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Darius works out for the Celtics

I couldn't believe it when I read it.

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1104957

Will we have to wait all summer to find out if someone's going to take a risk?  Seems to me that he would be a last resort type of player.  One that a team would look at after striking out in FA.  I don't think the defending champs will be left out in the cold during FA.  This worries me.

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wtf

that is not good new, althoe I think your probably right. I think not being wanted in portland might go a long way to not being wanted. they might just be extending him the courtousy of letting him workout.

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by ptwnblzr on Jul 4, 2008 11:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

suddenly after reading that

I have the fealling that a team has to invite a player to practise, that its not really like an open gym at all. if anyone know this for sure, pleas elaborate

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by ptwnblzr on Jul 4, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't bet on it.

Don’t you think that all the talk of being Pritchslapped- especially when it comes to Danny Ainge basicallly giving us Roy for Telfair, don’t you think he might think it worth the cost of two 10 day contracts and some garbage minutes in ten games to spit a 20 million dollar loogie into KP’s soup?

by raoulduke on Jul 4, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Minimum of 20 games

10 for his suspension, 10 to ‘stick it’ to the Blazers.

That’s at least a month and a half you have to carry Darius instead of someone else. At least a month and a half you have to pay him. At least a month and half you have to put up with his antics. At least a month and a half to watch opposing players blow by him because his knees won’t allow him to play adequate defense.

by Storyteller on Jul 4, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

team still pays

i believe the money goes to charity or something like that

by douglast on Jul 4, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus

if he get injured during those 20 games his contract becomes guaranteed.

by RipCity on Jul 4, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point there ...

Now that the 10 day suspension would have to come before a team could play him in any games, a team would certainly have to offer more the 2 10-day contracts. And isn’t that the limit? Doesn’t a salary become guaranteed if a player is offered another contract AFTER those 2 10-day contracts? If a team could get him in and play him without paying too much, maybe. But it they have to guarantee a whole season’s salary, I find it highly unlikely he’ll ever reach those 10 games.

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by bfan on Jul 4, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This seems like something worthwhile to invetigate

But I have no idea how to do that. I do know that we are the hottest up and coming NBA team. If another team could put us in a salary cap bind for a couple of years (and make us miss our free agency window in ‘09) by signing that guy for a short term contract, well, if I was another team I certainly would do exactly that. A month and a half of sending a rook to the D-league certainly seems like a worthwhile trade-off to me. The Celtics if they had a grudge, any division team or any team who is looking to turn their fortunes around the next couple of years (the Bulls perhaps?) would be likely candidates.

by einman77 on Jul 6, 2008 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

Ainge better not pull some shady crap. That would make him a huge a-hole if here to sign Darius and play, because that to me would signal that he’s just doing it to screw with Portland’s salary. No other reason, ESPECIALLY after he was suspended 10 games for drug violation.

by damir on Jul 4, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Darius would make a perfect replacement for James Posey as the Celts embark on their quest to repeat. He’s a perfect “culture” fit, and will give Bill Simmons plenty of fodder for stories.

[/sarcasm]

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 7, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't worry

Allan Houston tried to come back last summer after being cut for medical reasons. Initially, teams were impressed because he performed better than they expected. But in the end, his body was unable to play on an NBA level, so nobody signed him (even to ‘stick it’ to the Knicks). I think that Darius’ story will be similar.

by Storyteller on Jul 4, 2008 11:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Allen Houston was also in his mid to upper 30's

We better make whatever moves we think we are going to make now, before this ends up handicapping us later.

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Jul 4, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moves?

You want KP to make moves based on a Miles workout? No Way!!! Unless Ainge is prepared to offer Miles a vet’s minimum contract (approx $1 mil) and of course a roster spot, there’s absolutely no need to panic. With Miles’ 10 game suspension and the need to play 10 games in ‘08-’09 he needs a guaranteed vet’s contract, not the maximum two 10 day contracts allowed by the NBA (Ainge would need to play him every game of his second 10 day contract for that to work).

If Ainge signed Miles to two 10 day contracts (and played a guy who’s knee is in such bad shape that he was medically retired) for 10 consecutive games, he would then either have to cut him or sign him for the remainder of the season. If Ainge cuts him, he looks real “low rent” to other GMs, and if he signs him he wastes a roster spot for the sake of spite. It’s a no win situation for Ainge to pull something like this. He’s got better things to spend his time and the owner’s money on.

by fat27 on Jul 4, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That first sentence makes

you sound suspiciously freethinking. Kudos. If not I was never here and this comment never happened.

by Junior Del Norte on Jul 4, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am, you were and it did. ;0

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by annthefan on Jul 4, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a complete Jerk !

I’ve met three people who knew him in High School at
North Eugene. All, including a friend said he is a jerk
and an egomaniac. Celts & KG won their championship,
now it’s time for the Black & Red Dynasty !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jul 5, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not based on a work out.

All I’m saying is that if it looks like Darius is going to be thrown back onto our books, if it is still possible at that point, we need to make whatever moves we need to before his cap number prevents us from doing so. It may not even matter, because if Darius does play this year, then it will affect our free agency next year.

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Jul 4, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think

anyone thought last year’s knicks needed ‘sticking it’ to.

by DominicanAvenger on Jul 4, 2008 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Additionally

Even if he did come back..it would only limit KP options in FA (of which I am dubious anyway). We could still trade the RLEC for a player of equivilent salary. The only real effect in my mind is that PA would have to pay lux tax.

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by 92wastheyear on Jul 4, 2008 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Ainge does this he should be investigated.

Of all the teams in the league that don’t need to add any talent or players the Celtics are at the top. If he does this it would be purely to F with Portland. It seems Ainge and Simmons have a virtual vendetta against Portland after Telfair/Roy and then not getting Oden. Eveyone with a grain of sense knows it was Ainge who spread those rumors about the red dot on Oden’s knee. Ainge didn’t even look happy when his Franken-team won the championship, I don’t think he feels joy anymore…

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by Idog1976 on Jul 4, 2008 11:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Franken-team!

I love it! Did you just make that up? It fits the C’s perfectly. Would that make Ainge Egor? The one who pulled the switch. “Yes, Master.”

"...and that loud noise you hear coming is the Portland Trailblazers." - Charles Barkley

by RebelRogue on Jul 4, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't blame Boston a bit.

My understanding is that if Darius plays 10 + games in 2 years, then his entire salary goes back on our books. In the meantime, I don’t think Boston would have to pay much of it, if anything at all. Boston, or any other team, doesn’t have anything to lose…except a roster spot and perhaps some attitude issues.

I said it before, but the smartest thing any of our Western Conference rivals could do is to sign Darius. It might not be the most ethical thing to do, but if you can step on your competition’s throat you ought to…otherwise they will eventually step on yours.

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by silkybrown on Jul 4, 2008 11:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But it must be kept in mind

that it wouldn’t slam the door on all possible moves…..it just restricts them somewhat. The RLEC still has the same (or most of the same) value on the market as far as trades go.

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by 92wastheyear on Jul 4, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

It seems like every team would at least want to work Darius out because they have nothing to lose. Assuming he checks out, If we could sign a guy that someone else would have to pay for, why wouldn’t we do it?

On another note, I know that Darius is considered on par with everything evil, but why would he consistently claim he was ready and could play all year last year if he couldn’t. To me it seemed a little shady of the Blazers to declare for him that he had a career ending injury. Yes I know it was an independent doctor, but you can’t be so naive that you believe the Blazers couldn’t find an independent doctor who would say what they wanted him to say.

by MavetheGreat on Jul 4, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The NBA finds the doc

And ZERO players in the history of the NBA have come back from medical retirement. The docs don’t go “oh, I guess it might hurt a little if he plays”. The independent docs put on the case by the NBA determine if the injury is so bad that it won’t ever be in a NBA shape again. This doc said Darius would have to get his entire knee replaced by his 30’s if he kept playing on it, and maybe even if he doesn’t.

If there was any hint of conspiracy, the player’s union would be all over this.

This won’t really affect us even if Darius, by some miracle, becomes the first player to ever come back, because it takes two seasons to determine whether he is ‘ok’ now and for the money to go back on our books, and he’s gotta play 10 games in one of them. By then, we’ll have determined our cap space stuff (and I’m sure someone like Storyteller will point out the ways I am incorrect there, but that’s my basic understand).

AND EVEN THEN, the money doesn’t automatically come back on our books, because it will be reviewed and arbitrated and whatnot, and as the NBA agreed the knee was kapoot, I’m sure nothing will happen.

Darius is still really young, so why wouldn’t a team take a shot on him? It doesn’t hurt to work him out. He’s what, 26?

Also, 10 day contracts are not 10 GAME contracts, and 20 games is about 2 months sometimes. 1/4 of a season (since he will have to be on a roster and being paid for the 10 games he is suspended for, and let’s say he doesn’t get caught again) is a long time. For a team trying to win like the Celtics, Darius will have to be good and actually ok for them to play him.

I don’t think Darius is evil, and his injury made me a sad boy. However, just because he says he is ready doesn’t make it so. Darius was always saying how he was turning over a new leaf, the new Darius was gonna show up; Darius said a lot of stuff. If he could have played, people would have seen him play. To automatically assume there is some conspiracy is in itself naive.

Not all of this is directly responding to Mavethegreat, just throwin’ my two cents in.

If Darius can somehow become healthy enough to come back, I’d be very, very happy for him. Losing a young career to injury is a big tragedy in the realm of athletics. If he does come back, we have the NBA’s decision on our side plus the different doctors who all agreed that the knee’s injury was beyond repair for NBA play. We’ll be ok no matter what happens, and we’d be just fine if Darius has actually changed his entire personality and became a hard working player obsessed with getting back in the NBA.

Does anyone think, sadly, that Darius has it in him? I’d love to be wrong, and don’t mind him playing elsewhere.

I don’t think it’ll bite us in the rear either way.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 4, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks

for the clarification on the ‘NBA picks the doc’ aspect. That wasn’t the way it sounded in the Oregonian, etc. when this all went down a couple months ago.

True enough that Darius was always saying something, and it never really came to anything, but like you I don’t want his story to end that way.

I don’t assume a conspiracy, but I also don’t assume everything is as it seems.

by MavetheGreat on Jul 4, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trust no one.

The best advice ever to come from the X-Files. If you always assume the worst, it’s possible you may be pleasantly surprised. I think life itself is a conspiracy.

"...and that loud noise you hear coming is the Portland Trailblazers." - Charles Barkley

by RebelRogue on Jul 4, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think KP is an alien.

What he’s accomplished is “out of this world.”

"...and that loud noise you hear coming is the Portland Trailblazers." - Charles Barkley

by RebelRogue on Jul 4, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true, it often isn't simple as it seems...

But assuming that the Blazers knowingly cherry picked a ‘friendly’ doc to give them the outcome they want is kinda evil. That’s ending a young man’s career on purpose, just to get some MORE cap space when we were already set on having cap space.

Some are instantly jumping to shady, illegal dealings here and this whole process obviously took quite a long time to determine Miles’ physical ability. He hadn’t played for TWO YEARS at the time of his retirement. It’s not naive to assume there is more to the story than we’re being told, but it’s also not right to jump to a worst case scenario, KP and the Blazers conspiring together just to get rid of Darius.

Does Darius medically retiring help us out? Yes, very much so. Not only is he no longer a distraction, no fans or reporters asking anyone about him, we get his cap room for our cap space window. It still is a big jump from there, to thinking there is shadiness afoot, when there are so many hoops to jump through before a player can be called ‘unfit’ to play, medically.

To weasel through those would take a lot of help from the NBA, from random docs, and from the players union, and I think expecting all of that to join together just to end Darius Miles’ career is naive.

There is probably a lot more or even a lot LESS to what Ainge is doing, and it possibly has nothing to do with us. Nothing mean on his end, just working out a young kid who came back from injury, ala Allan Houston. Everyone always looks good in workouts also, and no one hurts someone’s chances on getting a deal from someone else (or pissing off that player’s agent, and Miles has a big time one don’t he?) by saying that player played poorly.

Hell, we worked out Doug Christie last summer, but I don’t think we intended on signing him.

Again, not all of this is directed at MavetheGreat, and I don’t think it’s wrong to try to dig deeper with what’s going on.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 4, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's interesting that so many people seem to want to attribute shady dealings to the Blazers lately.

What’s that about? Maybe just that we can’t believe in our recent good luck and look for negatives to offset it. I dunno.

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by annthefan on Jul 4, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

And I’m not trying to pin anything on KP, or suggest a conspiracy, but at the same time anyone who has been around for the last 4 years is aware of the roller coaster the public image of teh Blazers have been. I guess a medical retirement by the last remaining symbol of the Jail Blazers made me wonder a bit.

by MavetheGreat on Jul 4, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That, plus I just discovered

that KP has hired Jeff Gillooly and Shawn Eckardt as special assistants.

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by MiledAnimal on Jul 5, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KP is even more masterful than I thought

The league will never suspect that Shawn Eckart did it then.

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by silkybrown on Jul 5, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Eckart a zombie?

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by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 5, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's my 1st guess

And that’s what I said just now in the recent Junk Drawer, in response to Bayless having a BAYLESS tattoo. It’s like we’re TRYING to find something wrong, because we just can’t believe how good things have been lately.

And really, there has been ZERO bad news or missteps since, oh, KP took over. Aside from Oden going down, which I think is Nash and Patterson’s fault anyways.

Trying to attribute shady/illegal/unethical dealings to KP, to Paul Allen, when there is no evidence to suggest it, is odd right now when they’ve done nothing but good stuff lately. I think we feel insecure when things are so good and are trying to take a step back with the love for the Blazers that they’ve been expressing, to avoid feeling like they are blind homers who can’t see the evil in front of them.

Of course, there is no evil in front of them, and things appear to be exactly as they appear to be. Miles’ knee was in horrible shape and would eventually need to be replaced, Bayless IS as advertised and is a nice kid and not a meglomaniac who is going to destroy the team, and KP did well in the draft and didn’t lie to another team.

IF ANY OF THOSE WERE TRUE, we’d hear about it somewhere. All of these things helped us, but we got them through talented GMing or good/back luck (good luck for the franchise, bad luck for Miles—though he still gets paid). It’s not everyone, but there are a lot of hints from some peoples here who suggest there HAS to be something shady and underhanded going on…

I don’t get it. I think they just need some real basketball to watch.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 4, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree with MavtheGreat.

Pritchard is the trickiest GM in the league (I mean that in a good way). How can you take anything he says at face value? The Darius Miles thing seemed a little too convenient for a guy who could still run and dunk.

As far as Bayless goes, I didn’t like him before he became a Blazer. He always seemed like a very selfish player who happened to be extremely talented. His lame tattoo is just another thing that makes me nervous. Does having your name tattooed on your back automatically make you a narcissistic idiot? I guess not, but it doesn’t help. I would love to love Jerryd Bayless. Hopefully I am proven wrong. If he doesn’t work out maybe KP can get him medically retired for having debilitatingly short small arms. Just kidding.

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by Winchester on Jul 4, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Touche

I wanted to make some of these jokes as well, but I didn’t in fear someone would think I really thought poorly of Pritchard. I mean come on Mort, can’t we play a little bit

I don’t share your pessimism about Bayless, but that’s mostly because I don’t think he’ll ever be an essential part of the team. If he pans out, great. If not, oh well we won’t need him to be successful.

by MavetheGreat on Jul 4, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

It’s all gravy anyway. He was a steal at #11 even if he does have some attitude problems.

Do I know you in real life? Are you friends with a guy named brainfart?

If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley

by Winchester on Jul 4, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brainfart?

You better believe it. A fella that for some reason uses that alias is my roommate. However I’m not sure I know you. You a buddy of his from Medford?

by MavetheGreat on Jul 4, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Did I ever play basketball with you on Monday nights?

If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley

by Winchester on Jul 4, 2008 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

Yes, probably so. Did you usually come with Tom decked out in headbands, short shorts and 70s tank tops?

by MavetheGreat on Jul 5, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley

by Winchester on Jul 5, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shady doc? No

According to the Oregonian, the doctor was selected jointly by the league and the players association.

by fat27 on Jul 4, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

cherry picking a Doctor?

I happen to know the Doctor the PTB chose and his reputation is rock solid.

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by bow4meow on Jul 5, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahaha

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by annthefan on Jul 5, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hello

"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 5, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi Dr Nick!

Thanks L dubelay.

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by bow4meow on Jul 5, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi, Dr. Nick!

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by timbo on Jul 5, 2008 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jul 5, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice

You really have a way of changing perspectives. I’m pulling for him now. Another shining post there Mort.

by einman77 on Jul 6, 2008 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celts were impressed

According the Boston Globe via HoopsWorld his workout was “impressive”

HW’s Jason Fleming goes into some detail including “Something here smells fishy. What is not detailed is exactly what “impressive” means…” and he talks about ramifications for the Blazers.

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by jorga on Jul 4, 2008 11:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well they worked out Miles, Kirk Synder, and David Harrison. And it says in the article they are bringing dead weight Patrick O’Byrant. To me the Celtics are taking an honest look at some players that other teams have passed on and seeing if any of them call help will the void left by Posey. Why not look at Miles? With at locker room as strong as the one the Celtics have you’d have to believe they’d be able to curb some of Miles behavioral issues.

I should note I like Miles. I’ve alway been a little sad that he lacked the work effort and discipline to utilize his talents. I’ve always felt that he was made out to be the scape goat a lot of the time in the media which has always bothered me. I’d like to see Miles get a second chance somewhere to prove me right.

With that said, I really hope that doesn’t happen in the next two years. I like cap space.

by Mash on Jul 4, 2008 12:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dont worry guys

A few things:

1. Nobody has ever been able to come back from a career ending injury, thats why they call it a career ending injury. I find it difficult to believe that if a league independant doctor would find that Miles’ knee was bad enough to declare that it was career ending, ANY team doctor would declare him fot to play.

If that did happen, I would ask the league doctor to come in and examine the knee and have him have final say over whether or not the knee is fit or not and let him, not the Bos doctor, have the final say on whether he can pass the physical. Having a league doctor oversee the physical will ensure that no funny business is going on.

2. Having one good workout, a season does not make. Lets say that he did look good in a workout, do you actually think Miles could get through a training camp and make the physical requirement tests? Highly doubtful. He will probably break down a week or so before the season and not be able to come back.

3. We just need him to not play this season as once the season is over, as we will still have his cap space to sign a FA. If Miles comes back in the 09-10 season, we will still have the FA signed with Miles cap space, but his salary will go back on the books retroactively, but too late to keep us from having signed said FA. We will be on the hook for the salary and the luxury tax, but PA has not shied from paying the LT.

As I said before don’t worry.

by SpyderRyder on Jul 4, 2008 12:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the plot thickens

maybe they are hiring darius to push paul pierce’s wheelchair?

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by Ben. on Jul 4, 2008 12:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Darius the Pusher!!!

Stop the presses!!! (or the electrons in the case of web based media outlets)

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by 92wastheyear on Jul 4, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole rule seems kind of weird to me.

An independant doctor hired by the NBA can say a player has a career ending injury and the NBA will take the salary off the books, but another team can sign him, play him in ten games, and the NBA puts the salary back on. Weren’t they the ones who said he was unfit to play?

@('.')@

by JTDuck22 on Jul 4, 2008 1:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

so does he need to be available to play?

does he have to be on the 12 man game day roster? Or does he just have to be on the 15 player roster in a suit on order to have his 10 games count?

by parkinglotj on Jul 4, 2008 1:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking he has to log minutes.

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by bfan on Jul 4, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he has to actually play

not sit.

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by mark twain on Jul 4, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone send in a "Cooler!"

Quick!! We need to hire an undercover Cooler to get Miles to start smoking, drinking, and acting stupid again. Or maybe we’ll luck-out, the Knicks will pick him up, and Miles and Randolf can go mess things up in Times Square together.

Don’t let Captain Wobble-knee play again!!

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by Dr. Deal on Jul 4, 2008 2:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

sorry I ment the suspended games

does the team have to hold a spot open for him on the roster and go into a game with only 11 players ready to play?

by parkinglotj on Jul 4, 2008 2:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Prolly not

He’d be suspended and on the inactive roster for 10 games, but he’d still be paid for it (or, the pay goes to the NBA which in turn goes to charitable deeds, such as the murder of Seattle fans childhood).

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 4, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celtics having some kind of grudge toward the Blazers? Be serious.

As a Celtics fan, I’m not lamenting the Roy trade one bit, because without that trade, which gave the Cs the necessary Theo expiring contract, they would have never landed Kevin Garnett. Roy’s a very nice player, who might someday lead his team to a championship, but the Cs have their championship two short years after that trade, and are right up there to win another one in 2009.

To think that Ainge or the Cs have some sinister plan to sign Miles to spite the Blazers over a trade that paved the way to their 17th championship, is delusional. Ainge is probably just kicking the tires with Miles.

by TripleOT on Jul 4, 2008 4:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!

.

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by tominhawaii on Jul 4, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha!

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by annthefan on Jul 4, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard "Darius Ma"

in dat . link to “the Green Delusion”

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by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 4, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Kicking the tires"

That’s EXACTLY what’s going on here. Ainge may or may not have the intention to sign Darius (or any of these lousy players), but hey, might as well take a look.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 5, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

The paranoia is starting to run a little deep on this one. I really can’t think that any team would find it valuable to hold a roster spot for a guy just to play him 10 games so another team has to pay him money and fill up cap space. The teams that have roster spots available are either planning trades or signings where a roster spot is required, or the owner does not want to pay any more in salary than he has to.

On the other hand, Miles was an extremely talented player before his injuries and if he is wanting to play, of course teams are going to take a look at him to see if he can go. If he can, he will play for someone. If an independant doctor thought his career was over, it probably is.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Jul 5, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darius

is a very talented NBA basketball player. I thought he could come back and so hoped for a long time. Don’t the Blazers have an insurance policy on Miles which would pay most of his salary? If they did, then that ins. co. would have done a very through “independent medical examination” of Miles. Only then when they were convinced of his disability, would the ins co pay (part of) the salary due him.

The salary cap issue would be entirely separate issue from any ins coverage of his salary.

So many here really love to speculate. Miles is a great talent. Apparently Miles still wishes to have a NBA career. If he could play 15 to 20 minutes a game, what a great contribution he could make off Boston’s bench. Boston as mentioned above has several very solid veterans who can easily keep someone like Miles in line. Besides, Miles probably in nowhere as bad a character as Canzano repeatedly tried to make him out to be.

The definition of a columnist is “He is the guy sent out to shoot the wounded.” Sounds like Canzano to me.

by OrygunRod on Jul 4, 2008 8:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Insurance Policy

As I understand, the NBA’s insurance policy pays 80% of a player’s salary and kicks in after the player misses 41 consecutive games due to medical reasons. There is no examination of the player for the policy to come into effect, just consecutive games missed. I’m sure if the league suspected something phony though, they would send out an examiner.

by fat27 on Jul 6, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For insurance to pick up everything, though

The Insurance Companies do have doctors evaluate the patient, or at least evaluate what the other docs have said and done.

Insurance co.’s make sure a big monied guy isn’t just sitting for no reason, and do their own work as well. The definitely do their own investigation into the injury and run their own tests.

So for this to be a conspiracy done by KP to get more cap room, we’d have to have the players union, Darius’ agent, David Stern, random docs of the insurance company, the insurance company itself (who doesn’t wanna eat that much money), the docs agreed upon by the NBA and the players union, everyone associated with the Blazers, and even Darius himself (to ensure he wouldn’t go out somewhere and run and play and dominate healthily) agree not to reveal that Darius is actually okay.

This, of course, isn’t in response to Fat27, but to some of my friends who think the ‘Darius isn’t really that hurt” theory holds any water. There are too many steps and hoops to jump through to get a player deemed medically retired, with competing interests on both sides. Just ‘cause KP and the Blazers want Darius to disappear, doesn’t make it easy (or possible, without a real reason).

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 7, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best of luck to Darius the human being

Human being he is. And as a human being he deserves our well wishes. I would be delighted to see him make a total comeback. He would be a tremendous human interest story. If he made the All Star game they’d feature an interview with him at halftime. They’d show his MRIs and they’d interview his doctors and everything. Of course Darius would attribute his comeback to the Lord, and his humility would be inspiring. All of us would weep a bit, and we’d be proud to say that dude was once a Blazer. Seriously, folks, he’s a human being and we should wish him the very best.

Where have all the flowers gone?

by bilingual octopus on Jul 4, 2008 10:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I will wish him the best

3 years from now

"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."

by 92wastheyear on Jul 5, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celts are trying to sign Correy Maggette (sp)...

...that will take all their midlevel exception, unless they can force a sign and trade.

by khryse22 on Jul 4, 2008 10:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who isn't?

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 5, 2008 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two things

1. For practical purposes, the only year Darius matters to us is 2008-09. After next summer, he can come back on the books for all we care, as we’ll already be capped out.
2. Even at his peak, Darius just wasn’t that good. Poor rebounder. Poor jump shooter. Average passer. He won’t start for Boston and he’s not the kind of player you can fit into spot minutes.

by Engineering Problem on Jul 4, 2008 11:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He seemed pretty much the only scoring option on a really terrible team...

.......................... He was a slasher, which is something the Blazers STILL could use.

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 5, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

(in additon to Z-bo, of course -- he could score...)

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 5, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just look at Boston's depth chart

Who backs up Paul Pierce (who may or may not have sacrificed his meniscus to win the trophy)? That’s right, James Posey and then nobody. Who also backs up Ray Allen at times. Who is now a free agent. Should it surprise anybody that Boston also being far over the cap tries to find decent yet relatively cheap wing players anywhere, and in the process works out a lot of guys? Would a fit Darius Miles be a decent backup? I think yes, so I would be honestly happy for him if he could step on the floor again at such a high level (think Shaun Livingston, who was short of getting his leg amputated, microfracture is almost a piece of cake in comparison) and a little worried for a hefty reduction of our cap space (think Dallas having to pay for the never to be seen again Shawn Bradley and the buyout of Michael Finley until the end of last season).

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 5, 2008 6:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yikes.

That Shaun Livingston clip is the worst injury I have ever seen.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 5, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just excited for Darius

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 5, 2008 2:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If I am NO or LA...

I would definitely look into Miles. I would be scared of Portland and what they could accomplish next off season. If Miles is healthy enough to appear in games, they could easily just play him the last minute or so of already decided games. It would only cost them a small 1 year contract and he might even be able to give you something if you are really lucky. Its essentially just wasting a roster spot and some sofa change(nba-wise) to try and keep a future contender from adding another big time player to an already loaded roster. If either team sees championships in their future, they should really try to screw the blazers over, but I really hope they don’t….

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Jul 5, 2008 3:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Blazers aren't going to sign a big free agent...

................................ they’re gonna pay the stars they’ve got.

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 5, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they can sign another talent and thanks to bird rights

still pay the players they have.

"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown

"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
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by ptwnblzr on Jul 6, 2008 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s not getting signed. Ainge who is already a bad GM who got lucky, would look even dumber for signing Miles who is worthless. I mean this guy wants to be known as a good GM and hope Leon Powe turns into a great player to make himself look good.

If he signs Darius just for that 10 games every GM knows it was only for the purpose of making the Blazers have to put that money on the cap. I guarantee karma will get Ainge. Watch a player with an even worse contract get a career ending injury for Boston, and Portland will be there to sign him for a 10 game contract and put him in for 1 minute a game.

by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 5, 2008 6:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

no 10 game contracts

The NBA doesn’t have “10 game contracts”, they have “10 day contracts”. A team can sign a player to a maximum of two of these contracts in a season. In most cases it takes a team more than 20 days to play 10 games, so Miles would have to be signed for the season, at all or some pro-rated portion of the veteran’s minimum ($1 mil). In Boston’s case, it would cost them twice the vet’s minimum because they are into the luxury tax.

by fat27 on Jul 6, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Worst case... KP's job gets a bit harder.

He would still find a way to put the Blazers in a good position.

by Rake on Jul 6, 2008 1:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the Blazers are prepared to have Miles money on the cap. Having a doctor announce his injury is career ending and putting the Blazers in position to get out of putting that money on the cap is a cherry on top. If the Blazers have to pay they will survive. It’s not like the franchise is depending on that money coming off the books, it would just be really nice.

Honestly, any team that takes Miles is dumb. You don’t want to agitate the Blazers front office, especially considering we have young talent that we might need to trade.

by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 6, 2008 2:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

paybacks are a bitch

Boston is going to sign Magette and Ainge dosent want KP spending any time thinking about how to return the favor with interest for a move that isnt going to help his team.

by southern oregon on Jul 6, 2008 10:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My offer stands

I’ll pay everyone here a dollar if Darius Miles plays enough to put his salary back on Portland’s books. Ain’t gonna happen. Yawn.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jul 7, 2008 6:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

fresh off a championship

and the Celtics are already desperate!

by 50backflips on Jul 7, 2008 11:03 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

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