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Waaaay OT: NBA Team Identities: A Modest Proposal

When pondering the whole Sonics/Oklahoma City debacle, one is hard-pressed to find any positive developments that have emerged as a result of that whole sordid mess. However, following weeks of tortuous cogitation, I was finally able to come up with one. The news that the City of Seattle was able to retain the rights to the Sonic name helps to further the precedent set by the City of Cleveland who prohibited Art Modell from taking the Browns’ name when he moved the team to Baltimore. This is a good thing. It sends a message to those greedy, carpet bagging owners that says “You may steal my team, but keep your filthy hands off our unique, regional identity.”

 

This further got me to wondering as to ways in which the league might redress those instances of team identity theft that predate the Cleveland precedent. More tortuous cogitation led me to formulate a few modest ideas that I’d like to share with you here.

 

Let’s start with the most egregious case of all: The Utah Jazz. Did I miss something here? When did the Mormon Tabernacle Choir start getting’ all jiggy with blue notes, modal improvisation and syncopated beats? No, this name can not - must not - stand. Accordingly, I hereby entreat league officials to mandate that Utah immediately trade the name back to its city of origin: New Orleans. Y’know, the land where jazz was born. In return, the New Orleans franchise will send the naming rights of its NBA franchise – the Hornets - to Utah, whose state nickname conveniently happens to be “The Beehive State.” Now, what could be more fitting than that?

 

That one was easy. Unfortunately, other instances don’t readily lend themselves to such a neatly packaged solution. But forge on we must. We’ll now consider the case of the Bedge’s most collectively detested team. Other than the Utah Jazz, is their any more inappropriately named NBA franchise than the L.A. Lakers?  I mean, c’mon, L.A. scarcely has a drop of freshwater that it doesn’t steal from either Northern California or the Colorado River. Lakes? What lakes? Other than Veronica, this town has never had one of their own that I can think of.

 

Unfortunately, returning the name to its place of origin in Minneapolis may not prove so simple. Yeah, Minnesota’s got lakes. I’ve seen the license plate; they got like 100,000 – or is it 1,000 - or maybe it’s 10,000… hell, I can never remember. Anyway, they got lots of ‘em. So many that they probably don’t need one more. Especially not one that’s been polluted by all those years in L.A. I’m guessing the people of Minnesota will opt to pass and stick with their Timberwolves – more Lake Woebegone than Lake Show - but hey, at least they won’t be assuming responsibility for a Superfund site that’s been thoroughly contaminated with Kobalt Selfate. For the scientifically challenged, that’s a known carcinogen.

 

OK, we’ve determined that the Laker moniker shouldn’t remain in L.A. and it can’t go back to Minny, so where do we send it? How about to Milwaukee, a city which rests on the shores of one of America’s most polluted lakes already! And in exchange, the good people of Wisconsin can reciprocate by shipping the Bucks name to a city where the ostentatious display of wealth is regarded as one of the paramount virtues. It would also be an apt name for a franchise who’s never been averse to spending its way to success.

 

Finally, there is one more situation that is just crying to be addressed. This one concerns the team that once played its home games in Vancouver. No, not the place that Portlanders go to avoid paying Oregon taxes, but the one up in Canada. I’ve heard it’s pretty wild up there and there they still got savage beasts roaming around. Y’know, like the grizzly bears that their erstwhile pro hoops team was named after. But then that team moved to Tennessee where I think the most recent grizzly sighting occurred on the day that Daniel Boone shot the last one. So, yeah, the Memphis Grizzlies name? Gotta go.

 

I’m thinking a suitable destination would be Sacramento. Not exactly grizzly country either, but there is one on the State flag. That’s more than you’re ever gonna find in Memphis, chum. In exchange, Memphis gets to honor Elvis, perhaps their most famous native son, by renaming their hoop team with the appellation by which he was commonly known. The real problem here lies in persuading the Sactos to relinquish that Kings nickname. Given the growing acceptance of the “unitary executive” concept as well as the sitting governor’s somewhat autocratic tendencies, the California capital may be loath to part with a name that so neatly encapsulates the current zeitgeist. The league may just have to step in here and convince them that a name swap would be for the greater good. If that don’t work, David Stern can go all “unitary executive” on ‘em himself. In the end, I’m pretty sure the Governor would understand.

 

Well, I’ve prattled on long enough. There’s surely some Darius Miles news breaking somewhere that requires my immediate attention.  But I just wanted to put these ideas out for your perusal and possible discussion. I am in the process of drafting an online petition on this matter that I will eventually be forwarding to the Commissioner’s Office. I hope that once you’ve read this, you will consider signing it.

  

 

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by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 30, 2008 4:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the idea of the thread

the utah n.o trade is solid…but cant we just get rid of some altogether..
Especially recently acquired one. Memphis has no history with the Grizzlies. How bout the Memphis Hounddogs.. people in memphis sure do love them some Elvis

Los Angeles Lady Starlets

both the Bucks and Wolves are appropriate in my opinion

Shaniqua don't live here no more... Is Shaniqua there, HELL NO!

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 30, 2008 4:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HA!

LA Lady Starlets!!!
or maybe Los Angeles Dolled-up Trannies?

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by Y5k on Jul 31, 2008 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, had almost the same ideas for the Memphis Kings and of course the Jazz must go back to New Orleans.

LA Bucks. Now that’s funny, just this deer logo has to go and be replaced by a Benjamin ;-)

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by Norsktroll on Jul 30, 2008 4:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jus swap Lakers and Jazz

that’s a good start. There is a lake in Utah. There is Jazz in LA (probly crappy) but Jazz.

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by 92wastheyear on Jul 30, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

jazz in LA

LA has one of the best jazz scenes in the country, and has always been a musical hotbed when it comes to jazz.

by kickbrass on Jul 31, 2008 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chet Baker ...

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by Y5k on Aug 1, 2008 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most everythang, of course

But just as a side note, since it involves basketball and the NBA, it’s not off topic. This is as on topic as anything, since it’s about what we love: NBA basketball, it’s fantastical!

Utah and NO switching names almost makes too much sense. It boggles the mind how perfectly it fits. I’m sure everyone in NO would love it, and I bet everyone in Utah thinks jazz is too risque and leads to necrophilia. Everyone is happy.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 30, 2008 5:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It does, Jazz 'n love'n the dead

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by Y5k on Jul 31, 2008 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DIdn't NO really used to be called the Jazz? Isn't that where the name originally come from

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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 31, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a little lost on this one: Are you using the sarcasm font or not?
If not, then yes, the New Orleans Jazz featured a randy young star named Pistol Pete Maravich (sp?) who was one of the greatest shooters/passers/competitors ever in sports.

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by Y5k on Jul 31, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LA Gangsters

Sounds good, fits the team, make it happen!

by Addition by Subtraction on Jul 30, 2008 6:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

no!!!!!!!

24 hour L@ker coverage would kill me. Besides how would I get to go to a blazer game at staples..?

Shaniqua don't live here no more... Is Shaniqua there, HELL NO!

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 31, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the old days

There were Grizz in Sac but never in Memphis and Sac never had a king.

by southern oregon on Jul 30, 2008 7:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To answer your second question

The Tabernacle choir starting getting all jiggy with blue notes, modal improvisation and syncopated beats back in August of 1847. So clearly they have a claim to the name.

by tingeyga on Jul 30, 2008 8:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cool

Was that before or after David Lee Roth discovered he was Jewish and left the band?

by knickfan on Jul 30, 2008 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simmons has been pushing the NO Jazz for years

He said they should do a winner-take-all game, where the winner gets to keep the name. It is the most ill-fitting name in sports. It’s entirely possible there’s not a single person in the history of the State of Utah who’s ever listened to jazz. Likely, even.

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Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.

by KP Corleone on Jul 30, 2008 9:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I had no idea Gene Simmons was that interested in the topic. Man, a real jack-of-all trades that fellow is.

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by Y5k on Jul 31, 2008 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention

the word jazz comes from a style of piano playing in southern[lets be polite] clubs.This cant sit well with the Utah elders and I hope they conitue to choke on it.

by southern oregon on Jul 30, 2008 11:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem of the NO Hornets passing their nickname

to any one is it was originally the nickname for the Charlotte team that moved to NO, According the Wikipedia : “Originally, the new team was to be named the Charlotte Spirit, but another name-the-team contest yielded “Hornets” as the winning choice. The name derived from the city’s fierce resistance to British occupation during the Revolutionary War, which prompted Lord General Cornwallis to refer to it as “a veritable nest of hornets.’ ” “Hornets” has great history behind it.

The owner of the NO Hornets is probably too cheap to buy the name Jazz back from the Utah Jazz even if they would sell it. If Utah would sell, then what should their name be?

“Choirboys” just doesn’t have that ring to it.

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by OrygunRod on Jul 31, 2008 1:13 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Three way trade

We could have the NO Jazz, the Charlotte Hornets, and the Utah Bobcats. That make even more sense to me.

@('.')@

by JTDuck22 on Jul 31, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How 'bout

the Polygamists?

Lotta syllables, I know. But revenues from the T-Shirt and jersey sales would be outta sight!

by knickfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shorten it to the POLYS

Like KNICKERBOCKERS turns into KNICKS.

Or, the Utah ‘Mists? For Polyga-mist? That can be the WNBA team’s name. Mist is known to be the feminine form of water.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 31, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Utah Kiss'n Cousins

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by Y5k on Jul 31, 2008 7:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Clippers to Seattle

Before the OKC move with Seattle retaining the Sonics name, I thought the Clippers in Seattle would be ideal. Seattle and the Clippers maritime theme would fit great (Mariners? Sounders?). Besides, the Clips need a new owner and a new city. I’ve got to imagine it’s a little disheartening to be a Clippers fan at a home game with Kobe jerseys being hawked.

by lukeyhere on Jul 31, 2008 9:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I was thinking the Clippers would be a good name for the OKC franchise. Not so much for its maritime connotations, but for its alternate meaning as a term associated with thievery, i.e. clip joint.

by knickfan on Jul 31, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Milwaukee Clippers seems natural to me

I spent my childhood in the upper midwest, and every summer I saw the Milwaukee Clipper steaming its way across Lake Michigan. For years and years, I assumed the LA Clippers had started out in Milwaukee.

So I propose a five team trade: The Clips name goes to Milwaukee. The Bucks name then goes to the home of Wall Street. Then the Knicks could go to New Orleans and become the NO Nix. Of course the Hornets belong in the Beehive State (or is it the Behave State?). Then, to complete the trade, send the Jazz name to the home of the entertainment industry, Los Angeles.

by Corvid on Jul 31, 2008 12:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't touch the Kings

Their name is going to seem quite apropos as soon as the team moves to Las Vegas. I can picture the mascot already :).

by LasloHlyfeld on Jul 31, 2008 3:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Utah Hornets makes sense, sort of

Utah is called the beehive state

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by McLovinVs.TheDude on Jul 31, 2008 4:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The right side of your avatar

Looks like a woman in a bathing suit to me. The McLovin’s hair and glasses form the outline of her hair and head. It’s a head in profile facing the left.

That is so bizarre.

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by Dheepan on Jul 31, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why'd I write The Mclovin, who well

Dead Finks Don't Talk
But dead finks don't talk too well
They've got a shaky sense of diction
It's not so much a living hell
It's just a dying fiction

WORD UP. STAY. FRESCO.

by Dheepan on Jul 31, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

who well. I'm on a roll

PS I thought this was going to be about Jonathon Swift. Or somehow relating the A Modest Proposal with your modest proposal. Oh well. The world needs more baby eating.

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It's not so much a living hell
It's just a dying fiction

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by Dheepan on Jul 31, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Waaaay OT) I have a modest proposal on identity

Knickfan needs to change his name.

He isn’t even a member of the Knicks SB nation blog. He’s moved to LA, and he still posts on Bedge. He even puts this proposal on, of all NBA sites, the Blazers’ site.

Knickfan has been converted, he just hasn’t brought himself to admit it. The difference between Isiah and KP, between Brandon and Starbury, between Oden and Jerome James, between Zach and LMA, was too much for him.

His recent postings on Darius are just the last paroxysms of a man trying to hold out and claim, “I’m not a Blazer fan, I’m not, I’m not,” before finally acknowledging his surrender, and making a public conversion.

All that’s needed now is a pilgrimage to Portland and a baptism in the Willamette outside the Rose Garden.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 1, 2008 3:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's seat him next to

Sherman Alexie and they can renounce their former allegiences together.

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by jorga on Aug 1, 2008 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, if 'twere only that simple

I remember an eleven year old boy who cried himself to sleep after the Boston Celtics eliminated his beloved Knicks in the Eastern Division Finals in 1969. Besides his mother, father and dog, the Knicks were far and away the most important things in his tiny little universe.

That little boy never cried for any other team. Ever. He got older; exulted when his teams won; felt down when they lost. But he never again experienced that unmistakable, all-consuming belief that his personal fate and the fate of his team were one.

That little boy is a grizzled 50 year-old now, his love for the games of his youth leavened with a heavy dose of cynicism. He still reads the sports pages before glancing at any other part of the newspaper. He follows the doings of many teams with an interest that’s sometimes casual, other times less so. But that 11-year old boy remains embedded deep in his soul where a youthful passion for his Knicks continues to burn. Faintly, yes, but eternally.

If pressed, the auld fella will reluctantly admit that he’s strayed a bit recently. And that his interest in pro basketball has been somewhat rejuvenated as a result of his acquaintance with an exciting young team like the Portland Trail Blazers. But in the end, the Blazers will turn out to be nothing more than a source of badly needed refreshment during his long years of wandering in the desert of the Layden/Isiah years. Yes, the Blazers were his oasis, but the Knicks will forever be home.

by knickfan on Aug 1, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

Beautifully put

And if somebody just doesn’t get it, they must not be old enough to appreciate what that faint but eternal flicker will do to a guy.

rec

by lukeyhere on Aug 1, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Knicks of your youth

equal the Blazers of today.

An up and coming team, one with championships in its future.

A great center (Reed/Oden), a superstar guard (Frazier/Roy), an all-star forward (Debusschere/LMA), etc. No, our players aren’t quite yet what those players were, but it is coming.

But even more, we are the heirs of those Knicks, because we have players who have class, and we are a TEAM. Those Knicks, the Knicks you loved, were a team I loved, too. I became a Blazer fan as a kid of 10 in 1970. But I was so glad the champions were the Knicks, because they played the way the game was meant to be played. And I was so glad to see them win again in 73.

Those Knicks had class. They were great. You couldn’t hate the Knicks, even when they destroyed you (as they did more than once in those early years).

Yes, I know why you loved them.

Which team is the heir of those teams? Today’s Knicks, or today’s Blazers? The only thing today’s Knicks have in common with those teams is the name. What’s in a name? “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.”

Our Blazers are your old Knicks revived. Class, talent, teamwork, and soon, dominance. Feel free to let yourself love them. They are a rose in a Rose Garden, just as sweet no matter the name. There is a reason you are falling in love. To love them is to be true to the team you’ve always loved—much more so than to love the patch of weeds currently corrupting Madison Square Garden.

If a widower remarries, which action is true to his departed wife? To marry someone who shares her finer qualities, or someone who has the same name but dishonors her memory?

I also recced your wonderful comments. They show why I’m still a Blazer fan. But my comments show why I stopped being a Blazer fan through the thug years, and why I only came back to being a Blazer fan when the thug years were ended. They weren’t my Blazers any more, and now they are again.

Today’s Knicks aren’t your Knicks anymore. Today’s Blazers are. You are a Blazer fan, and will be for as long as the Blazers are your Knicks.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 2, 2008 3:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Kings

were in KC before Sacto … I suppose they were the Cattle Kings?? ... and before that they were the Cincinnati Royals … and the Rochester Royals.

And the Hawks were in Milwaukee before they were in St. Louis and St. Louis before Atlanta. Milwaukee might want that name back.

And risking the chance of someone slamming me for bringing race into the topic – is there anything Celtic about the Boston franchise??

Name history is all HERE

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by jorga on Aug 1, 2008 10:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Scalabrine?

Per the collective bargaining agreement, the Boston Celtics must always have at least one Ginger on the team. One blindingly white, soft skinned, red haired bench warmer per Celtic team, per season!

Nothing Celtic about the Celtics… Jorga, my goodness. Know you nothing about the ways of the world?

And don’t say Scalabrine doesn’t sound like a Celticy name, because that’s more racist than the N-word.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 1, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh. I know

and someone is sure to post a link telling of a long line of Celtic warriors with confirmed African history.

I guess I shouldn’t try to be funny with someone else’s material. Years ago I read a similar comment and thought it was funny … not racist at all, simply that the NBA, Celtics franchise, and everything else evolves. (Of course using the word “evolve” will offend someone else.) (And someone else will say that if the subject matter is race then it is “racist”.) (Sometimes I think I have lived too long.) (As well as have an overabundance of parentheses.)

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by jorga on Aug 1, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Parentheses offend me

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 2, 2008 3:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Utah Gingers?

I don’t know why but I envision a preponderance of gingers and daywalkers swarming in Salt Lake City.

by joelor on Aug 1, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“In 1950, the Celtics became the first franchise to draft an African American player, signing Chuck Cooper.”
wikipedia, baby

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by Y5k on Aug 1, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what I hate about Utah?

That it is such a beautiful place and has so many things to discuss but it’s always about Mormons. I was born there and have tons of family there who are all Catholic, yet you can’t make a joke about Utah without mentioning Mormons. Mormons are cool and so easy to pick on. They’re like a whole state filled with the children from Village of the Damned. The whole anal sex and virginity thing is priceless. I guess what I hate is that I can’t pick on a state without taking pot shots at Mormons, who are everywhere, so I wish they have better reasons to pick on them.

by tominhawaii on Aug 1, 2008 2:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Born in Utah, huh?

Suddenly the enigma that was tominhawaii is finally beginning to make sense.

by knickfan on Aug 1, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole southern half of Utah should be designated a

National Park. It has more beautiful, jaw-dropping scenery per square mile than anywhere in the world. It’s awesome. There are far fewer people living in that area now than there were 1000 or so years ago. The evidence of their lives can be found everywhere. I LOOOOOVE that whole 4 corners area. Hopefully I’ll be able to find some decent microbrews there.

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by annthefan on Aug 1, 2008 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TomoutofUtah

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