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Dariusgate probe widening?

I haven't seen any reference to this story posted anywhere here yet. If I missed it, please accept my apologies and go ahead and delete forthwith. However, I feel it has important - albeit troubling - implications for the Blazer franchise and is therefore worthy of note.

Last week, in the comments section of Ben's post about Miles' suspension for the use of diet pills, I wrote about the disturbing ethical implications of Portland's possible complicity in how Miles' confidential medical information was leaked to the press. In my comment, I wrote:

If it does come out that the Blazers were the party responsible for leaking word of Miles’ suspension to the public-at-large, I’m afraid it would reflect extremely poorly on the team. Not only would they have violated Miles’ right to have his medical information kept private, but it would appear to have been done with the intent of deterring other teams from giving him a chance.

Now, according to the Trib's Dwight Jaynes, the Blazers may be subject to investigation for "violation of federal regulations in regard to public comments about the medical condition of former player Darius Miles." In this case, the "public comments" in question were not related to the details of Miles' substance abuse suspension. Rather, the concern appears to be that Pritchard may have been too free and easy in disclosing the particulars of Miles' knee injury to the press. Jaynes writes:

The problem for Pritchard and the Blazers is that those statements could be a violation of the privacy provisions of the Health Insurance Portability and Availability Act of 1996 (HIPAA). Since the HIPAA privacy rule went into effect on April 14, 2003, pro and college teams in all sports have been very reluctant to reveal specific details of player injuries without the permission of the player.

Why would the Blazers risk possible charges of violating federal law? Again, Jaynes:

Obviously, [the] incentive for the Blazers [is] to hope Miles never plays again. And perhaps an incentive for the team to be as negative as possible in describing Miles’ chances of ever playing again — thereby discouraging other teams from taking a chance on him.

I had speculated in my comments on Ben's post that this may indeed have been the Blazers' incentive for leaking news of Miles' substance abuse suspension.  Obviously, I am not privy to high level discussions in the Blazers' front office so I have no idea if this is true or not. But whatever the motivations, this whole situation is beginning to stink to high heaven. It seems that at the very least, the team may be guilty of a HIPAA violation, no trivial matter. And, at the worst, the team might also be guilty of employing underhanded tactics to hinder a player from pursuing his career on another team.

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John C on BFT

Talked about this for about a hour on friday. http://955thegame.com/Portals/0/media/BFT7-25-08HR1.mp3
He said this was just Miles agent desperately trying to get the Blazers to stop talking about how hurt Darius is so he can sign with another team. JC said Darius is having trouble getting back into the league and his agent is using Jaynes. There is no chance of anything happening to KP or the Blazers. NBA teams have something in the contracts they have with the players that allows them to report on injuries. Thats what I got out of the segment. Where there is smoke there is not fire in this case.

Bayless4Ever

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 26, 2008 9:30 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I remember your post

and I tried to do a little sleuthing at that time because I was concerned about your comment that the Blazer’s leaked word of the suspension. I never found evidence of just how the word got out – all I could find was that the NBA had sent email with the info to each team. None of the media said how THEY got the information … was it a leak or did they get the memo too?

Leak or plant, if it is something that was to have been kept quiet then if the Blazers were behind it I don’t like it.

OK, S4E’s post just appeared. I can’t take Canzano seriously as he has misstated things in the past (like the Rose Garden was two weeks from being renamed – about 9 months ago).

I cannot comment about contracts because I don’t know what is in them. However, Miles is no longer a Blazer … but there is obviously still something that ties him to them because of the “if he plays” salary issue. If that affects the release of information, I don’t know.

I don’t know if KP is violating HIPPA info … If he was told such by a Dr. then the DR is violating HIPPA, not KP. How HIPPA relates to release of info in a contract I don’t know. I also do not know what sort of things can result from these violations. One story said Miles might sue … but who he would sue and for what reason is unclear.

I just think it is much too convoluted for we mere fans to try to untangle without much more information. (And that goes for Canzano and other media people too.)

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by jorga on Jul 26, 2008 9:41 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the team dr is responsible to the team?

that would mean that its ok to discuss with the team. if the team took this further…...

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Making up things=bad."

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by ptwnblzr on Jul 26, 2008 7:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The handling of the Dr. Darius Affair has stunk from day one...

.................................. and it continues to stink. Everybody is so happy with the change of culture and the draft-day expertise of KP that they’re all to eager to ignore the way the Miles injury was handled: the news blackout from team officials and employees and the beholden beat journalists spoke volumes to anyone paying attention.

This whole deal smells like a dirty sock.

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 9:52 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But you beat me to it. to too two

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by annthefan on Jul 26, 2008 7:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jaynes is just trying to stir up some more BS

which is typical of him. Jaynes is horrible and should be treated as such. In my opinion anyway. I am not worried at all about Darius Miles. I’m more worried about people buying into Jaynes’ crap and getting all worried about it.

by Mike-Fu on Jul 26, 2008 9:52 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha

I couldn’t tell what it was until I clicked on it… oh, man. I’m glad I did.

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by rockingharder on Jul 26, 2008 8:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still think Quality Pie's avatar wins that honor

but yours is a close second, Mike-Fu.

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by MiledAnimal on Jul 26, 2008 8:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uhhh, it's not BS

I’m no fan of Dwight Jaynes, but this is a serious story. Here’s why:

At the time of Miles’ “medical retirement,” the worst case scenario for the Blazers was (1) Darius signs on with another team; (2) he plays the minimum ten games and (3) his remaining salary obligations would once again be counted against Portland’s cap.

Reading between the lines of Jaynes’ piece, this sequence of events could now be considered a best case scenario for the Blazers. As Jaynes notes:

If he does not sign with another team, there is an expectation that Miles could file a grievance with the league and also file a suit against the Blazers for attempting to restrict the player’s ability to find a job.

I’m guessing that a suit by Miles could also trigger a federal probe into possible HIPAA violations by Pritchard and the Blazers. This wouldn’t be pretty, to say the least. So now the team would appear to be in the rather incongruous position of actually hoping that Miles catches on somewhere else.

Look, I know that a lot of people here don’t like Darius. You think he’s a low-life dirtbag. I get that. But that’s beside the point. Patient confidentiality is a big deal. Anyone who has ever worked in any medical office has that drummed into them the minute they begin their employment. And rightly so. Nobody here would want the details of their medical issues available made public – especially not to potential employers while you’re out looking for a job.

I realize how strong the Kult of KP is on this site. But it really looks like your man may have screwed the pooch on this one. And, in the end, the saddest part of this may not even come down to the question of any criminal or civil penalties that may be assessed on the team. Paul Allen’s purse will blunt any pain on that score. The real damage, as timbo noted above, would be to cast all of the recent happy talk about the team’s commitment to a sparkling new culture in a somewhat hypocritical light.

by knickfan on Jul 26, 2008 10:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

The HIPAA stuff is for real

I don’t contest that, for sure.

I wonder if most, if not all, of the details of Miles injury were already publicly known.

The reports from the injuries, the press reporting on it, the details available from the league office and players union, everyone knew that Darius had bad microfracture surgery and would possibly need a knee replacement.

If KP is saying stuff that was already publically known, he won’t get in trouble.

He should just shut up though.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 26, 2008 10:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Problem is, you can sue anybody for anything...

If KP is saying stuff that was already publically known, he won’t get in trouble.

Too late, I suspect…

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 10:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can sue for anything

You can’t win for anything, and sueing won’t be free for Darius.

It will cost a lot of money to do this and the payoff isn’t guaranteed by a longshot.

Mortymurr

by Mortimer on Jul 26, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Darius is a multi-milliionaire...

................................. I think he can afford court costs. His lawyers would be working for a potential one-third of a mega-payout.

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 10:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But not at that level

Lawyers who can tackle PA’s lawyers ain’t working for free and costs hundreds an hour and will bill Darius out the wazoo.

It is way too expensive for too lil’ of a chance of payout.

Mortke

by Mortimer on Jul 26, 2008 10:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Darius $100 bills...

...may become limited, for stuffin’ into “G-Straps!

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 26, 2008 9:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought he stuffed them into G-strings?

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 10:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There ya go

tanks a top .

I need to study this a bit more, before postin’ ‘bout it, heehe.

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 26, 2008 10:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I heard Darius likes 'em meaty. Hence, G-straps.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 26, 2008 10:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ya gots my back Babe

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 26, 2008 10:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Always.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 26, 2008 10:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome...

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 10:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forever BEdge

Lizard Blood runs cold.

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 26, 2008 10:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The two of you . . .

You’re both G in my book. That would be the “title of endearment:” definition, not the the gangsta definition.

by Corvid on Jul 26, 2008 10:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the HIPPA stuff is NOT for real

HIPPA is specifically directed to health care providers, and KP is not a health care provider.

Furthermore, there is a specific clause in the CBA that allows teams to disclose to the public the nature and reason why a player is playing.

This whole damn thing is Miles’s agent at work and Jaynes being a muckraker

by moldorf on Jul 27, 2008 9:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ehhh it COULD be real

People who work in a pharmacy, but ain’t healthcare providers, are subject to the HIPPAA stuff as well.

Anyone who has access through their job to medical info can’t tell others about it, whether you’re a doctor, cashier, whatever.

HOWEVER, I suspect there are allowances within the NBA contracts that let GMs discuss injuries of their players, since everyone does it in great detail.

Also, the Miles stuff was widely reported and known for the last year or so. KP wasn’t revealing anything new.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 27, 2008 3:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What grievance? He still gets paid $18 million over the next two years no matter what

Show me a court that awards a multi-millionaire with more money because his (former) employer might have slightly lowered his chances of earning another million. For Darius, this whole comeback story isn’t foremost about making additional money, no team will pay him more than the minimum.

I would rather expect the insurance company who needs to shoulder a large portion of his paycheck if he stays medically retired to sue the Blazers / NBA for giving out this information. But they won’t, because they want to do more business with them.

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by Norsktroll on Jul 26, 2008 10:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Er du fra Norge?

Jeg har slektninger i Norge …

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by bfan on Jul 26, 2008 9:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um, no I'm not

But travelled there and around Scandinavia a few times. I like the region, friendly people. Friendly trolls ;-)
And my first name is Norwegian.

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 26, 2008 9:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me too: Gudmund.

I hate explaining it to every new person I meet, so mostly I go by a nickname: Goody, which unfortunately requires its own explanation.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Jul 26, 2008 10:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What are the potential repercussions?

I’m an employment lawyer, and I have no idea. It seems, though, that KP and/or the Blazers would get hit with a fine, and/or damages, but that’s about it. We’re not talking about anything criminal, right? So as far as the team is concerned, other than losing some of PA’s money, what’s the worst case scenario?

I’m not sure KP wouldn’t rather pay DMiles $1 or $2 mil in damages, pay some HIPAA fines, and keep that cap space. This might have been a calculated decision.

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Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.

by KP Corleone on Jul 26, 2008 12:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am confused

The motive for the “leak” being to keep other teams from signing Miles doesn’t make sense to me. Wasn’t a letter sent to every team from league covering the suspension anyway! If the league sent a letter then there would be no need for the leak. As far as talking about the injury, the contract almost has to have a provision for that included that waives that right…..teams ….all teams talk about injuries all the time. I am not buying it…I think this a move by Miles’s agent

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by 92wastheyear on Jul 26, 2008 10:02 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Additionally ...

Any team offering a contract to Miles would have a doctor go over that knee with a finetooth comb. So…no conspiracy to keep Miles from playing. Nothing the Blazers did or said would have any effect on wheather Miles got or did not get a contract

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by 92wastheyear on Jul 26, 2008 10:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know all the details, obviously

But I DO know that the reports that Miles would possibly need a knee replacement came some time last year, and KP is just repeating them.

The details for an injury retirement are not totally private, are they? Because most things were widely reported when Miles was rumored to be up for medical retirement.

EVEN STILL, Pritchard needs to just not talk about it. I doubt he’ll get in trouble, but better safe than sorry, and there’s no need to wallow in the mud of this sort of thing. Either Miles plays or he don’t; it won’t hurt us much.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 26, 2008 10:03 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My Friend Dari(us)o

My friend Dario has a super mega car
Drives too fast, drives too flash
The noise the wheels make screeching on the tarmac
Echoes in his head, then echoes in his pants

From Ok Cowboy, guessing you’ve listened to Vitalic? This pops into my head when I think of Darius.

You are right, KP should probably stop saying things like “yeah he’ll probably need his knee replaced if he plays, they have to break two bones and take the knee out, I don’t want that to happen to that kid.” I think the FO has handled the situation just fine. From what we’ve seen, it seems like they followed all the procedures. I’m thinking they knew Darius was doomed from the start, so this was their thinking from the beginning. Doubt they would be messing up their evil plan so late in the end game. This isn’t War or the Worlds, or even Signs.

PS, I’m going to make sundress into a BE meme. Did you see the pics of Mary Louise Parker I posted in the Lma+Baybay thread?

Dead Finks Don't Talk
But dead finks don't talk too well
They've got a shaky sense of diction
It's not so much a living hell
It's just a dying fiction

WORD UP. STAY. FRESCO.

by Dheepan on Jul 26, 2008 10:23 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sundresses are sweet

Now I saw them!

Ya know, when Mary Louise-Parker was in her prime and in Benny and Joon and Bad Girls, I did not think she was cute in the slightest and I hated her early 90’s hair.

Now as a 40-something, she got cute! What the hey!

Put anyone in a sundress and a wig and I’ll marry ‘em, no cash down!

Mortimer!

by Mortimer on Jul 26, 2008 10:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't remember her from the 90s

So this is the first time I’ve seen her, but yeah, she’s holding up really well for her age.

Dead Finks Don't Talk
But dead finks don't talk too well
They've got a shaky sense of diction
It's not so much a living hell
It's just a dying fiction

WORD UP. STAY. FRESCO.

by Dheepan on Jul 26, 2008 10:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Canzano: "Smokescreen"...

............................... “on the internet, not even in a newspaper.”

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 10:06 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Canzano is OBSESSED with criminal culpability...

................................. as the Blazers will probably find out, it is CIVIL culpability that they’re gonna have to be worried about.

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 10:08 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not? You're talking about, let's say, 8 years of a career worth potentially $15 million a year...

...................................... That’s a big number.

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 10:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All you've gotta do is prove the Blazers committed illegal acts which kept Miles out of the league...

............................................................. cha-ching!

Lawyers LOVE to go after deep pockets, and we know who has the deepest pockets of all…

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 10:23 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really... Tort lawyers work on contingency...

.......................................... I think they’d be falling all over themselves for a potential 1/3 of a $100 million payout.

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 10:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tort lawyers at that level

And with a rich guy who isn’t all that bright or knowledgable of the legal field…

They’ll suck Darius dry.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 26, 2008 10:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mort, I will bet you ONE AMERICAN DOLLAR...

..................................... that within 2 years Darius Miles files a NINE FIGURE lawsuit against Pritchard, Allen, and the Portland Trailblazers…

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 10:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He could sue, sure

But it won’t be free for Darius is what I’m saying.

And he also isn’t guaranteed he’ll win. He’s gotta also prove he CAN play and KP’s comments were what kept him away from playing.

Darius has had workouts for teams; everyone will see him if they wanna. They didn’t stop inviting him in because of KP’s comments. The damage, if any, is minimal and certainly it would be shown that his KNEE prevents him from playing, not what some non-doctor said in an interview.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 26, 2008 10:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I don't think he'll win either...

.............................. but the Blazers are now in a VERY PRECARIOUS situation.

I have an allergy to lawyers and my body is covered in hives…

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 10:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's true

If there is even a crack at legal wrongdoing the lawyers will be on us like a flock of vultures on carrion.

Dead Finks Don't Talk
But dead finks don't talk too well
They've got a shaky sense of diction
It's not so much a living hell
It's just a dying fiction

WORD UP. STAY. FRESCO.

by Dheepan on Jul 26, 2008 10:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha

My fiancee is a lawyer and so is my papa and so is one of my sisters.

This case, per my understanding and without knowing any more details, is not a strong one for Darius.

If he wasn’t injured, then what KP sez could harm him. Lucky for KP, Darius suffered a career ending injury according to independent docs.

SO, if KP is talking out of school and loose lips are sinking ships, he needs to shut up and he’ll either get in a lil’ bit of trouble OR none at all if he commented on things that are public record in this context.

A case saying that what he is saying is preventing Darius from getting a job won’t win because of Darius’ knee (provided it isn’t a big huge conspiracy and Darius is really truly hurt).

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 26, 2008 10:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Violating HIPAA...

...normally leads to a fine and a slap on the wrist. Miles wouldn’t be allowed to sue anyone if I understand the situation correctly since the federal law is already dealing with the punishment. Even if Pritchard wasn’t allowed to say stuff about Miles’s knee, the penalty doesn’t mean very much. Obviously, he shouldn’t say anything if Miles didn’t allow him. There are ethical problems with that.

The Miles situation is pretty overblown. There has been no wrongdoing. The Blazers hired the guy who helped Amare make a comeback. They let him use the practice facilities. They waited a full two years like they were supposed to before getting the approved independent doctor. Yes, they wanted Miles gone; they didn’t appear to do anything wrong in making that happen.

by poster on Jul 26, 2008 10:13 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Violating Hipaa does not normally lead to a fine and slap on the wrist

I f the violation is serious it can lead to the said physician/medical professional losing his or her liscence or accredidation…

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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 26, 2008 10:54 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Timbo is going to be the next billionaire...

developing software that corrects OTHER peoples spelling and grammar so you don’t have to read it.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 8:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope.

Not a lawyer and don’t play one on TV, but I know that this is wrong:

Miles wouldn’t be allowed to sue anyone if I understand the situation correctly since the federal law is already dealing with the punishment.

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 10:19 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So what happened with OJ?

He was acquitted (if the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit!!!) of his murder charges, but then held liable in the civil case. Is this any different?

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Jul 26, 2008 8:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because he was acquitted I believe. Also it varies by state, and thusly, I may be wrong since it would be a federal case.

I conduct investigations and interrogations for a prominent retailer and close criminal cases. The police will not allow you to do both in Oregon.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 9:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Dariusgate" cracks me up

Everytime someone writes about the situation, the story is full of “if this” and “it that” with a few “coulds” mixed in. It’s very likely we’ll never know the details. Plus, the situation involves a ton of interpreation from lawyers and doctors and experts in the CBA.

That’s what’s fascinating to me. Given that the whole story is full of speculation and interpretation, we believe who - or what - we want to believe. Darius Miles is a like a giant Rorschach inkblot.

I love a good scandal. The NBA should schedule one every summer.

by Corvid on Jul 26, 2008 10:38 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok

Q: “What do get when you have a convention of lawyers and doctors and experts in the CBA?

A: “A guest speaker no one can understand”

Homer: "Oh no!! A Bear is eating my father!." (On seeing Selma kissing Grampa)

by 92wastheyear on Jul 26, 2008 3:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The biggest factor in all of this could end up being David Stern...

and you know once he gets his sticky paws all over it, nothing will happen.

There might be some ado for a bit, maybe a small media blitz even, but then it will fade into anonymity, just like all other things that Stern hides under the rug.

If he views this as bad for the league or bad for the team, which he will, he’ll make it disappear.

Book it.

Got BEdge?

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jul 26, 2008 10:38 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

totally agree

David Stern always gets what he wants. Generally the best predictor of situations like this is: “what would Stern want to happen?”

I don’t see any way Stern would be interested in shafting one of his teams and his richest owner.

by kickbrass on Jul 26, 2008 3:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

knick fan

great post. you beat me to the punch, how’d you know what i was going to post today?!

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by Ben. on Jul 26, 2008 10:44 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doing that would violate our culture

We don’t roll that way here. Maybe at GSoM or Bull-a-blog, but not here.

by royroty on Jul 26, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am kinda leaning towards those who say

HIPAA is waived to an extent by the players in their contracts. Otherwise when we were told even what facility Greg was having his surgery at, it would be a violation of this same policy. I believe the issue was that KP was talking about an injury regarding a player not on his roster and that may be where his agent thinks he has ground to stand on. I think this would get pounded in court because he is still getting paid by Paul Allen. All of this leads me to believe that this is his agent getting his name out, and trying to get him signed. I’m not worried in the slightest. I’m amazed by the diet pills thing though, I will tell you that. It is odd that dude had “the worst microfracture knee injury” two independent examiners have ever seen and now he’s training full-court?

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 10:44 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forget HIPAA

It seems like there’s a precedent for coaches and team officials giving updates on their players’ statuses…they do it all the time in those between-quarter interviews. “He’s feeling pretty sore but we got an ice pack on it and we’re hoping he come back…” or something like that. HIPAA is not the thing we should be worried about…Miles might have a civil case against the Blazers for what Pritchard said because it could be construed as an attempt to prevent him from getting a spot on another team. I’m not a lawyer so I don’t the proper language for that, but it’s really, really bad. He can sue for however much he thought he would make in the remaining years of his career. The good news is that his value has dropped considerably…just hope that nobody signs him before he files the suit.

by fart on Jul 26, 2008 10:44 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HIPAA is not all protecting

See page 38

Im sure most wont read the entire thing. In a nutshell, if consent, written or verball is given to release medical info it may be done. I highly suspect Darius as well as every other professional athlete have this ‘consent’ provision in some form, in their contracts.

Hipaa isn’t really the issue here, in my opinion. Darius and his agent are trying to drum up interest in this ‘cause’ to continue to attempt to convince other nba teams that Darius is okay to play. It was a lil’ sheisty that the PTB allegidly publicized this information, however it is equally if not more so as sheisty for Darius & Co. to decieve teams/media/fans into thinking we broke federal law.

Sophia

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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 26, 2008 10:49 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read this year that teams even had to give out available information if it was a sports related injury

That was in the Nene case. Because he had to undergo cancer treatment, it was considered a private issue, and the team was not allowed to release this info w/o his consent. So for several days they had to keep mum although internally they apparently knew about his condition (see also how the article talks very clearly about an injury to another player). But Darius’ medical issues are most certainly sports related and game relevant, so every team in the league had a right to know about his condition and the NBA sent out the official announcement. Maybe KP used too drastic terms to describe it in the aftermath (“bone on bone”, imminent knee replacement, etc.), but a “medical retirement” certified by an independent doctor must have a good reason after all.

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 26, 2008 11:17 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When I heard he took diet pills....

My reaction was….huh, thats it? I would be more worried if he was back to smoking pot and eating ice cream or if he was taking steroids just to get to the health level he is at. If I am an nba team, this doesn’t bother me nearly as much as some other choice substances often used in sports.

I haven’t followed this situation closely, but is there any proof whatsoever that the Portland front office is actually guilty of leaking any private information? Jaynes doesn’t know what KP was authorized to say by the Miles camp. This all seems like a lot of heavy speculation to me, and Dwight might be better off not reporting things that make the blazers look like some sort of villain if he has no specific evidence to back up his accusation…

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Jul 26, 2008 10:50 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Medical info investigated by teams = overrated story

Before teams go ahead and give players enormous multimillion dollar contracts, as a rule of thumb, they check to see if the player will be able to actually fulfill them. Any and all health issues are checked before hand. Right now there is a large dispute in Houston where Carl Landry is being asked to get an MRI before the Rockets sign him to a contract. In the case of Darius where it is well known that he has had catastrophic issues with his knee, one can assume that any team would get the most information possible before signing him. This would likely include checking with the doctors that did the procedure and those involved in his rehab, as well likely checking in with the Trail Blazer’s management and team doctors (I imagine that most clubs maintain a congenial relationship and would discuss such things). Things that a team would not be doing is listening to podcasts done for fans involving KP for any inside info from a person with a large vested interest in the scenario. Given this, I believe that Darius could end up griping about this, but it will not ultimately decide whether or not he gets back into the league. If he wants to sue for Paul Allen’s money, that’s great, its not like he isn’t still getting millions of it each and every year.

by TFan on Jul 26, 2008 11:37 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Must really be the dog days of summer

if we’re spending our mental energy on this, eh? Ok, so the blazers might get some picayune fine for a few thousand bucks.

Yall think Paul Allen doesn’t have better admin law attorneys than Jaynes and me (at least I’m an actual attorney, I don’t think Jaynes is) looking at this stuff? The cost/benefit for the potential (not certainty) for some minor administrative fine versus poisoning the well a bit and keeping the salary off the cap and paid by insurance was obviously something the blazer management considered and approved. That’s how corporations operate—they assess risk associated with a potential sanction from an edge case violation of a rule against the benefits incurred by violating that rule before they take any such action.

by howlingfantods on Jul 26, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.

by KP Corleone on Jul 26, 2008 2:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is always a designated "Jail Bird"

Most likely the GM!

Can you imagine KP runnn’ Da Team, behind bars?

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 26, 2008 10:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meh

I guess it’s a big deal but I don’t care. It’s not worth wasting energy on. It will work itself out.

--. --- | -... .-.. .- --.. . .-. ...

by tominhawaii on Jul 26, 2008 2:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just feel sorry for Darius

I’ve never been probed, but one thing I’m sure of, is that I wouldn’t want it to get wider.

--. --- | -... .-.. .- --.. . .-. ...

by tominhawaii on Jul 26, 2008 6:28 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew you were going to say that.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 7:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sadly, it's not his fault the bottle is there in the first place, is it.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 7:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're talking about the dude in the x-ray?

.............................................. probably.

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 8:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I meant the figurative Darius bottle, LOL

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 8:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What bottle? The censorship nannies have filed that bottle in the memory hole...

.......................................... Now there’s a new euphemism for Tom in Hawaii.

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 11:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe if one posts a picture of a smiling baby it would have a better chance of staying up...

................................................. The baby’s face represents the Blazers, and the little dribble of spittle represents Darius Miles…

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 11:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love art...

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 11:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can say SPITTLE on here, can

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 11:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can't you, nannies?

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 11:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank god the nannies are protecting us, otherwise they might lose their press passes...

...................................................... No more Paul Allen-supplied deli meat and wholesome beverages.

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 11:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We don't want any websurfing 8 year old Blazer fans to be smote by lightning for reading the G-word in an context other than one of supplication...

................................. I mean, really, talk about litigation nightmares!

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 11:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's pretty thick on the sacue man, lol.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 27, 2008 9:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Jaynes article and this post are both BS.

The Blazers are allowed to describe the injury in great detail. It’s part of the contract the player signs. Most of the time when teams are coy with data it’s to throw another team off before a game, as in will he or won’t he play.

Look around and you will find details on Oden’s surgery, recovery, and rehabilitation.

I’m really getting tired of people’s rampant speculation on this site regarding the Blazers’ ethics, without any first-hand knowledge of facts or the consequences of these accusations. That includes Ben.

Koponen - PG of the future. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Jul 26, 2008 8:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A little late to the party ...

All I really have to say here is I’m a little appalled at the comments people left on Jaynes’ original article. Someone writes an article about possible federal violations of the general manager of a major sports franchise and fans completely shred him for it? He’s a reporter for goodness sakes; he’s just doing his job. If people don’t think it’s newsworthy or disagree with the news, that’s fine, but I wish people wouldn’t make Dwight out to be less of a human being because he broke the news first. Just ridiculous. A sad day for humanity imho.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Jul 26, 2008 9:07 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's fair.

I don’t live in Portland, so I don’t read Jaynes enough to have developed an opinion of his writing or his reporting. Perhaps he could be a better reporter, perhaps he is sufficient.

I’m just a little taken aback out the outcry that this has hit the newswire. As I understand it, here is the story: “Remember that player Darius Miles and how he injured his knee and couldn’t play anymore? Well, it looks like there may be a little more to the story. The Blazers might have overstepped their bounds a little bit with some comments they made about Miles’ injury. They actually might have violated HIPAA and could be subject to a federal investigation because of it.”

Is this a BS story, or is it a BS story because Jaynes wrote it? I can’t help but wonder, what if Blazer beloved Henry Abbott or our very own Dave had put two and two together and mentioned that it’s possible Kevin Pritchard and the Blazers violated HIPAA with their public comments on Miles’ injuries? Would I be reading similar vitriolic criticism from the public? Or would I be reading genuine concern that these details might prove true, and genuine dismay that our team might stoop to such levels to keep Darius off the cap. I’m guessing the latter. I’m not exactly sure why, but this bothers me.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Jul 26, 2008 9:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like many a messenger throughout history

Jaynes is simply being assassinated for being the bearer of bad news.

by knickfan on Jul 26, 2008 9:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Homers...

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 27, 2008 12:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right. Because to be a reporter you don't have to do any fact checking.

You can just wildly speculate and imply that someone is unethical. Who cares if your right, as long as you got the story out. If the whole thing stinks to you, it’s because you’re not questioning whether Jaynes is right, you’re accepting it as fact.

Koponen - PG of the future. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Jul 27, 2008 1:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excuse me?

As noted in my original post, my uneasiness about this whole affair predated Jaynes’ article. I thought the way in which news of Darius’ suspension became public seemed rather fishy and said so in a comment about a week ago. Now Jaynes has written a column in which he essentially makes the same point, only about the way in which the team handled news of Miles’ knee injury itself.

I understand that as a Blazer fan, your prefrontal cortex is probably not hardwired to process any suggestion of ethical failing on the part your team. That’s fine; cognitive dissonance can be an unpleasant thing. But on the other side of that coin, your pat dismissal of concerns that were raised independently by both Jaynes and myself can hardly be credited as the product of any serious critical thinking on your part.

by knickfan on Jul 27, 2008 7:54 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

Your stated motive for the leak: “To keep other teams from taking a chance on Miles” . My critical thinking in this included the fact that the other teams got a letter about the suspension, so no need for leak for that reason.

As for the violation of federal rules governing the release of medical info …..my opinion is that it is bogus as well because of the observed fact that teams release medical info on players daily. If there is a problem regarding KP doing the same re Miles…it is probably a technicality due to his contract status with team..at the time of the comments. I doubt this would result in a large penalty. Where is the ethical problem here?

Homer: "Oh no!! A Bear is eating my father!." (On seeing Selma kissing Grampa)

by 92wastheyear on Jul 27, 2008 9:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pat dismissal? I could care less about your concerns

because you haven’t brought up one concrete bit of proof that you’re right.. moldorf has pulled info from the CBA itself that says you are wrong, for crying out loud, yet I don’t see you make any rebuttals to that information. Speculation without facts and questioning someone’s character (KP) while continuing to ignore contradictory information hardly exhibits critical thinking on your part.

And you sure as heck don’t know me to call me a “hardwired” fan. I was critical of the team during the Whitsett and Nash/Patterson years (with good reason). Your “feelings” aren’t enough for me to do so in this case.

Koponen - PG of the future. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Jul 27, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Newspaper journalism holds no high ideals in regards to professional or unprofessional.

If you can make some noise, you are being pro. See the enquirer, the onion, and (sometimes, please don’t flame me) the mercury. They don’t have to be PC, they have to have a story.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 9:17 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep, I agree, more YouTube babble by angsty people who are sexually frustrated.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 9:51 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I posted this on Ben's story on the main page, but will put it here also

I think it helps to get a couple things straight

1. Regarding the "leak" of the drug suspension.

This is NOT something the Blazers leaked to keep Darius from getting a chance with another team. Every other team had this knowledge from the league. So forget that. Someone (not necessarily with the Blazers) leaked it because they don’t like Darius OR someone just slipped up and gave something away. But it has nothing to do with hindering his chance to make another team, because every other team already knew. You can just forget that line of argumentation.

2. Regarding leaks about his medical condition.

The guy is medically retired with a career-ending injury confirmed by an independent doctor, and an insurance company is paying his salary. If anyone has incentive to make sure, it is the insurance company, and guess what? They are paying his salary.

This is all public knowledge. Talking about the injury is supposed to be hindering his chance to make another team? Hello? If KP or anyone else with the Blazers said not a word, what would be the big issue teams would consider if they were thinking about giving Darius a guaranteed contract? Um. Yeah. One word. KNEE!!!!

Will any team be influenced one way or another by a non-doctor like KP talking about his knee when they already know it’s been ruled career-ending? No way. If they want to take a risk, they’ll have their own doctor look at it, and they’ll be a lot more interested in what he says than what some GM in Portland says.

Did KP break the law? I don’t know. But neither of these alleged misdeeds by Portland "leaking" will have the least impact on whether Darius makes another team. Other teams will get their own information and make their own evaluation, no matter what Portland says. That information will include the email from the league notifying them of Darius’ suspension. It will also include the fact that he has this knee issue that they’ll want to evaluate.

This is silly. If there was a legal violation, it was inadvertent. There is no "agenda" to keep Darius from getting a chance with another team. The last thing other teams want to do is take our word for it about Darius, whether good or bad. They aren’t on our side. If they want to try him out, they’ll make their own evaluation.

People around here give KP too much credence. He’s brilliant. But he doesn’t use mind-control to make people drop in the draft. He doesn’t make people make trades that they don’t want to make, or think are bad for them. And he can’t and won’t keep people from giving Darius a try-out if they think he might be able to help them, and it would be silly to think he is saying things with that in view. He’s smart enough to know that he can’t do that even if he wanted to.

Added to this post (not on the main page): I love knickfan’s writing, and his analysis is almost always 100% spot on. Tominhawaii would say 110%. But friend, you’ve been barking up the wrong tree on this one. If KP said more than he should have, it was an inadvertent technical violation. The alleged motive of killing Darius’ career simply doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

Let me put it to you this way. If you are Donnie Walsh and Darius’ agent calls up and asks for a tryout, how should you decide? Factors:
1. Can Darius still perform at a high level.
2. How Darius’ personality fits with the team.
3. How Darius’ skills (if he still has them) fit with the team.
4. How does his drug suspension (which you learned about from the league, not from a Blazers leak) fit with your plans.
5. Will Darius be medically able to play through the season.

You will analyze #1 based on a tryout (no matter what KP says), #2 based on a whole body of evidence from multiple media reports and your own personal evaluation and discussions with him, #3 based on his tryout and your own analysis, #4 based on your view of your team, and #5 based on his medical retirement and whether your own doctor evaluates him and says the independent doctor was wrong, or at least overly pessimistic.

KP’s comments will have no bearing at all on any of those factors. Not the least little bit.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 26, 2008 10:48 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent points, well stated and presented

Thanks jscot for taking the time to formulate a response that went beyond the facile, all-too-common "In KP we trust" or "Don’t be a hater" comments that are frequently found following any news that may cast the Blazers in a less than beatific light.

I agree with your observation that legally, the allegations against the Portland front office may fall into something of a grey area. My disagreement with you is along the lines of an astute remark that was made by BE poster mac! (in one of the 20 or so comments that mysteriously disappeared off this thread on Saturday night). He noticed that while much of the focus here has been on what may or may not be the legal ramifications of the Blazers handling of l’affaire Darius, there has been scant attention paid to some of the troubling ethical questions that have been raised.

You may very well be correct when you say there was no "agenda" to prevent Darius from signing with another team. I’m certain that Allen, Pritchard, Miller and Golub never sequestered themselves in a teak-paneled office, fired up a raft of Havanas and hatched a scheme to make Darius so unattractive to the league’s GMs that his only hope of future employment in an NBA arena would have been as a peanut vendor. And I might also be able to accept the idea that every living soul in the team’s front office had nothing but Miles’ best interests at heart and acted accordingly. Nevertheless, the sequence of events following Miles’ medical retirement has created a net perception that the team has acted less than honorably in its handling of the situation.

In particular, there are two instances that I found especially troubling. The first concerns the news of the substance abuse suspension. As you correctly note, news of this suspension was faxed from the league office to every team in the league. At that point, it was strictly a private matter between Darius, the NBA and the teams. All relevant parties had the necessary facts in order to make a informed decision. If a team didn’t want to give Darius a chance based on that info, fine. No harm, no foul. But somehow the news of Miles’ 10-game suspension was made public. We still don’t know how this happened but it seems a pretty safe bet that the leak originated somewhere in the Blazer camp. If you recall, the leak of that news touched off a spate of public speculation as to what kind of heinous substance it was that warranted such a lengthy suspension. By the time it was subsequently revealed to have been for a diet drug, the damage was done. Darius reputation as a "druggie", a "bad character guy" had been further cemented in the mind of the public.

The other thing I have a problem with was the statement by Pritchard that Jaynes cited in his article:

"Two doctors said Darius had the worst microfracture injury they had ever seen," Pritchard said on an Oregonlive.com blog this week. "They would never have him play basketball and the odds of having knee replacement surgery is high. I hear that, and as a general manager, I didn’t want it on my conscience — that I had a kid have to go through a knee replacement surgery. That’s a pretty major surgery. They saw (two bones) and replace (the knee). It’s a bad deal."

This seems completely unnecessary. You already had an independent doctor’s assessment that the condition of Miles’ knee was career-ending. Just leave it at that, dude. No need to embellish further. Now, I agree with your observation that Pritchard’s comment wouldn’t be the last word on Darius’ condition and that any interested GM would surely call Darius in for a look-see by their own MDs. But here again, the real harm comes in the court of public opinion. A comment like the one made by Pritchard – no matter how innocently intended – ultimately serves no purpose other than to paint a portrait of Darius as "damaged goods" in the public mind.

In both of those instances, public commentary surrounding this issue appears to have been consistent with the Blazers’ own self-interest, i.e. that Darius stay good and retired. So, fairly or unfairly, the Blazers look to be guilty of statements whose net effect was to further the sully the name of a player whose reputation was none too strong to begin with. This, in turn, raises the possibility that any team interested in Darius may decide not to bother because of the potential public relations headache it might cause. Maybe the GM decides it’s just not worth the extra hassle to explain to the ticket buying public why their team is using a roster spot on a "druggie", a "bad character guy," "damaged goods."

What may wind up even more problematic for the Blazers is if the perception that they acted in bad faith gains traction among the league’s players. The fraternity of NBA players is pretty close-knit; word travels quickly; and, as a whole, they tend to pay attention to stories that many of us fans happily ignore. Y’know stories about little things like the manner in which a team deals with its players. Should that come to pass, Portland may come to be seen as a less than desirable destination among the league’s free agents. Maybe even some of their own.

Sorry to have blathered on for so long. I promise this will be my last word on this subject as I’ve come to grow as weary of it as many of you here already seem to be.

by knickfan on Jul 27, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

I disagree

1. “We still don’t know how this happened but it seems a pretty safe bet that the leak originated somewhere in the Blazer camp”

Unsubstantiated. Why would the Blazers do this? What Motive? If it was as you state, to drive down interest in Miles, then I would say that was pretty lame idea (from a guy, KP, who is notorious for not having lame ideas) since every team already knew about it. I just don’t buy a smart, ethical guy like KP doing this.

2. As far as KP’s comments to Jaynes, I would guess it would go like this.

Q: Hey KP, so Miles has been in the news lately regarding catching on with a new team. What do you think his chances are?”

KP: “Two doctors said Darius had the worst microfracture injury they had ever seen,” ....”They would never have him play basketball and the odds of having knee replacement surgery is high. I hear that, and as a general manager, I didn’t want it on my conscience — that I had a kid have to go through a knee replacement surgery. That’s a pretty major surgery. They saw (two bones) and replace (the knee). It’s a bad deal.”

PS. I know Jaynes didn’t speak directly with KP

What is unethical about any of that? I think Jaynes is just trying create something that just isn’t there.

Homer: "Oh no!! A Bear is eating my father!." (On seeing Selma kissing Grampa)

by 92wastheyear on Jul 27, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fred Jones
I just don’t buy a smart, ethical guy like KP doing this.

Ask Fred Jones how ethical Kevin Pritchard is. Of course I love what KP has done with the Blazer roster, but that was cold. Jones gave up a guaranteed year off his contract to be traded to his hometown. Within a year Jones is then shipped as filler in a trade to a disfunctional team of selfish losers (sorry knickfan.. it’s true).

by tweener on Jul 27, 2008 8:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Best thing to ever happen to him

I’ve gone into this before, but Fred Jones would have played zero minutes in a contract year for us.

He got to sometimes start, play a lot of minutes for the Knicks, and play for Isiah (who likes him) and now Walsh (who likes him).

Jones had no future with the Blazers. He got a chance to play elsewhere. Can’t ask for anything more.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 27, 2008 8:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cold yeh

Unethical…..no

Homer: "Oh no!! A Bear is eating my father!." (On seeing Selma kissing Grampa)

by 92wastheyear on Jul 27, 2008 9:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now THAT was a much better explaination of your concerns and well-presented. Rec.

There is a conflict of interest in that the Blazers would benefit salary-cap-wise if Darius doesn’t play. But you can’t say that it was the motivation behind these comments. Well, you can, but you wouldn’t know for sure. That’s why I got upset. You can’t assume that was the case, you can only guess. And I wouldn’t cast aspersions on someone’s ethics unless I knew for sure.

Now as far as free agents go, I think players want to win and make money most of all. The Blazers are a tight-knit group and a young talented player asked KP to get rid of Zach, and we all know why. That sounds to me like the players are on the same page. The Jailblazers are gone. Hopefully, free agents will look at the team KP has built and Paul Allen’s wallet. It seems unlikely that they would care that KP made some comments about a guy who was ruled to have a career-ending injury and already has a tarnished image.

Koponen - PG of the future. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Jul 27, 2008 1:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

James Jones

had a career year with the Blazers, and a second round pick who was kind of questionable in terms of sticking in the league managed to parlay that year into a 5 year 23 million deal with the Heat.

That’s the kind of thing that attracts free agents, not whether KP maybe said a little more detail about the injury than HIPAA permits.

BTW, worth pointing out that even if this was a HIPAA violation, the legislative intent behind that statute is clearly about medical insurance portability, consumer protection, all that jazz. For obvious reasons, a very wealthy multimillionaire athlete isn’t really the class of consumers worried about medical insurance portability that the Congress was really concerned about in enacting this law.

Not to say that rich/famous people aren’t covered, of course. For instance, I believe there was a case where some health clinic worker at a hospital for the stars sold medical info to the tabloids about a bunch of actors and got slapped down pretty hard for that—maybe even criminal penalties, I don’t recall exactly. The major difference here though is that KP was simply elaborating on something that’s already part of the public record.

by howlingfantods on Jul 28, 2008 1:16 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your right, I hadn't considered a few more factors...

Free Agents choose their destinations mostly based on:

1. Money (highest bidder – Rashard Lewis)
2. Winning team, less money (Brent Barry, Grant Hill)
3. Close to home (Baron Davis, James Jones)
4. Multiple factors in play such as young team with potential to win and money to spend (Elton Brand, James Posey).

It seems to have little to do with specific players or management. The Clippers have a notoriusly bad front office yet Baron Davis still signed there to be near home, and didn’t back out after Brand and Maggette left. James Posey left Boston despite the fact that he liked his teammates and won a championship.

Koponen - PG of the future. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Jul 28, 2008 10:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't mind discussing it, knickfan

so I don’t care if it’s your last word on it. Because you have a lot of credence with me in general, so I’m happy to hear your point of view.

I am well aware of the difference between legality and ethics. My faith drives my view on ethics, and the Blazers lost me as a fan before they started losing games. They won me back as a fan with the changing culture before they started winning games.

The fact that they decided to change the culture does influence me somewhat into the “In KP I trust” camp. When someone remakes their team entirely, and obviously is not only talking about changing the culture but actually walking the walk of doing it, I am going to be inclined to presume that they haven’t chucked that out the window without pretty hard evidence to the contrary. So while four years ago my presumption might have been that they weren’t acting with integrity, now my presumption is the other way. I think KP & co have earned that presumption. It doesn’t mean I’m blind to the possibility they could do wrong, just that I’ll want evidence, not just “it looks like they might have”.

So to these two events that trouble you. I agree that leaking the news of Darius’ suspension could have hurt him, and perhaps even did hurt him, in public opinion. Actually, though, now that we know what it is, I think better of him. I don’t think he should have been suspended for that, and I’m glad that he was looking at things like weight. It gives me the impression he really does want to play. Once the facts are out, I don’t think he’s been hurt at all.

But even if he has been hurt by it, which to me is uncertain, the leak will have zero impact on his chances with another team. So what is the unethical incentive the Blazers would have for leaking it? To charge them with an ethical failure, you have to A) provide at least presumptive, if not conclusive, evidence that they were the source of the leak and B) provide presumptive if not conclusive evidence that this was for unethical reasons.

So as to A), I will agree with you that the leak is more likely to have come from the Blazers than elsewhere, though it could have been Cheeks, and it could even have been one of Darius’ friends with loose lips, or even Darius himself. Not conclusive, but I’ll give you presumption—it probably came from the Blazers.

What about the motive? If it came from the Blazers, I’ll give you four possible motives. 1) They somehow thought it would hinder his return, and so they were malicious against him. Since they would have known exactly the violation, and that any team that wanted to know would be told (maybe they all were told up front), I just can’t put any weight (pun not intended) behind this possibility. Leaking this wasn’t going to hinder his return in any way.

2) A Blazers’ employee made an unauthorized leak out of a personal vendetta against Darius for some reason. This is entirely possible, Darius does make the occasional enemy. But the employee would probably have gone to Canzano in that case, right? That’s about a 99% certainty, that if someone wanted to go after Darius, it wouldn’t have been through Quick. I’d give this maybe a 10% possibility. I can’t charge KP or the Blazers organization with an ethical violation under this scenario, though. Rogue employees are everywhere.

3) Somebody slipped up and leaked it inadvertently. Loose lips, but not loose ethics.

4) They leaked it intentionally as in the public interest, and of interest to Blazer fans, without intent to really harm Darius, and without proper consideration to the appropriateness of the leak. Sloppy work, but not malicious.

I see no malicious intent that makes any sense. So I can view this as, at worst, a procedural breakdown or a rogue employee.

Again, if there were malice, the byline would not have been Quick.

As to the medical comments, I agree that some may have been unnecessary. I don’t see any reason to attribute malice.

As to hinder teams from giving Darius a chance because of potential public relations headaches, any team that takes on Darius knows it has huge potential public relations headaches. He’s just that kind of guy, he seems to find P.R. headaches even if he’s not always doing anything particularly wrong. And a team that gives the first guy back from medical retirement his chance has a great P.R. story as well, if he makes it.

I think you saw a neighbor’s barbecue and yelled, “No smoke without fire.” I just don’t think there is any there, there.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 28, 2008 4:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Curious

A couple of my comments on this matter seem to have disappeared entirely from this thread. Didn’t think they were really all that offensive. Overly critical of Blazer management, perhaps, but hardly anything that I think would merit deletion.

Wonder where they might have run off to?

by knickfan on Jul 26, 2008 10:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i dont like the idea of censering ideas

i dont have very many and need all i can find

"Doing research= good
Making up things=bad."

---jksnake99

by ptwnblzr on Jul 27, 2008 6:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If your comment is deleted

there should be a comment box with the explanation instead of the original post. Of course, I think pretty much just “naughty” language is all that should be censored. Well, on BE anyway. Everywhere else, who cares?

by Mike-Fu on Jul 27, 2008 9:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meh

I wrote a diary once and some nice guy was posting away and I was commenting back. Then they all went away. It was a guy who had been booted and came back with a new screen name.

I don’t think Dave or Ben edit content, just people. I wouldn’t worry too much about it.

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by tominhawaii on Jul 27, 2008 1:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not meaning to kill the fun...

I know people enjoy a thread filled with uninformed conjecture. However, the actual CBA actually deals quite well with what has occured here:

“ARTICLE XXII: MEDICAL TREATMENT OF PLAYERS
AND RELEASE OF MEDICAL INFORMATION

Section 3. Disclosure of Medical or Health Information.

(d) Subject to Section 3(e) above, each Team may make public medical information relating to the players in its employ, provided that such information relates solely to the reasons why any such player has not been or is not rendering services as a player. “

so the blazers do have the right and authority to disclose medical information relating to the Miles injury.

the section 3 (e) referenced in that section of the CBA states:

“(e) A player or his immediate family (where appropriate) shall have the right to approve the terms and timing of any public release of medical information relating to any injuries or illnesses suffered by that player that are potentially life- or career-threatening, or that do not arise from the player’s participation in NBA games or practices. “

that would mean that the only possible violation would be the blazers gave out information that Miles hadn’t “authorized”. However, that section deals with “before the fact” circumstance: “potentially…career threatening”. That isn’t the case for Miles. There is no “potenttial” and there is no “career threatening”. It is well past that point.. The Independent medical evaluation is “career-ending”. Substantial difference.

And all the comments referenced in Jaynes’s article took place after the ruling from the league.

So, there may be a remote chance that the blazers violated one section of the CBA, but the operative word there is ‘remote’.

As to a HIPPA violation…it’s less then remote.

And as to the “leak” of the fact that Miles has been suspended. Good luck making a case of that, since the testing organization knew, as well as the league office, and all 30 teams. That information was bound to come out, and soon. Even if the source was the blazers, where is the rule that was violated if they were the ones that leaked truthful information known by every front office in the league? And since Miles is supposedly trying to get work from those very front offices with that same information, where is the tangible harm from that leak?

by moldorf on Jul 27, 2008 9:41 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for posting that

I, for one, was too lazy to look it up.

by Corvid on Jul 27, 2008 12:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you!

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 27, 2008 9:57 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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