A Rudy Interview
by bbfred on Jul 7, 2008 9:52 AM PDT
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It's in Spanish so I don't know if it has already been posted or if it's new. If someone would be so kind to interpret (Tigard schools expected we would be well served learning French). The link is from ESPN.
http://www.abc.es/20080707/deportes-baloncesto/volver-paso-atras_200807070257.html
According to the ESPN summary Rudy is talking about the option of going back to Europe if he doesn't adapt well to the NBA or if he doesn't get enough playing time. Hopefully he will do great and Blazer fans won't have anything to worry about.
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More or less:
“If I don´t feel good or I do not get minutes, maybe I´ll come back to Spain. For me it is not a step backwards.
I am not going to lose money, but I am going to earn less.
I will try to learn from him(Roy) in the trainings. He is the team´s franchise player and there will be necessary to wait for events. Jarret Jack has gone away to Indiana and he was playing 20 minutes per game. If I see that I do not have those minutes, I would think about the exit.
I thought a lot before I took this difficult decision.”
The rest is the journalist´s comments including that Sergio wants to be traded.
The Midnight Rambler
by amlmart1 on Jul 7, 2008 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"If I see that I do not have those minutes, I would think about the exit."
So is this an ultimatum(sp?) that if he doesn’t get 20 minutes per game he will leave?
I think after a year in the states it will be that much harder to go back, even if he isn’t COMPLETELY happy. Therefore, I think he’ll be a lifer in Portland.
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by Kelsoballa on Jul 7, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he doesn't get 20 minutes a night
I say Fire Nate!
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 7, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh sorry, should I have made that it's own diary?
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 7, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man!!!
We didn’t even get into the season and we’re already talking about firing nate! Awesome!!!
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Jul 7, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s so I can say “first” in all the “Fire Nate” diaries.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 7, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dang
I wish I’d thought of that!!!
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by ratbastird on Jul 7, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The quote:
"Si llegado el momento explica a ABC no me acostumbro, o no me dan minutos, puede ser que vuelva a España. Para mí no es un paso atrás".
More or less: ”...or if they don’t give me minutes, I can return to Spain, which isn’t a step backwards for me.”
I don’t quite get the first part.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jul 7, 2008 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First part: "If the moment has come, he explains to ABC (a newspaper with a website),
and I don´t get used (to American life, I think)...
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by amlmart1 on Jul 7, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he'll have any trouble...
getting 20 minutes per game.
Especially if he’s as good as advertised.
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jul 7, 2008 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
If he’s good, I think he’ll play. It’s that simple.
I don’ t like that it feels like he’s dictating to the blazers. It’s NEVER good when players do that, but we’ll see. We could just trade him if we needed to and should be able to get some good pieces.
I don’t know if he’ll get that this year, but I think next year it’s realistic and more minutes towards the end of the year.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Jul 7, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't read it as a demand for a fixed 20 minutes...
........... but rather “minutes”—meaning, a chance.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jul 7, 2008 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's also a crack in the article about American cuisine.
Typical European humour.
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by nightbluefruit on Jul 7, 2008 10:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it says: ...before he get used to the burguer country..."
The Midnight Rambler
by amlmart1 on Jul 7, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya se.
I’m just sick of the foreign stereotyping of my eating habits. Just because I eat hamburger meat for 20 of my 21 meals for the week doesn’t mean I’m a native of the “Burger Country.” I also drink 10-15 Slurpees a month. Does that make me mayor of Slurpee City? Probably not. Because if it did, I would be opening malls and passing cutting-edge Slurpee legislation (e.g. no more sugar-free slurpee flavours).
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by nightbluefruit on Jul 7, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like they should talk
I was really looking forward to getting some real authentic Mexican food from the motherland of Spain, to see what made Rudy and Sergio grow up so strong. Boy, color me disappointed. Lemme tell you, Mexican food SUCKED in Spain, like they had rarely even traditionally cooked or ate it! I abouts threw my gut up.
I ordered a steak fajita, and I got ground beef over a bed of pimentos(!) and stale flour tortillas. No cheese, no sour cream, not even a tomato. Onions were available, but for extra. These Spaniards were the sorriest bunch of Mexicans I ever did see!
Even if I wanted to eat McDonalds in Europe, I’m not one to wait in a half hour line for the most popular food in the city. Those McDonalds are PACKED!
Big Slurpee throws a lot of weight around Washington these days… I’d be careful about what legislation you propose passing. It’s not a threat, just a… suggestion.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 7, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mexican Food in Spain
LMMFAOOMMAFLLAOLA
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by iDea on Jul 7, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm just silly
But meat/cheese/tortilla/tomatoes should be the easiest thing to duplicate in the world, but it was AWFUL.
Somehow, even Mexican restaurants in America mess it up. It doesn’t even matter what you’re TRYING to make, if you got meat cheese tortillas and tomatoes it should be good by default.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 7, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGREED
It’s horrid. The worst food I’ve evern tried anywhere outside of Mexican food in France. Even the Mexican food was better in England and Germany. What’s the deal?
It’s not just that it’s ‘not really their tradition.’ It’s that they sell the stuff as mexican food. I ordered Nachos once and got French fries with tomato sauce. I just about puked
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by hobobob on Jul 7, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh...
that would be one way to get it wrong.
GROSS!!!
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Jul 7, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had "American Pizza"
In Singapore and it had corn and hamburger on the top.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 7, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Yeah
I should point out that I ordered it at Pizza Hut. Man I owe Timbo some money.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 7, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was considering telling him that you would pay the tab I owe him.
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by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You, know, for all those posts of mine to which I keep replying.
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I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.
by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that would be mean.
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I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.
by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Darkstar owes me more!!!
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jul 7, 2008 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno,
I kinda like the tomato-type sauce Heinz puts out on my fries.
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I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.
by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't know what to say
how could they get it wrong???
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
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by ratbastird on Jul 7, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how
But they find a way. I think it’s actually harder to mess up even somewhat BAD Mexican food than it is to do it decently, so it’s pretty impressive how badly most Euro Mexican joints mess up Mexican food.
I could work my entire life as a chef trying to mess up Mexican food and serve it in a restaurant that specializes in non-Mexican food-Mexican food, and never approach how badly the Mexican food is over there. They truly are special in their ineptness.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 7, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just brought back a Euro memory
I once visited a French McDonalds just for the novelty of ordering a Mac LeMer with a Heineken. You’re right, it was absolutely packed in there— the Arnold Schwartzenegger film festival was just across the street, and Conan the Barbarian had just let out.
by Corvid on Jul 7, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
it must have been different during the cold war. Wish I could have seen that. Then maybe I could have been a spy in a cool country.
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by hobobob on Jul 7, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean to say I was a spy, but that I would try to be
if the cold war were still freezing.
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by hobobob on Jul 7, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you're bored
You could always start-up a new war. I hear now is a good time for that.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Jul 7, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a few going on now
they’re just in such unappealing locations. I trust China to get things moving within a few decades. I might be a little old and not Chinese speaking, but hey, I can speak Russian and they have that 3,000 mile border. I see my spy future as bright.
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by hobobob on Jul 7, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got a McDonalds placemat menu in Arabic
From a trip to Casablanca, and I liked it so much I framed it. It’s a commentary on something or other (I’ll leave that to the historians to decide).
I DID LIKE ONE THING most Euro McDonalds had… maybe it was just in Eastern Europe? It was a pork burger sandwich, and I liked it because I like ground pork sandwiches. A friend in Latvia translated it as the “Country Mac” or “Farmers Mac”, and I forget what the name of it was that she translated from.
In Morocco I stayed mostly in the country side in smallish towns without American restaurants, and Casablanca had the most American restaurants that I had seen in the country: Pizza hut, Burger King, McDonalds, etc. I checked the prices at Pizza Hut because it was next to the McDonalds, and a normal cheese pizza was MORE expensive than all of my hotel rooms were on the rest of my Moroccan trip.
A room in most small towns was like 5 bucks (not a nice room of course), and the pizza was 10 or so.
No matter where I went in Europe though, McDonalds was the place to be. A young dude really, really helped me out of a pinch in eastern Europe, and I offered to buy him a meal to thank him, and we met up the next day to eat. I offered to take him ANYWHERE he wanted to go, and all he wanted was free McDonalds. I felt bad taking him there, but he seriously only wanted that—and price wise (compared to other local restaurants), I guess it was an expensive meal.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 7, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were you surfing over there
IT”S SOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD.
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by hobobob on Jul 7, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky
Every McDonalds that I went to in Russia (3 of them) had the standard menu. So no Farmers Mac in that part of Eastern Europe. But all of those McDonalds were packed full of the twenty-something offspring of Mafia types despite the fact that the ice cream machines kept on breaking.
by tingeyga on Jul 7, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once in London...
The faux-mexican place gave me “tortilla chips” that were really multi-grain crackers. The “salsa” was closer to spicy marinara, and the meat had been boiled (of course) and not in the tasty mexican way, but in the nasty, flavorless way.
On top of all that, they had no ranch dressing that I could find in the whole country! At least the beer was good.
P.S. Black pudding is NOT a dark chocolate dessert.
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by HurraKane212 on Jul 7, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
what’s up with all those smokers over there stereotyping us???
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Jul 7, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Just look at their official logo:
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jul 7, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Is that Wolverine?
Koponen - PG of the future. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Jul 7, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No sugar-free slurpees? You would discriminate against diabetics?
That’s a pretty large demographic.
If I were you, I’d lay off the blue fruit, buddy.
Koponen - PG of the future. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Jul 7, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually live with a diabetic
Sugar-free foodstuffs (with the exception of diet soda) actually have more carbohydrates than the regular foodstuffs they intend to replicate. Or, as is often the case, the subtracted sugar is replaced with lipids—arguably more dangerous to diabetics in the long run than short-term high blood sugar.
:-P
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by nightbluefruit on Jul 7, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cue in Rant against Spain
Jeremy Clarkson (whose British) has a few words for Spain
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jul 7, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Is anyone else unsettled by Rudy’s attitude? Already demanding Jack’s minutes, asking the Blazers not to select Brandon Rush, etc. I know he gave up a lot (still has that star mindset) and he’s probably nervous about it right now, but I hope it doesn’t develop into “I must be starting” down the road.
by amitp06 on Jul 7, 2008 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He doesn´t talk about start, for sure.
He knows and talks about Roy as the starter. His only concern is minutes.
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by amlmart1 on Jul 7, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and its a valid concern
He is leaving tens of millions of dollars on the table by coming over. The fact he is doing that should be enough to realize that he is the man. I think its totally reasonable for him to acknowledge that if things dont work out here, he will go home where things did work out for him. I am waiting to judge Rudy’s attitude once he gets to the states and starts interacting with the coaches and players. He is not going to be a star here like he was in Europe, but I think he knows that and is playing his cards accordingly. Asking for 20mpg is not that big of a deal if you just left millions on the table…
You da man amlmart1!!!!!!
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jul 7, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will have some fun from october, myemic. I´m enjoying this wait.
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by amlmart1 on Jul 7, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad he's got that confidence
He’s gonna be a baller in this league….....and I’m glad he’ll be doing his thing for Portland.
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by iDea on Jul 7, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Rudy is doing anything wrong.
I don’t see it as an ultimatum, “give me minutes or I leave,” just that he’s being open and honest about what he would do in certain situations. He wants to play basketball, and if he doesn’t get to play here, he will go play somewhere else. Sounds pretty reasonable.
by pualo on Jul 7, 2008 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, and he's probaby rationalizing the decision to make himself feel a little better and
safer.
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by hobobob on Jul 7, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team is stacked...
...it is completely natural to worry about minutes. He just gave up ~$4 million a year, is moving to a new country to pursue a dream, and probably has a firsthand account as what happened to Sergio. He will want some guarantees. Realistically, it may be a mixed blessing that Jones opted out, but because Trout is moving to the 3, we are still pretty tight in terms of minutes.
by khryse22 on Jul 7, 2008 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also...
....I would not be surprised to see Roy’s minutes go down a bit this year. Just because of wear and tear,
by khryse22 on Jul 7, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the rub...
.............................. the vid I’ve seen of St. Rudolfo indicates that he is a true 2. Roy is a natural 2 that can fake it at the 1 or 3.
Could be an issue.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jul 7, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jermaine O'Neal and Drazen Petrovic both had similar complaints...
...back in the day.
At the time, it was hard to argue with their lack of playing time, given the rosters we had. The big difference, however, is Rudy’s experience. He’s not a high-schooler who needs to learn fundamentals. He’s an established Euro player who just needs to adjust to the NBA game.
In Rudy’s case, I don’t see this being as much of a problem, since our backcourt as currently constructed seems shallow enough to get him his 20 minutes a game if he’s good enough to justify playing them.
And that’s just THIS season. Assuming he shows even a fraction of the skill he’s being hyped about, then 20 minutes a game will be more than adequate to secure a much larger role in the rotation during the coming season.
I don’t see any problem with his comments, and I think both KP and Nate are on the same page in regards to giving him his shot.
Wherever you go, there you are.
by Majikj0n on Jul 7, 2008 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a Problem
I’m not bothered by Rudy’s attitude at all. He had a $20 million net Euro 5 year contract, which is $31 million Net US, on the table that he walked away from for relative peanuts. He didn’t come over here to collect splinters on the bench, after all. He’s simply being honest. After all, if he can’t, as he gets used to the NBA, play at least 20 minutes a game, then he’s not particularly valuable to us either. The bottom line is that Mac likes a three guard rotation, and Rudy, along with Bayless, is pencilled in downstream as that third guard. That 96 minutes would divide up basically 36 – 38 for Roy, and 26 – 30 each for Bayless and Rudy – with a few minutes for number 4. If he doesn’t measure up, we’d trade him anyhow in order to get someone that can play those 26 – 30 minutes. That’s the way the NBA is. It’s not a charity, and Rudy is being realistic. Blake, in turn, whose contract is up next year, is the odd man out if Rudy/Bayless show they can perform. We might keep him as a 4th, but at $5+ million a year, we also may not do that. After all, the 4th guard is a 6-10 minute a game player, and $5 million is a lot to pay for that.
by Eben Calder on Jul 7, 2008 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rudy is an authentic Euro superstar...
......................... Sergio is a highly touted kid from Spain.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jul 7, 2008 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"was"
Sergio was a highly touted kid from Spain. Now he’s a flop.
Nature bats last.
by fisheyes on Jul 7, 2008 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SergioFTW, where have you gone?
"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!
by rockingharder on Jul 7, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since SergioFTW doesn't seem to be coming around to support his boy
I will do what he would have:
http://www.freesergio.com/
by tingeyga on Jul 7, 2008 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh rudy
demanding 20 minutes based on what? it is going to take more than game minutes for him to adjust to a whole new ball game.
just be happy you got the invite, rook.
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 7, 2008 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the fact that Pritchard his staff and the owner of the team
did everything they could to lure him over. That sort of recruitment leads a person to think he’s special. This is something that likely does not escape KPs attention, so it’s also unlikely he’d do anything like that recruitment without having a VERY HIGH opinion of his abilities and the likelihood of him matching up.
Based on what? I guess you’d have to say based on KPs opinion and how it changed Rudy’s value of himself. I’m not sure any of us are in a better position or have a better ability to judge Rudy’s potential effectiveness. So, while we’re valuing him on all his Euro achievements and his Youtube highlights, KP got a little more involved than us.
But, I guess we could take that brazen attitude and run with it. Oden, good luck man and I hope you don’t plan on playing much this season because we don’t have anything to justify giving you minutes. I’m not trying to be mean or anything, just saying it doesn’t sound right to dismiss a player without cause.
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by hobobob on Jul 7, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PLUS
Rudy isn’t your typical Euro prospect, who’s averaging 4pts 2rbs and a steal in 12 minutes off the bench, but possesses unbelievable upside and athleticism. Rudy won the MVP trophy of 3 different Euro tourneys THIS SEASON. He’s a baller who will learn the game and be great,
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by iDea on Jul 7, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well guy,
KP does have a high opinion of rudy, and he did a lot to get him to come over here, and rudy has trhe right to think that he is somewhat special because of all these things, but that does not give him the right to demand minutes. He can think to himself that he should be getting decent minutes over here, but he does not need to say it publicly.
And try not to compare rudy’s situation with oden’s situation. Rudy is coming into a team that has plenty of guards that dont play the point. Oden is coming into a team that doesnt have much of what he brings. Also oden is not demanding publicly that he should have lots of minutes. Also Oden was the #1 overall pick. Also Oden isnt threatening to go to spain if he doesnt get what he wants. Also Oden didnt tell the blazers who they should or shouldnt draft.
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 7, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like we interpret Rudy's comments differently
and have different expectations of what an athlete my say in response to a question. Rudy was asked about a possible return to Spain and under what conditions that might happen. He could have said only if the earth’s rotation reverses itself. It doesn’t bother me that he aspires to play at least 20 minutes per game, and it bothers me less that he said so. He didn’t say the Blazers had to play him that much or even put a timeline on it. He never said he needs to play those minutes as a rookie (amlmart that’s right right?) from what I can tell. It’s that he wants to play 20 per at some point and if not, he’ll consider his stint unsuccessful and go home. How’s that a bad thing?
If you prefer an athlete just give us the “both teams played hard” routine, then this sort of reaction is totally in line. If you want a player to give you a little perspective, to open up and be honest about his ambitions, goals and decisions, then maybe we ought to lighten up a little ourselves.
You’re somewhat right about Oden being a completely different story, and you’re reasons showed that you’re thinking about these things. What’s the deal, then, with you short-changing Rudy, not giving him any credit or even the least benefit of the doubt? You give it to Oden, sure, and maybe with good reason. But, the fact is that Rudy’s actually done more than Oden at this point. He’s accomplished much more as a pro than Oden, and he would be paid more than Oden if he chose not to come over. Even though Oden’s a completely different story, they’re still comparable. Their situations are similar and different. They are comparable in a number of ways, so it is appropriate at times to compare them.
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by hobobob on Jul 7, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at times yes
it is appropriate, but that doesnt mean this time. Oden has never muttered a single word of anything resembling demand. He is grateful for what the blazers have done for him and he is sincerely apologetic for getting injured (although apologies not required).
Rudy has spun his situation so that he feels like the blazers owe him something (playing time) for taking less money. He says he isn’t losing money, just making less, but I see right through his BS. He is too cocky for a scrawny 19 year-old spaniard, who hasnt played a single minute in this league.
I am starting to hope that rudy gets punished hard in his first nba games, ends up a bust and goes back to spain after one season. He says its a dream to play in the NBA and that is why he passed up a bigger contract, but his words about playing time make it seem like he is here for the money. If he were truly here for the love of the game his attitude would be to work hard and earn those 20+ minutes, because they are certainly there for the taking.
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 7, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
23* year-old
was thinking about oden’s age for some reason…
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 7, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh the money
The money was back in Spain dude. If Rudy is here for the money he made a poor choice.
by Replacement Level Poster on Jul 7, 2008 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Knight lives in Oregon...
.............................. and Sergio is gonna make some major bank from that particular corporation. The NBA rookie rip-off may dink him some bucks, but he’s young and a hottie and if he can play, he’ll be OK.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jul 7, 2008 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much do you think he will make
from Nike if he is a 20 mpg player?
by Replacement Level Poster on Jul 7, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he is big in Spain...
so as just an off the cuff estimate…more than either of us will make in a lifetime.
(that is just a guess though, seeing as I have no clue how much you make)
by tingeyga on Jul 7, 2008 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You obviously don't know
about my shoe deal ;)
You know the one were I pay them to wear shoes.
by Replacement Level Poster on Jul 8, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops. Did you mean Rudy?
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on Jul 7, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's twice I've done that...
..................................I’m absolutely switching over to El Swisho and El Clanko, starting NOW.
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jul 9, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey genius,
I hope you weren’t one of those people hyping up Rudy this entire year, because if you were, then you are nothing but a hypocrite. Regardless, you seem to be forgetting the fact that RUDY ISN’ T A TYPICAL NBA ROOKIE! NBA ROOKIES OUT OF COLLEGE AREN’T FACED WITH THE CHOICE OF GIVING UP MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ORDER TO PLAY IN THE NBA! Rudy is basically saying, show me the minutes, or show me the door, (and the money). You ought to get off your high horse and thank your lucky stars that Rudy is the kind of guy who’s willing to give up guaranteed bigtime bucks in order to realize his dream, and that this kind of a talent is coming to play for the blazers. Do you think Gilbert types would ever do what Rudy did? And you deign to call him cocky when he went COMPLETELY against the grain of a typical sports star? Think about all the angles before you speak.
by premthegrem on Jul 8, 2008 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So now he's here for the money?
Get f’n real. He hasn’t demanded anything. Wishing failure upon him? Weak….
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jul 7, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy never demanded anything......guy.
He simply responded to the notion with his view of things. He never demanded he be played 20 minutes, or else.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jul 7, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey big guy
he simply responded to the notion with his view of things, and his views were if he doesnt get 20+ minutes, hes going back to spain. If that is not a demand, then I dont know what is..
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 7, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
demand/threat
could be considered either. both equally ridiculous things for a rook to do
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 7, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After his contract is up...
...it is well within Rudy’s rights to do whatever the hell he wants to do, and I don’t see any reason we should begrudge him that right.
ALL HE IS SAYING, if he doesn’t get to play very much or if he isn’t very good, he’ll end up going back to Spain someday and make more money there (and get to play more). What’s wrong with that? That is true for 100.000% of NBA players in the league—if they don’t get to play much or aren’t very good, they’ll go where they can play or can make more money. This is doubly true for a Euro with an established, and successful, foreign career.
He isn’t dictating that he NEEDS those minutes. He seems to realize he’ll need to earn them and learn the NBA game. But realistically, he’s saying that if he isn’t very good, he goes back to Spain. That earns a big DUH to anyone paying attention.
While he’s locked into the 1st round rookie scale, he ain’t going nowhere, 20 mpg or not.
And the fact remains, if he sucks he won’t play that much and if he’s good he’ll play a lot. Whatever Rudy says doesn’t affect that, and he hasn’t said anything about that anyways. I doubt 20 mins will be enough for a good player like Rudy, in the long run, anywhos.
Why are you so aggressive, here and elsewhere?
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 7, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im baffled by how
anyone who reads the opening post here can come away with anything but the fact that rudy is threatening to leave protland if he doesnt get the minutes. For the last time, IT IS OK FOR A PLAYER TO THINK THAT HE SHOULD GET GOOD MINUTES BUT IT IS NOT OK FOR A PLAYER TO SAY PUBLICLY THAT HE WILL LEAVE TOWN IF HE DOESNT GET THE MINUTES HE WANTS
That is such a selfish thing to do. It is true that 100% will likely go play in another country if they dont make it here, but I dont hear them saying “im out of this place if I dont get what i want”...cocky little punk
trade rudy for rush, right now
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 7, 2008 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck, he's holding the Blazers hostage
until his demands are met. But KP’ll never negotiate with a terrorist like Rudy.
"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"
These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.
by CatMan2 on Jul 7, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
When you write words in the form of a sentence, it makes me laugh. I am down, lets trade Rudy for Rush right this second. Hell will be frozen over before I let some Spanish punk have a PlanB just in case PlanA doesn’t work out. I mean, who in the heyo does he think he is??? Obviously turning down 30 million net and leaving his home country where he is beloved by all, was all just part of his sinister plan to manipulate p-town into playing him 20+ minutes per game. Its evil, and purely genius. Darius Miles looks like a choir boy next this curly haired Spaniard….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jul 7, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good grief.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on Jul 7, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a rookie on this site posting ridiculus comments.
By your definition of Rudy, that makes you a cocky little punk as well.
Koponen - PG of the future. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Jul 8, 2008 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
zing
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on Jul 8, 2008 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAAAAAAAAhahahaha
thats sooo true. my favorit part was when he said, and I paraphrase” i kant under stand why you guys dont think just like me, you so stupid”. it looks like pippin might be our own personal jailblazer
"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown
"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
nightbluefruit
by ptwnblzr on Jul 8, 2008 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wants a legitimate chance...
.................. and says that if he doesn’t get it, he can always go back.
Not an ultimatum.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jul 7, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, just be happy he walked away from 31 million to "adjust".
You’re a genius.
Koponen - PG of the future. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Jul 7, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's give him what he wants
I want to see Nate play him 48 minutes a game. Over/under on Rudy’s body snapping in half is 10 games.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Jul 7, 2008 1:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
All the way in half? Or just buckling?
If it’s just a buckle, I’ll take the under. If it’s a clean snap with full severation, I’ll take the over. How much can you cover?
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Jul 7, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking buckle...
I find this talk about Rudy demanding, threatening 20 minutes absurd. In fact, it would serve both the Blazers and Rudy well if Rudy left the Blazers this year assuming the he plays same amount as Sergio. It just means Rudy sucked just as bad as Sergio and him leaving would create more cap space.
Rudy left millions of dollars to play in PDX, the last thing I would call him is selfish. The guy is a competitor and has confidence in his abilities, this is why he’s in the NBA.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Jul 7, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spanish arrogance
Between the Euro 08 championship, Alejandro Valverde in the maillot jaune, and Nadal’s Wimbledon championship, these Spaniards are getting mighty uppity. I expect it was just a lack of oxygen from all the red and yellow flag waving that’s been going on for the last week in Spain that got to Rudy’s head a little bit. They’ll all come back to the earth sooner or later….
< /war >
by Diesel10 on Jul 7, 2008 5:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
or..
they’ll go back to spain after a year of physical nba play. good riddance rudy
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 7, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
-100
your negativity is annoying
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!
by LaMarvelous on Jul 7, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess this is where I'm supposed to say rubber & glue...
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!
by LaMarvelous on Jul 7, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay you two, let's play nice
"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!
by rockingharder on Jul 7, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
PAE inspires the kind of profanity that is frowned upon in this forum.
by premthegrem on Jul 8, 2008 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
And I guess my comment was a little condescending. But the question remains: Do we allow ourselves to be baited by PAE’s antics, or do we act like the bigger man/woman and leave him alone?
I would suggest we do the latter and trust Dave to sort things out.
"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!
by rockingharder on Jul 8, 2008 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
From a distance we are instruments
marching in a common band.
Playing songs of hope, playing songs of peace.
They’re the songs of every man.
Dave is watching us. Dave is watching us.
Dave is watching us from a distance.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 8, 2008 4:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And to think Tom in Hawaii, of all people...
.............................. missed his joke opportunity on rockingharder being a “man/woman.”
Tsk, tsk—you’re losing it, Thomas!
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jul 9, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awe Shucks
I’m trying to steer as clear as I can from PAE. It just feels like a volcano that is about to erupt. I would love to instigate it, but I’m trying to cut back on my instigating. I just hope I don’t miss the eruption.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well,
we’ll certainly find out whether Rudy has the mettle to go against the best of the best, as he’s likely to get the unenviable draw of playing against K*be when Team USA comes knocking on Spain’s door. So hold your tongue for at least a month, PAE, and then you’ll find out whether Rudy can withstand “physical nba play”. Good grief, you don’t see guys like Calderon, Gasol, Scola, Nowitzki, Ginobili, etc etc just falling off the NBA map do you?
by premthegrem on Jul 8, 2008 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
take the only 5 successful euro’s to make a point that rudy will be a star. What about the other 1300 europeans that were a bust?
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 8, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the comparison's sake
Those others (Darko, Skiti, Vasquez) never did what Rudy did over in Europe, and were drafted based on a blind hope they’d realize their potential. They were either workout warriors (Skita), had great size and moved well (Darko), or had nice skill but weren’t that great even over in Europe (Vasquez). There’s a lot of dumb reasons so many Euros have been drafted high, and then failed…
But they were different from Rudy, because Rudy has become perhaps the best player in Europe at a very young age and he has a good mix of BBIQ, passing, and athletic scoring (along with being a great shooter). It’s just different.
Comparing Rudy to a Skita or Korolev is like comparing ODEN to Kwame or Kandi-Man. They’re just different in every way.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 8, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Almost all (likely all, but I don’t want to do the research to back it up) of the foreign players who have been successful in the NBA were productive players either on their club team and/or their national team before coming over. The busts like Darko were drafted solely on potential. Perhaps the NBA scouts should have taken the hint that since their club teams weren’t giving Darko much run that he wasn’t all that great.
by tingeyga on Jul 8, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
but comparing rudy to manu is like comparing oden to bill russell.
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 8, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of people do both of those things
I can’t find you a link but you know it’s true. Look within your heart, and you will see the truth and the love inside.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 8, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plenty of people are wrong then
neither is neither
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 8, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or should that be "neither is either"?
Or “either is neither”?
Vote now.
For what it’s worth, I agree with the son of a Took that there’s nothing guaranteed about either El Swisho or Oden. But I think we can all agree that we’ll find out soon enough and it’s not a bad roll of the dice on either.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jul 9, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
i spent about a minute and a half trying to decide which combination of ‘either’ and ‘neither’ I was going to use
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 9, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrumph!
You take an intelligently-crafted, finely snarky post (at least, I think so) and turn it into one more opportunity to be a Negative Nancy. I say Harrumph! to you, too! No fun for the internets! The tubes must be sterilized! Only Debbie Downers need surf here.
< /war >
by Diesel10 on Jul 7, 2008 6:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Moi, negatif?
But perhaps you are not directing your comments to me.
I do like your sig, BTW.
"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"
These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.
by CatMan2 on Jul 7, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
No, meant as a reply to Mr. Can’tHackItAsPippen, who seems to like crying in everyone’s pie.
And I like the sig, too, but can’t take credit. I saw it on a shirt Darcy Burner (running for US House of Rep in WA-08) was wearing after her house burned down last week. Pretty awesome, if you’re a progressive nerd.
< /war >
by Diesel10 on Jul 7, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops again
I meant, the shirt and sig line are awesome. No matter what, but especially if you’re a progressive nerd, it is decidedly not awesome that Darcy Burner’s house burned down. Luckily, people have impressively donated to help her out (check it out here).
< /war >
by Diesel10 on Jul 7, 2008 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
harrumph???
i dont speak spanish
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 8, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
English is enough...even too much.
The Midnight Rambler
by amlmart1 on Jul 8, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Somehow the numbers are being lost here
There are 96 minutes of normal guard play (and more if some small lineups are used). Roy get 33-36 of them. That leaves 60 minutes for Blake, Rudy and Bayless or 20 minutes each. The guy that is frozen out is Sergio unless Blake is traded. Sergio might not even get to practice with the White team. Seriously though – is 20 minutes for Rudy a reasonable goal? I say absolutely. I hope he really wants 40. No NBA player wants to rest on the bench (at least they won’t be an NBA player at the end of his contract). I want them all to compete for every minute, iron sharpening iron and making each other better.
KP says Rudy will play. KP owns this league. David Stern is just keeping the chair warm. KP says. KP gets. Rudy will play. End of story.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jul 7, 2008 10:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hell yeah
we want every player competing for every minute they can get their hands on. But what we dont want is every player threatening to leave the team if they dont get their minutes.
here is my interpretation of the interpretation of rudys interview: “if i am not playing 20 minutes, ill probably go back to spain”
Here is what that would sound like coming from steve blake: “if i dont get 20 minutes, I want to be traded”
every time we here a player demanding a trade they are pinned as a bad guy. For good reason.
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 8, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again: HE DID NOT ISSUE AN ULTIMATUM FOR 20 MINUTES!!!
He said, in today’s American English: “If the time comes and I haven’t adapted, or if they aren’t gonna give me minutes, I can always return to Spain. That’s not a step backwards as far as I’m concerned.”
Get the idea of a “play me 20 minutes or else” ultimatum out of your head—that is NOT what El Swisho said.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jul 9, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if every player got the minutes they wanted
nba games would have to be 70 minutes long.
what makes rudy so special. hes a rook
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 8, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, the rook is the most powerful piece after the queen
"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"
These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.
by CatMan2 on Jul 8, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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