i think it cuold work

by topher223 on Jul 26, 2008 3:32 PM PDT

a trade with the new jersey nets. this is what i see could happen between the blazers and the nets,and it would work for both sides

new jersey woud receive

raef lafrentz who makes 12.7 mill 1 year left

channing frye who makes 3.1 mill also 1 year left on hes deal

sergio rodreguez who makes 900,000 with 1 year left

in coming players

stromile swift who makes 6.2 mill with 1 year left

trenten hassell who makes 8.7 mil over the next two years

devin harris who make 7.8 with 5 years left

i really think this trade helps both teams new jersey wants to get younger and open up cap space for 2010 for LBJ or d wade. portland gets a much better definder on the low block and inside in s.swift then frye and a lock down perimiter guy who does not need you score the rock and a true pg in harris to set players up plus we get good vets and not get a whole lot older what do you guys think would it work?

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Cap space instead

With the possibility of Deng and/or Smith signing a “one-year and available”, I would pass.

by spencerbutte on Jul 26, 2008 3:38 PM PDT 0 recs

yeah,

we won’t make a move until we have a crystal-clear picture of what’ll be out there in summer ‘09, and that won’t happen until all the RFAs resolve their contracts. We could definitely swoop in next year and pick up someone if they take a qualifying offer this summer.

Devin Harris would definitely be nice, but this doesn’t prepare the Nets any better for 2010 AND it gets rid of one of their only bankable players. This would be a steal but there’s no way it would ever go down. Basically it’s Devin Harris for Channing Frye! Yeah right!

by kickbrass on Jul 26, 2008 4:12 PM PDT 0 recs

Intriguing.

Our expiring salary drops not by Raef’s $12.7mil, but by the diff tween his salary and Stro’s: $6.5mil.
However, if we did this, Blake’s $5.1mil 2009 team option would change from we-should-pick-it-up
to we-can-let-him-go, making the likely 2009 offseason cap only $1.4mil lower
(losing all $12.7mil of Raef but keeping Blake vs losing $11.3mil worth of Blake AND Stro).
So the 2009 cap picture is mostly unchanged, IF (like me) you believe Blake is worth keeping without this deal.

Beyond that Stro-for-Raef 2009 cap change, we get Desirable Devin (remember, I called him that first)
and a guy who signed with us once already, back when we WEREN’T the hot team.
We lose a dispensible Sergio (fine!) and the KPW Buffet Of Goodness (not so fine).

Basically, we sacrifice Channing (who I think is our backup PF for life) for small forward Hassell,
even though we’re already two deep at SF between Trout and MarWeb, with Batum on the way.

I like the overall tone of this, aside from that aspect. I’m on board if you do one of two changes:

1) Leave Channing out of it and sub a SF; if we get Hassell, one of the Batum/MarWeb/Trout trio would need to go.
Any of those three should work as well as Channing for salary-matching purposes;
Batum seems the obvious choice (higher upside and lower impact on the 2010 LeBron Nets offseason),
but they might insist on a better talent (Trout or MarWeb), even if it hits their 2010 payroll.
If so, Marweb.

2) If Channing stays in the picture, I’d want a shot at replacing his big-man position instead of Hassell
(and since Hassell comes off the payroll in 2010, that’s a highly desirable dude for NJ to keep).
The 2010 first-rounder from the Mavs strikes me as exactly that.
Then again, that’s because I think the Mavs will suck big time for a few years;
I see that pick as being a mid-lottery pick.

3) The big hold-up: Would the Nets do this deal?
Lose Devin Harris and not get a starter-worthy point in return?
Make it Blake instead of Frye and we might be there.
Make it Blake instead of Frye AND make it the Mavs 2010 pick instead of Hassell? Interesting:

Blake, Raef’s EC and Sergio
for
Devin, Stro’s EC and the Mavs 2010 first-round pick

I’ll swing that by the ESPN trade checker.
Meanwhile, I stand by my analysis of the suggested deal:
Frye-for-a-SF sucks for us, Desirable-Devin-for-no-starting-PG sucks for them,
and out 2009 cap space is not an issue because of Stro’s inclusion.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Jul 26, 2008 4:19 PM PDT 0 recs

I should add the upshot change to both teams under the altered deal:

- The PG swap would be a 2-for-1: Desirable Devin for Blake and Sergio.
- The ExCon picture would be a swap of $12.7 Raef for $6.2 Stro.
- And we’d get the 2010 Mavs pick for the ExCon advantage swinging the Nets’ way.

Sounds pretty balanced to me.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Jul 26, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up 0 recs

The Trade Mosheen won't let future draft oicks in the deal.

So I could only submit Raef+Blake+Sergio for Devin+Stro.
And it failed by $5mil in too much added to NJ.

Okay.
I’ll throw in Ike Diogu.
That won’t fly right now, since we just got him; he’s not tradable for a while.
But maybe later, see what adding Diogu and the Mavs 2010 pick does to the failed deal:

The Raef EC, Blake, Sergio, and Ike
for
The Stro EC, Devin and the Mavs 2010 pick

I bet it flies.
And the end result roster for Portland after the trade (sometime during the 08-09 season) would be:

Guards: Devin, Roy, Bayless, Rudy
Small Forwards: Trout, MarWeb, Batum
Bigs: LMA, Frye, Oden, Przy, Stro
Total roster spots: 12 (the trade was a 4-for-2 deal)

Contracts up in 2009 (unless we re-up them): Stro, MarWeb, Frye

Assets not on the current roster beyond our natural 2 draft picks each year:
The Petter, Freeland, a lot of 2nd-rounders next year, the Mavs 2010 first-rounder

I like that. I like it a LOT.
Assuming NJ would do it, and Ike + Mavs2010 makes it a legal deal.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Jul 26, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up 0 recs

Oh jeez - my bad.

The trade failed by $5mil too much TO the Nets.
They need to give up more, not receive it.

Well, again, I don’t know how the 2010 pick counts.
Would we take $3.8mil of basically-retired KeithVanFreakingHorn?

Man.
I’d hate to think Raef+Blake+Sergio for Devin+Stro fails because we got too little.
But that’s the cap for ya.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Jul 26, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up 0 recs

Ah. Desirable Devin's a BYC player.

So he counts for less in a trade than his actual $7.8mil salary.

Bet this works when his BYC status expires.
Which would be (according to Larry Coon) 6 months after the Kidd trade in mid-February, or mid-August.

I’ll try this again after Devin’s BYC status disappears.
I’d throw in our own 2010 first-round pick if it helps.
I’m willing to bet we have a better 09-10 season than Dallas does.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Jul 26, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up 0 recs

Not going to happen

Info: New Jersey just traded their young backup point guard Marcus Williams to the Warriors for a future conditional first round pick a few days ago.

Now Harris really is their #1 option and “there to stay”. The backup is Keyon Dooling. I highly doubt the Nets want their team of the future to be run by Sergio (or Blake) and Dooling. We had a slight chance to acquire Harris when Dallas and New Jersey talked about the Kidd deal, KP wanted to be the third party in that trade and get Harris. Didn’t work out.

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 26, 2008 4:30 PM PDT 0 recs

The Nets wouldn't do it.

@('.')@

by JTDuck22 on Jul 26, 2008 6:55 PM PDT 0 recs

Pass, even though the Nets would not do this.

They pretty much committed to Harris by shipping out Williams, and Sergio is not a suitable replacement. Plus, we would haver to add another guard in this trade I think. We still have the crunch and with that roster either Fernandez or Bayless would be benched a LOT. I like the concept of the old Celtics backcourt without a true point. We don’t need it. Plus, Swift kinda stinks.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 7:17 PM PDT 0 recs