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Optipessirealism

There’s been a fair amount of discussion in the sidebar recently about the Blazers’ future prospects (near- and far-term) and what is realistic, too optimistic, or not optimistic enough.  You can find jlarose78’s discussion of the matter in the sidebar as we speak.

 

Those of you who were here may remember that last season during the long December winning streak I caught a lot of flak from people by holding the stance that the Blazers were probably not going to make the playoffs despite the chain of victories.  Plenty of folks talked about grumpy pessimism.  After the season I said the Blazers probably would return to the playoffs in the coming year and that, whether they did or didn’t, this team has the make-up of a championship squad providing Oden remains healthy.  A few other folks then decried this as optimism.

 

With a few exceptions, there’s a common thread to all of the reasoning leading to cries of homerism, optimism, pessimism, or whatever.  Back during the streak many of those asserting the Blazers would make the playoffs were citing things that were likely to go wrong with other Western Conference teams--falling apart, injuries, thin rosters--while assuming these things wouldn’t happen to the Blazers.  On the other hand people more cautious about the Blazers’ chances tend to talk about those same things happening to the Blazers while assuming they won’t happen to other teams.

 

Simply put, it doesn’t work that way.  In the end most of that stuff doesn’t matter.

 

I mentioned this a couple years ago, but for a refresher course, here’s how it works:

 

Ups, downs, injuries, squabbles, botched plays, and mysteriously missed dunks will happen at different times to different teams.  As an aggregate, however, those probably won’t be the difference between success and failure, if nothing else because any team that depends on the vagaries of fortune to win is already doomed to lose.

 

The teams that win--most of them that go to the playoffs and almost every one of them that wins a championship--have one thing in common:  on average they have fewer questions about talent, readiness, and suitability than the opponents.  In other words the teams that have to say, “If this player develops this skill it will fill that hole and then we have a chance” aren’t going to win over a team that knows that hole is already filled.

 

Who has had the fewest questions about their roster, its talent, its balance, and its capabilities in the last decade?  None other than Old Reliable, the San Antonio Spurs.  Phoenix has had a more exciting offense.  The L*kers have had the biggest superstar.  Dallas has had the overwhelming mass of talent.  None of those teams has had the overall success that the Spurs have because along with their attributes all of them had serious questions to be answered.

 

And mind you, the Spurs have not led a charmed life.  They’ve had injuries, bad calls, and all the rest happen to them.  Their team was simply the best able to withstand those things.

 

Let’s look at the Blazers in this light.  This year there are some pretty big questions.  How Oden, Rodriguez Fernandez, and Bayless fit in would be an obvious one.  You have point guard questions, offensive production questions, and youth/experience questions.  This isn’t as damning as it sounds because the Blazers also have a lot of talent and because most of their Western Conference competitors have serious questions also, especially after this turbulent off-season.  It’s likely that these issues will keep Portland from leapfrogging the truly established teams in the West but its reasonable to assume that in a dogfight for those lower playoff seeds the Blazers have a chance.

 

Where it really gets interesting is looking 3-4 years down the road.  At that point talent will not be an issue in the least.  In fact the Blazers will probably have a surfeit.  If offense remains a problem this year we will probably solve that with next summer’s cap bonanza.  The same holds true of the point guard predicament (providing there is one).  Youth and inexperience will no longer be an issue.  Defense, check.  Rebounding, check.  Team play and chemistry, already there.  Size, speed, athleticism…roger.  It’s hard to imagine any base this team won’t have covered.  The only wrench in the gears would be injuries, but it’s unlikely injuries would destroy an entire decade.  Somewhere in there this team is going to be healthy. 

 

In other words the questions we’re asking right now are the type that will be solved with the passage of time.  (As opposed to, say, the Warriors or Clippers, who could age five years overnight and still be struggling with the same issues.)  The way it looks right now after that time passes the Blazers, on average, are going to have fewer questions surrounding them than anybody else, which bodes well for this team.  That’s what matters.

 

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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was that supposed to be...

How Oden, Fernandez, and Bayless fit in would be an obvious one. Rodriguez’ deal is pretty much sealed, wouldn’t you say?

by 50backflips on Jul 30, 2008 7:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure you did

The problem is that the bold and italics toggles are one-way. They toggle on, but not off. I get around it by using an asterisk to boldface text and another to toggle it off, which does work. I haven’t found anything similar for italics, but I also haven’t tried. All-caps is another good and easy way to emphasize text.

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Jul 30, 2008 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but that always makes

the post seem much more angry (when its in CAPS i mean)

Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...

by TheOdenator on Jul 30, 2008 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's fine if used sparingly

but italics is more genteel.

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Jul 30, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try

Writing our your post, then highlighting the part you want to italicize, then clicking the Italics button. That’s what I do, and it has never failed me.

by MavetheGreat on Jul 30, 2008 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh!...

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Jul 30, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think depth is going to be a major strength for the Blazers

compared to other WC teams. Many of those playoff teams are in win-now mode and have acquired aging players more inclined towards injuries that take them out of play for 10-20 game stretches. Maybe not so much this season, but the next 2-3 seasons for sure. Kidd, Shaq, Duncan, and don’t forget the perennial TMac and Yao injuries…if one of those guys misses significant games, they have no one to step in and fill their shoes (although Houston has some pretty good depth), whereas the Blazers have depth at every position except maybe PG – and that may be solved, as Dave has hinted, at the end of this season.

Koponen - PG of the future. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Jul 30, 2008 8:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bench

Maybe even more relevant when speaking of depth is how dominant our 2nd unit will be this year compared to other teams. Even better than last year I would project. Rudy, Bayless, Outlaw, Frye, and Przybilla should be able to extend any lead or whittle any deficit.

by MavetheGreat on Jul 30, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chances of Winning corollary

A team’s chances of winning are inversely proportional to the number of “ifs” you have to use when talking about them.

A team’s chances of winning don’t exist in a vacuum. They also depend on what’s going on with their competitors. Last season’s Golden State Warriors can tell you about that. So can the 1994-95 Houston Rockets.

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Jul 30, 2008 8:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay

I am definitely picking up what you are throwing down Dave.

But the problem is perception.

Everyone wants to make predictions, and those predictions are going to be judged against the predictions each poster already has. Say the reader is reading a post where it says the Blazers are an 8 seed, and he thinks they are going to be a 2 seed: the poster is suddenly guilty of Pessimism.

Or the poster says they’re going to be a 4 seed and the reader doesn’t think they are going to make the playoffs at all: the poster is suddenly guilty of Homerism.

I mean even as I was reading your post I was mentally judging what you were saying against my own predictions, and unless you hold the speaker above fallibility, everyone else is doing the same thing. From reading your own predictions the one thing that jumped out at me is that it is practically impossible for anyone to say with any degree of certainty that in 3-4 years down the road the Blazers will not have to worry about Talent. We can say that with a few years of maturation we will be better, and I think that is about where it lies.

Its the problem with having a fan site, every bodies’ opinions are based on the same information, and the differences of opinion are all in how people interpret it. Giving yourself or the poster a label is unhelpful, and at this point (the off-season) nobody is getting any new information and all of the judgments are opinions.

Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...

by TheOdenator on Jul 30, 2008 9:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree labels are unhelpful in the extreme

But not having talent in 3-4 years…it would take a major earthquake swallowing up half of this team to make that happen. Oden, Aldridge, Roy for sure will be more than most teams have. Then you start looking at guys like Outlaw, Fernandez, and Bayless…maybe all of them don’t pan out, but all of them won’t miss either. Then you have the cap space coming and still a few young players like Webster and Frye to keep or trade in the meantime. It’s not just one person saying this…practically every expert in the league from the most dedicated to the most casual is saying Portland is SET.

by Dave on Jul 30, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

true story

I guess I am so used to that earthquake happening year in and year out with my favorite teams. The Ducks losing like 8 players to injuries last year, on what could have been a dominant team. The Blazers never making it all the way in the early 90s. The Mariners had a much better team than any other a few years ago, and still couldn’t put anything together. The Seahawks losing in the Super Bowl against a much worse Steelers team. The Timbers inexplicably losing (and allowing 3 goals??) to the Headless Hollywood team (that was just shameful not necessarily an earthquake).

Re-reading your comments, I guess I initially misread what you were saying, yes I agree that we will have the tools, its the execution that can’t be predicted.

Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...

by TheOdenator on Jul 30, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is some truth to that

Not that those were all my teams. Fans do get gun shy and expect the worse. Also on the flip side is the folks who get so anamored with the draft that they would prefer to lose to get better position. And you know what else? Some people are just plain ol pessimistic. If something can go wrong…it will…in those peoples minds anyway.

Last summer I was very optimistic….I predicted a win total of 45 wins. Others were predicting win totals still within the 30s Then the worst happened and Greg went down for the whole year!!! Well guess what ….41 wins and my optimistic prediction (guess) was still pretty good or at least a whole lot closer than than the pessimistic one. Anyway unpredictable stuff happens all the time….but it ain’t always bad.

Homer: "Oh no!! A Bear is eating my father!." (On seeing Selma kissing Grampa)

by 92wastheyear on Jul 30, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Pessimistic

I don’t want Oden to hurt me again. He broke my heart once, and after that, I swore I wouldn’t let him hurt me again.

by tominhawaii on Jul 30, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing you weren't playing in that pickup game with him

He’d be out for next season, too.

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Jul 30, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daveth Vader has crushed the OT rebellion...

... even you Tom, the Off Topic Movement leader, have fallen into the dark… there´s little hope against the Dark Avenger of Vlazers Edge….............................. Ok, ok, I surrender too, just had to say it.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jul 30, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your comment remind me the mith of the cavern by Plato.

Yeah, we only see the shades of the reality projected on the far end wall of the cavern and we only can interpret these shades to guess what objects are projecting them. Then people who has seen many shades in their lifes and have checked them with the objects, they will recognize the reality by the same shades better than others, that´s why they are called experts. The matter is that me, a non-expert, can play the game too and have fun interpreting shades while I also heard the expert voice. It doesn´t matter what people may think about my opinion but the game itself.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jul 30, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Questions

Man, you really had to reach with those “questions” surrounding this team. They all look like the answers will be positive if not amazing. Oden will either be better than Joel Przybilla, or he’ll be a great rookie back up. My guess is he’ll be a lot better than Joel Przybilla. Regardless, we’ll now have a team with two legit 7 foot shot blocking centers instead of just one. This will give LaMarcus and Channing the opportunity to focus exclusively on their natural positions. Rudy and Bayless are pure gravy players. If they’re great, they’ll be improvements on people like Martell, James Jones, and Jarrett Jack. If they suck, they’ll sit on the bench and we’ve still got good players in their position. The point guard “question” is really just a problem of fan perception. The NBA Finals I saw was not Chris Paul vs Chauncey Billups. It was Rajon Rondo beating Derek Fisher. Fanboys have this fantasy obsession with point guards because it’s the position they can most relate to. But in the real world, the best point guards in the league are playing on non-Championship teams and the championship teams are playing with non-All Star points. Every single player on our team (Raef excepted) is either in his prime or years away from it. Nobody is on their last legs or in the twilight of their career. We’ve got some concerns about injuries, but aside from Greg, nothing much more than other teams. And we did pretty good with zero % of Greg for 100% of last year. If we get 80% of Greg for 50% of next season, that’s still an improvement.

by Jumbo on Jul 30, 2008 11:35 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

56 wins

As long as we don’t lose more than 36 games, I feel pretty sure about this number.

by ralphzillo on Jul 30, 2008 11:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

That sounds like a Mike Rice key to the game.

“First team to 100 points has a good chance of winning this game.” Well, DUH, Ricey. That means they’re ahead late in the game.

by jamon51 on Jul 30, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Whoever has more points at the end should win it. "

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Jul 30, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing we have not yet seen is how well all our talents can play together

That is were the coaching staff is highly important: distributing minutes so that everybody feels valued; not yanking players out who made one mistake, but not giving players not fighting or having an off-night too much time on the field either (Dallas had this problem often last year); developing the right plays, and calling them when it’s appropriate (Phoenix against San Antonio in playoff OT anyone?); etc. I have trust in our coaching staff to do this and the players to execute what they are supposed to do (e.g. very good production after timeouts in recent years when plays could be discussed), but it’s still a big question mark with a young team that undoubtedly has the required talent.

The L@kers could have won even more titles with all the talent they had at hand in the last decade, but at times they just didn’t play well together, despite arguably having the best playoff coach in the league (03-04, Boston series). Or little things can make all the difference: Phoenix had the best talent one year, and was stopped by getting two of their main guys ejected for stupidly leaving the bench. Dallas was stopped by questionable foul calls that prevented them from going up 3-1 in the finals, turning the series around. And so on.

Or an example from another sport: Spain – or a lot of South American nations for that matter – in soccer (yeah, boo me if you want). They regularly had the most talented teams with big stars, but just as regularly didn’t play well together and getting easily frustrated. This year they won the European championship, albeit leaving a few of their biggest names at home and trusting a younger generation of players who played well together. In the previous installment, Greece surprisingly won despite clearly not having the best team, but executing their strategy very well. Yeah, in soccer luck / coincidence is more important than is basketball as one situation can completely change the game. But still, sometimes talent wins it all, sometimes it just doesn’t play well together.

Hopefully, we have young talent that does play well together.
So here is my prediction for this year as the west stands now: We reach the playoffs. Wohoo, I’m an optimist. But in the first round we meet LAL. And lose the series, despite putting on a good fight. Now, am I a pessimist?

Odenied: Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 30, 2008 12:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't the world champion Boston Celtics (god I hate saying that)

enter this past season with probably the most questions of any team in the league? Now that was probably because they had the biggest media spotlight on them but everyone could see that it was a gamble to bring that team together. On paper, you didn’t know what you were going to get out of that roster outside of the big 3 (although I could hear arguments for James Posey). Boston fans (like Blazer fans now) were hoping/wishing/praying that Eddie House would become a sparkplug off the bench, that Perkins would develop into a solid center, that (the biggest leap of faith) that Rajon Rondo could jump 3 years of progress and become a good pg, that Ray Allen’s ankles would hold up, that they would get anything out of “projects” Glen Davis and Leon Powe, and most importantly, that Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and to a lesser extent, Ray Allen could coexist. And not just coexist but win a championship because they just sold their future for the now. The spurs for all their “dependability” have never won 2 championships in a row although they have been a very good and consistent team. And injuries, although impossible to predict, can and do change the outcome of your season. No team in the league is capable of overcoming the loss of their best player for an extended period of time, so although I agree that “ups and downs” shouldn’t have an overall effect on an established team, injury can derail championship hopes and dreams…No matter how good our team becomes, our potential rests on Oden’s knee.

Somebody wrote me during the draft that a guy on a Knicks blog had dubbed Pritchard "The Hamburgler". In this case the appellation seems accurate. Robble-robble. - Dave

by chrischa on Jul 30, 2008 2:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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