Grant Hill a Blazer?

by BroyTheTruth on Jul 27, 2008 1:32 PM PDT

What would it take to get Grant Hill?

I love his game......when he's not injured that is....

He is the ideal vet (besides chauncey).......Could we do it for martell, channing and change.....

not sure i would either cuz of his window and all, but we need a vet, if only for a year or two

How about RLEC and a 1st rounder...thatd be worth it to me. Pheonix is sort of in a financial bind, and that could help. They wouldnt do it though...

on a side note....what would it take to get Nash...probly a lot more, but maybe he could teach bayless the point guard position. If bayless evolves into a real pg, watch out for the blazers for years to come.....that said, it's hard to teach guys to stop dribbling with their head down....court vision is about smarts, you either got it or you dont

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remember the 99-2000 blazer team,

we were built on vets….pippen, stevie smith, sabas, brian grant….

that was so great, even though shaq was too much for us.

i wish now, we had pippen from back then to lead our youngsters…theres no vet in the league right now that really mirors him

by BroyTheTruth on Jul 27, 2008 1:43 PM PDT 0 recs

I like the last one better.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

Greg Doden really brought the extra D tonight!

by MGNNoah on Jul 27, 2008 1:54 PM PDT 0 recs

I'm sure Phoenix would jump at getting something for Hill

But I think we wouldn’t give up more than Channing OR Diagu and 2nd round picks for him (and RLEC of course). I like him, and think he would help our team immensely, just like JJones last year.
I’m not really sold on Nash. He’s hurt a lot, would require more than we want to give up, and has a different skill-set than Bayless, that probably wouldn’t translate across. Roy and he would probably not flourish together, either.
Love the guy, but probably not for us.

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"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 2:04 PM PDT 0 recs

RLEC is waayyyy more valuable than Grant Hill

You will be able to get much more on the open market

Homer: "Oh no!! A Bear is eating my father!." (On seeing Selma kissing Grampa)

by 92wastheyear on Jul 27, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up 1 recs

Really?

I assume you’re hoping for a Gasol-type salary dump?
I would rather get something like Hill, than wait and hope for a miracle from above.
I understand KP will be holding onto RLEC just in case, but Hill appeals as much as anything I see coming up next summer.
Who exactly do you have your eye on?

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up 0 recs

so

Who else do they give us for RLEC? Boris Diaw? I don’t see how Phoenix can explain that one.

by Bedhead on Jul 27, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up 0 recs

I am not thinking anyone specific

However …if I give up the RLEC in a trade I would have to take back Hill plus a bunch of other stuff to make the salaries match. I would rather just keep it and let it expire thus allowing for unbalanced trades or free agent pick ups. If we are talking a trade before the deadline I would want a blockbuster

Homer: "Oh no!! A Bear is eating my father!." (On seeing Selma kissing Grampa)

by 92wastheyear on Jul 27, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up 0 recs

Ah, I see what you guys are saying

The salaries wouldn’t match and we’d have to take some stiffs in return, as well as cut someone probably.
Good point.
Maybe RLEC for Hill and picks? Nah, never mind.
I’d still do Ike OR Channing and picks for Hill. Seems we have too many PF/Cs right now, barring injury (knock on each and every wood and wood-like substance in reach).

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up 0 recs

Martell

and picks would help the cap space thing?

by southern oregon on Jul 27, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up 0 recs

I hate the idea

Of giving up a potential guy like Martell for what amounts to a 2 season rental of Hill. One of the PFs isn’t going to figure in to our plans anyway, but Martell is going to be the starter at 3 for years to come.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up 0 recs

J-Bay

doesn’t seem like the type that would flourish under a mentor. He seems like the type that would kill his mentor.

Andy Roddick has the most wimbledon titles in the world. He just hides them in Federer's trophy case

by premthegrem on Jul 27, 2008 2:15 PM PDT 1 recs

Isn't Grant Hill a small forward?

Seems like he would be mentoring Martell and Travis…unless they were part of the trade. Not T-rex

Homer: "Oh no!! A Bear is eating my father!." (On seeing Selma kissing Grampa)

by 92wastheyear on Jul 27, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up 0 recs

He was talking about Nash when he mention B-Rex

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up 0 recs

Ah ok....my bad

Homer: "Oh no!! A Bear is eating my father!." (On seeing Selma kissing Grampa)

by 92wastheyear on Jul 27, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

As soon as he kills his mentor

We’ll know he’s ready to start. At least that’s how it works in Kung-Fu movies, and that’s enough for me.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up 0 recs

but what's the point of selling the farm for Nash,

if J-Bay annihilates him as soon as the trade is announced?

Andy Roddick has the most wimbledon titles in the world. He just hides them in Federer's trophy case

by premthegrem on Jul 27, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up 0 recs

A really really frickin' sweet

YouTube video? I assume Bayless would kill him during a televised game, of course.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up 0 recs

A pay per view cage fight?

by southern oregon on Jul 27, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up 0 recs

Nah, B-Rex'd tear him apart in seconds

But maybe if they had Foxy Boxing on the card?

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 6:00 PM PDT up 0 recs

Like this?

T-Rex vs. Goat YouTube

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 27, 2008 6:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

I don't want to start an International Incident with any Canadians

But yeah, exactly like that, except Stevie wouldn’t headbutt- it messes up his hair.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up 0 recs

JBay WOULD kill Nash

... but he would eat his beating heart and thus steal his powers.

MUWHOHAHAHA!

'77

by LaoTzu on Jul 28, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up 0 recs

Kali Maa......Kali Maa!!!

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

Greg Doden really brought the extra D tonight!

by MGNNoah on Jul 28, 2008 9:57 AM PDT up 0 recs

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

Greg Doden really brought the extra D tonight!

by MGNNoah on Jul 28, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

This makes some sense

Every one agrees that Hill is a class to the bone guy and an underrated defender. He wouldnt want or need big minutes and if he needs to sit for a week or two we can call Batman in Idaho and ask him if he is busy.

by southern oregon on Jul 27, 2008 2:23 PM PDT 0 recs

-1

You want a link? I'll give you a link. www.google.com

by tominhawaii on Jul 27, 2008 2:25 PM PDT 0 recs

Tom, that's your best avatar yet.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

Greg Doden really brought the extra D tonight!

by MGNNoah on Jul 27, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up 0 recs

Which leads me to wonder

What grants salary and contract status is?

by southern oregon on Jul 27, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up 0 recs

Good thing you don't live in the South

Or you’d be married to that Fertility Idol now.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up 0 recs

You are one sick dude.

No wonder I like you so much.

btw – that almost qualifies you as an honorary submariner.

by timg56 on Jul 28, 2008 7:45 AM PDT up 0 recs

Thanks

It was just a pleasant stroll on the UH Campus.

You want a link? I'll give you a link. www.google.com

by tominhawaii on Jul 28, 2008 7:51 AM PDT up 0 recs

I'm all for trade ideas

but could you wait a few days in between your fanposts please. I’m still chewing on your last one. Let me get that one fully vetted, before I need to swirl another one through my gooey grey matter.

by parkinglotj on Jul 27, 2008 2:35 PM PDT 0 recs

We do realize he is 36 in october, right?

Ike Diogu and a 2009 and 2010 second round pick for him and Alando Tucker or D.J. Strawberry. No way I would give up Martell for him at this point. He will probably retire in a year or latest in two.

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 27, 2008 2:41 PM PDT 1 recs

He IS 36 or so

But it’s not like he’s actually PLAYED for about 6 of those years. He certainly looked decent last year. I like him for the locker-room stuff, personally. Any scoring is just a bonus.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up 0 recs

So, you like trades for oft-injured guys, huh?

First its T-Mac, now it’s Grant Hill.
Shall we get Sam Cassell next? How about Shaq? What about Jamal Mashburn, is he available?

The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely

by SandbergOnSports on Jul 27, 2008 2:51 PM PDT 0 recs

I hear Scotty still wants to play

Last year he tried his luck in a few games in Finland. And he could be had for the veterans minimum ;-)

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 27, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up 0 recs

I was thinking our answer at PG is....

Jay Williams.

Gimmicks don't make dynasties

by WarEaglePDX on Jul 27, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up 0 recs

Does he still have all his limbs?

Because only having one leg is going to hurt his vertical a smidge.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up 0 recs

I Cassell Available?

I actually think that Cassell makes a lot more sense. Cassell just wins championships. And he’s proven that he can be an effective role player.

I am down with Sam!

'77

by LaoTzu on Jul 28, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up 0 recs

Martell and Ike

are both going to be RFA and this might have some cap space possiblites.

by southern oregon on Jul 27, 2008 2:53 PM PDT 0 recs

Grant Hill's salary

Right now he’s only making about 2mil a year. In order to get him we would have to take back another bad contract if we game them RLEC

by SalemORguy on Jul 27, 2008 3:08 PM PDT 0 recs

Exactly

Why kill our future cap space?

by Bedhead on Jul 27, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up 0 recs

Is the "Is [blank] a Blazer?" going to be a daily thread?

BTW the answer is “no”.. he’s not a Blazer.

Unless he’s a steal, he’s not going to be one either.

by Timmay! on Jul 27, 2008 3:28 PM PDT 0 recs

No.

Never. Ever.

this has been a message from: "The People's Alliance to Keep Comment Boards Sucka Free"

by bforsythe on Jul 27, 2008 3:32 PM PDT 0 recs

I don't want a trade this year

I’d just like to watch the guys we have play together for a year. I don’t know if that makes the most sense from the perspective of winning games, but it’s what I want. It’ll be fun.

by raoulduke on Jul 27, 2008 3:58 PM PDT 0 recs

But the Trailblazers are unbalanced

Fully a third of the Trailblazers roster is shooting guards:

o  Brandon Roy

o  Rudy Fernandez

o  Martell Webster

o  Rydjer Lessbay  (Pig Latin)

Meanwhile, at small forward, the depth chart has a displaced shooting guard, a great fourth quarter guy who seems to play best coming off the bench, and no third option.

At point guard, the depth is deceiving:

o  A solid, reliable veteran who fails to excite anybody and has a low ceiling

o  A flashy player who makes very bad decisions off the court, unwise comments to the Spanish press, and has a shelf life of five minutes on the court

o  A young unproven player with potential, but who needs a lot of playing time against quality opposition before he is ready to help the Trailblazers

o  Three displaced shooting guards.

If you like watching a team with three 2s on the floor at once, with no 3s and no 1s, the current roster will be fun to watch develop.

by monkeysuncle on Jul 27, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up 1 recs

I'm not a big fan of conventional

Just for the sake of being conventional.
When you have a 2 (Roy) who can handle the ball and a combo (Bayless) who can handle the ball and play off the ball, you’re okay.
Blake is a solid back-up.
Rudy can back up 2 or 3.
Martell can certainly play the 3, and you need that outside shooter on the starting unit.
Outlaw can play the 3 or 4.
Heck Channing might be a 3 in a pinch if his shooting is really that much better this year (as has been reported).
The entire NBA is moving to “matchup” lineups now, and we are set no matter what matchups a team throws at us.
Don’t doubt KP, Danny Aing…er…Monkey’sUncle!

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 6:06 PM PDT up 0 recs

That is the line up I would like to see

Roy/Blake 1
Bayless/Rudy 2
Marty/Trout 3
LMA/Buffet 4
Oden/Przy 5

In the Guard rotation a Vet would remain on the floor at all times

Homer: "Oh no!! A Bear is eating my father!." (On seeing Selma kissing Grampa)

by 92wastheyear on Jul 27, 2008 9:22 PM PDT up 0 recs

Is "Buffet" Ike or Channing?

It looks good to me- but I’ll take Roy and Blake starting, with Bayless in first for Blake, then Rudy for Roy, then Roy for Bayless or Rudy, depending on match-ups, who’s hot, etc.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yeh but....I like the idea

of having one vet guard going at all times. The Buffet is Frye…but …Ike would be a nice change of pace …matchup-wise

Homer: "Oh no!! A Bear is eating my father!." (On seeing Selma kissing Grampa)

by 92wastheyear on Jul 27, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up 0 recs

I do too

But I also don’t think there’s a guard combo coming off someone else’s bench that can stay in front of both Bayless and Rudy. And if there is, we adjust the rotation for that game.
If Bayless learns to kick out off the drive, we have to have Rudy out on the wing.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 11:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

If Bayless learns to kick out off the drive,

I would love to see a small lineup sometime featuring:

1. Blake
2. Bayless
3. Rudy/Web
4. Outlaw
5. Frye/Aldridge/Oden
Bayless can really penetrate well, and with a wing on one side and Outlaw drifting to the other, I can already see 3-pt heaven!

Andy Roddick has the most wimbledon titles in the world. He just hides them in Federer's trophy case

by premthegrem on Jul 28, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up 0 recs

+1 MUncle!

Very well said. We got a BUNCH of 2s! But we also need to recognize that the 2s are themselves a variety pack that will allow Nate to do some cool cooking.

I feel like I am being promised to death at the 3. Rather than looking for a traditional PG better than Blake (okay, how much again to get Cassell and his veteran ring bling?), I really do want a solid gold starter on staff at the SF position.

As for promise, and playing at his natural position, I am looking at you, Travis! Is 2008-09 the charm for HSers?

Sorry, but as for Martell, as much as I appreciate his game and his effort, I don’t see him being a starter on a championship Blazer team. Not at 2. And not out of position at 3. If I were KP, I would be entertaining offers if I felt at all sure about other SFs on the squad. And Martell is not chopped liver—we are looking for quality, here. Anyone overloaded at SF looking for a good swingman+promise? Maybe a second rounder, to boot?

'77

by LaoTzu on Jul 28, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up 0 recs

Don't get rid of Martell

Until you see how he plays with the heaps of open looks he’s going to get this year.
With LMA and Oden, teams are going to have to double. With Roy driving, the perimeter players will have to double (you won’t be seeing Oden or LMA’s guy cheating off of them to stop penetration very often).
We do NOT need an all-star at every position. A nice role player here and there will get us more traction in the long run.
Patience is required, not a “building a Fantasy B-Ball team” type of mentality.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 28, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up 0 recs

I still dont get the cap space thing completly

I need a lawyer

by southern oregon on Jul 27, 2008 4:12 PM PDT 0 recs

What about it don't you get ?

Dead Finks Don't Talk
But dead finks don't talk too well
They've got a shaky sense of diction
It's not so much a living hell
It's just a dying fiction

WORD UP. STAY. FRESCO.

by Dheepan on Jul 27, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up 0 recs

KP wouldn't sign Hill as a veteran's minimum free agent

Much less make a deal for him. He would just impede the development of the young 3 guys. He might get the Bs a few more wins, but he’s not getting them a championship this year, and that’s the only way you could justify bringing him in as a 36 year old piece to a young 20s team.

Hill would probably be a one or two year upgrade over Martell or Outlaw, but KP has said he approaches every decision with the mindset of, will this get us closer to being a championship team? He wants to avoid getting caught in the trap of being a perinneal 3-6 seed, never good enough to challenge for a title, and never bad enough to pick up quality talent in the lottery. This year, player development is more important than W’s.

Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.

by KP Corleone on Jul 27, 2008 5:33 PM PDT 0 recs

But KP would have resigned JJones for the minimum, in a heartbeat

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 6:07 PM PDT up 0 recs

Don't the same things apply there?

(Sorry about the double- got hasty)

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 6:08 PM PDT up 0 recs

But JJ is still young (at 27)

He had the best +/- of all the 3 guys last year, so yeah, he would’ve been resigned at the minimum, I would think. But he’s a better fit because (a) he’s primarily a three point shooter, and that’s not Hill’s strength – and (b) he’s almost a decade younger. If he would have been signed and developed into a solid role player for the potential title run(s), that would be fine. But it would be pretty unlikely for Hill to hang around until Oden, Bayless, LA, etc develop into serious title contenders in, say, 3 years.

Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.

by KP Corleone on Jul 27, 2008 6:42 PM PDT up 0 recs

Wow, JJ is only 27??

He looks like he’s in his 30’s. And his knees look like they’re in their 70’s.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up 0 recs

KP Corleone.....great name by the way

i agree with the last part of your comment. “This year, player developement is more important than W’s.”
That said, having a veteran for our youngins to learn from only speeds that up….even if that veteran doesnt get a lot of playing time….

i suggest Ghill, cuz i feel he’d be fine coming off the bench, or just being used in certain situations…..he’s a class guy, and could help raise our young flourishing team

by BroyTheTruth on Jul 27, 2008 7:56 PM PDT up 0 recs

intriguing idea acquiring Grant Hill

fabulous talent oft injured with little time left. I say trade Webster, Outlaw, and Sergio plus to #1’s like the Kiki deal. I believe that trade works financially but I dont play the trade machine on spn.

"Meow" --- My cat Bonzi wondering how long we must wait until the season finally starts so we can see just how good the PTB really are.

by bow4meow on Jul 27, 2008 6:52 PM PDT 0 recs

I don't think Grant Hill would want to come to the Blazers.

I was reading somewhere that the phoenix medical staff is working wonders, aka the rejuvenations of grant hill and shaq. Even allen houston tried to start a comeback over there. I think he might be injury prone anywhere but phoenix.

by wwKPd on Jul 27, 2008 10:07 PM PDT 0 recs

GREAT name

by begottenson on Jul 27, 2008 11:30 PM PDT up 0 recs

Player Development

Bent Larsen, a chess gradnmaster from Denmark, had this to say about development. Don’t worry about little attainments. Just put your best stuff out there every day. If you have it, you will make it. If you don’t, no trick could get you there, anyway.

KP, FTW!

'77

by LaoTzu on Jul 28, 2008 9:25 AM PDT 0 recs

A perfect fit

Bayless and Oden could sit on his lap while he told stories about the olden days.

by DonkeyShins on Jul 28, 2008 1:34 PM PDT 0 recs

I agree wholeheartedly

But what you ARE missing, is that grant hill is a free agent after next year, so no reason to trade for him.. I posted this quite a while back, so i will just cut and paste since its still relevant:
Depending on the cost, I would like to get Grant Hill as a mentor role. I think if we could get him for less than a midlevel, he would be worth the investment in the locker room and practice alone. He can still play a bit, but I wouldnt want to see him get more than Raef LaFrentz Exhumed Corpse does now. I think that his knowledge of the game would REALLY help Webby and Outlaw and practicing and learning from him would only make them that much better. I dont know if he would be willing to be a 10th/11th guy off the bench and shoot for a title, but if he was ok with that.. I say we work something out..
I doubt KP thinks like I do though… you just hear about so many young players who excelled having really learned through observation and mentoring from older players. You saw what JJ did to the team this year. GH has FAR more experience and probably some crafty tricks to pass on to Trout

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 28, 2008 3:03 PM PDT 0 recs