Jerryd Bayless, Opening Night Starter? (Poll included)
This may have been covered before, but I figured I'd ask all you other BE'ers out there what you thought about the short and long-term prospects of Jerryd Bayless starting for us!
Bayless is more of a combo guard than a traditional point guard. He's undersized to guard the SG, but he creates his own shot very well off the dribble, and gets to the free throw line very well (7 FT attempts per game his only year at Arizona). The problem with that is both he and Brandon Roy are at their best with the ball in their hands.
On the flip side, he would be able to guard opposing teams' point guards, which allows Brandon to not have to expend more energy guarding a quick PG (ie Mr. Longoria, CP3). He also has the ability to play passing lanes and gamble more since we'll have the Big Man back next year to guard the basket. He's also a good three-point shooter (just about 40 percent last year for UA), which would be able to stretch the defense and make teams pay for doubling Aldridge, Oden or Roy.
So what I'm asking is, when (if ever) do you see Jerryd Bayless starting for our beloved TrailBlazers?
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There have been reports...
that Bayless actually plays better when he is away from the ball. I know he was given the ball at Arizona, but I think they had an injuried PG. I think he was originally supposed to play the “off guard” position, but was forced into the PG role because of the injury. Please, anyone out there, confirm this or set me straight.
This is one reason that I can’t wait for summer league. I’m sure that we’ll know his role but how he is used in Vegas.
Oh, about the poll
I think that Rudy and Surgio will be on the second unit so that means that Blake has the starting spot until the all-star break. I think that Blake’s expiring contract along with the RLEC will be attractive. And I have hope that Surgio will play much better with Rudy here.
My guess...
Blake will be here longer than Sergio. I may be wrong, but I think El Mago’s days are numbered with the Blazers.
I think they make mention of that
in his draftexpress profile. I assume that the comes off screens comment means he has the ability to play off the ball; BRoy also possess this skill.
From the Bayless interviews I remember them talking about injuries forcing Bayless to take on roles not necessarily suited to his strengths.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
his high school coach
was quoted as saying that he was a point guard and anyone who tried to say something different was lying
by blackandwite323 on Jul 6, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right. Arizona's point guard, Nik Wise, was injured
Salaam
by Junior Del Norte on Jul 6, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
maybee Im wrong
but I thought he started the season at the 1 then moved to the 2. couse of injuries.
"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown
"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
nightbluefruit
bayless
"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown
"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
nightbluefruit
It was the opposite
He started at the 2 and moved to the 1 after Nic Wise got hurt.
Salaam
by Junior Del Norte on Jul 7, 2008 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
pedantry
How can we “have the Big Man back” when we have never had him in the first place? Sorry to bring it up on your post, but I have seen a lot of posts, here and elsewhere, saying we are getting Greg Oden back, when it seems that we really never had him in the first place.
Maybe broaching topics like these is why no one likes me.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
your playing with symantecs
does it really matter? do you know what he ment?
"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown
"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
nightbluefruit
More pedantry
I did get what he meant, but it doesn’t mean I will always understand the meaning when a point is muddied by using unclear language.
Let me go off topic for a second and say that one of the great things about BE is that it requires all of us to think about our statements and reread them so they can be as clear as possible. In this way we are all improving our communication skills as a result. Also, I was trying to point a potential error in a fun and self effacing way and not in way that belittled the author. At least this was my intent.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
pologize
caught a real flaming in on another thread for poor spelling and grammer. so I gues I should dismount from my highhourse now.
ot …if I proofred and only posted literary perfection, I might still be working on my first post. I can recognise when words are missed spelled, Im an avid reader, I just kant figure out the right way.
"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown
"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
nightbluefruit
to spell them
"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown
"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
nightbluefruit
I read that one
a real jerk move on the other guys part. I am not really bothered by spelling and grammatical mistakes, but when a concept is unclear due to the language it is more bothersome.
As a side note, I am also pretty bad at grammar and spelling, but I use firefox which spell checks my posts as I go. Also, a teacher once recommended a book called the transitive vampire, which is a book for undumb people who never learned or grasped grammatical concepts.I fI was not so lazy I would definitely read the whole thing.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I Agree
With your point on making points here at BEdge. It seems I tend to ramble when talking in person, and weirdly enough, typing posts and comments here really helps me stick to my point in personal conversation, and I find the focus really helps me convey my intent with much more clarity.
@Ptwn – I mentioned your spelling once in a comment; I hope I wasn’t the one who offended you – REALLY sorry if that was the case.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
For real?
He’s obviously a smart guy but he just spelled “pologize.” I think it’s all an act. My guess is that ptwnblzr is actually amlmart1. It is like he is trying to misspell words. I still like ptwnblzr through thick and thin, because he’s a swell guy. I mean, he has to have heard that one song. Link!
P.S. amlmart1’s name has been misspelled at least 20 times on the Bedge.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
Yeah I still don't know how he pronounces it
I just mash it together and say al-em-mart-1 in my head.
A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!
not at all-ive your posts always make me think
none of the regulars that embody the front offices culture hear on the bedge have ever insulted me or used my poor efforts at spelling and grammer againsts me, cept one, but I started it. and I wont ever do that again cause shes hard like alphonse, and smart like albert. ive seen her take on a whole thread by herself. I was lucky to get out in one peice.
"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown
"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
nightbluefruit
Technically
Oden was playing for us in Summer League, technically Oden was practicing. It’s not like we haven’t seen what he can do, we have seen glimpses. Oden has lived in Portland for the last year, so technically we are “getting the big man back”
by Gremarcus Roynandez on Jul 8, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
nobody within the Blazers organization
thinks Broy is best with the ball in his hands, he was just better then any other point option we had this year. look to the allstar game to see what broy can do off the ball with a quality point handling the offence. Pritchard when asked directly has said in the forth quarter you put the ball in your best players hand, but that does not make Broy a point gaurd(yah he can play it) playing him at point would not be maximising his usefullness to our team. also I believe that bayless started out the season at the point only moving over to the 2 after an injury nessesitated. just proving that he, like brandon is versitile. but lets not forget both can play the point, but that is baylesses natural position( he can pass and handle the rock) and Broy can play both as well but playing off the ball is what got brandon drafted in the lottery and what made him rookie of the year, and what made him look so good in the allstar game
"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown
"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
nightbluefruit
by ptwnblzr on Jul 6, 2008 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Are you Fatty???
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
I'm feeling a disturbance in the force...
I’m also sensing the presence of Fatty. I’m waiting for his official return.
I've been sensing Fatty
All season.
A rose under a different name… still has those prickly thorns that stick ya!!! I mean… smells as sweet.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
quoted straight from jurassic park
I have two favorite movie quotes about life/mother nature
“life finds a way”
and
“don’t fudge with mother nature” (statement made about bioengineering underwater creatures when we don’t understand what we’re doing. Oh, and it’s more dramatic after you eat the fudge)
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
No Way!
Way too much punctuation and correct spelling, no mention of book it, or gaurantees about who will win the title. It can’t be him.
I am the master of my fate, I am the Captain of my soul. - Charles Wesley
oh
I garuntee WE will win the title.
"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown
"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
nightbluefruit
hahahaha
thats awsome, but not true, i feal like some beutiful woman just mistook me for brad pit with comehither eyes(she has the comhither eyes). you know that guy on shawn of the dead? My bank teller said I looked like him today, err, yesterday. I dont know if thats a good thing or not. any way, from everything ive read about our famous fatty, I feal the compliment. I just hope when fatty does make his return, he doesnt mind my presence too much.
"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown
"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
nightbluefruit
I wrecked your post
sorry, now homonyms are creepin into my Bedge lexicon. Oh well.
You got a rec from me ptwetc , its so true altho Brandon may get the ball at crunch time, which makes sense, that does not make him a PG. Steve Blake is the teams PG in case anybody forgot.
"Meow" --- My cat Bonzi on whether or not Travis Outlaw is a core member of the PTB.
Not right away
The Blazers will be successful when the tone of the game is set by strong interior play. Lots of touches for LMA and the big guy. Some fouls on the opposition’s bigs. That’s how you want to start a game; not with your tweener (meant in the best way) jacking up shots. From what we know now, Blake seems to be our current best bet to set early tempo.
I like the idea of Jerryd and Martell running up points against the opponents’ bench. Of course, if our long term plan is to score 110 PPG instead of 95 PPG, some more punch in the starting five might be warranted…
by Engineering Problem on Jul 6, 2008 11:46 PM PDT reply actions
Combo guards
Am I the only one that thinks that Roy is a combo guard as well? He isn’t a PG, and he doesn’t seem to me to be a SG (at least not in the MJ/K*be mold), which would make him a combo guard, wouldn’t it?
Or is the combo guard label just a polite way of saying that the player has the body of a PG, but tries to play like a SG?
I think a lot of people see Roy as a combo guard
What we really need is a guy who can share ball handling duties with Roy and guard the opposing teams PG (particularly quick ones). Bayless stands a very solid chance of being that guy.
Boomshakalaka
Roy is a combo guard
I’d say he’s like a combination of Hong Kong Phooey and Oscar Robertson. Anyone else care to submit who they think makes B-Roy a combo guard?
"Meow" --- My cat Bonzi on whether or not Travis Outlaw is a core member of the PTB.
Travis is a Combo forward
as in a combo of Tracy Macgrady and Huckleberry Hound
http://www.weirdspace.dk/HannaBarbera/Graphics/Huckleberry%20Hound.jpg
"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."
well gollllly
Good old Huck, now that I think about it I Travis seems more like a triple combo of Huckleberry Hound, Wally Gator and Lizzy the Lizard, I mean Lippy the Lion.
"Meow" --- My cat Bonzi on whether or not Travis Outlaw is a core member of the PTB.
man Im tired
somehow I thought i was watching cartoons again, and was messed up inside when it just stopped
"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown
"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
nightbluefruit
"Combo" Guards...
I agree with you!
"Harry, I took care of it!"
I think most people use combo guard that way.
But Roy is an exception. He’s got the size of a SG with PG ability. It doesn’t happen in that order too often.
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.
Rudy at the point?
Lets see, how do I say this? Uhm…NO!
Better chance of playing the point guard position for the Blazers…
Petteri Koponen
"Harry, I took care of it!"
mmm
I love me some finland kid.
He’s gone with the addition of bayless though.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Who said anything about Rudy being a point guard????
even though I do believe Rudy can play point in the nba, that will probablybe Roy’s job for a long, long time. For those who question how Roy will guard points, I will use an actual Brandon Roy quote: “Ya, but how are they going to guard me????”....
RUDY > MJ
Get it through your head...
Roy will NEVER be starting pg when we have Blake and Bayless on the roster. Roy is 6’6”. Are you going to start asking Fernandez to play backup behind Oden? I know Roy plays pg really well on everyone’s NBA Live or NBA 2k8 but this is reality ladies and gentlemen.
by Gremarcus Roynandez on Jul 8, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Magic was 6'9", and a very good pg. Height is not the only way to determine a players position...
Livingston is 6’7”, and Roy actually tested out faster than Bayless in the lane agility drill in predraft tests.
Asking Fernandez to play behind Oden? Well, I guess I just don’t understand what in the sam heck you are talking about on this one….
PS Roy sucks playing pg on NBA 2k7 He is slow, cant dribble, cant pass, and cant hit a 3 point shot. ..
RUDY > MJ
Sarcasm
I laid the sarcasm on thick by saying Fernandez would be backing up Oden. Since everyone is all over Roy starting at PG, i know it won’t happen. On offense it would be cool to have Roy playing point, but when it comes time for Roy to defend a smaller quicker guard it won’t work out like everyone thinks.
It’s pointless to have Roy chasing quicker guards, getting tired and possibly aggravating his heel. Its not worth it, when the Blazers have players who fit in the position better. (blake and bayless)
by Gremarcus Roynandez on Jul 13, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudy needs minutes
whether Fernandez starts or not he will need to play major minutes, if not this season then definitely in ‘09-’10 or he could head back to Europe. This necessitates a three-guard rotation with Roy and Bayless being the “point guards” who will play alongside Rudy.
I expect this will be a delicate situation for KP and Nate, knowing that they’ve gotta keep the Spanish “minutes-monster” fed and happy or he’ll take his multi-colored ball and go home. I suspect promises have already been made re: PT or RF wouldn’t have signed last week. Now it’s up to Rudy to deliver on his potential and force Nate to play him ahead of Blake (or Bayless.) In my mind, it will come down to how quickly Fernandez picks up NBA defensive concepts. (If he plays defense like Sergio has so far, I don’t see Rudy getting what he wants from Nate re: PT.) “Worst-case scenario”? A future trade could be worked out to move Rudy to a team (New York, D’Antoni?) where defense will not be “as” emphasized.
Having watched Rudy highlight videos this morning...
................................... it becomes clear that the man IS NOT A 3.
He’s a straight 2, as nearly as I can tell.
I’m not sure what that means, long-run.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
I think it means
We have a vicious pair of 2 guards – one for each unit. Add two strong power forwards, two strong(ish) small forwards and two strong big men (with a third in the wings), and all we need is a pair of strong PGs…perhaps that will be Blake and Bayless?
Agreed, whole-heartedly
Rudy is a natural 2, and can also play some point (good passing, quick). He is not a good 3 (too skinny at the moment), so I don’t get why Mike Barrett and others are insinuating that he should get minutes there.
Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...
What's the difference?
If Roy and Bayless both work the same way, they’ll need a little distraction to make them better. Would we be asking whether they’d play together if there were two Roys? I’d be pretty happy with that. The difference would be that one is a different size and can guard smaller players.
But, I’m not sure it’s even down to this. Like, ptwn said, Roy is better off the ball. He showed something totally different in that all-star game. It was a little like last year. He’s so solid off the ball, can move so well, stop and shoot better than most players. Take the ball out of his hands most of the time, and I think we’ll have a tremendously better team (given that we give it to someone that can actually handle the ball well).
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
excactly
he had the ball so much cause he was the best option for that position, and a calming influence for the team, combining his locker room role as team leader with the positional role of floor general to bring solidarity. with the emergance of aldridge, and the addition of oden, and in general the excitement of the additional youth, roy should be able to spend more time off the ball without hurting the team. bayless, holding the ball well, and blake having been hear a year and playing well,, will also contribute to roy being able to play his position as well. the team should not be so lost on offence without roy in the directors chair, now that some of the bigger roles have been established. this assumes that oden fills at least as well as lamonster does.
"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown
"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
nightbluefruit
Starting Lineup, Opening Night:
1: Bayless
2: Sergio
3: Wafer
4: Rudy
5: Batum
Best bench in the league!
BLZRS FRVR
Technically, wouldn't that by definition NOT be our starting lineup?
That is, if one worries about technicalities.
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.
No.
Those are the starters.
But peep our 6-10:
Roy
LMA
Oden
Outlaw
Pryzbilla
SICK!
BLZRS FRVR
by nightbluefruit on Jul 7, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
That's, like, the best bench EVER!
We will win so many games with that bench, it’s unreal!
:)
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.
Ha Ha
You were totally fished in.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
Man
if Webster is our 11th guy… we’re going to dominate.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
lol
“If you look at the Blazers line-up long enough, you will see … there is no PG.”
Why are so many here caught in the PG Matrix? It’s the mix of players, not the positions, that matter.
The Blazers run traditional centers and PFs at you. With Travis starting at 3, we have an athletic slasher who has shown himself a threat beyond the arc. Where Nate will need creativity is using our abundant and multi-talented guard core. Phoenix and Dallas got infinite regular season wins playing basically small-ball. That is not what I think wins playoff games and thank goodness not what we will be doing. But it shows that different approaches can win.
I see Rudy starting. People do not seem to fully appreciate his ability to distribute the rock. He is a huge scorer, but he plays the right way, getting the ball to the man in the best position to score, whether that’s a bounce pass or a lob over the top.
Personally, I’m glad Rudy is laying claim to minutes. He wants to compete at the highest level. He knows that he has talent and sees himself as a winner. He is making a sacrifice to come to the NBA and wants his experience to be worth the money he is leaving on the table. What he is afriad of is not really getting to show the NBA what he’s got.
Bayless could earn some starts towards mid-season, especially if his defense on quicks is as touted, but will not start consistently before next season, if then.
Blazers 08-09 Starting Five:
Roy
Rudy
Trout
LMA
O,G
With everyone healthy (knock on wood), and Rudy on the floor, all of our startes are legitimate threats with the ball. Let opponents triple team Roy with these guys around!
How can the Blazers not dominate?
'77
by LaoTzu on Jul 7, 2008 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That's what I've been saying
Who cares if Roy can’t guard their point guard if we’re up by 10 the entire game.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
Combo's
Bayless has one year of college ball, and played both PG and SG. We drafted him because he is a superb athlete who showed some talent for both. KP sees him as a “combo guard”. Since Bayless is so young, he’s got the time to settle into a role and then improve his skills to match the role. Which is what he didn’t have the option to do at Arizona. Personally, I think that early minutes will be absorbed by Roy, Blake and Rudy. Rudy, after all, is 23, and has much more experience, so is likely to be more ready to play effectively. Bayless will get minutes, but because he is a very good athlete, I think that by his second year most of the minutes will be absorbed by Roy, Rudy and Bayless. KP sees Rudy as a SG – but believes he has the skills to also pick up some minutes at point. They’re all combo’s to a point. They all have good passing skills, and all can fill the bucket. Rudy has a 41% from 3 point, and Bayless is close. All can also take it to the hole. About all we’re really talking about is who brings it up the floor. Parker is often cited as a PG, but he only picked up 6 assists per game. Hardly a Nash/Williams etc type of point. Bring it up, start moving, and then whoever has the ball at that point passes to the open man.
As far as Sergio, I think you’ll see him thru the spring, and then, once we’ve looked at how the SF spot is going, he’ll be traded. However, for now, he’s a 5th guard and a friend for Rudy, who’ll be making quite a transtion to America.
About all we’re really talking about is who brings it up the floor
It’s more about who will be guarding the other team’s PG and how that shouldn’t be Roy, or Rudy, for any extended amount of time
rudy's not a pg
cant believe some of y’all think rudy will see time at the pg postion hate to burst your bubble but not going to happen,second why is everybody giving up on sergio so quick I mean damn he’s still young and can learn patience is the key.
Fantasy Land
In fantasy land, your starting lineup might look like this:
Roy
Rudy
Outlaw
Aldridge
Oden
Fantasy Land is a place where players can run as fast as they want, jump as high as they can and not get tired or worn out for infinite periods of time. But since we live in Reality, the Blazers starting lineup will look something like this: (Lots of Blazers fans think we live in Fantasy Land)
Blake
Roy
Webster
Aldridge
Oden
Blazers 2nd unit will consist of:
Bayless
Fernandez
Outlaw
Frye
Pryzbilla
Roy starting or playing the point for an extended period of time is not going to happen. Asking Roy to play against smaller/quicker guards is just about as silly as asking Aldridge to do the same. Just because Roy can distribute the ball well doesn’t mean he will be our starting point.
by Gremarcus Roynandez on Jul 7, 2008 7:58 PM PDT reply actions
Bayless doesn't need
to be the “starting PG”
Anyone read John Conzano’s article? BRoy and Bayless will be splitting PG duties in the season. Roy has asked McMillan to give playmaking and distribution to him part time, so Bayless doesn’t need to be a true PG. I think they’ll share the position with Roy playing point part, and Bayless playing point part, even though Roy is playing the formal position of PG.
Conzano
I don’t take anything he says seriously. John Conzano was after all the guy who coined the phrase ” draft the stache” In the 2006 draft, Conzano pushed hard for the Blazers to draft Adam Morrison. I wonder where the Blazers would be now had they drafted Morrison instead of Roy and Aldridge.
This is for Conzano, just because a player might be a local product (Morrison, Kevin Love…etc.) doesn’t mean they should be drafted by the Blazers. Although Roy played in Washington nobody, including myself had any idea Roy would turn out to be the best combo guard in the league in only his sophomore year.
by Gremarcus Roynandez on Jul 13, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions

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