How Good Can Brandon Roy Be? Ceiling?
Gavin Dawson was on 95.5 today posing the question: Can Brandon Roy become an all-NBA Top-5 player, like Kobe, LeBron, Iverson, Nash, etc. have been over time?
Brandon Roy's history that pales in comparison to most NBA stars with respect to young stardom, hype, early and often success; which makes people question how much TALENT Brandon Roy has yet to be untapped? He was in college all four years (an uncommon trait for the most elite talent in the NBA), didn't start as a junior in high school (wasn't a "Basketballs-Next-Greatest" as a youth like many NBA stars) and Roy came into the NBA with a pretty refined game for a rookie, a mature NBA body, and a great intangible of being a natural distributor-facilitator-playmaker. Roy then became an All-Star in his sophomore year. Everyone agrees that Brandon Roy is definitely a leader and highly capable NBA player, but can Roy be tough enough, healthy enough, effective enough to be considered an All-NBA Top 5 Player?
Personally, I think Yes. Brandon Roy can be a NBA Top 5 player... I must compare his game to Paul Pierce. Both are methodical 6'6" ball-handling inside-outside triple-threat player (shoot-pass-drive). Just watching the finals this year I couldn't help but watch Paul Pierce's methodical approach to breaking down the LA defense. No. 34 isn't particularly fast, but deceptively quick... like Roy. Pierce is a killer shooter from 3pt, jump shots and finishing at the rim... which is the offensive reportoire that Roy, Coach Nate and KP are striving for from their star guard. Pierce is gritty, clutch, versatile and tough, and he is a leader. Now, you may or may not agree with me that Pierce is a Top-5 NBA player, but at least you can agree it is debate, especially after being the leading scorer, clutch play-maker and finals MVP for this past seasons best NBA team. So in that regard, I think that Brandon Roy can and will have a similar season sometime in his career, maybe more than one, of the type of season that Pierce had in 2007-08 for the Boston Celtics.
What can get better, undoubtedly, by Brandon Roy is efficiency. With a little more time in the NBA, Roys shooting percentages for FG's, 3-pointers, and free-throws will all creep up a little to help his stats remain the same or go up with fewer or similar shot chances once this team is really going. Plus, with Oden, Rudy, Bayless, Outlaw, Webster, Frye, and Aldridge getting better and impacting games, Roy's opportunities may come a little easier on the fearless leader. Brandon Roy does have more ceiling, shooting efficiency can go up, passing skills, rebounding, defensive awareness, conditioning, hopefully a killer deep 3-ball.
Brandon Roy is already pretty good, but I think he can be great.
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thanks alot
Give me a few minutes to set up my chrystal ball…. I’ll get back to you on this
"Meow" --- My cat Bonzi wondering how long we must wait until the season finally starts so we can see just how good the PTB really are.
by bow4meow on Jul 28, 2008 8:34 PM PDT 0 recs
my thoughts
I was going to call in,but didn’t have time.
Gavin was really using statistics to make his case that Roy won’t reach that status. And in that context I agree. Roy isn’t a guy who’s going to average 27 pts a game for a season, and he’s not going to get double digit assists or rebound either. I think his assists will go up into the 6-7 range this year, and his rebounds will likely be around 5. throw in 20 pts per game.
But what this misses is that Roy’s “greatness” is the same kind of quality that made Magic great. It wasn’t about pure numbers. Take a look at Magic’s stats. They don’t pop off the page by any means. For Magic, and for Roy, the greatness is about how they elevate their teammates and how they can control a game when it matters. I’m not saying Roy is as good as Magic or will be as great, just that their relative greatness is defined in similar ways: Not by their raw numbers, but rather by their effect on their teammates and the game when it counts.
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by douglast on Jul 28, 2008 8:35 PM PDT 0 recs
+1
Completely agree. His numbers on the court will gradually get better, but most likely stay around the same or go down a bit. His on-court presence for his teammates (i.e. leadership, playmaking abilities, etc) is the biggest factor into why he will be labeled great, but not legendary. Just like Magic (and some other superstars were in their time), Roy will not be spectacular in statiscally (even though he will still be among the leagues best), his impact will be in helping players alongside him. Doesn’t hurt that he’s also takes pressure off his teammates in crunch time.
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by mannyfresh1 on
Jul 28, 2008 8:50 PM PDT
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I think his numbers will jump this year
to 23-25 points. Why? He’s more comfortable, he’s the leader, and the team trusts him more. After this year I think those points will go down as other players fit into their roles and bayless starts ripping it up.
There is definitely no other shooting guard in the league I’d want over Roy.
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by ratbastird on
Jul 29, 2008 7:50 AM PDT
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Points for everyone will go up
as the Blazers’ offense gets really going and takes advantage of fast break opportunities. We have more weapons developing on offense. That gives BRoy more assist chances and then in turn that gives credence to fake passes and drives to the basket.
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by OrygunRod on
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good stuff
I like the Magic comparison more and more. Roy has the likability, desire, awareness and do everything type game, similar to Magic. Magic is one of my favorite players of all time because he respected his teammates and the other team, but he never let up on anybody. Roy is the same type of personality.
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God is love.
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by koyote on
Jul 29, 2008 2:33 PM PDT
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Uhh, Magic averaged nearly 20 pts and 11 assists over his career. I wouldn’t use him as the best example of intangibles ever.
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by Arby on
Jul 29, 2008 3:45 PM PDT
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who would you use?
Magic is the first person I think of whose impact outweighed his numbers. The man had no weakness in his game, and could play efficiently at every position.
Love is blind.
God is love.
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by koyote on
Aug 2, 2008 1:58 PM PDT
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dang you reticent homers!
Why didn’t everyone vote Legendary? Roy’s our boy, for heaven’s sake! Of course he’s gonna be Legendary! I’m so disappointed in you all.
Winning is everything.
by MT Suit on Jul 28, 2008 8:35 PM PDT 0 recs
tell me about it
you are preaching to my choir…
"Meow" --- My cat Bonzi wondering how long we must wait until the season finally starts so we can see just how good the PTB really are.
by bow4meow on
Jul 28, 2008 8:56 PM PDT
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I didn't !
I love BRoy, but he’s so great all-around that
he’ll probably never be 1st team All-NBA. I think
he’ll be All-NBA, but his small injury problems
combined with a hard charging approach ala Dwayne
Wade will cause some problems.
Roy + Healthy = perrenial All-Star, All NBA selection
& Multiple champion/Hall of Famer
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It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on
Jul 29, 2008 2:28 PM PDT
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legendary as the leader of a legendary team
I don’t think of Pierce at all when I watch Roy play, he is so much more of a leader than Pierce, who often disappears in games.
The Magic comparison hit the nail on the head. It remains to be seen how much success the Zers will have, but I see Roy as the catalyst in a legendary team.
Love is blind.
God is love.
Ray Charles is God.
by koyote on Jul 28, 2008 8:55 PM PDT 0 recs
Trade him for a 2nd round pick
Just a joke,back off with the pitchfork and torchs parade in my driveway.
by southern oregon on Jul 28, 2008 9:06 PM PDT 0 recs
We were on our way to Medford dude
You make one more wisecrack like that and next time we ain’t gonna turn back.
Winning is everything.
by MT Suit on
Jul 28, 2008 9:45 PM PDT
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That's not us with the pitchforks and the torches!
Who else have you ticked off? If the local sherrif refuses to respond, maybe if you take out some marshmellows they can roast …
Hello?
'77
by LaoTzu on
Jul 29, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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southern oregon
is the place JR Rider was referring to, no doubt.
"Meow" --- My cat Bonzi wondering how long we must wait until the season finally starts so we can see just how good the PTB really are.
by bow4meow on Jul 28, 2008 10:10 PM PDT 0 recs
JR feels bad
That the strip club on I5 is closed and he dont hang around here any more
by southern oregon on Jul 28, 2008 10:30 PM PDT 0 recs
Legendary
However, they’ll ALL be legends when they win six championships.
Okay, six is a little much in the LeBron / Paul era(s)...four.
by fart on Jul 28, 2008 10:38 PM PDT 0 recs
Homer tendencies kicking in full force...
BRoy is exactly the player I want leading this team. He is a flat out stud. If he stays healthy, he is a hall of fame player. Book it….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jul 28, 2008 11:06 PM PDT 0 recs
What will push him to legendary is his clutch D.
I don’t know if it will as dramatic as Jordan’s jaw-dropping robbery of malone and using the crossover of doom to shake russle for the winner, but I can envision and hope for days of Roy just taking the final two minutes and ending the game on his term.
by wwKPd on Jul 28, 2008 11:46 PM PDT 0 recs
shake?
more like push…
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by douglast on
Jul 29, 2008 12:03 AM PDT
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Dude, right on!
Makes me sick every time they show that cheatery. Touching another man’s inner thigh on television? Out to be X-rated.
Reminds me of when Clyde got “picked” by Jordan at the top of the key. Clyde has grabbed his forearm and is complaining to the refs, and Jordan is laying it in on the other end. The announcers are like “what can he be complaining about? That big bad sport Clyde, Portland bunch of whiners, blahblahblah.” Then they show the replay, and Jordan, incredibly quick, grabbed Clyde’s dribbling hand, held it away and with the other hand starting dribbling the ball the other direction! Commentators just shut their yaps. No retractions. Oops, superstar rules!
How will we feel if Blazers start getting superstar calls? Could this ever happen?
'77
by LaoTzu on
Jul 29, 2008 11:46 AM PDT
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No way
he didn’t push off, Russell just lost his balance…......
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by iDea on
Jul 29, 2008 11:58 AM PDT
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For every action .....
....there is an equal and opposite “losing of balance”
That was Newton? Copernicous?
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by 92wastheyear on
Jul 29, 2008 12:47 PM PDT
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wow, really?
look at the video man. Two things jump out
1) he pushed Russell right on the buttocks. maybe it wasn’t a hard push, but it was definately a push, and given that Russel had his momentum going in that direction already, it doesn’t take much to push it over the edge
2) He carried the ball. Big time. Watch his right hand/wrist go completely around and underneath the ball when he switches direction from right to left.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PRCTp57LQro&feature=related
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by douglast on
Jul 29, 2008 12:50 PM PDT
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I think you're all crazy
He didn’t push off. He was patting him on the ass and telling him better luck next time, BEFORE he stuck the dagger in.
Actually guys, I’m just a huge Bulls fan and like to believe he didn’t push off.
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by iDea on
Jul 29, 2008 3:17 PM PDT
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I'm behind you 100%
I’ve never watched the play because I’ve never seen a single play by the underwear salesman.
by tominhawaii on
Jul 29, 2008 4:30 PM PDT
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he clearly pushed off
How are you a huge Bulls fan and a Blazers fan? What’s your story? Who did you root for in ‘92? Who would you root for in a future Bulls-Blazers series?
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by jksnake99 on
Jul 29, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
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I'd take pippen defense any day
Pippen was a HUGELY underrated defensive player. Without Pippen, there’s no way Jordan would have won.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
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by ratbastird on
Jul 29, 2008 7:53 AM PDT
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Pippen was fairly rated
Isn’t he considered one of the best defensive players ever?
Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.
by KP Corleone on
Jul 29, 2008 8:02 AM PDT
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I remember
Jordan winning MVP in his final game (no wait… ) when Pippen deserved it for completely shutting down the offense. Jordan was having issues hitting the broadside of a barn.
Hugely underrated because he’s forgotten about due to the fact he played with Jordan.
I suppose that last finals series really left a bad taste in my mouth because pippen totally deserved the MVP.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
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by ratbastird on
Jul 29, 2008 10:22 AM PDT
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I agree
I think Pip got the respect he deserved- wasn’t he on the “greatest 50” list?
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Jul 29, 2008 11:20 AM PDT
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Yes
I’m a huge Bulls fan as well. Pippen got his due, I mean he was on the 50 Greatest list. What else could he ask for….....
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by iDea on
Jul 29, 2008 11:59 AM PDT
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FINALLY.....
the right person stepping up and saying what we all have been saying….. let’s
GO
I agree with him that we don’t need to go after any more than a Andre Miller or someone of that caliber. No more superstars. No one to steal any identity from this team.
This is our team…. this is the first team since the 90-91 team that was built from the ground up. That ground is B ROY. I do not want anyone coming in here and laying claim to any success we have….. any success to be had is deserved by Roy with this Article.
by Kersey Lives on Jul 28, 2008 11:46 PM PDT 0 recs
rah
Brandon Roy is the most dedicated Blazer there currently is. He is also our best player. Quit messing around….
by nlj on Jul 28, 2008 11:56 PM PDT 0 recs
Roy's gonna be better than Pierce.
I think a lot about Isiah when I think of Roy’s upside lately. Different player, obviously, with Thomas being a pure PG and Roy being a combo, but the same kind of player—the playmaker who sets up the team for most of the game and kills the opponent in the fourth.
by howlingfantods on Jul 29, 2008 1:01 AM PDT 0 recs
That, and Thomas being a pig
Thankfully, Roy is a stand-up guy. Thomas, not so much (not at all)
by DonkeyShins on
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If we win a few championships
Roy will probably go down as a legendary LEADER, a Scottie Pippen type, except as a guy who leads the team and doesn’t take over with pure talent and skill like Jordan did (not that Roy doesn’t take over, of course).
Without championships, Roy will be remembered as a good player nationally, a great player to Blazer fans. Those future rings on his fingers will elevate his status (and Oden’s, and LMA’s, etc) to near legendary status since he’ll be the leader of the team.
The numbers won’t always be spectacular, but the RESULTS will be awesome. He will do everything and anything our team needs to win. And if we win, he’ll go down as one of the greats.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 29, 2008 2:58 AM PDT 0 recs
A legendary team member
who did his best work by raising the game of those around him and dominating at the right moment. His ability to choose a moment and control those few minutes of the game will be his defining quality. A combo guard version of Isiah Thomas, when it’s all said and done, but not a legendary player from a pure skillz and basketball ability standpoint (i.e. will only be compared to Kobe, Jordan, Lebron, Bird, etc. in Portland).
by erastus25 on Jul 29, 2008 6:23 AM PDT 0 recs
Hmmm...
Reminds me of two Blazers from the past:
- Bobby Gross
- Terry Porter
If Roy can measure up to either of them as court leaders and as teammates, he’ll be alright.
by DonkeyShins on
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FYI, for those of you who see morse code
The two Blazers are
- Bobby Gross
and – Terry Porter
by royroty on
Jul 29, 2008 11:43 AM PDT
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Roy's better than Porter already.
Maybe my memory’s flawed but I think folks around here overrate Terry a bit. He was a good player but not great by any means.
by howlingfantods on
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Terry Porter was an All-Star for Portland
2 times. “In 1,274 career games, Porter averaged 12.2 points, 5.6 assists and 1.24 steals during a career that included two All-Star berths (1991, 1993), two trips to the NBA Finals (1990, 1992) and 15,586 career points. He is 11th on the NBA’s all-time assist list (7,160). ” “He retired after the 2001-02 season, having never been traded during his NBA career. Porter’s teams compiled a record of 815-547 (.598) during his career, and only once failed to make the postseason.” ” He was the recipient of the J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award in 1993, and remains as the Trail Blazers’ all-time assists leader with 5,319.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Porter
If anything, he did not get the recognition he deserved being on Clyde’s team and playing in the West the same time as John Stockton.
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by OrygunRod on
Jul 29, 2008 2:27 PM PDT
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If roy tops out at 2x allstar
I’d be pretty damned disappointed. Whereas 2x allstar seemed about right for Porter in my book.
by howlingfantods on
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Porter also went to the finals in 1999
with the Spurs….and won a ring. But he was a bench/roleplayer of course
Gimmicks don't make dynasties
by WarEaglePDX on
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I'm agree with you
TP has been overrated a bit, but he was still a great player for us. He was one of those players, like Roy, who does a lot of things that don’t show up in the box score.
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by iDea on
Jul 29, 2008 3:19 PM PDT
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Roy already IS Legendary
Come on now…....
I wrote this the other day, but this will be Roy’s breakout season. I can’t wait…
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by iDea on Jul 29, 2008 6:53 AM PDT 0 recs
Roy's Ceiling?
We will know more about his “untapped” resorvior when we start entering our playoff window. Only then can the legend begin.
Roy = “Lord of the Rings”.
The Oden Era, Day 398
by Heymoe on Jul 29, 2008 7:30 AM PDT 0 recs
The two greatest Blazers ever will be Walton and Roy
I remember telling him how impressed I was with a player during summer league. In Avery's unique voice, he replied, "Marc, it's summer league." I
by TwoDeep on Jul 29, 2008 8:53 AM PDT 0 recs
ROYS a bust
we need to trade him for our man Dan Dickau
by KObeHater on Jul 29, 2008 8:58 AM PDT 1 recs
We can have Dickau for peanuts now (released by LAC), no need to trade for the man ;-)
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by Norsktroll on
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Depends on his body...
...to me the best part about reading about Roy was him talking about resting and losing weight, while gaining in strength. Huge for next year. Odds are Blazers will play 89 games minimum, league plus playoffs, and the guys need to start conserving when not playing.
If Roy can speed up a bit then he will approach Kobes ability to break down a defender. The fundamental difference between him and Kobe (even Jordan) is selfishness. There is a certain amount of selfishness that leads a player to be that good. At a certain point you have to demand your shots. What took Jordan a few years, and what felt like took Kobe ages to realize is that if you involve your teammates early in the game, later you can get all the shots you need.
I am alright with Roy demanding shots at the end of game, largely because I believe that Roy already wants to involve his teammates, and at times he wants to involve teammates too much. I think it would even be ok if it hampered the development of LMA and GO a bit.
Moving without the ball is just another method of attacking a defense. When teams started cutting off the ball handler at the top of the key in order to prevent penetration our offense bogged down. Coincidentally, that was after we won 19 of 20.
Me thinks we win 55 next year.
by khryse22 on Jul 29, 2008 9:29 AM PDT 0 recs
I called 55
two months ago. After that ? Who knows ?
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on
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The more players in the rotation, the more rest
Roy, Oden and others will have during the season. I expect Nate to use a 10 player rotation and perhaps one or 2 from the end of the bench on occasion plus they always can play in garbage time in blowouts. In the playoffs, Nate may reduce the rotation. But the 5 coming off the bench at the start of the year - Rudy, Jerryd, Travis, Joel and Channing - will play every game. Diogu will fight for playing time; Sergio will expect to play with Rudy. That leaves Raef, earning $11 mil on the reservegame roster with Batum perhaps in Idaho. (I do hope Koponen is signed. He could replace our friend and hard worker Steve Blake in 2 or 3 years.)
Hopefully, Nate will not push the starters to play them long minutes every night. When the playoffs start, these guys will be very tired if he does play them a lot. Remember, there are also 8 preseason games. As these guys are young they are still adjusting to a 82 game season instead of 35 in college.
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by OrygunRod on
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The great thing about Roy
Is the fact that I don’t think he will ever leave Portland. Hopefully he has a long successful career ONLY in Portland, and will forever be tied to the Blazer Franchise.
Portland is the now the closest to Seattle, so i don’t see any reason for him to leave .
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by Blazerhopeful on Jul 29, 2008 10:26 AM PDT 0 recs
Greatness
Greatness comes inside, from the heart and the will. Clearly, Roy has heart. His will to express himself relentlessly will be the test of whether he can be great. Greatness does not rest. It is like genius: A genius is someone committed to prove their genius. That’s alot of work btw.
Looking back, I am thinking Walt “Clyde” Frazier and the Knicks championship teams. That Clyde is ledendary, too. He willed his team to win. And he played the game the right way, to get the maximum out of each situation.
I am glad not to be in the position of having to deny BRoy.
Go Blazers!
'77
by LaoTzu on Jul 29, 2008 11:55 AM PDT 0 recs
If he has 5 rings
Like all of us think will (or more in some cases) then he would be a legend outside of the NW. If this team is as good as everyone thinks it is then for the next 10 years he will be taking game winning shots, getting major publicity and kids from Seattle to Helsinki will be will want to be like Roy. I think he still has a lot of room for improvement, his game is polished but he’s not a high percentage 3 shooter, he’s inconsistent from game to game. Hopefully with the new additions and development of the team his game will keep getting more efficient, and he’ll keep improving with his work ethic and added experience. His health is a concern, but he plays a safe game so you won’t see him try some fancy dunk when a lay-up will do just fine which hides his athleticism.
by ChadFord on Jul 29, 2008 12:53 PM PDT 0 recs
I'd also like to see Roy
learn to hit two consecutive free-throws at the end of tight games.
Chad, I hope you aren’t on special assignment, scouting for the next great Trail Blazer blog to absorb into the ESPN.com collective…
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by MiledAnimal on
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If he has 1 ring
He will get major credit from outside the NW, in my opinion. That’s all he has to do, win at least one ring.
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by iDea on
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I think...
... he will be remembered as a great player, a guy who was one of top 10 players in the league during his prime and a winner. He may well be legendary to Blazer fans, but I voted for great since I think that’s what his national reputation will end up being.
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by jksnake99 on Jul 29, 2008 1:46 PM PDT 0 recs
Here's my question
Will he be the best player on this blazer franchise?
Andy Roddick has the most wimbledon titles in the world. He just hides them in Federer's trophy case
by premthegrem on Jul 29, 2008 2:31 PM PDT 0 recs
Er...
I’m assuming you meant in this era of the franchise, and not best player in franchise history.
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