Miles and the Cap: Part 2
A lot of people wrote me over the weekend regarding the reported Darius Miles tryout in
Obviously the first question to be addressed in this scenario is Darius’ fitness. If he can come back near pre-injury form it’s guaranteed somebody, somewhere is going to give him a shot. His retirement was for legitimate, confirmed medical reasons, however. That, combined with what we’ve heard about Darius’ work ethic from various teams he played for in his healthier days, makes me think a full recovery is about as likely as you finding Ben and me pole-dancing down at Vegas Summer League while Greg Oden and Von Wafer stuff 20’s down our G-strings. Nice thought…dreamy in certain circles…not gonna happen.
Since we mentioned full recovery we should also consider the opposite. If Miles can’t suit up--meaning he can’t run and jump and shoot at an NBA level--he can’t be signed. He has to play in order to make a difference on the court or on
This still leaves open the possibility of a middle ground, which people seem to fear: Miles being able to play just enough to see court time and some other GM signing him in order to bring his salary back on our books and eat away at cap space. It’s an interesting scenario, but in my opinion fairly far fetched for any number of reasons.
--The GM may sign players but the owner still signs the checks. The minimum salary for a player of Miles’ experience is just over a million bucks. Once upon a time there might have been an option to sign him to a couple of 10-day contracts and squeeze ten games out of him but that option left with Miles’ recent 10-game suspension for drug policy violations. The first ten games Darius is back will be spent at home serving the suspension. Then he has to play ten more to affect
--The GM doesn’t decide who plays either. A coach’s agenda is to win and keep his team in line, not mess around with somebody else’s cap space. In fact I guarantee you no coach in the league is thinking about his own cap space when the game is going on. You’re going to go tell your coach to play the Limping Lardbucket--or even take him off of the inactive list--when he’s had his 10th-14th guys on his team busting their rears for a scrap of playing time? What happens when the opposition dunks on Darius after the ball gets turned over in that last, token ten seconds you put him in? People don’t generally screw with games that way.
--What tangible benefit would this strategy get you? You’ve paid the million bucks, you’ve messed around with your team…for what?
--Hey, Big Chief Screws-With-Cap...what happens if the Blazers take a very likely route and trade Raef LaFrentz's expiring contract for a major player before the trade deadline this year instead of waiting to turn it into cap space next summer? Then they've made their major move without cap considerations coming into play at all and can still re-sign any and all guys they choose. At that point your benefit for signing Darius is zeeeero. Wah-wah-waaaaaaaah.
--As soon as the charade began it would make news in
--Last but not least, how often have you heard of this happening? How often does a guy come back from medical retirement at all, let alone in a semi-scandalous way? Some moves are unprecedented because nobody’s been enough of a visionary genius to see the possibilities before. Other times things just…don’t…work that way. This doesn’t seem like a visionary genius moment.
Could this middle-ground scenario happen? Anything could, I suppose. But I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it. It would take a special brand of putz--a special cadre of putzes really, when you count owners, coaches, and staff--to make a move with this combination of ineffectiveness and publicity. I doubt you’ll see people lining up to take the shot.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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I think there are as much possibilities for Darius come back
as there are for an Insurance Company signing a knee-risk insurance contract.
The Midnight Rambler
by amlmart1 on
Jul 7, 2008 4:48 AM PDT
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The way I could see it happening
So here is the way I could see it happening. The season is going on, a team in our division who is building for the future(think OKC) has performed badly and is out of the playoffs with ~25 games left. They know at this point if we are trading RLEC or not. If we aren’t then they could sign Miles for the vet minimum and it would be just the pro-rated for the remainder of the season. Instead of a million you are talking 300k or so. Let him sit his suspension and then play him a minute a game. That seems more likely to me.
The other thing never really mentioned in these conversations is why Miles suspension was 10 games. 10 games is for taking performance enhancing drugs or after a 5 game suspension for non-performance enhancing drugs. What do you think the possibility is that he was taking HGH to help him recover from his injury? Does the NBA have a test for HGH?
by danielfarrell on
Jul 7, 2008 5:25 AM PDT
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Darius news makes me yawn
Darius will never play NBA ball again, bank it.
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by leeroyjenkins on
Jul 7, 2008 6:54 AM PDT
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The question remains
Why was Boston checking Darius out? Is it like those teams last year that decided to give Houston a look on the wildly improbably chance that he could still play?
by Spencer on
Jul 7, 2008 7:46 AM PDT
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Check out the article itself.
I don’t get the impression Boston is salivating over Darius.
He used to be a decent player, why wouldn’t you bring him in for a look? It’s free…
See 24thewho’s post below me for my take on it. Darius has little to nothing to offer any NBA team.
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by leeroyjenkins on
Jul 7, 2008 8:25 AM PDT
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Just what every championship team needs!
A dope smoking, coach killing, over weight under achiever…...Just what the doctor ( or Doc Rivers ) in this case ordered. Why not Shaun Kemp? What’s Roy Tarpley doing these days?
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on
Jul 7, 2008 8:06 AM PDT
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"dreamy in certain circles"
i really hope not!
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by Ben. on
Jul 7, 2008 9:50 AM PDT
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I like
How implies that you both have G-strings. That’s hot. I might have to start calling you Giambi.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on
Jul 7, 2008 10:13 AM PDT
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Nice link job
Too scared to click it though
How do I set my laser printer to stun?
by prezofdeath on
Jul 7, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
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Isn't there another middle scenario?
I don’t think anyone will sign Miles just to screw with us. But maybe someone will sign him as a 12th man to fill in for an injury. Miles would not have to be back to full form, he just might be the best guy they can find at his position who is available for a small salary at the time they need him. Miles could become someone’s Von Wafer, and might find his way into 10 games over the course of a season.
by pualo on
Jul 7, 2008 10:29 AM PDT
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I doubt it
Miles doesn’t have the will to make it happen, plus his injury is very very serious. Why sign him when there are a hundred guys in the D-league that could outplay him and have better athleticism (than the today Darius)? He just won’t be valuable.
by jamon51 on
Jul 7, 2008 10:58 AM PDT
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Yeah.
And also those Von Wafer, 13th-man types usually have to work in practice twice as hard as the regulars… because their primary value lies in being a warm body to go against in scrimmages and such.
Miles will have one look at being that guy and smoke another bowl while walking off into the sunset (where there’s a strip-club).
by lyleleander on
Jul 7, 2008 12:53 PM PDT
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The Suspension is the Killer
I don’t doubt that a team would sign Darius for all the same reasons that we originally signed him. He is a highly skilled player who when motivated can make a difference to a team. The big thing is when is he motivated. The fact that he will have to serve a 10 game suspension kills it for any team. Only a player who you know will bring it everyday would a team be willing to sit through the suspension for.
by NoStache on
Jul 7, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
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according to Fannation.com, he wont count against cap
According to the Boston Globe, Darius Miles recently worked out for the World Champion Boston Celtics and had an “impressive” showing. From the story: “An NBA source said the Celtics surprisingly worked out Blazers free agent small forward Darius Miles yesterday and he had an impressive workout. Miles missed last season while recovering from knee surgery.” This has well-chronicled implications on the Blazers: if Miles returns to the NBA and plays in 10 games in a season, during either of the next two seasons, his salary will count against the Blazers’ salary cap. The team is responsible for paying the remaining $27.25 million of his Blazers’ contract, but it does not count against the team’s cap because his knee injury was labeled career ending.
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by CroRupt on
Jul 7, 2008 7:41 PM PDT
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Badly worded....
What this says is that his current salary, which the Blazers still owe, doesn’t count against the cap because of his career ending injury. If he plays in 10 games in either of the next two seasons, that deal is off and his salary will count against the cap.
Whoever wrote that should have his writer’s license revoked.
by raoulduke on
Jul 7, 2008 8:29 PM PDT
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Are you advocating certification of writers?
(license’s if you will)
"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."
by 92wastheyear on
Jul 8, 2008 9:37 AM PDT
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I pressed the button
it is broken…I think
"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."
by 92wastheyear on
Jul 8, 2008 10:43 AM PDT
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Here, here...
Just say no to paranoia.
No GM is going to waste his time and his owners money trying to screw with the blazers cap space. It just isn’t good business. You pretty much would be cutting yourself off from ever doing business with anyone associated with the Blazers ever again. That might really come back to bite you at some point. Guys do move around the league quite a bit and in five years you could be on 5 teams s#%^ list.
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by tssbro on
Jul 7, 2008 11:02 PM PDT
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Yeah
But if he can play, then he’s a steal for any GM that wants to add him to the roster for cheap.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on
Jul 8, 2008 3:54 AM PDT
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Big if
If he can really play then all bets are off
"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."
by 92wastheyear on
Jul 8, 2008 9:38 AM PDT
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I can deal with that possibilty being out there
I just don’t think that other teams are going to choose to go after him just to screw Portland. If they put him on the roster, it will be because they think he can contribute in some way by actually being on the court. Screwing Portland could be a secondary benefit in their minds but I think we give ourselves way to much credit if we think that screwing us is in the forefront of some GM’s mind.
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by tssbro on
Jul 8, 2008 6:36 PM PDT
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What's the deal with the Blazers leaking the suspension?
Probably no one will read this, but Henry Abbott raises some interesting questions:
http://myespn.go.com/nba/truehoop
What is the deal that the Blazers have with the media to leak information that makes them (Blazers) look good and anyone who has crossed their path look bad?
I’m not wild about Darius, but he’s just another basketball mercenary that should be able to pursue his basketball goals (whether that is money, the NBA lifestyle, being on a winning team, being in the spotlight, or just having fun playing BB) without having your employer thwart your efforts by using the local media to assasinate your character.
I thought Canzano’s “nudie bar expose’” a few months ago was an extreme cheap shot, but the Quick report seems all the more suspicious of a Blazer plant.
It seems to me that the Blazers simply want to get rid of Miles the cheapest way possible. I don’t know how objective the supposedly objective, neutral doctor that declared Darius finished actually is/was, but it certainly appears to be in the Blazers’ best financial interests if indeed Darius is unable to play.
But, what does a guy like Darius have besides basketball? He once had incredible (if underutilized) talent so why wouldn’t he see if the “objective” doctor is wrong and he might be able to play? It’s not to screw the Blazers over, but to enjoy what the NBA offers—again whether that is an incredible amount of money, the NBA lifestyle (whether that includes fathering children coast-to-coast, nudie bars, general partying, or whatever), playing a game with the best fellow athletes in the world, being on a winning team, or just having fun.
Management treats players like fungible goods that can be discarded whenever they feel like it. There is no loyalty to the players, and the players are going to get the best deal they can. Seems to me that both deserve a level playing field and management should not be able to tilt the playing field by using the media against the player.
by vcubed on
Jul 9, 2008 3:49 PM PDT
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