Bayless v. Rose? Choose your own adventure...
by KP Corleone
on Jul 25, 2008 11:55 AM PDT
Pretend you're KP. (Yes, it's pointless. No, this will never happen. Yes, this is really long. No, this is not an accurate portrayal of JP. This is just for purposes of debate. Humor me.) You just had lunch with Nelson Mandela, and he asked you for advice on how to win friends and influence people. You got back to your office and sat down to review an advanced regression analysis that projects between 6-9 championships over the next 15 years, depending on which guy(s) you're able to bring in this summer with all that cap space. Your phone rings. It's your assistant.
Assistant: Kevin, John Paxson on the phone. He sounds like he's been drinking.
You: Again? What is it, 3 'o clock Chicago time? Ok, what the heck, put him through.
You pick up the phone.
Paxson: Kevvy Boy! My man. Listen to me. Ok. So. I've got this guy I drafted. Devin Rose. He's good.
You: I know that guy. Big fan of Derrick. What about him?
Paxson: Well, I screwed up, kind of. This guy. Devin. He's from Chicago. Southside. He's got friends. Hundreds of them. Thousands.
You: I'm sure he does. He's a good kid.
Paxson: Yes. He is. But listen. These friends, they want tickets. They want loans. From Darin. From me. They're outside climbling on the Jordan statue right now. They're his posse. I'm scared of posses. It's almost happy hour. I have to do something. I've been watching this other kid you have on NBA.com. What's his name. Gerald. Gerald Bayness. He's good.
You: Yeah, Jerryd's a great kid. We really like him. He's got a chance to be special.
Paxson: That's what I think. Special. So listen. We like Gerald. He doesn't have friends. Not in Chicago. They won't climb statues. We want him.
You: I'm listening.
Paxson: I'll swap 'em. Straight up. Darin for Gerald. Plus a bottle of Jack. Sometime. Anytime. How 'bout today.
You: Well, that's an interesting offer, John. Tell you what. I want to talk it over with my people. Can I call you back?
You hang up and hit the big red button under your desk. Within seconds, four of your top guys slide down firemen's poles into your office. You give them the rundown. You ask for their thoughts.
Top Scout 1: Rose was the number one pick. Oden was the number one pick. I like number one picks. Pritchslap. Do the deal.
Top Scout 2: Rose put the other 11 players at Memphis, and Coach Cal, and Worldwide Wes, on his rather amazingly strong back and carried them kicking and screaming through the NCAA tourney. They almost won. I cried during One Shining Moment. It was magical. Do the deal.
Top Scout 3: Rose is legit. He's a pass first point guard with upside. He has nuclear athleticism. He's the next Chris Paul, with the size of LeBron James. His wingspan makes me think that, in time, he may actually learn to fly. Do the deal.
Top Scout 4: Listen. I was out drinking at lunch, too. But hear me out. Isn't it possible Rose got a little overrated during that tournament run? Weren't his stats pretty similar to Bayless's stats? Didn't he play for a much better team, with elite talent surrounding him, against mostly inferior athletes? Rose averaged 4.7 assists per game, Jerryd 4.0, with subpar teammates, in a superior conference. Jerryd had more turnovers, but he scored more.
Top Scout 1: Be quiet. You're an idiot. Go sober up.
Top Scout 4: Hold on just one second. Wasn't Jeryyd's situation at Arizona pretty much a worst case scenario? Didn't Rose look pretty ordinary in a mock NBA environment in Orlando? Didn't Jerryyd look pretty incredible in Vegas?
Top Scout 2: It's summer league!
Top Scout 3: Marco Belinelli! Nate Robinson! Marcus Banks!
Top Scout 4: I'm just saying Rose and Bayless didn't look that far apart in college. Rose was the concensus number two prospect, Jerryd the concensus number four. Jerryd slid a bit, yes, with our help. That was a windfall. But here's my point: given how close they looked in college, and how dramatically far apart they looked in summer league, doesn't that tilt the balance? Isn't Jerryd a better shooter? Won't he fit in nicely with Brandon? Are we ready to waive goodbye to the Bayless face? Is there such a thing as the Rose face? I don't want to find out. Maybe I'm insane. Don't do the deal.
Your assistant pokes her head in.
Assistant: Paxson's on the line again. He says he's going to trade Rose to an Italian league team for a Lamborghini if you don't pull the trigger right now.
You: Go ahead and put him through...
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KP makes that deal in a heatbeat
and does a little jig. Paxson gets fired on the spot.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jul 25, 2008 12:01 PM PDT 1 recs
Rose in the Rose Garden?
at the helm of a dynasty?
Every day of the week.
Bayless is good, no doubt, but Rose is a true baller. He almost won me $500 until a bunch of his stupid @$$ teammates blew it and missed free throw after free throw.
It’s like the Schonz says… You’ve Got To Make Your Free Throws.
Got BEdge?
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jul 25, 2008 12:07 PM PDT 0 recs
If I recall...
Rose missed a pretty important free throw himself!
Look…. Rose is over-hyped and Scout 4 knew what he was talking about.
by CaptainSexyJacob on
Jul 25, 2008 1:33 PM PDT
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You beat me to it!
Yup. No sense in throwing his thugmates under the bus when he’s guilty of the same crime: C-H-O-K-I-N-G.
As for the trade I hang on to Bayless but only because I’ve seen nothing of Rose since the NCAA tourney to convince me he’s the better player.
That may change over time but I tend to go with what I see and so far it’s been Bayless that looks like the pick of the guard litter in that draft, especially when it comes to that stone-cold killer instinct that separates good players from champions.
"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"
by broggerboy19 on
Jul 25, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
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"thugmates?"
Seriously?
Rose did miss a key FT but that pales in comparison to taking your team within inches of a title as a Frosh PG.
“As for the trade I hang on to Bayless but only because I’ve seen nothing of Rose since the NCAA tourney to convince me he’s the better player.” Might that be because there haven’t been any games of meaning since the NCAA tourney?
If you insist, though, a couple choice comments from the US National Team practices:
Dwight Howard: “Those guys have bright futures. We saw a lot of good things from Derrick Rose today. His quickness, his explosion … he’s going to be good. ”
http://www.nba.com/news/inside_presence.html
From and NBA.com blog: “Derrick Rose, Chicago’s No. 1 pick who only played two games in the Orlando Pro Summer League before bowing out with tendonitis has been strong all week, especially at using his handle to get into the lane and finish around the rim. The Grizzlies’ O.J. Mayo has also shined, but primarily at shooting the ball from the outside. I joked with NBA Entertainment producer Andy Thompson last night that if you could combine their games they’d be unstoppable. "They’d be Chris Paul," Thompson quipped. ”
http://my.nba.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5800009666
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by jksnake99 on
Jul 25, 2008 1:49 PM PDT
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Stone-cold killer instinct that separate good players from champions
My sentiments exactly. Even if you can’t know he’s that kind of player at this point, even the possibility is something you have to hold on to.
Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.
by KP Corleone on
Jul 25, 2008 2:04 PM PDT
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Speaking of C-H-O-K-I-N-G....
Bayless has shown that he does just the opposite
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by CaptainSexyJacob on
Jul 25, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
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when has he shown that?
and please don’t say summer league.
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by jksnake99 on
Jul 25, 2008 4:35 PM PDT
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summer league
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by 92wastheyear on
Jul 25, 2008 4:48 PM PDT
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+1
Jksnake, did you watch summer league? Especially the Suns game? My guess is no.
Obviously it wasn’t the NBA finals, but Bayless had this look in his eye down the strech that made it obvious that he has the potential (as distinguished from being there already) to be a clutch guy. He does not like to lose. If anything, the fact that it was summer league was even more encouraging as far as he competitiveness is concerned – how many guys give a crap whether they win or lose a meaningless summer league game?
Bayless gave a crap. And then some. If anything, I think there should be some concern that, in an actual NBA game, much less the playoffs, his head might actually explode from sheer intensity. This could also work against him (as it sometimes does against Garnett), but in any event, it’s fun as hell to watch.
Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.
by KP Corleone on
Jul 26, 2008 2:32 PM PDT
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I watched it...
It was a blast to watch and I was very impressed. Its summer league. Qyntel Woods was a summer league MVP.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Jul 26, 2008 2:40 PM PDT
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want qyntel an mvp in europe as well?
"Doing research= good
Making up things=bad."
---jksnake99
by ptwnblzr on
Jul 26, 2008 7:07 PM PDT
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... wasnt...
"Doing research= good
Making up things=bad."
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by ptwnblzr on
Jul 27, 2008 2:09 AM PDT
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wasn't......... ;-)
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by annthefan on
Jul 27, 2008 2:53 AM PDT
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yes and Qyntel Woods had tons of talent he was just a idiot who'd rather smoke pot and start dog fights....
than play basketball. He had talent, he wasted it. Before he was drafted he was a projected lottery pick who slipped because he got caught smoking weed. People knew he had talent they just didn’t want to take the risk.
by Zaron5551 on
Jul 26, 2008 7:36 PM PDT
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(See my post below)
KU against Arizona and KU against Memphis
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on
Jul 27, 2008 5:55 PM PDT
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I know he missed one late...
but weren’t there like 6 other misses in the last 5 minutes by other guys?
Got BEdge?
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on
Jul 25, 2008 8:50 PM PDT
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It was that CDR play that killed me...
there’s like a minute to go, it’s a 2 on 1, and instead of doing the wise thing and pulling it out to kill clock OR even passing to the 3rd guy trailing the play (who would’ve had an easy dunk or layup), that selfish CDR has to force it to the rim, only to totally blow the layup and then brick the two free throws.
That killed me. That’s when I knew I was losing the pool.
I will forever root against CDR for ruining what would’ve been one of the finest days in my gambling history.
Got BEdge?
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on
Jul 25, 2008 11:33 PM PDT
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Number 1. Rec
Very creative. I enjoyed that. One thing Im a little irritated about, why is the assistant a woman? ( you dont really have to answer that)
Ok, a couple questions I would ask (I of course am KP= katarina pritchard btw)
q. Does DRose fit our culture?
a. Well sure, he is a nice boy, but he is used to being ‘the man” ... he will have difficulty coming off the bench THIRD STRING and having to EARN the pg spot.
q. Do we need another “nice boy”?
a. Yes and we need Jerryd’s fire and ‘bayless face’ b/c honestly everyone on our team is no where near aggressive enough..ok except Joel but he’s the exception.
q. Is trading for DRose conceding to the notion that I made a mistake in getting Bayless?
a. OH CRAP … Yes it is…
NO go JPax No go..
Sophia
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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 25, 2008 12:11 PM PDT 0 recs
no its not (conceding that you made a mistake)
KP didn’t have the chance to get Rose. Bayless was the best player it was realistic for KP to get. Believe me, if he’d been able to get Rose without giving up the farm, he would have done it.
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by jksnake99 on
Jul 25, 2008 12:16 PM PDT
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+ a bunch
I remember telling him how impressed I was with a player during summer league. In Avery's unique voice, he replied, "Marc, it's summer league." I
by TwoDeep on
Jul 26, 2008 6:42 AM PDT
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Except KP has said his method
is to do his homework and go get the player he wants.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on
Jul 27, 2008 5:57 PM PDT
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dude the price for Rose
would have been something like Aldridge+pick 13+Martell.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Jul 27, 2008 5:59 PM PDT
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to the last q.
I disagree. We never had a shot at D-Rose, so in a sense JB was the best we could do with what we had. If we had the #1 pick in the draft, we would have taken D-Rose in a heartbeat. I’ll agree that JB is looking pretty fly in the #4 jersey, and tore it up with PetKo in summer league, but Rose is Rose.
As for the 1st q, why is Rose a nice boy? He was an assassin in Memphis, I mean on the court this guy really tore it up. That answers the 2nd q. Also, JB was the man at Arizona. The same question of whether he fits our culture applies.
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by premthegrem on
Jul 25, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
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He's a nice boy as opposed to Beasley, who has...character issues..LOL
well according to the media. I of course was completely joking that entire post, but it seems as if some valid points that I disagree with have been made.
Who knows whether or not we have a shot at Rose. IHe is a great PG and does carry the ‘pure pg’ title and is amongst what, 2 of them in this whole draft? So for that , perhaps Chicago was wanting to use that #1 to obtain some other pieces to fill up some other holes. I dont know, but it is not that far fetched in my mind, epecially w/ KP as gm. Of course if we had the #1 pic we would take Rose, however, that does not mean that w/ the 13th and 5000 2nd rounders we couldnt have tried to package something to get him.
JB was the man at Arizona, however, not in the way in which Rose was w/ Memphis. As we all know, he brought them to the championship game. He was THE MAN that ran the show. He was their superstar. JB was the man, but didn’t have that kind of status among the media at least.
-Sophia
Leaders build cultures that create self-esteem, generate and sustain trust, elevate the dignity of work , create community and foster open communication, and finally encourage growth and learning.
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by BlazerFan1 on
Jul 25, 2008 12:28 PM PDT
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the price for Rose would have been...(and still would be)
... on the order of Aldridge+Rudy or at least Aldridge+Webster.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Jul 25, 2008 12:36 PM PDT
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LA + Webster?
Paxson would laugh at that. LA + Rudy or Bayless, and I think he makes the move. Which would never happen – Blazers would never make either move.
Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.
by KP Corleone on
Jul 25, 2008 12:40 PM PDT
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LMA and Bayless?
I would have to think that would get it done, or at least damn close.
If I were KP, no way I’d move LMA and Bayless for Rose. Way too steep.
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by iDea on
Jul 28, 2008 7:40 AM PDT
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Of course that WOULD
be admitting a mistake.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on
Jul 25, 2008 12:42 PM PDT
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If Aldridge were included in a package back to Chicago...
Paxson basically owns up that he blew it in trading him in the first place.
Ego > Logic, therefore, he wouldn’t pull the trigger on that.
Got BEdge?
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on
Jul 25, 2008 12:42 PM PDT
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Paxon trades out of the #1 spot
Paxon’s house gets burned down by an angry Chi-town mob.
No way he would have traded down to #13 – unless we offered a package of Roy and Oden for Gordon and Noah and the #1 ;-)
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by Norsktroll on
Jul 25, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
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interesting.....
but rose had CDR….and from what i saw in the tourney, CDR shouldered the scoring load. Drose tried to, but couldnt. most of the time defferring to CDR. he didnt have that killer instinct, and in the end, didnt have enough to get it done….
Jbizzle didnt have a CDR..but he did post some pretty impressive numbers..
honestly, rose never impressed me as much as he did every one else. Westbrook, from what i saw in the tourney, completely shut him down….good thing dorsey shut down kevin love, and CDR carried the scoring load or Drose wouldnt have made it to the finals and got all this hype…from watching him, I always thought in the NBA he’s gonna be good. but not great…..his highschool state finals one year, he scored two points and his team lost. what kind of a leader is that?...obviously he’s matured, but still…
Sophia, i appreciate your posts..they’re well thought out and usually right on… seems like youre pretty high on rose, along with a bunch of other people…but really, i look at his #1 overall selection as an overreaction to Chris Paul….he is not chris paul….paul posted 62 in one of his highschool games. Derrick rose could never do that.. not ever….
The most talented player in this draft is Beasly…he has all the makings of another Charles Barkley…..I’m sure KP realized this…and although the pg position is our spot of need…had he been blessed with the first pick, he still would have taken the best player available..that being beasly….....of course all this is just what ifs, but i wanted to bring some perspective to the table…
also remmember the only other guy drafted #1 in the last ten years, shorter than 6’7 was allen iverson. He was posting near thirty a game at the time…...Derrick rose is no allen iverson. and as a point guard, he is marginally good…the jury is still out on him…..
one thing i do know, Jerryd Bayless can score, and he is fearless…two traits we lost in giving up Jerryd jack…not sure i wouldnt make the trade. probly not at this point..but ive never been much of a derrick rose guy…
by BroyTheTruth on
Jul 25, 2008 10:37 PM PDT
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o yea, chicago should have taken beasly...
i feel like im living in crazy world if no one else realizes this
by BroyTheTruth on
Jul 25, 2008 10:47 PM PDT
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this I sort of agree with
I think Beasley is the most gifted player in the class… whether he’s the best fit for the Bulls is debatable.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Jul 25, 2008 11:05 PM PDT
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Yeah
Chicago could have finally addressed their low post scoring needs and passed up on it. I mean I know BPA and all, but Beasley is pretty close to Rose potential wise and is probably more NBA ready RIGHT now. It’s not like Heinrich is terrible or anything, he’s pretty damn solid. I don’t know, maybe I’m just saying this because I don’t believe Joakim Noah will be their answer in the low post.
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by Dheepan on
Jul 25, 2008 11:20 PM PDT
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beasly easily surpasses rose potential wise....
just look at the two of them standing next to one another.. which looks more intimidating?....
i’d pick up beasly in a pick up game every time before Drose
by BroyTheTruth on
Jul 26, 2008 9:50 PM PDT
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Well, that’s the final word on that subject, I guess.
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by 12sharks on
Jul 27, 2008 3:18 PM PDT
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I'd pick Ben Wallace before CP3 too, based on appearance
But that wouldn’t make it right
Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.
by KP Corleone on
Jul 27, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
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yeah Rose stunk in HS
Only averaged 25, 9 and 9 and had 29, 9 and 8 as he led his team over Oak Hill (Oak Hill’s only loss that year). I wonder how all the hype started. I guess it was just the NCAA tourney.
You are correct- Westbrook shut him down- held him to 25 pts, 9 rebounds and 4 assists. What a bum. Howe he was the #1 pick I will never understand.
Seriously, want any other ridiculous statements that can be proved wrong with just a cursory glance at facts?
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by jksnake99 on
Jul 25, 2008 10:59 PM PDT
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links:
UCLA-Memphis box score: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=284000062
Bio, including HS numbers: http://gotigersgo.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/rose_derrick00.html
Also, its true that he had two points in an HS title game, but he had 7 boads and 8 dimes and his team WON (their 2nd straight title).
Doing research= good
Making up things=bad.
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by jksnake99 on
Jul 25, 2008 11:03 PM PDT
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my new sig
"Doing research= good
Making up things=bad."
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by ptwnblzr on
Jul 26, 2008 12:43 AM PDT
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Westbrook didn't guard Rose
Worst decision Howland has ever made since he started coaching. Collison tried to guard Rose and wasn’t athletic enough, and yeah, Rose owned him. UCLA should’ve beat Memphis, and that was the move that lost it. I was absolutely amazed – I had just assumed Westbrook – the one guy in the NCAAs (other than Mayo) perfectly suited to guard Rose – would D him up.
Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.
by KP Corleone on
Jul 26, 2008 11:44 AM PDT
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not going to man up and apologize for blatantly...
... making things up (in regards to his HS game) and instead trying to salvage your comment about Rose D-ing up Westbrook? Pretty pathetic dude. Lots of us have said incorrect things on this site, but you should at least acknowledge your mistake.
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by jksnake99 on
Jul 26, 2008 11:53 PM PDT
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with the hs comment, im just refferring to what ive read elsewhere
i know i saw westbrook lock him up, whenever he was on him….maybe im mistaken that his team lost the state finals, but two points in a big game is nothing to get excited over…
you must be rediculously high on rose….. enough to get your panties in a twist, and call me pathetic for suggesting otherwise…..
never subscribed to name calling…just makes people look bad.
anyway, hope life is good with you always needing to be right…..
you are informed, but maybe just take a chill pill….we’re all on the same page here
by BroyTheTruth on
Jul 27, 2008 12:00 PM PDT
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Snap!
That said, I think the Bulls should have taken Beasle-Bailey more to fit their needs. Trade down to the 2 or whatever. That matchup with Wade and Rose versus Roy and Bayless would be fun to watch.
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by MGNNoah on
Jul 26, 2008 9:58 PM PDT
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That Snap! below was for this comment BTW.
I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.
by MGNNoah on
Jul 26, 2008 9:58 PM PDT
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Why is everyone replying to that comment way up there and still going off onto another topic?
Anyway, Snake, Snap!!!
I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.
by MGNNoah on
Jul 26, 2008 9:59 PM PDT
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I though Budinger was the man
in Arizona. He was certainly the player who could hurt you the most.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on
Jul 27, 2008 5:58 PM PDT
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One of the scouts was female!
You just couldn’t tell from the gender neutral language. I flipped a coin on the assistant.
Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.
by KP Corleone on
Jul 25, 2008 12:35 PM PDT
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Sounds like Sophis was Scout #4
I didn’t know about her drinking problem.
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by LaoTzu on
Jul 25, 2008 12:37 PM PDT
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HAHA
Yes I am.. you found me out :)
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by BlazerFan1 on
Jul 25, 2008 1:01 PM PDT
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I actually have spoken with KP's assistant
and it turns out she was a woman…..and she wouldn’t tell me who they were picking (this was before the draft).
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by 92wastheyear on
Jul 25, 2008 1:37 PM PDT
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The only way I don't do this deal,
is if it is offered at the end of this year, and we find out that Rose is a sub .800 FT shooter. That is one area that Bayless really impressed me with, and Rose wasn’t that impressive against Kansas. But again, you have to look at the big picture. If Rose is CP 2.0, then Bayless is Gilbert Arenas 2.0. I would much rather have CP.
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by premthegrem on Jul 25, 2008 12:12 PM PDT 0 recs
i think fearless will be more like
ai
"Who do the historians think (t)he best crop of rookies on one team[up until now] is?"
---sothern oregon
"I'd have to go with the 12 disciples.... They pretty much turned the world upside down in short order......."
---prezofdeath
".....Judas was a big bust, he was the Darko of that class."
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by ptwnblzr on
Jul 25, 2008 12:22 PM PDT
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could you see fearless doing this?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI
You’ve prolly seen it already, but it’s still so funny.
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by premthegrem on
Jul 25, 2008 12:44 PM PDT
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No,
I promise that I only was thinking of iversons game on the court, and can not envision fearless suffering iversons particular brand of retardedness off the court.
(head down on bended knees)
Dear Kevy, please forgive me for my blasphomous ways. Ah-spam.
"Who do the historians think (t)he best crop of rookies on one team[up until now] is?"
---sothern oregon
"I'd have to go with the 12 disciples.... They pretty much turned the world upside down in short order......."
---prezofdeath
".....Judas was a big bust, he was the Darko of that class."
---RoyDrexler
by ptwnblzr on
Jul 25, 2008 12:56 PM PDT
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AI
Is a wimp on D and too cheap to spend money on tats or bling.Thanks for the sass,
by southern oregon on
Jul 25, 2008 11:26 PM PDT
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sass?
your welcome?
"Doing research= good
Making up things=bad."
---jksnake99
by ptwnblzr on
Jul 26, 2008 12:45 AM PDT
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this was fun
"Who do the historians think (t)he best crop of rookies on one team[up until now] is?"
---sothern oregon
"I'd have to go with the 12 disciples.... They pretty much turned the world upside down in short order......."
---prezofdeath
".....Judas was a big bust, he was the Darko of that class."
---RoyDrexler
by ptwnblzr on Jul 25, 2008 12:23 PM PDT 0 recs
Entertaining post
Completely wrong on the analysis though. If you are arguing Bayless is a better prospect than Derrick Rose, your homerism has formed a cataract over your eyes.
Seriously.
1. Are you serious about the hometown bit? I mean he hasn’t even played in the NBA yet, I wouldn’t start making assumptions about he handles himself off the court yet. This is like other fans saying Bayless is selfish because he didn’t pass the ball enough in summer league.
2. Stats don’t mean anything in college, it’s the potential to achieve those same (or greater) stats in the NBA that matters.
Now let’s breakdown why Rose is a better prospect than Bayless.
1. He’s taller and longer
2. He has tremendous court vision (like a Kidd or Paul) Bayless doesn’t have this
3. He is just as athletic and quick as Bayless
4. He was a better defender in college, with the ability to lock down both guard positions and the length to even bother small forwards
5. He played on a winning team
6. He can finish with either hand, and is really, really, good running the break
Really if you are looking for a real point guard Rose is the far better option. You really can’t tell me if you had the first pick in the draft you would be thinking Bayless. He’s a good player too, but he’s more of SG than a PG, and doesn’t have close to the point guard skills Rose already possesses.
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It's just a dying fiction
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by Dheepan on Jul 25, 2008 12:24 PM PDT 0 recs
Agreed on most of your points.
No, didn’t mean the hometown thing as a knock on DRose at all. Just trying to make up an excuse why Paxson would do this (along with a bit of the bourbon).
I think most of your checks in the “pros” column are valid. I just think they’re outweighed by Bayless’s pros. Just my personal take after watching summer league, and watching Rose all year.
I’m actually not a homer. Not even a legit Blazers fan. Big fan of KP, like Roy a lot, but I’m from Ohio – came as a package deal with Oden. This will be my first year on the wagon.
Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.
by KP Corleone on
Jul 25, 2008 12:33 PM PDT
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