Questions: Summer '08
Part of the discussion in the "Optipessirealism" post yesterday centered around what questions must this year’s Blazer squad face. We’re still in a preliminary stage and I’m sure we’ll visit this topic again on the eve of the season, but from the mid-summer vantage point these easily come to mind:
1. How healthy will Greg Oden be and how will that affect his progress?
This is by far the #1 issue facing the Blazers this year, to the point that it weighs more than all of the others combined. Oden, a veritable force of nature basketball-wise, will affect the style of play and fortunes of this team more than any other newcomer or any improvement made by incumbent players. This is also an issue that’s impossible to forecast. You know it’s going to be a bumpier road than it would have been without the surgery. The question is, how bumpy? It’s a far different team with Greg Oden playing 30 minutes per night than with him on the bench or in street clothes.
2. How will Oden’s presence plus the addition of more offensive-minded players affect Lamarcus Aldridge’s game?
Lamarcus had a good second season. His future looks amazing. But he’s also the most likely of our Big Three to lose his way this year. Last year he had free rein in the frontcourt, being far and away the #1 option and having the entire court to work with. At times he was the #1 scoring option for the entire team. It won’t be quite the same this year. In theory Oden should occupy opposing defenders, allowing Lamarcus to work one-on-one all night long. In theory Lamarcus should be able to get that mid-range face-up shot he likes. In theory Oden’s rebounding should free Lamarcus to run and jam, which he couldn’t even begin to do last year. The two showed a little bit of passing chemistry when they played together briefly in the 2007 Summer League, so there's hope there. But they also spent a long time feeling each other out and the team offense bogged down into post isolation plays for one or the other. It’s entirely possible that the adjustment could be rocky. Hopefully we’ll lean a ton on Lamarcus offensively anyway and it will pan out, but the issue is open.
3. Will Bayless and Fernandez develop quickly enough to provide scoring pop off the bench?
For all of
4. Who handles the ball and starts the offense?
Steve Blake and Brandon Roy split this duty last year. But now you throw Bayless into the mix, plus you want to get minutes for Rudy, which means finding different spots for
5. Will the backcourt defense be good enough to keep Oden out of foul trouble?
Two of the hardest things to learn for a defensive center are timing and the sense of which shots to block and which to let go. Greg Oden will take a while to develop that. In the meantime we can’t let opposing guards drive down Broadway all night or he’ll have four fouls in the first half of every game. This has been a chronic problem for the Blazers in recent years, ameliorated last year only by our stubborn refusal to get up on our men, thereby forfeiting any chance of forcing turnovers or tempo. Perhaps we’ll grind it out on defense again, but it would be nice to be more aggressive. The pressure is squarely on the guards there. They have to move their feet with alacrity.
6. How will Travis Outlaw and Martell Webster develop, if at all?
Both small forwards showed signs of growth last year. But neither is the player he needs to be yet. We’re leaning heavily on future potential with each. Yet for the team and for these two players the future is approaching like a freight train. This is still a gamble. At least one of them needs to seize the bull by the horns and take the step into reliability this season.
7. How do Channing Frye and Joel Przybilla adjust to their roles?
It’s easy to forget in the light of his recent success, but Joel’s career with the Blazers has been up and down. The ups are cool, but the downs are really low. Joel will begin the transition from being the anchor at the center position to a 12-18 minute a game guy this season, with possibly fewer minutes in seasons to come. How he makes that transition will be critical to his future here. Channing Frye, though a radically different player, is in a similar situation. Lest we forget, he struggled to find his way until exploding the last few weeks of the season…not coincidentally when he was given starter's minutes. He had one double-digit rebounding effort all year until April, when he had three. He had 14 double-figure scoring games in the first 72 games, then rattled off five in a row when his minutes ranged from 29-38 per game. Barring an injury to one of the starters there’s no way he gets anywhere close to that kind of playing time this year. He may not even reach the 17.2 minutes per game he got last year. Can he produce in short stints? We might not need our frontcourt back-ups to be all-world but we can’t afford to have them no-show either.
8. Can the Blazers get some easy buckets and top 100 per game?
There has been no greater lack in the past few years than the paucity of gift-wrapped deuces for the Blazers. No matter how skilled and focused you are, without a little running and some easy hoops you’re eternally in a dogfight. The Blazers played well in the vast majority of their games last year but they never seemed to pull away from an opponent or secure the win until the last minutes. This is exactly why. We don’t have to turn the game into a track meet, but somebody’s got to rebound and somebody’s got to get out and we need 4-6 more unopposed points per game to get the number of victories we’ll need to in order to make the playoffs.
9. Will the team have enough outside shooting?
Brandon Roy is a decent three-point shooter when he takes them but you don’t want him taking a steady diet of those shots. With James Jones gone the burden of hitting deep falls squarely on the shoulders of Martell Webster and Steve Blake, with an assist from Rudy Fernandez if he can make an impact. Both Webster and Blake are capable but both are in the starting five and each faces the prospect of having minutes eaten by rising players behind them. Will those two be enough? Will we get any deep shooting off the bench? You may say (quite correctly) that one of the problems with the offense last season was that we took too many jumpers. This is certainly true, but in order for us to counter that with drives and/or effective post-ups there has to be room. With Oden in the middle more than ever teams will be sagging down on us. The only way to keep them honest and to free up the lane for the likes of
10. What roster moves get made during the next fiscal year?
This team is growing closer to its final form, but it’s not there yet. These players can’t all be kept together forever. Talent will have to be consolidated somewhere. It’s likely we’ll see a move made before next June, perhaps another to follow after the season calendar turns, either via signing or trade. When those moves are made, who will depart and how will the newcomer(s) fit in?
Confidence is high going into the year to be sure. Blazer fans are right to point to the amazing possibilities in our near future. But as you can see there are plenty of issues to be resolved as well. Much of this next season will be spent discovering answers to questions like these, which will in turn determine where we go from there.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Bulls Eye
In a summer filled with awesome and provocative posts, this hits the nail on the head. You’ve captured the concerns without being angst-filled.
The only context my Blazer thoughts can go with these questions is in comparison to other teams. What happens When Oden faces Boston? Can their big 3 shut down ours? When Bayless tore up the SL, how will that translate to prime time? As each question ticks down I can’t help but get more excited about this next season.
Thanks for capturing the drama with these questions!
by dvcastle on
Jul 31, 2008 12:44 AM PDT
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The suspense is terrible. I hope it will last.
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by Sabonis4Ever on
Jul 31, 2008 12:53 AM PDT
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I think the suspense has lasted quite long enough.
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!
by LaMarvelous on
Jul 31, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
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Nice, one of my favorite quotes (and characters) ever.
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by TheThinWhiteDuke on
Jul 31, 2008 10:06 PM PDT
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#4
Questions of bench scoring. A very legitimate question. My hope is that to start, we will be getting it from different spots all the time. It could be one of those situations (like a good baseball team) where in the post game the sweat is pouring off of a different players’ brow in the interview with R. Harlow saying, “I don’t know!? We’re just a young group of guys who trust each other, and we’ll ride whoever is hot whatever night!” That’s the dream of course…
It puts the lotion on the skin...or else it gets the hose!
by courtsideerrandboy on
Jul 31, 2008 1:01 AM PDT
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ROY
I do feel very comfortable knowing that through all the developmental chaos we have B ROY to steady the ship. I have all the confidence in him to be the facilitator.
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by courtsideerrandboy on
Jul 31, 2008 1:23 AM PDT
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Self Reflection
1. No comment
2. I agree that the potential rythm, teamwork, and flow of the duo in the frontcourt is promising. I’m excited! Timing is critical and time w/ experience should lead to a plentiful bounty. I hope it only takes half the season to show me their true worth. It wouldn’t suprise me though if it only took a handful of games.
3. My read is that we shouldn’t lose too much with the Bayless Jack swap. To me it’s kinda like a coin flip. Should be more fun to see somethin new thats fo sure. My two questions with Roldolfo is whether or not he can find his shot three feet back while opponents are expecting him to fire. Also whether he can a least be willing enough to through his body in front of attackers.
4.LOVE “the point of attack”. I love that we have so many different options and styles to bring it hoome. The “muli-pronged” analogy was spot on. Agreed that we may be wanting a True PG, but as long as Bayless can play some average D Roy will more easily find his role in creating his team.
5. That gave me a good perspective. Thank you!
6. Thoughy I’m gonna see who wants it more that’s for sure.
7. I’m a little nervous on channings situation, but he’s wise and he likes it here. So i don’t doubt his witt and will. As for Pryzbilla I hope he perceives his future to be bright. I know I see it.
8. I was watching the old highlight games that are being shown this summer, and I’m seeing them in the 120’s 130’s! Lots of chalupas. These years are going to make me fat. Oh well what better remember to greatness by than something sicking to you all the time.
9. Again my Rudy dilema. Aggghhh Martell why must I depend on you so. As for travis; he started steppin outside the lines a few times. Maybe he should eat our chalupas. “Think outside the bun.”
10. But where should we grab? The true question of it all.
by littleharry96 on
Jul 31, 2008 1:19 AM PDT
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This is probably very unpopular...
But I think Bayless is the trade piece we’ve been needing in order to preserve our core. Don’t get me wrong, I think he is gonne be a great talent in this league, but he might be more valuable to us if he can net us a solid vet and more flexibility…
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by Outlaw is Rejector on
Jul 31, 2008 1:24 AM PDT
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ARGH
This will be the temptation we must resist. That guy is a rockstar … we trade him at our peril. He will be the yellowcake, the fission material, the oowee gewie to Brandon.
In the name of all that is Holy, allow the Bayless face to become (in time) the 4th part of the trinity (Oden, Aldridge and Roy).
by dvcastle on
Jul 31, 2008 1:43 AM PDT
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I dont want him traded at all
but he is definately our highest value player that could be moved.
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by Outlaw is Rejector on
Jul 31, 2008 2:38 AM PDT
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hate it, but I agree completely
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by Y5k on
Jul 31, 2008 6:08 AM PDT
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KP is a tradeaholic
But he’s not moving Bayless before he sees what he’s got. I would actually disagree and say the highest value piece that could conceivably be moved is Rudy. I don’t think that would happen, either (particularly when so much effort was put in to bring Rudy over, and so many assurances made). But Bayless is the long term answer (potentially) across from Roy, and there’s no other option right now (unless Blake or Sergio figures in). By contrast, it’s difficult to see Rudy as anything other than scoring punch off the bench (not that that’s not valuable). The only way he could ever start or play crunch time minutes consistently is if Roy can guard the three spot (which is possible, depending on matchups, but might wear him down long term – would it be worth that risk?).
The guys who could realistically be moved, in order of likelihood are:
-Webster or Trout: because they have weaknesses on D that might never be fixed, and the three spot is the most likely to get upgraded in a trade, so there wouldn’t be room for both. Not sure which is more likely to go. Probably depends on what type of three guy is being brought in. I’m sure KP would rather swap Webster.
-Frye: wouldn’t like to see it, but it could easily happen. Has some skill, size, and decent value around the league. Love him off the bench at the 4 or the 5, though. The fact that he replicates LA is not necessarily as bad of a thing as most think.
-Sergio: value seems to be limited. Hopefully he can play well early, open some eyes, and then get shipped out before his minutes get completely eaten up by Bayless.
-Pryz: his value seems to be decent, but he’s perceived as necessary to back up Oden. I know people like him, but I would most like to see him go. Most people don’t believe it, but the numbers indicate Frye is better as a back-up center.
-Rudy: probably not happening, like I said, but for the reasons mentioned above, I think he’s the highest value piece that would be in legitimate consideration.
Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.
by KP Corleone on
Jul 31, 2008 8:03 AM PDT
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Przy
If you trade Joel, you better get a backup center in return. The 5 spot is like the 1, you have to be 2-3 deep or you’re screwed if one goes down. Frye ISN’T naturally a backup center (he has said so), and without Joel, what would we do if GO has to rest his knee a few games?
by MavetheGreat on
Jul 31, 2008 8:40 AM PDT
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Frye played center all last year, though.
Technically, at least. Nine of the ten most common five man units featuring Frye had him as the center. The most common of these was the first unit (other than Pryz), which was much more effective when Frye was on the court (compare its offensive and defensive efficiency with Frye and Pryz). In 285 minutes with Frye, that unit scored 112 pts per 100 possessions and gave up 103. In 570 minutes with Pryz, the same four guys scored 107 per 100 possessions and gave up 105. (Also, in general, the Blazers were about 4.3 points per 100 possessions better last year with Frye than Pryz.)
Granted, however, Nate may have stayed away from putting Frye in the lineup at center against opposing guys he couldn’t match up with. It would be a little different if Frye was the only option and had to fill in regardless of matchup. That’s how I think Pryz should be used – as a defensive specialist at the C spot, when necessary. But if somebody’s got to go to bring in a solid defender at the three spot, I think Frye, overall, is more valuable.
Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.
by KP Corleone on
Jul 31, 2008 8:56 AM PDT
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Cool stats
Where does one dig that stuff up?
by dvcastle on
Jul 31, 2008 9:29 AM PDT
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Still
I just failed to find a video I watched this summer where Frye was working on this 3-pt shot, but its out there! Anyway, in it he expressed his excitement about getting to play his natural position with Greg back. Channing is 3rd on the depth chart at center. Regardless, my original point was that you can’t have enough big men-especially when their health is in question.
by MavetheGreat on
Jul 31, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
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Agreed.
And yeah, I think Channing prefers not to bang with the 5s, definitely.
Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.
by KP Corleone on
Jul 31, 2008 10:29 AM PDT
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Rudy
I believe that Rudy and Sergio are potentially the trade bait. Rudy may be an excellent player, but I see Bayless catching up fairly quickly, maybe even this season. Who really knows how good either of those players will be in the NBA though…maybe they will be starting with Roy coming off the bench (sarcasm). I would be more sure of this if Koponen was signed.
by clonigro on
Jul 31, 2008 9:07 AM PDT
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If Oden is the stud that everyone thinks he is...
Then Pryzbilla is just a luxury. (He is one of my favorite players.) But he’d be a valuable piece at the trade deadline.
LMA can stay in the game to give Oden some rest. Diogu could work very well with LMA. Then Frye could come in with Oden.
I think that these 4 are terrific together and could be together a long time.
by parkinglotj on
Jul 31, 2008 10:40 AM PDT
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Przy is a luxury
that we can’t afford not to have. If Oden goes down, no way LMA, Frye, or Diogu are good solutions to back him up. Przybilla isn’t going anywhere.
by jamon51 on
Jul 31, 2008 12:15 PM PDT
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Agreed.
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by Y5k on
Jul 31, 2008 12:17 PM PDT
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I'd trade him right now for Aaron Brooks, TJ Ford, or Mario Chalmers
by tominhawaii on
Jul 31, 2008 8:54 AM PDT
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But would Brandon?
Roy said he’d rather play with someone who didn’t demand the quarterback role all the time. Because Brandon isn’t a Drexler then we don’t need a Porter.
by dvcastle on
Jul 31, 2008 9:39 AM PDT
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But Bayless is a running back
Once he gets the ball, he doesn’t give it up.
by tominhawaii on
Jul 31, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
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Then you are saying ...
... that Jerryd has no point guard tendencies at all?
by dvcastle on
Jul 31, 2008 10:48 AM PDT
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He'll Learn and will probably get a lot of playing time this season
I’m just going off the summer league, just like everyone else, so I could be wrong. Right now he seems like a charging bull. How will Nate reign in that score first mentality, because it seems like Jerryd does it really well.
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---Questionaire---
1. How healthy will Greg Oden be and how will that affect his progress?
I expect Greg to play between 25 and 35 minutes a night, and I’d be surprised if we didn’t see a dominant defensive player. I however, will not expect as much on the offensive end, especially right away. He will have problems early on getting more than the semi-regular put backs and dunks. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’ll eventually be a 20 point a night type guy, but I don’t expect him to fill that role in full until 2-3 years into his NBA career.
2. How will Oden’s presence plus the addition of more offensive-minded players affect Lamarcus Aldridge’s game?
This kind of goes in contrast to the previous question. While I don’t expect Oden to be the man offensively next year, I expect that teams will be forced to use their more physical, and perhaps better overall defender on Oden, leaving more opps for Aldridge to get even better looks than last year. Lets face it, LMA was other teams low post focus defensively, and he still averaged 18 points per game. I expect him to at the very least keep his points on par with last years level, except this year he’ll be able to do it an improved clip (efficiency wise).
3. Will Bayless and Fernandez develop quickly enough to provide scoring pop off the bench?
This is the easiest question in my opinion. Both of these players in my mind, will be able to score immediately coming into the league. While both of these players have many questions about their style of play, and their defensive reliability, there is no question in my mind that both can put the ball in the basket. I’d be surprised if Bayless doesn’t match Randy Foye’s rookie year numbers (20 minutes – 10ppg). Rudy is a guy that can shoot lights out, yet still has the quickness and finishing ability to keep defenders honest. As far as scoring pop goes, these two guys will more than fill James Jones and Jarrett Jacks production.
4. Who handles the ball and starts the offense?
Alright, the basics are obvious. Roy has the ball in his hands all of crunch time. He’s the guy thats going to make this thing go when it counts the most. The problem, or rather, situation, is who is going to help relieve Roy of these duties for the other half of the game (24 minutes). Steve has proven to be capable of running the basic offense. His talent limitations aside, he can be counted on for stretches to be that competent point that runs things, and is able to get the right person involved at the right time. Probably the hottest topic of this offseason is whether Bayless can help in this regard at all, and while the eventual answer may be yes, the immediate answer is more likely no, or at least, not for any substantial stretches. I’m in the camp of Sergio seeing some time on the court this year, specifically for this purpose. After Blake, Sergio is the only sure thing we have at controlling the ball like an actual PG. He’s also the most capable of running a fast break type offense. I think to maximize the talent differential between our backups and other teams backups, you have to increase the number of possessions the backups are on the court for. And given the limited minutes in which to do this, you have to maximize that time by running and creating more possessions per minute (Sergio should see 5-10 mpg).
5. Will the backcourt defense be good enough to keep Oden out of foul trouble?
In a round about way yes. Its not that we have great backcourt defense, although I believe Roy is very good in that respect, the rest of our players are at best decent, and mostly unproven. The reason I see it being good enough, is that I don’t see Oden playing more than 30 minutes per game regardless of his foul situation. He should be able to play physical and remain on the court for at least that amount of minutes.
6. How will Travis Outlaw and Martell Webster develop, if at all?
Odds are good that one or the other should improve. I’d bank on Travis’ set of skills being more important to the future of this team than Martell’s set of skills. Hopefully it’ll be Travis, and specifically Travis’ reliability in team defense that earns him the keeper title.
7. How do Channing Frye and Joel Przybilla adjust to their roles?
Channing averaged 17 minutes per game last year. There will be no real role change needed. I think he’s comfortable with his role. Przy on the other hand, will have a role change this year, and it most likely will entail a slight drop in minutes, and a spot coming off the bench as opposed to starting. Personally, he’s never struck me as a guy that would complain about such a thing. If anything it’ll help extend his career, and will help him secure a permanent spot on a championship caliber team. These are the two guys I have the most faith in to assume their roles without conflict. Hopefully I’m not wrong.
8. Can the Blazers get some easy buckets and top 100 per game?
This is more of a numbers game. 13 of the 30 teams in the NBA averaged over 100 points per game. We had one of the lowest paces in the entire league last year. Even if Nate only slightly increases our pace, we’ll have a shot at it. Everyone on the team can run and score. Almost everyone on the team can shoot, and a lot of players can score with the clock stopped. 4th quarters will again last forever with this team. I think 100 is pretty deadly accurate with this squad. Do I get knocked for pushing?
9. Will the team have enough outside shooting?
Absolutely. Everyone on the team 1-3 can shoot from distance. Although not preferable, it started looking like even LMA would be able to hit the 3 before too long.
Blake (check)
Bayless (check)
Roy (check)
Rudy (check)
Webster (check)
Outlaw (check)
10. What roster moves get made during the next fiscal year?
Probably 2 moves, 1 minor, and 1 permanent. My most desired outsiders include Shane Battier, Devin Harris, Mike Miller and Tayshaun Prince.
by as11osu on
Jul 31, 2008 1:25 AM PDT
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3 point shooters
Blake (check)
Bayless (check)
Roy (check)
Rudy (check)
Webster (check)
Outlaw (check)
I would break these names into a couple categories
Proven 3 pt shooters:
Blake + Webster
“Pick their spots” 3 pt shooters:
Roy + Outlaw
Unproven 3 pt shooters:
Rudy + Bayless + Frye (he’s been working on it this offseason)
There’s a difference between good outside shooters (efficient) and streaky outside shooters (miss a lot, but make some). Outlaw and Roy on down the list likely would shoot a paltry percentage if they took as many threes as Martell.
by MavetheGreat on
Jul 31, 2008 8:51 AM PDT
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actually
I would break it down even further, based on 07-08 stats.
Proven 3pt Shooters:
Blake (40.6%, 1.5 made on 3.7 attempts per game)
Webster (38.8%, 1.6 – 4.2)
“Pick their spots” 3pt Shooters:
Roy (34.0%, 1.0 – 2.9)
Not Actually a 3pt Shooter:
Outlaw (39.6%, 0.5 – 1.2)
Unproven:
Everyone else listed
I don’t think you can consider Travis to be a 3pt shooter of any kind when he attempts barely more than 1 shot from range per game. That’s beyond “picks his spots”—a lot of those attempts could even be desperation shots to beat the clock at the end of a broken play, or half-court heaves to beat the buzzer. A guy who makes half a three-pointer (a 1.5 pointer?) per game is not a three point shooter.
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Jul 31, 2008 12:10 PM PDT
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Travis picking spots
was him standing on the line, time and time again. Only at the tail end of the season did he start to look down move his toe back 2-3 inches and start drilling 3’s instead of 2s.
by NWfan on
Jul 31, 2008 12:14 PM PDT
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yes, and no
While it’s true that Travis took more attempts in April than in any other month (22, and in only 8 games), his percentage was actually lower than his season average—36.4%, down from 39.2%. In that month, he had 8 makes from range, or 1 per game, which put him two ahead of Martell (6 for April). However, Martell only played 1 game that month. Going back one month to March, we see that Travis shot 55.6% from three, his second-best monthly split on the year—however, this was on 5-9 shooting over 15 games. In fact, almost the entirety of Travis’s March output comes from the 3/29 Charlotte game, when he caught fire and went 4/6 from deep (and had 26 points overall).
To answer MavetheGreat’s comment below, which appeared while I was typing this: comparing Outlaw’s pre- and post-ASG splits shows a small increase: 0.4/1.1 per game vs. 06./1.4 per game (hitting at effectively the same percentage). The split I find most telling is: as a reserve, Travis was 0.4/1.1 per game; as a starter, however, his attempts increased threefold to 1.1/3.3 per game. To me, this suggests that Travis’s increased 3-point output in the last month of the year was not due to him changing his position on the court, but rather changing his role on the team, since he was starting in place of Webster. As the coaching staff has noted, the offensive game plan relies on the small forward to spread the floor and shoot from the outside.
So, if we assume that Travis’s main role throughout the year was to create for himself off the bench (as the coaching staff has suggested he was encouraged to do), and that in the course of this, he took largely the shots he wanted, then it seems that the three-pointer is not a shot he wanted to take regularly. Travis did not even attempt a 3-pointer in 30 of his 82 games, or 36.6% of the time. He also has a large number of 0-1 games (20), which could fall into the category of desperation heaves or broken plays, as I mentioned earlier. In total, Travis failed to hit a single three in 68% of his games—over two-thirds of the time! For comparison: Webster had 0 attempts in only 5 games played, and 0 makes in 20% of his games played; Blake had 0 attempts in only 4 games, and 0 makes in 25.9% of his appearances; Roy had 0 attempts in only 6 games, and had 0 makes in 39.2% of his appearances.
To me, this suggests that Outlaw last season was not a three-point shooter, except when explicitly told to be one, as a starter. The fact that he hit at a decent rate is a positive, but this was over a six-game split. Can he be relied upon for a whole season? Will he even want to shoot that much coming off the bench, where his role is different? After examining this in more detail, I am changing my evaluation of Outlaw’s classification as a 3-point shooter to Unproven.
by abdelnaby on
Jul 31, 2008 1:36 PM PDT
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I like it
except I think if you split the season in half you’d see that Outlaw’s attempts went up in the later part of the year as NWfan has alluded to (I think).
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Jul 31, 2008 1:02 PM PDT
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Jeez, man --- You should have asked more questions; broadened the scope
Anyway, #7 is easy on paper, but in reality could be tougher:
Priz is there when Oden gets in foul trouble or tired or (heaven forbid) hurt.
Channing has the same role for LaMarcus.
Will they like that? no. Is that how it’s going to go? Yes.
#4 will be Nate’s big job early in the season. You spend all that time and $ getting the players you want, now what to do with ‘em?
#1, I see - insomuch as anyone can predict - Oden being just fine this year.
#2—Looking for Aldridge to have an All-Star season (or close to) with the added inside help.
Great questions, by the way?
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by Y5k on
Jul 31, 2008 6:08 AM PDT
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Thoughts
It will certainly take the 40 games that KP commented on for the team to begin to gel, and for some of these questions to be answered. However, I suspect that several are already being answered, if we listen to KP and Roy, for example.
1. Blake and Roy start. This is the stable basis. However, Roy, after watching Bayless in 3 summer league games, commented the other day on Bayless, as well as his own play to date with Blake. It’s a good read, because it simply confirms what KP has been saying as well. Bayless is a good ball handler and can bring it up the floor. Then he passes off to Roy in many sets, goes into motion, and Roy will then run and executes the plays. Bayless will guard, and in most cases be guarded by the other teams PG, where his size, strength and leaping ability will often give him mismatches. There is no dispute over how Roy will play with Bayless. There was some conflict over how Roy plays with Blake, because Mac and Roy want the ball in Roy’s hands much of the time when plays are being run – and Blake, a pure PG, had to adjust to that. Bayless is considered to be complementary to Roy – and Roy clearly believes they’ll mesh together well. Granted, they need to play together, but there’s nothing anyone has seen that doesn’t confirm the relative skills of both players as related to this scenerio.
2. In terms of Oden, I don’t necessarily take the “in theory” perspective of whether or not the other teams center can ignore him, play off, and double Aldridge. That fly’s in the face of Oden’s college track record (no one could do that then), as well as the fact that he spent the last year perfecting his hook using both hands. Further, there’s no doubt that he’s a powerful man, and can take it to the basket if the other team lets him go there. The NCAA championship with Florida had them double and triple teaming Oden all night with three players, all Juniors, two of which, Noah and Horton are 6’10”/245 and 6’11”/235 and are in the NBA. One, Horford, averaged 12.6ppg and 10.6 rpg, and the other, Noah, averaged 6.6ppg and 5.6rpg. Yet he still put 25 points/12 rebounds on the board. There is, at least in my mind, no theory here at all. There’s a reason Oden was a concensus #1, and why Jerry West and other GM’s were furious when the Blazers got the #1 pick. You get one shot or so every 10 years at a center like Oden. Now some of us may think Jerry and the rest of these GM’s don’t know their craft – but not me. You fail to guard Oden – and he’ll make you pay. He’s now 285, not 255. He’s more muscled. He’s more powerful than many of the opposing centers. He’s got a learning curve on blocks/fouls, but he’ll roast you inside if you leave him open.
As far as the rest, there are certainly relevant and pertinent points. Bayless has to grow his game, Oden has to play, and the SF’s have to begin to truly step up. However, since the two targeted at SF garnered 24 ppg between them last year, I’m not as concerned about this spot as some.
As far as Bayless being trade bait. That’s a stretch. To start with, we don’t know what we need yet – if anything. Further, if you read Roy/KP’s comments, the Blazers are “not” going to ever draft a pure point, as long as they keep Roy. So, if you want a pure point, then Roy will be your trade bait to get him – not Bayless. The most likely spot will be SF. However, at that spot, you start with the player you want to replace. Then, you look at cap space and other pieces. At the same time – look at the market this year. Artest did not command a “front line” player. Jackson is a back up and Green and the #1 are bottom 10 #1’s. Brand/Maggette/Davis/Camby commanded no front line players in trades. Childress went to Europe. It’s a money game, as much as a “player” game.
by Eben Calder on
Jul 31, 2008 6:20 AM PDT
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Goood stuff
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by Y5k on
Jul 31, 2008 7:06 AM PDT
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Brilliant post
Agree with every word. I love revisiting Oden vs Florida and your insights on why the rest of the league went into crybaby mode when we got him. We’ll see why in a couple months!
by dvcastle on
Jul 31, 2008 9:50 AM PDT
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More on Oden but regarding his blocks
Everyone assumes Oden will be in foul trouble. I watched some Youtube of Oden from the McDonalds all-american game someone else here posted and noticed some thing about odens blocks. He gets them by playing off the balla bit, and not always by manning up on D. THe reason he got the blocks is that he can cover gound fast and get high in the air to block the shot. Fouls come more often when your inclose on your man and you incidentily get a piece of arm and maybe some ball. Oden doesn’t seem to play D that way. he can give space and still make the play. That is a huge part of what makes him special. The same attributes that make him a monster on offense make him awesome on defense.
Now on to Oden playing with Lma. Last year Lma was often hesitant in the low post waiting to see if the double was coming before making a move. If the double came (most of the time) he gave up the ball. I think with Oden on the floor, you won’t see Lma being nearly as cautious; cause that double won’t be coming (ever). If they go loco and double anyway you can sure as heck bet that Aldirge can find Oden for the easy slam or a wide open shooter out on the wing (cause his defender was the double). Having that second low post threat will smooth our offense especially as it concerns going throu LMA as the initial option.
by NWfan on
Jul 31, 2008 11:10 AM PDT
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Nandez and Bayless
I think as fans we are over estimating these two guys. To expect Bayless to be as good as Jack, is ok, but to expect more than 10 pts a game is a bit of a much. Nandez is to replace J Jones, at least for scoring, and that will be a tall task. Not that 8 pts a game is that daunting, but james helped spread the floor. I don’t thing Rudy will be as deadly at first from the corners. Also, I think the first time Rudy drives the lane, and runs into a Tyson Chandler or Tim Duncan, he will be a pull up jumper the rest of night (dude, he is 165 lbs, he gives up 100lbs to those big guys.) Our best hope for bench production is on Outlaw and Frye. Not bad options off the bench, but they will need to keep us in the game night in and night out. Overall, I feel Frye will be the one to step his game up. He knows he only gets 15-22 min per game, and he will make the best of it. Last year he had a tough task in replacing Joel P when he got in foul trouble. Now he is back to the 4 position, and will have less to worry about with Greg or Joel with him out on the floor. Look for Frye to be our second best bench player behind Outlaw.
by bad karma on
Jul 31, 2008 8:09 AM PDT
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The most pressing question wasn't mentioned.
Will Batum’s new nickname – Nicolas “Boom Boom” Batum – (ingeniously coined by 92wastheyear) stick? I think it’s pretty clear that a trip to the WC Finals, if not the NBA Finals, rests in the balance. It makes the issue of Oden’s health seem trivial by comparison.
How can you lose when you know, in the back of your head, there’s a guy named Boom Boom in the D-league ready to be called up as reinforcements at a moment’s notice? It’s like having the Coast Guard on standby in a bar fight. Just impossible not to be comforted.
Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.
by KP Corleone on
Jul 31, 2008 9:04 AM PDT
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OK.
My first thought was of Freddie “Boom Boom” Washington.
“Hi there…”
by DonkeyShins on
Jul 31, 2008 12:29 PM PDT
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Good stuff, Dave
Personally, I have a list of questions that actually will be answered by the time that the regular season rolls around – my ‘summertime’ list:
1) Will Koponen be offered a contract?
2) Will Webster be offered an extension? If so, will he take it?
3) Will Frye be offered an extension? If so, will he take it?
4) Will Diogu be offered an extension? If so, will he take it?
5) Will the Blazers keep the current roster intact for the start of the regular season? Or will the opportunity for a trade present itself during the next couple of months? (Josh Smith or another restricted FA having trouble getting a new contract?) Might the Blazers take the unlikely step of actually using their MLE on a free agent? Or will we see the cast of characters that we now know as ‘the team’ on the court on Opening Night.
Many of Dave’s questions stretch into the regular season. I can’t think that far ahead – so each of my questions will be answered by Nov. 1.
by Storyteller on
Jul 31, 2008 9:06 AM PDT
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geez
All this reality is really bumming me out! What happened to all the “we’re going to win 71 games and sweep the entire playoffs for the next 10 years” talk?
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by mark twain on
Jul 31, 2008 9:08 AM PDT
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Reality sucks
Thats why I live in a fantasy world.
by southern oregon on
Jul 31, 2008 10:20 AM PDT
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NBA Live, baby!
Or 2k, whatever your preference (I’m a PC gamer so I’m stuck with Live).
by jamon51 on
Jul 31, 2008 12:20 PM PDT
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That is why I am a dedicated Blazer Homer!
We will G.O. deep into the playoffs – Book It!
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!
by LaMarvelous on
Jul 31, 2008 12:42 PM PDT
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As far as moves
It’s pretty clear the this is Webster and Outlaw’s year. One or both of them will be gone after this year.
While Frye keepspopping up in trade scenarios who will be able to back up LA if he is injured other than Frye. Who will backk up Pryz if he is injured other than Frye. Who will backfill pryze’s minutes at #2 center if Oden is injured or in early foul trouble other than Frye?
I think Frye, despite the fact that he seems low on the depth chart when minutes are being handed out, is an essential piece of the puzzle right now. Unless you bring in another 4 with good hands, a soft shooting touch, better rebounding and defense than Frye, Frye isn’t going anywhere.


