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White Unit vs. Memphis Starters

Take a look at our bench.  It is stacked.  Stacked. In fact, let's take a look at it together.

PG: Jerryd Bayless

SG: Rudy Fernandez

SF: Travis Outlaw

PF: Channing Frye

C: Joel Pryzbilla

Bayless and Rudy are both rookies next year, so a lot of their value is based on their potential.  But they certainly do have plenty of potential.  Joel is a tested veteran who gives good defense and great rebounding in the interior.  Channing has shown that he excels playing the 4 with a big center on the floor, and this gives him that opportunity.  And Outlaw gives the white line a go-to scorer who has proven he can get his own shot.  This line-up doesn't have tons of outside shooting, but has competent scorers and very decent defensive potential [note, since this team will play as a unit, I think they have a chance of being the best defensive bench unit in the NBA.  That cohesiveness matters]

 

Being the stereotypical Blazers fan that I am, I naturally wanted to brag about this in as effective a way as possible.  So I will be comparing our bench unit to the Memphis Grizzlies starting line-up.  Let's take a look at that line-up below:

PG: Mike Conley Jr.

SG: OJ Mayo

SF: Rudy Gay

PF: Hakim Warrick / Darrel Arthur

C: Darko Milicic

 

For more on the woes of Memphis, check out their clubhouse page at ESPN.  Yup, it has a big picture of Pau Gasol.  They really update that page well!  Note that I believe Marc Gasol won't be starting, at least not at the beginning of the season.  I also believe Mayo will have trouble proving himself better than either members of the Grizzlies' current backcourt.

 

So let's do this head-to-head:

Bayless vs. Conley

Bayless is an unproven rookie.  Conley is a somewhat proven sophomore.  Conley distributes the ball well and has above-average handles.  He won't be confused with a great shooter, but you can't leave him wide-open.  Bayless will be in the game as an energetic defender and shooter.  I wouldn't be surprised if he has trouble playing as a true point guard for the white unit, and we won't rely on him to run the offense much.  If Bayless plays to the peak of his potential, then he wins this matchup.  As it is, Conley is the proven commodity [didn't think you'd hear that phrase any time soon, did you?], and has the advantage going into the season.

Fernandez vs. Mayo

Rudy is the MVP of the best basketball league outside of the NBA.  He comes in with an NBA-ready body and a game a bit like Ginobili's.  He was able to score some buckets in Spain based on superior athleticism, but he won't be able to do that in the NBA.  He's not known for his defense, but has the physical tools to be a capable defender. Mayo was the consensus #3 pick in the draft.  Memphis obviously has high hopes for him fitting into their system, since they traded a very capable Mike Miller for his rights.  Mayo is a slasher, with good handles and an eye for distributing.  His game is a bit like Rudy's, but I think Rudy will come into the league at a higher level.

Outlaw vs. Gay

Besides Roy and Aldridge, Gay is the best player to come out of the 2006 draft.  He plays a bit like Outlaw, and both are capable of playing the 4.  They can both score i bunches, and rebound decently for a SF.  The biggest difference is that Gay has proven himself as a starter, and Outlaw has only been successful playing in somewhat limited minutes off the bench.  For now, Gay is the embodiment of what Outlaw could be.  Like Bayless, if Outlaw played to the peak of his potential, he would win this matchup.  Otherwise, you'd have to give Gay the advantage here.

Frye vs. Warrick

Frye is a long, athletic outside-shooting big man.  Last year, he played best when he had a big body to play next to.  In the white unit, he'll have Pryzbilla to do the heavy lifting of rebounding and defense, allowing Channing to focus on taking 18-foot jumpers.  Warrick is a very athletic big man.  A bit like Outlaw, he'll likely be able to drive past Channing on occasion.  Still, I think Frye is a more established professional player and would win this matchup by an inch. Note that rookie Darrel Arthur could get minutes here, but Channing's experience would trump Arthur's potential for now.

Pryzbilla vs. Milicic
Pryzbilla belongs in the NBA.  He would definitely start on a lot of teams.  One of those teams is Memphis.  Milicic struggles mightily against quality defenders and doesn't provide much defense of his own.  With Darko on the inside, Bayless, Rudy, and Outlaw can drive at will without anyone to stop them.  Pryzbilla, conversely, won't allow easy layups.  I think this is the biggest advantage for the Blazers.

 

Obviously, this is a rather homer-ish opinion.  This isn't something I'd recommend linking to on the Grizzlies blog.  But I think the real lesson here is that we have a chance at having a darn good bench.  The more they play together, the better they'll get, especially defensively.  The Celtics won a championship in large part due to the strength of their bench defense.  Hopefully, we can do the same.

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Miller?

You do know that Miller was part of the draft day trade that got hem O.J. Mayo. You probably should not include him in the analysis.

There are no stupid questions, only stupid people

by blazersfan50 on Jul 5, 2008 10:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yep first thing I was about to say

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 5, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahh dangit

I knew I’d screw something like that up. Stupid ESPN.com

Kevin Pritchard is a 4.0 Draft Day Student

by rmcdougall on Jul 5, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fixed it. Now your comment looks stupid :)

And you can’t edit those :)

Kevin Pritchard is a 4.0 Draft Day Student

by rmcdougall on Jul 5, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I think Darrel Arthur could be their starting PF (they traded for him as well), as Warrick is more of a bench scorer.

Honestly if your going to pick on a starting unit I’d go for the OKC Bankrupts, as they honestly have the least talent in the West right now. Plus that OTHER reason to pick on them doesn’t hurt.

by Devenex on Jul 5, 2008 11:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post

But I’d say our white unit DOES have plenty of outside shooting. Bayless has a reliable 3 and so does Travis. Also, Rudy is reputed to be able to score from anywhere. We shouldn’t underestimate the long distance capabilities of the Caucasian unit.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Jul 5, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Travis

is not coming off the bench this year. Nate and KP have already publicly stated Travis will be the starting SF this year. Just so you know.

myspace.com/marktwainindians

by mark twain on Jul 5, 2008 12:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

link?

I’ve heard them say he’ll be playing SF, not PF and I’ve heard them say there’s a chance he could start, but I haven’t heard any declaration that he’s our starting SF.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 5, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No they haven't

Nate said that Travis will be playing small forward full time next year.

This has nothing to do with him starting or coming off the bench.

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 5, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus

we heard that news at the same time we heard that the Blazers were looking at draft day deals with Phoenix and a few other teams that didn’t include Indy. We also heard at the same time that there was little to no trade interest in Jarrett Jack. So I would take that all with a big old hunk of salt.

by Section323 on Jul 5, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I think Martell will come back like a house of fire, but
he and TO will alternate 1st & 3rd / 2nd & 4th like last
year. TO dosen’t mind coming off the bench and Martell
is and will be a better defender.

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jul 6, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slight edge to Memphis' starters

mostly because I think really highly of Rudy Gay… but its pretty darn close. We have a ton of talent on our bench. Our depth is outstanding.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 5, 2008 12:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Travis is starting

mark twain is right, i have heard a few times that kp and nate said that travis was going to start at sf

by KObeHater on Jul 5, 2008 2:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I still would like a link please?

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 5, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Naw...

Love the thought, and you may be able to make a case like this in a few years depending on who we keep or don’t, but a team has to be brilliant, proven, and very deep before we start going into “our bench could start a lot of places” territory. Somehow I don’t see a team that went 41-41 last year which improved by adding guys who haven’t played at all in the NBA yet being able to make that claim. I’m not trying to downgrade the contributions of Oden, Fernandez, and Bayless either. It’s just too early.

On a side note, Hakim Warrick gets a pretty clear statistical nod over Channing Frye, O.J. Mayo has a good chance of contributing as much as Rudy (perhaps more), and Rudy Gay so blows away everybody on this list that he skews the balance in Memphis’ favor all on his own. KP would probably trade every player on the list to get him. Make that dead certain if we could keep either Rudy or Travis. Memphis would say no.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 5, 2008 2:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The other perspective

is that the White unit may not exist this year even as it did not exist most of last year. I really see rotations varying with each game as we produce matchup problems for teams and force them to adjust to us, Rudy and Bayless (20-25 each) need more minutes and Roy is not going to go below 33-34 so additional that leaves only pickings for Blake and Sergio. Martell and Outlaw will both play with starters and have similar minutes unless Martell blows up this year (we can hope). Greg and LeMarcus are going to get major minutes (30-35) at the bigs with Joel and Channing likely adding only 10-15 each, dictated more by foul troubles and injuries.

I think Memphis is ready to rock beginning this year and will provide a ddifficult matchup for many teams. Our bigs can overpower theirs which may help.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 5, 2008 4:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes...varying rotations

One of our real strengths will be versatility. So many of our players are able to play multiple positions that we can mix-and-match depending on the opponent. We have so many combinations available it WILL be a matchup challenge for many teams. Rather than viewing our roster as two separate platoons, I see the core and the rest of the team overlapping.

by Dr Dave on Jul 5, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One problem

It’s rather difficult to challenge the world champions, but the Celtics really tried that this year with mixed results. They won because they had 3 All-Star players starting…

Doc really confused players by mixing and matching. A lot of players struggled with their roles. I can’t see some of our players being effective as much if they’re playing with new people each day and their roles are varied. For a direct idea of what this does to a player see: Jarrett Jack (love him, wish him the best of luck though).

I’d much rather have a team with 4 starters playing 35-40 minutes and each bench player having a role that’s consistent.

by Powder on Jul 5, 2008 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much did Doc struggle if they won 66 games?

There are other teams that had the talent level of the Celtics, Doc actually did a very good job of managing the rotations during the regular season, it was during the playoffs that he screwed it up, then fixed it just in time for the Finals.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 5, 2008 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greg Oden is always in foul trouble

Or at least he was in college and the summer leagues. I anticipate Joel playing 20 minutes a night on average.

by Clevelander among roses on Jul 6, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about the gray unit?

Is Petteri going to be on the roster? Could we carry Oden, Pryz, LaFrentz, LMA, Frye, Diogu, Webster, Outlaw, Batum, Roy, Fernandez, Bayless, Blake, Sergio, and Petteri?

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Jul 6, 2008 10:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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