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I was thinking that I'd ask everybody here what current Blazer they're most excited to see this upcoming year. But that got me thinking that very few people would choose LMA, what with Oden, Rudy, Roy, Bayless, etc, etc. And that got me thinking that whenever we talk about our big 3, our core... it always seems that LMA sorta plays the 3rd wheel.

Is he the most expendable least desired of the big 3? If so, why? Why aren't we more excited about him?

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"I was playing rock band with my wife and a four year old girl, after U of H got their booty handed to them in the Sugar Bowl. My wife was playing the drums, and the little girl and I were on the couch behind her. I was just joking and pointed at my wife and whispered, "She’s a bed wetter." The little girl smile real big and said, "So am I." That really wasn’t the reaction I was going for so I just said, "All right, high five." Then she high fived me and I never joked about bed wetting again." ---tominhawii

by ptwnblzr on Jul 26, 2008 12:24 AM PDT   0 recs

We just don't know because Oden is unproven as yet

Until Oden has played a month of injury free b’ball I don’t think we can speculate about how valuable LMA will be. I think LMA will certainly score at least as many points as he did last season. If everything goes right he will be an ideal counterweight to Oden and will end up with more shots because the defense has to pay attention to Oden.

Winning is everything.

by MT Suit on Jul 26, 2008 9:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

no, he is not

aldridge can be traded just like any other, but why? He is going to compliment odens game so beutifully. I am excited to see aldridge play, he is balling with teem use in practice and I heard that the scrubs even won a few games, no tears there specially since we have our reps there. LaMonster of the low post!!

"I was playing rock band with my wife and a four year old girl, after U of H got their booty handed to them in the Sugar Bowl. My wife was playing the drums, and the little girl and I were on the couch behind her. I was just joking and pointed at my wife and whispered, "She’s a bed wetter." The little girl smile real big and said, "So am I." That really wasn’t the reaction I was going for so I just said, "All right, high five." Then she high fived me and I never joked about bed wetting again." ---tominhawii

by ptwnblzr on Jul 26, 2008 12:27 AM PDT   0 recs

LMA is the most expendable...

... because he’s not as good as Roy and I think Oden will be better than him also. If Oden turns out to be a bust, he won’t be expendable.

But “most expendable” of the big 3 isn’t saying much. LMA isn’t going anywhere unless something really great is coming the other way.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 26, 2008 12:30 AM PDT   0 recs

Gees, just how good does a guy have to be, to get you to NOT want trade him

and I think he is just as good as BRoy, just in different ways.

LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Jul 30, 2008 7:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

TRAIL MIX!!!

Roy is a superstar in the making, Oden has the physique of a potential superstar, and LMA is a good power forward making nice improvements in his game. Definitely the most expendable of the 3, unless Oden washes out, in which case it will be a Big Two…

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 26, 2008 12:32 AM PDT   0 recs

OUTLAW OUTLAW OUTLAW

Trout Season is soon coming… :)

Man I love tongue tacos - Mortimer
Only thing better is Trout on a stick roasted over an open fire - annthefan
I have a pic like that of my dog - tominhawaii

by Outlaw is Rejector on Jul 26, 2008 12:38 AM PDT   0 recs

I feel your pain.

I feel that LMA has the most potential of the blazers bigs in becoming a scorer. I feel that he has the ceiling of an Amare Stoudemire in terms of offensive production. He’s certainly doesn’t have the same skill set as Amare, but I believe that his production from last year is going to get a BIG boost this year. Can you imagine how an Amare+YOUNG Shaq combo would have been? That’s what we could have in 3 years! OUTRAGEOUS!

Andy Roddick has the most wimbledon titles in the world. He just hides them in Federer's trophy case

by premthegrem on Jul 26, 2008 12:47 AM PDT   0 recs

nah

Amare is a lot more explosive. IMO, LMA’s ceiling is a better version of Bosh, with the more likely scenario being a slightly worse version of Bosh.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 26, 2008 12:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bosh is good,

but I don’t think he has the range that LMA has. LMA can knock it down consistently from 18+, and I don’t think that’s in Bosh’s range. In that sense alone, I think he will exceed Bosh in terms of offensive versatility. However, I will concede that Bosh has him beat in terms of strength and power, (at least as of last season). It will be interesting to see if LMA has been successful with putting weight on his lanky frame. I think some bulk on his body could go a long way towards getting him perennial all-star status, especially when combined with that offensive versatility.

Andy Roddick has the most wimbledon titles in the world. He just hides them in Federer's trophy case

by premthegrem on Jul 26, 2008 1:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've seen Bosh hit 3s

in games. Last year he was 10 for 25, 40%. Small sample size, but it does indicate he has more range than you are giving him credit for.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 26, 2008 9:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LMA better jump shooter

But Bosh is more mobile, more SF-esque, and able to drive with the ball and makes moves off the dribble.

LMA doesn’t do that, at least not yet.

I say LMA is a better, hard working version of Rasheed Wallace. I’ll take that any day of the week.

I would not be surprised if LMA is always the leading scorer, but still most expendable of the Big 3. That is only in relation to Roy and Oden of course, and he isn’t a spare wheel in the slightest—him and Oden together will be nearly unstoppable.

Fans always rank players and of course he isn’t AS untouchable, but he is untouchable in his own right.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 26, 2008 1:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would hesitate

to say LMA is “better” than ‘Sheed. More consistent, maybe. Harder working, of course. Saner, no question.
But ‘Sheed is still one of the most talented inside/ outside PFs to ever play the game. From a purely skill-centered angle, there isn’t anything he can’t do well.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 26, 2008 7:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good points all

Until he shows it on the court, not just in the magical world of potential, you can’t say LMA is better than either Sheed or Bosh.

WWSBD?

TRADE 4 THE STACHE!

by nightbluefruit on Jul 26, 2008 10:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LMA was gettin' close to 'Sheed, last year

I think the old man is just one step in LMA’s way to being Great.

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 26, 2008 10:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not better than Sheed in his prime, sure

Not yet… but LMA is waaaaaay ahead of where Sheed was at in his early days with the Bullets/Blazers. Took him SEVERAL years to reach LMA type numbers, that LMA got in his 2nd season.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/rasheed_wallace/career_stats.html

Just going by numbers, of course. Sheed also didn’t become the great team and man defender that he was as a Blazer and Piston until he became older, and was never a great rebounder. I didn’t remember this, but it also seemed Rasheed struggled with injuries early on before becoming pretty solid injury wise later on.

So when I see LMA doing Sheed-esque stuff, doing what he does in his 2nd season, and knowing he works much harder than Sheed and has a much more focused mind, I feel confident in saying LMA will be a better version of Sheed. Of course, you are correct, he is not yet better than Sheed in his prime.

I loved Sheed’s game and wish he commited himself to working on his game and staying focused. He had MVP talent but didn’t want to use it every game.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 27, 2008 1:36 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

Thanks for coming to the rescue Mortimer!

LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Jul 30, 2008 7:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Meh

This is like a discussion about how valuable your third tire is, after the forth one went flat.

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by tominhawaii on Jul 26, 2008 5:01 AM PDT   1 recs

When I first read your comment I thought you said

“how valuable your third (wife) is, after the fourth one went flat. Hahahhahah

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 26, 2008 5:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I hate it when that happens.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 8:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh man

lol ann!

"You'd rather say 'whoa' than 'giddyup.'" ~ Dean Demopoulos

by Ben. on Jul 26, 2008 10:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Or went fat

Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.

by KP Corleone on Jul 26, 2008 2:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

"Doing research= good
Making up things=bad."

---jksnake99

by ptwnblzr on Jul 26, 2008 7:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

does any one else remember

when people would put in serious work on a fanpost, i mean like hours of reserch, with graphs, and numbers, links, and anilitical comparisons?, I remember some by

"Doing research= good
Making up things=bad."

---jksnake99

by ptwnblzr on Jul 26, 2008 8:04 AM PDT   0 recs

i sware to god i hit delete

I was going to post this flowing tribute to fanposts past, back when I was new, so I could give reference I was going to link to a few. went all the way back, and not alot has changed except me, my first comment, the posts werent better back then, I just new alot less and was more spong like. Thanks BE for my improved perspective.

"Doing research= good
Making up things=bad."

---jksnake99

by ptwnblzr on Jul 26, 2008 8:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes and no

You may have changed, but the blog has too. There’s lots more OT stuff which seems to find its way into the middle of threads rather than having its own OT FanPost or put in the Junk Drawer.

It is as if you put your scissors and nail file and screwdrivers in with the silverware instead of in the junk drawer. It makes it harder to find the silverware… It’s getting harder to find the silver here too.

"We, as Blazer fans, are perhaps the luckiest fans in the league."-Idog1976, July 19.

by jorga on Jul 26, 2008 8:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

deep...

deep.

Dig deep, that is. You need a loupe to help you see right.

Got BEdge?

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jul 26, 2008 8:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I feel LmA is the most important player on our team

How many times last year did we lose the game because he had a off shooting night. If LmA has his game on then it is twice as easy for everybody else on the team to get open shots. He is the focus of the offense and will continue to be. Leading scorer for the Blazers next year….book it. #1 option.

Bayless4Ever

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 26, 2008 9:19 AM PDT   0 recs

It's my Bedge anniversary

It was a year ago today that I finally bookmarked this site. Sure, I popped in every now and then, but Blazer’s Edge wasn’t a regular habit until I read Dave’s analysis of the Donaghy scandal. Now I’m a junkie. Thanks Dave. Thanks Ben. Thanks Everyone.

by Corvid on Jul 26, 2008 9:32 AM PDT   0 recs

Happy Anni

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 26, 2008 11:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Didya open your present?

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 26, 2008 12:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That brought back memories. Awesome!

I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

by JAB21 on Jul 26, 2008 7:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yessiree, I did open it

Good things come in small packages. I enjoyed it immensely, and I encourage other young’uns (in Bedge years, if not necessarily in Sol years) to click on it as well.

by Corvid on Jul 26, 2008 8:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Tell Tom's dog that.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 9:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Happy Birthday too

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by tominhawaii on Jul 26, 2008 1:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't know you were so young

Now I find you more attractive!

Congratulations on making it a year, and I for one am glad you have made this your home for all of your Blazer needs.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 26, 2008 2:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Aldridge is too underrated

and he always has been. Remember all the 20/10 nights he had? Look for more to come.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Jul 26, 2008 2:19 PM PDT   0 recs

Hardest working starter too

Hardest working starter that Nate McMillan has ever seen, as well.

So ya take a Sheed-esque talent and game, give him a great work ethic and team-first attitude, and you get a star.

Add in 6’11” and 7’4” wingspan, and you got all you need.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 26, 2008 2:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

More "inside" stuff on Seattle & Stern

Unsigned article from AP via ESPN

Schultz refused to sign off on the city’s settlement with the NBA (he has a separate lawsuit) because “he told his lawyers that he could not support that settlement “because my primary objective was to secure an NBA team in Seattle, and that objective was not adequately insured by that settlement.”

Stern contacted Schultz and :

“Schultz said Stern told him “that if I did not join in the settlement … I should realize that it will become very expensive for me and my partners, and he implied that I should reconsider my position.”

Schultz said he then told Stern the settlement did not contain strong enough assurances about the NBA locating a team in Seattle and that Stern told him “the NBA would offer no further assurances in that regard.”“

Was that a threat??

"We, as Blazer fans, are perhaps the luckiest fans in the league."-Idog1976, July 19.

by jorga on Jul 26, 2008 4:50 PM PDT   0 recs

No ;-)

From the same article: Stern said in a statement to The Oklahoman that “we had a friendly conversation at the close of which we both had stated our positions. There were no threats expressed or implied.”

That said, I don’t think Schultz’ lawsuit stands much of a chance. It will be very hard for him to prove that he didn’t know at all about the primary objective of the new owners to move the franchise to their hometown and thus the founder of a multi-national company and his advisors were deceived by a bunch of businessmen from Okie. So there is really no need for Stern to push Schultz to drop it, though of course he would like to have the whole discussion end rather now instead of dragging on until next spring when a ruling is expected.

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 26, 2008 5:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Truth spoken here

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 26, 2008 9:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Blazers are overrated

Oh, and Memphis is the team of the future. Now that’s a disciplined discussion on ESPN ;-)

I expect much more like this once the Blazers start coming close to a playoff spot.

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 26, 2008 6:26 PM PDT   0 recs

Is it just that some people like to argue?

None of those people in that “discussion” are going to switch sides and say “you’re right, I’m wrong” so why all the back and forth? Is it to have the last word? I hope none of the BE’ers (hey, that’s good) get involved in that sort of slapstick.

I do laugh at some of the pronouncements. My favorite : “Gay is better than any player on the entire Blazers roster.” But try to argue? Why bother?!

"We, as Blazer fans, are perhaps the luckiest fans in the league."-Idog1976, July 19.

by jorga on Jul 26, 2008 6:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

good god

“Gay is the best player on either team, Gasol is the best european coming in, Conley is a top 3 guard in the last two drafts, Mayo is the best player in the rookie class and Arthur was the steal of the draft.”

wrong
wrong
wrong
wrong
and wrong

that is toooooo funny

Bayless4Ever

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 26, 2008 6:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My new favorite quote is just in

“greg oden will be a bust, if and that’s if he stays healthy”

Soooo, his upside is bust? What’s the worst case?
I consider making that quote my signature (I like Oden themes). Would that jinx or motivate him?

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 26, 2008 7:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The discussions in the Portland Trail Blazers Message Forum on ESPN are usually better

Though often still not really great (also I don’t like the technical functions and layout of their boards anymore). That thread is in the General NBA Forum, which is more OT, chaotic, and changes quicker. But unfortunately I fear some Blazers fans are contributing to these useless “discussions” by constantly bragging about the potential of the team and how great KP is.

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 26, 2008 6:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gay is awesome

Roy pretty clearly had a better year than Gay did (and the numbers support that statement), but Gay has a lot more athleticism and showed signs of learning how to play last year. There’s no way I’d make that swap, but its not at all impossible that Gay could surpass Roy and some point in the future.

Gasol was named MVP of the ACB over Rudy, so that’s a legitimate opinion to have also.

Mayo being the best in the rookie class is a pretty bold (ie homer) statement and who really knows with Arthur- I think he’ll be a good role player but not much more.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 26, 2008 6:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A slow news day, yes?

I come home from working and slaving over a hot Sauvie Island U-Pick farm to find out that - gasp! - the Grizz fans are homers, just like us. OK, I admit it, I didn’t click on the link, so I don’t really have any legitimate reason to say anything BUT I have to admit, the Grizzzzley’s are on my radar. I’m curious to see what Conley can evolve to, the Gasol kid intrigues me (more than his bro), I’ve always liked Gay, and who knows what’s up with Mayo.

by Corvid on Jul 26, 2008 9:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah they will be fun to watch, in a few years. Just like this other team I know of.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 9:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't. Where was the poll? What was the question? It must be my bedtime.

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 10:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

haha

I hope you went to bed :)

by Section323 on Jul 26, 2008 10:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Mostly blueberries

They freeze so well. Nothing like a blueberry pie in January. Nothing like a blueberry pie in July, for that matter. . .

by Corvid on Jul 26, 2008 10:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm making blueberry Belgian waffles for a midnight breakfast. Yum.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 26, 2008 10:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm going to have more fun watching an organiztion I have nothing to do with than you will watching your organization that you have nothing to do with.

I watch more games than you so my team is better! I read stuff on the internet so that makes my team better. Blah, blah, blah… more YouTube speak. Are these kids bullied too much in school or what’s the deal?

I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.

by MGNNoah on Jul 26, 2008 7:11 PM PDT   0 recs

It's just over-compensation

For their little Grizzlies.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 26, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Your signature line made me realize...

Gandhi wasn’t very tolerant, was he?

But to respond to your comment (and MGNNoah’s), this is what passes for conversation on the internet these days. Unfortunately, dialogue has been abandoned completely, and has been replaced by really putting feeling it what you are saying. Worse yet, this problem is not relegated to internet conversations alone. Almost all public discourse has devolved into this. Brash assertions and name-calling is all that is left in our political processes and in advertising. No other forms of public discourse are even used anymore, and the two I mentioned are barely paid attention to anyways. That’s what makes this forum unique… well, most of the time. :)

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"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23

by T Darkstar on Jul 26, 2008 9:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would have to argue that saying that Gandhi is intolerant

for observing that Christians do a poor job of impersonating Christ is quite a claim. So many Christians are not strict adherents to the life of the man Jesus Christ—their dedication to the Old Testament demands it. Hopefully even the most stringent Christian would admit there are parts of the Bible that are impossible to coalesce.

So Gandhi observes that Christ as a man, philosopher, savior, etc. is a figure he respects. However, he notices that Christians (and I mean that not in the sense that they are of Christ but that they are members of the church of St. Paul) seem to differ from the namesake of their own religion. This is a completely fair observation and only implies intolerance so far as you presume it does.

Perhaps also think about how “tolerant” you would be of a religion that respected a nation (in this case the UK) that was routinely enslaving and torturing your people. Still find Gandhi intolerant?

WWSBD?

TRADE 4 THE STACHE!

by nightbluefruit on Jul 26, 2008 10:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sure all those very proper Brits ruling India were good christians.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 26, 2008 11:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bad annie! I keep telling myself I won't do that and then I go and do it. Repeat after me:

I will think about and comment upon nothing but the Blazers. I will think about and comment upon nothing but the Blazers. No religious commentary, no political commentary. This is a sports blog dedicated to my darling Blazers and I’m their #1 homer. That is why I come here. I will explore other blogs with religious or political content. There, problem solved. Oh, wait. That would severely interfere with my Bedging. Dang it. Now what?

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 27, 2008 12:16 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

My signature

made me really think about what being a Christian meant. Maybe for the first time (it was a long while ago). It’s easy to push aside what radicals of any other religion think of us, but when Gandhi says something about you, you at least have to think about it.
We could all (Christian or not- Episcopalian in my case- American or not) do with a little more compassion and tolerance.
Even of L*ker fans.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Far Side

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jul 27, 2008 11:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Blazer Homers Rule!

LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Jul 30, 2008 7:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Missionary?

Nah, make that doggystyle.

You want a link? I'll give you a link. www.google.com

by tominhawaii on Jul 27, 2008 5:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Darkstar- I agree with your points on societal discourse

And that scares me to no end.
This is the 3rd stage of curmudgeonism; The 1st being that time in your early 20’s when you first utter the phrase, “God-damned Kids!”; The 2nd is that first time you turn on a popular music station and realize that you now know the soundtrack that plays in Hell.
The 3rd stage is when you start griping about how communication, manners, and morality are on a steep, downward slide and are rapidly gaining speed.
People have been saying these things for generations and generations, and society has yet to implode.
Do your part to be civil, praise/ reward civil behavior in others, and try to avoid the dreaded 4th step of curmudgeonism- screaming “Stay of my lawn!!!” at random passersby.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
"Throw Thag, throw. Throw throw throw throw throw throw"- Fa