A Prospective Guide for Credentialed Bloggers
Introduction
One of the best parts of spending a week in
Oh, I’ve read (or heard about) your stuff and you’re not really like a blogger.
I think that was meant as a compliment and for the sake of discussion I took it that way, but it’s also seriously in error in at least a couple ways. First, and most obviously, I am a blogger! This is what I do. This is a good thing to be. This is what I want to be. As far as this league goes other than driving TV ratings through the roof with my incredible good looks I can’t imagine any other form of coverage or communication I’d be better at. Second, our work here (at least in terms of quality and value, if not style) is not so unique if you look around the blogging world. I hope it’s good, but I know for a fact that many, many people write incredible stuff every day. Why, then, are bloggers defined by the worst examples of the medium instead of the best? Why is anything decent and responsible defined as "not really blogging"? How is this perception affecting the credentialing process?
As conversations continued it became apparent that there were two root causes for suspicion of blogs and therefore concern over credentialing them:
1. Many folks, including people who work for teams and deal with fans and the public, just aren’t that aware of blogs. They know the medium exists but they aren’t familiar with the specific work that’s going on in their communities.
2. Even those who are familiar with blogs are concerned about credentials because compared to other credentialed media bloggers don’t have oversight, a clear system of checks and balances, or anything above themselves to which they subscribe and to which they can be held.
The more I thought about these issues the more I felt it’s time for us to have a wider discussion involving bloggers, teams…everyone involved really. To help facilitate this discussion I’m going to post a couple of pieces. I’m beginning with something that is probably needed in one form or another: a credentialed blogger’s code of ethics. The second piece, likely coming tomorrow, will be addressed to team officials who have the potential to deal with bloggers and who make credential decisions.
Purposes and Goals: An Important Note to Fellow Bloggers
Before I get into the ethics piece itself, some necessary caveats for my fellow bloggers:
--I am not in any way, shape, or form suggesting that this is the only standard by which blogging should be done. I’m not suggesting it’s the best standard or even a good standard! Rather I am synthesizing information I’ve gleaned from our credential process and from interaction with other folks who are concerned about this issue from a team and accountability point of view. To be effective this work has to lean pretty heavily on their needs and much more lightly on the needs, views, and prerogatives of bloggers. Along with this comes the acknowledgement that the blogosphere would be a poorer place if everybody did it the same and that some blogs are infinitely better because they don’t adhere to standards like this. This isn’t about homogeneous blogging, it’s about the things a blogger might need to consider if credentials are part of the plan.
Some blogs may not adhere to all of these and may already be credentialed. That’s fantastic! Their teams are out ahead of the curve. It’s assumed, though, that the audience here will primarily be teams and blogs who have not dipped their toes in the water yet, who need something more to feel comfortable.
--Some bloggers will rightly say that these are simplistic and basic standards that shouldn’t have to be repeated. This is also correct. This is not meant to be a patronizing, pedantic lecture. In fact most bloggers I know already adhere to similar standards. But understand that this is not just for bloggers but for the people who will evaluate bloggers for purposes of credentialing. There is value in having these things written down somewhere, spoken out loud, available for reference. It helps people outside the community see that bloggers do care and can have accountability.
Even though most bloggers are quite responsible, people don’t know that. It's easier to read headlines and horror stories than to spend time getting to know people. When I identified my affiliation at Summer League some folks literally stared at me as if I was going to sprout six heads and do something radically inappropriate right on the spot. Part of the reason they don’t know that most bloggers are responsible is that bloggers themselves haven’t flat-out said it, or explicitly said that they care about responsibility, or defined what responsibility looks like to them. If we don’t communicate that in public at least a little bit it’s hard to blame other people for not picking up on it.
In other words, if you're saying, "Well...DUH!" please understand this isn’t just for us. It’s for all the people watching us.
--Some bloggers will say that they already do these things and they still don’t have credentials, so what difference does it make? This is meant to be a beginning point for discussion, not a “how to get credentials” manual. Each team is different in its evaluation and credentialing process. Maybe something like this could give you a fresh start in opening that door with your team.
--This is not meant to be the final word. If this gets any traction at all it will evolve with feedback and time. Think of it as a living document, growing as people contribute their ideas and views. I expect that will be a major part of whatever discussion might develop from this. Some things could be added, others taken away. That’s fine by me.
In the end the dream is to have something that a non-credentialed blogger could show to their team and say, “This is what I adhere to. This is what you can hold me accountable to if you credential me.” Even better would be team officials reading something like this and saying, “We could adapt this for our use and credential a blogger or two who would agree to adhere to these standards.” Somewhere, sometime, somebody is going to have to do the work to make something like this a reality. Teams and bloggers will need to come to an accord on matters like this. So why not start now?
An Attempt at a Code of Ethics for Bloggers Seeking Credentials
Each item has an assertion and an explanation of its importance. The main points are in bold. Feel free to skip the explanations if you already have a handle on it.
1. I will not seek or expect to receive credentials until I have a proven track record.
Blogging tends to be a temporary medium. Bloggers themselves have trouble deciding which blogs to link in their sidebars because half of them disappear within six months. Teams cannot issue credentials in that kind of chaotic environment. Ideally team officials should already know your name and your site before you even make a request, providing they have paid attention at all. They need to see a long history of quality writing, proven readership, productive interaction with your community, plus ideally a good relationship with and citations from other media. They need time to develop a comfort level with you and your work. We’re talking in the range of a couple years of quality work, not a couple months. Some patience is required on the blogger’s part.
A corollary to this assertion is that if you request credentials, get denied the first time, and then flame the team openly in your blog for turning you down don’t expect the answer to change in the future. Bridge. Gasoline. Match. Enough said.
2. I will not attempt to shortcut the team’s credential process.
It seems like blogging has been around forever, but the idea of blogging vis a vis media credentials is still in its relative infancy. Trust is vital. Misrepresenting one’s blog, motive, readership, or anything else to the team in an attempt to gain credentials breaks that trust, as do obvious fraudulent acts like trying to gain access using other people’s credentials and the like.
3. I will keep my writing friendly to all ages and backgrounds and adhere to standards of public discourse. I will moderate the blog to encourage the same from other contributors to my site.
This is a huge issue in the blogging community and writers rightly fall on all sides. Profanity, for instance, is indispensible to some blogs and writing styles. Nobody is arguing against that. Nevertheless, we live in a world where branding is everything. Credentialing a blog isn’t exactly stamping the team’s logo on its masthead, but it is a form of tacit approval. The idea is that people interested in the team, including fans and season ticket holders, are going to be reading what you write on the basis of your access. The team is not likely to view liberally-sprinkled F-bombs in the posts and comments as congruent with the image they want to portray. One call from a grandma in
4. I will dress appropriately when I cover the team.
It may seem trivial, and I can see half of you rolling your eyes as we speak, but this is the kind of “first impression” thing that can affect your reputation and standing.
Journalists avoid all team-specific clothing because it’s against their code to display any kind of fandom while covering the team. Bloggers can’t do that. Bloggers are, for the most part, fans. That is their strength. For bloggers appropriate dress is not determined so much by what we are as by where and with whom.
In the stands and in public wearing a team jersey is a sign of support. Not so backstage or in the locker room. In those venues the only people wearing jerseys have earned the right to wear them. They have worked all of their lives for that right, they defend it every year against people trying to take their jobs, and they all know people who have tried but fallen short and now can’t wear the uniform. Out of respect nobody else but players should be wearing a jersey in that place and time.
This is also true to a lesser extent with team logo clothing. Some form of it is usually worn by team employees on game night. Many of them have also worked years to gain their positions and earn the right to bear that logo in that context.
A site-specific t-shirt or polo shirt is a great option for attire. It identifies your particular affiliation and can be claimed as uniquely yours. Failing that, checking out the sartorial habits of those around you should give a clue as to what’s appropriate backstage.
5. I will understand what’s fair game to report and what is not.
Once a team issues a credential it has fairly little control over the reporting that is done on the basis of that access. It sounds silly, but this appears to be one of the deep-seeded fears: that some blogger will walk up to a player and ask, “So, how’s that divorce going?” Teams worry about grandstanding bloggers trying to get hits and make a name for themselves by asking inflammatory questions and provoking inflammatory responses.
Teams also know that once you’re in that locker room you’re going to hear things that shouldn’t go beyond the room. Overheard venting by players and coaches, team officials on their cel phones, discussions assumed to be off the record, personal matters that lapse into the professional venue…all of these have the potential to do unnecessary damage to the team’s image if not handled carefully. Journalists usually know what’s fair game and what’s beyond the pale. Do bloggers know? Do they even care? Teams want an answer before they allow you in the locker room.
The following guidelines could be helpful:
--Whether it’s with a team official, coach, player, or other member of the media, any conversation that is off the record never gets printed, in whole or in part. That information can help your own, personal understanding but it cannot be repeated. You will be tested. Blow it once and your credibility is gone. You may receive a temporary ratings boost, but what good is that if you can never get information afterwards?
--Personal matters have to be handled with the utmost respect and caution. This is especially true with a player’s relationships and/or public image. Unless there’s a tangible reason to inquire about or print something, leave it alone and report on the game.
--Things you overhear or observe about the meta-functioning of the backstage area need to be handled with caution as well. People want to conduct their personal and professional business without feeling that they’re shadowed every moment by prying eyes, otherwise they become virtual recluses. Even with a casual mention like, “The assistant coach stepped out for a smoke before answering our questions” how do you know he didn’t just promise his wife he’d quit? If it’s not pertinent, leading directly to a better understanding of the game or the team, leave it out.
--When in doubt, either because of the appropriateness of the subject matter or because you’ve heard it third-hand, ask the party involved or the team P.R. department if it’s OK to print. The vast majority of the time the answer will be yes, but on that one occasion in ten when it’s not you will save a ton of trouble.
6. The line between observed fact and my opinion will be clear in my writing.
Getting credentialed gives an implied authority to your words. You have been there. You have observed first-hand. You have heard authoritative figures speak. Traditional journalists make their living conveying facts and quotes. Blogs, by their nature, mandate a hefty dose of opinion and discussion alongside those facts and quotes. The blogger has a responsibility to delineate between those two genres of information. Things that are directly observed and quoted generally should not mix with extrapolation or opinion unless the latter is clearly identified. Otherwise the reader is apt to take the blogger’s opinion as fact…or worse, attribute that opinion to a team official instead of the blogger.
If you convey Statistical Observation X as fact, followed by GM Quote Y, but then without differentiation launch into Opinion Z that a player is going to be traded, readers are going to assume that the three are bundled and carry equal weight. They are also apt to assume that since Quote Y and Opinion Z are linked, the GM must hold Opinion Z as well. This will cause all kinds of consternation in the front office when your story gets linked everywhere. Fact and opinion are both necessary, but you have to be clear which is which.
7. Criticism is fundamental to the process but I will criticize in a defensible way, remembering that I’m talking about human beings.
Critical thinking is necessary when discussing sports. Nothing is 100% solid. Different viewpoints have validity. Nothing is perfect. Improvement is always possible. Any writer who forgets this quickly loses credibility with readers and becomes a non-factor. It’s not a matter of whether to critique, but how.
In general criticism should be respectful, give the benefit of the doubt where possible, and be based on commonly observable data. For instance, there’s a difference between saying, “Player X looked lost on defense” and saying, “Player X is an idiot!” Ideally if called out on your criticism you should be able to sit down and look at the tape and say, “Here are the things that prompted the critique.” For instance, in the previous example if Player X appeared to miss rotations on three plays in a row you could theoretically point that out and the player or another party could either confirm it or show why the observation you made doesn’t necessarily lead to the criticism you put forth. The “idiot” option doesn’t leave that avenue open.
Shorthand is not your friend while critiquing. Credentials and crusades seldom mix well.
8. I will respect the constraints and deadlines of other media in the locker room and not interfere with their jobs unduly.
Both new and traditional media have a place in the locker room. The difference is the traditional media member has a 10:00 deadline and a $50,000 a year job riding on it. When possible let them get what they need first and don’t get in their camera shots.
9. I will not ask the same three questions to the GM and coach all the time. I will use the particular assets of a blog to my advantage and the team’s advantage.
At this point in its evolution traditional media has a clear blueprint: ask the head coach, ask the GM, ask the superstar, synthesize as short and clear of an answer as possible, then publish. They have limited space and time and are absolutely required to chart the most obvious course, getting the most bang for their buck. Speaking frankly, the world doesn’t need a seventh person asking the same questions of the same people that six others are. Blogs have several unique assets: unlimited space, fewer time constraints, a devoted and insatiable readership. It’s fine to piggy-back on what the traditional media does but value increases exponentially when a blogger branches out, asking questions of people the traditional media folks pass by and printing responses they don’t have space for or interest in. How many people does a credential open the door to interviewing besides the head coach, GM, and star player? How many stories will not get told unless you take an interest in them and convey them?
10. I will not get co-opted just because I have credentials. I will remember where I came from and what I am there to do.
We’ve talked extensively about fidelity, responsibility, and caution, but it’s also easy to go the other way. When you look a player in the eye and talk to him it becomes harder to criticize him. When you’re happy the team credentialed you and you feel part of the bigger unit it’s hard to call the organization to account. This is good to the extent that it makes us cautious in how we do these things. But it’s easy to slip into being a house organ, which does no good for the blog or the team. Appropriate credibility and distance are necessary to good reporting and evaluation.
It’s also easy to get co-opted into the journalism standard. Bloggers suffer when they try to be half-baked journalists instead of fully-baked bloggers. It’s necessary to develop a relationship with traditional media and it’s necessary to learn some of the mores and folkways of the behind-the-scenes environment from them. But some things other media do are not the best approaches for bloggers and some things they eschew are exactly the approaches bloggers should be taking. The standard of objectivity which requires journalists to deny any fan-hood in order to maintain credibility will kill a blog dead in its tracks. At Summer League another stark difference between traditional media and bloggers was pointed out to me. Traditional media live and die by the quotes they get. Much of their work happens in the moments just after a game or practice. I don’t necessarily need quotes to do my job well. They are helpful and illustrative, but often what people do and what happens in the space around them is as informative as what they say. Indeed, sometimes what they say can be misleading. A journalist would get killed for making those kind of judgments. A blogger often lives by them. Neither approach is better or worse. Each has strengths and weaknesses. The world is better off for having both.
Next Up: The other shoe...suggestions to help teams understand and deal with blogging and bloggers.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Very thought provoking
I didn’t read through this all the way through yet, so hopefully I don’t repeat things you have already said. I just wanted to get my thoughts down before they escaped my noggin.
In 2008 internet journalism(Blogging) has become very widespread, and is slowly gaining a high level of credibility within main stream media. My question is, and I know its hard to answer, but how does accredited blogging in 2008 compare to the begining days of sporst beat writers? Or to be even more obscure, the begining days of journalism in America?
I believe both were met with skepticism, and intrigue, before being fully embraced. It appears as if Sports Blogging is following this type of pattern. Sports Blogging is still breast feeding from the nipple of accepted media (sorry for being graphic). and I think that is rightfully so. The Internet is the wild wild west, and French revolution wrapped into one dangerous place where uncertainty is abound.
Great respect should be given to sports bloggers who earn credentials, it’s hard enough to gain readership on the Internet, and has to be 100 times harder to catch the eye of a team official and somehow convince them to allow you into the locker room for the betterment of your “blog”. However, its a complete crapshoot. I understand that for the most part, blogs like BlazersEdge and others who have credentials earned that right by being consistent and solidly unbiased, and influential, but there are countless other blogs that have come and gone with similiar dedication who thankfully never recieved any kind of insider team access.
Blogging still has a stigma, which perhaps is necessary so that we can seperate the big time players from the here and gones. Imagine if it was like this in newspaperland.. Everyone coming out with their own paper, and no one really knows which one is worth the read….. Oh mylanta.
All and all.. BlazersEdge is a huge service to the city of Portland, and to Blazer fans worldwide, and we all thank you.
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by Outlaw is Rejector on
Jul 24, 2008 4:12 AM PDT
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Wow
lots to think about. The more I read, the more I thought “there aren’t many who will achieve this”. (Too much trouble for some, no belief in the guidelines for others, and other reasons for yet others.) But if it would get credentials for those who would subscribe to and practice these guidelines then it’s a reward.
What about the beat reporters and other media employees who have blogs as well as their assigned duties? My first thought would be to rename what they do. A “blog” would be for the amateur, the totally unconnected writer, while a “log” (for example) would be for the Jason Quicks and Mike Barretts of the world. If their “log” is not on the team or medium site, then their affiliation would have to be provided no matter where it is hosted.
I’ll have to digest the rest awhile, these were just my initial thoughts.
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by jorga on
Jul 24, 2008 6:19 AM PDT
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20 minutes of my life I'll never get back
Dave, this post made my head hurt like nothing has since the earlier salary cap post with all the color coded charts.
Thanks for all you do for us Dave.
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by 24thewho on
Jul 24, 2008 7:20 AM PDT
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The term blog is overused
I’m not a blogger, but I share information over the internet with other people frequently. I’m not alone, and that widespread sharing, not onlyblogs, is the future of news and information. It just is. Newspaper, magazines, TV news, and all the old-style ways of covering news are going to further diminish as time marches on. Which makes it fairly obvious why there’s such a backlash against non-traditional news-sharing (see: Eggers, Kerry)
I’m not sure what else there is to discuss. The internet is the future. Print and television media are not.
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by leeroyjenkins on
Jul 24, 2008 7:46 AM PDT
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For great examples, look at this year's election race
Many of the most important stories have been uncovered by non-traditional media. And in fact, the non-traditional media has had to correct the traditional media and/or edit their sloppy reporting on numerous occasions. The latest example in fact happened just a day or two ago, is Katie Couric and CBS editing McCain’s interview to leave out his misstatements – a blatantly unprofessional move caught and publicized only by internet information-sharers.
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by leeroyjenkins on
Jul 24, 2008 8:02 AM PDT
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Print will remain
for a very long time, in partnership with Internet. Agree with your first paragraph, lee…, but, respectfully, not the second one. This is a topic long of interest to librarians, whether books would become relics, kindled on the Internet fires. Contrary to earlier concern/expectations, library circulation continues to climb, despite, or even due to, the internet. Yes, technology plays a greater role in the future, but not exclusive one. There is a “Devil in the Details” aspect to the tech over print transition/partnership, one with many guises.
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by Caveowl on
Jul 24, 2008 2:33 PM PDT
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Right
The young’uns don’t remember that TV was going to destroy the movies too.
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by jorga on
Jul 24, 2008 5:18 PM PDT
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and many many boxes of reel-to-reel tapes … all that fits in a flash drive.
Cave Canem!
by Caveowl on
Jul 24, 2008 5:23 PM PDT
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What is a blogger?
I have a couple of blogs and I’ve been know to write a fanpost, does that make me a blogger? I don’t do sports so the credentials thing isn’t a big deal. I’ve read people on Blazer’s Edge call someone who wrote a fanpost a blogger. I don’t really think we’re bloggers, we’re just part of the community.
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by tominhawaii on
Jul 24, 2008 8:15 AM PDT
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Very In-depth
Somebody give this man a raise. Top shelf Dave. Keep it up.
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Jul 24, 2008 8:20 AM PDT
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An interesting project...
I will say that, without a doubt, the following is One Of The Things That Doesn’t Belong With The Others as they say in the Sesame Street hood:
3. I will keep my writing friendly to all ages and backgrounds and adhere to standards of public discourse. I will moderate the blog to encourage the same from other contributors to my site.
This has NOTHING to do with anything, other than a quirk of personal taste. Are magazines and newspapers that print full-contact, reality-based language not worthy of being credentialed? Do you think Playboy is arbitrarily denied access because they print pictures of naked girlies?
Dave doesn’t like pottymouth, fine. Dave doesn’t want pottymouth on his site, fine. Dave theorizes that pottymouth makes people stupid, debatable. Dave thinks that banning pottymouth should be a mandatory minimum for gaining blog credentials, non-sequitir.
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by timbo on
Jul 24, 2008 8:55 AM PDT
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A couple quick examples of publications employing "full-contact, reality based language"...
............................ The Progressive (magazine), In These Times (newspaper).
G-rated doesn’t mean GOOD.
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by timbo on
Jul 24, 2008 9:01 AM PDT
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And further...
............................... some of the blogs in BE’s own little SB Nation oligopoly allow “full-contact, reality based language,” and others do not.
Personal preference.
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by timbo on
Jul 24, 2008 9:04 AM PDT
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point in case
I have never heard or read anything from either of those publications, or even heard of them until you posted their names here. Yet I have heard of the New York Post, even the National Inquirer and the STAR. They don’t even report truth, yet they are known. How I speak or write direction reflects on how I am viewed, both my upbringing, my education, and even my race. When writing for a mass audience a writer should try to use a form that will reach the majority of his/her readers, and the same can be said for blogs, NBA teams, etc… If the blog is about a subject, team, band, etc… who’s very nature is more R rated than PG rated, than the use of F-bombs and the like more widely accepted. However if the blog is about a subject, team, band, etc… that is advertising to a more broad base of people, everyone from G rated, (kids) to the unrated crowed, than for the most part a writer should error toward the G rated crowd as most of them would be offended and put off by the lauguage, while the Unrated crowd would most likely still read the blog and not be offended by the lack of such language.
Just my opinion.
by usmcr3049 on
Jul 24, 2008 9:40 AM PDT
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“How I speak or write direction reflects” that should have been “directly”
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Jul 24, 2008 9:41 AM PDT
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I think there are two issues
1.) Who is your audience or who do you want your audience to be?
Sometimes the audience that a blog will appeal to will be small. For example experts in a particular field may start a blog of sorts to enhance informal communication and dialog. You could increase your audience to the layman, but your blog would then lose its more technical appeal. You may or may not want that depending on what the focus of the blog is and direction the creator wants to take it.
2.) Do you want access to the product you’re blogging about or do you want to stay on the fringe?
A sports website may cover a team and LIKE being on the edge and viewed as a complete outsider. They may not care about the interviews or the interviews may be more “street” and thus being interviewed could help increase the “street” creed of the player being so interviewed. The player may enjoy that while the team may not and so you may become a place that gets interviews with those players even as the team shuns you. (This is an example, i have no idea if that actually exists but I can easily see that happening.)
Or a website may want access, be for the casual fan with a focus on not just reporting but education. Such education requires interviews and so the culture/branding of the site needs to reflect the culture/branding of the team in order to attain the MOST access.
My two cents anyways.
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by ratbastird on
Jul 24, 2008 9:50 AM PDT
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You're incorrect sir
When you say
This has NOTHING to do with anything, other than a quirk of personal taste.
Branding is everything and the language allowed within your brand represents your website/brand. If a team is going to give access to you to represent on this website, then it is allowing itself to be represented in a certain light. For example, going on howard Stern will provide a different flavor than showing up on talk of the nation.
Where a team and player decides to market itself with interviews will always depend on the look/message they want to deliver. The different atmosphere holds true with blogs too.
As marketing savvy as companies are, today, all those little nuances tend to be looked at and taken into account when marketing a product. Make no mistake that every interview, every commercial, every skit is a form of teams marketing their product, or players marketing their “look”. Many things that you see are orchestrated to display a certain image and that includes venues that they allow interviews/access to appear in.
That said, while blogs that are more adult orientated can certainly receive access or credentials, a good marketing crew is going to look at that and debate whether that’s the message they want to send out and it will CERTAINLY effect the people who are willing to interview because marketing/PR can easily say “no” if the website brand doesn’t match up to the team brand.
When it comes down to it, if you want the MOST access your brand of blogging needs to match up to the brand of what you’re blogging about as well as having unique qualities that make it stand out.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
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by ratbastird on
Jul 24, 2008 9:21 AM PDT
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bah... need editing!!!
When it comes down to it, if you want the MOST access, your brand of blogging needs to match up to the brand of what you’re blogging about, AS WELL AS having unique qualities that make it stand out.
Hopefully that’s a little clearer.
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by ratbastird on
Jul 24, 2008 9:24 AM PDT
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Oh, I'm sure teams will continue to exert pressure through their credentialing process...
............................ toadies will always get cutsies and stern critics “accidentally” overlooked.
A blog with flowers and bumblebees and happy children at play will always be regarded more warmly by a big sports entertainment corporation than an ongoing pottymouthed skreed by an ill-tempered misanthrope.
But bowdlerization should NOT be a minimum requirement for playing the digital journalism game, as Dave implicitly states. Credentials should be awarded on the basis of journalistic need, not on the basis of promises of self-censorship or verbal temperance.
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by timbo on
Jul 24, 2008 9:49 AM PDT
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Pondering...
I think you’re right in that it’s not a requirement for the journalistic game, but it depends on where you want to sit in that game.
I think that it is something that should be considered as you’re developing a blog because it could unintentionally hurt you as you grow.
I also think that language can effect how an audience views you and whether you’re “serious” or not.
In Dave’s case, I think the language control helps with his access and helps him to be taken seriously.
Also, I think there’s a strong difference between criticism and language. You sort of lumped them together in the reply.
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Jul 24, 2008 9:58 AM PDT
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I think you have to remain in context, Tim...
Dave is talking specifically about bloggers who want to become credentialed. The Blazers organization certainly has the right to restrict their limited space to whomever they please. People who reflect positively (and I know this is subjective) are going to get preference. I think all of us are against censorship, or should be, but I don’t think we are talking censorship here.
Specifically, the Blazers market to families. They are naturally going to gravitate their energies toward family oriented sites/writers. Writers who want to become credentialed are therefore well advised to orient their writing accordingly.
Also, Dave never said that “Potty mouth” makes people stupid. He has spoken against using potty mouth in lieu of actually thinking through and making a point rationally.
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by -ken on
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Hmm
Maybe Dave should make the Fanshots potty mouth friendly just for Timbo.
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Jul 24, 2008 10:25 AM PDT
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All in the presentation
I think the point is information you present as fact or opinion is much more digestible when free of explitives. A liberal sprinkling of pottymouth is akin to ending every sentence with an exclamation point. By their very nature, explitives make the conversation aggressive and assertive. That’s why you use them when telling off the telemarketer that woke you up, but not when ordering a cheeseburger at the drive through. If you present a statement full of them, you are already issuing a challenge and initiating an argument, not asking for a thoughtful response.
In the appropriate context, I am not offended in the slightest by coarse language. Yet that context is never a thoughtful, articulate and open dialogue. And yeah, I know, there is nothing about a word itself that somehow makes it bad, but rather these are products of a societal norm. No different than the debate about whether internet lingo vs. proper grammar makes a statement more or less acceptable, more or less accurate. No different than saying we should have no speed limits on the road because I know I can operate my car safely at 90 mph even though you can’t. You might be able to have a meaningful conversation filled with explitives, but most of society can’t. Drive 90 mph long enough and it doesn’t feel any more dangerous than 55.
I like speed limits, proper grammar and no pottymouth. And apple pie.
by lukeyhere on
Jul 24, 2008 12:48 PM PDT
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And one other thing...
I’m all about learning how to properly spell words like expletive.
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Jul 24, 2008 12:57 PM PDT
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Number 6
I like what you drafted and agree for the most part.
Number 3:
I think Number 3 can be edited to be more global as you’re starting off with an assumption that all products that are blogged about want the G/PG approach.
It’s not so much the language, but making sure your blogging product closely matches the what you’re blogging about. Additionally it’ll depend on the brand that you wish your blog to represent. Some blogs may WANT to be cutting edge and avoided despite the fact it’ll reduce access. (To be clear, I’m looking outside of sports as well.)
Examples of where non-pg is appropriate:
If you blog about adult articles and want the most access to playboy then you’d want a tasteful, intelligent, yet erotic style that would definitely stray from PG in order get the MOST access. If you want access to Hustler you’re going to be a little more… crass to some extent. That will most align with the companies branding and thus they’ll gravitate towards you depending on your leanings.
If you blog about rock bands, you’re going to want something edgy and a possible F-bomb now and then may be appropriate.
Basically you want your branding of the blog to be insync with the product you’re blogging about in order to gain the most access.
In BEDGE flavor of branding, I think that it very closely matches up to the culture of where the team wants to go. When in doubt, you can always play it safe, although that could hurt you in some of the risque settings.
Number 6:
6. The line between observed fact and my opinion will be clear in my writing.
I think this is EXTREMELY important to remember. There have been a few instances where I think this has been forgotten. Blogs carry enormous weight and the information that comes from it needs to indicate clearly where fact and opinion are. that is, if a site wishes to be taken seriously. Some sites don’t do that… some NEWS organizations don’t do that, and thus a good number of people don’t respect them.
Trust can be hard to gain and easy to lose.
Overall:
I like it. At some point I believe that something will happen where bloggers start to become certified in some manner. Either being given the gold stamp of “yeah, these guys do good” or “yeah, these guys have this training/education on how to conduct themselves” or something else.
I agree that each means of relaying information definitely has its own nitch. I look forward to seeing blogging evolve and I do think that eventually it’ll take an avenue close to what you’ve illustrated.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
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by ratbastird on
Jul 24, 2008 9:41 AM PDT
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If you blog about rock bands, you’re going to want something edgy and a possible F-bomb now and then may be appropriate.
And NBA players who use pottymouth in everyday life?
Same deal. Real journalism needs to describe real life in realistic ways.
“Oh [Golly],” screamed Wallace after the blown call that decided the game. “That was pure [barnyard phrase] made by an expletive deleted with his head up his [expletive deleted].”
You get the point, I’m not being silly. The rocknroll analogy is good. People talk like they talk. Just because one approach is to report facts as they are and another approach is to comb the hair of the facts and spritz perfume on the fact in the interest of making sure that mythical 8 year old internet surfer isn’t gonna get busted—that doesn’t make the latter the ONLY way to do things right. I would argue that the latter approach is ENTIRELY INADEQUATE from the standpoint of either journalism or history.
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by timbo on
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Perhaps a good analogy would be Saving Private Ryan
Plenty of profanity in that movie, which was included when it aired on broadcast TV. However, it was purely in context, and compared to the rampant violence, was the least offensive aspect of the film. Likewise, on PBS, when someone is interviewed and swears in context, they rarely bleep it out. NPR on the other hand, rides that beep button like the cowbell in ‘Don’t Fear the Reaper’.
I’d prefer not to see rampant profanity on BE, but if it is context (e.g. a quote, not a conversational modifier to spark controversy), I believe it makes sense. However, I would hope it is a trigger that is rarely pulled.
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Jul 24, 2008 11:00 AM PDT
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The point is
we’re not talking about rock and roll blogs, we’re talking about NBA blogs. We’re not talking about glossy mags with street cred and slick writers, we’re talking about a bunch of people viewed with suspicion specifically trying to gain access to a venue that is tightly controlled by professional people concerned about their image, the team’s image, and how the public views both. And yes, I am telling you that one of the big fears among those people issues credentials is SPECIFICALLY that some blogger will tape a player’s tirade in a moment of emotion in the locker room and print it word for word, and/or reveal that the coach can’t get through a sentence without six F-bombs.
Notice that I began the entire discussion by claiming this was not a representation of the way all blogging should be. Notice also that I repeated that admonition specifically in the section you’re referring to. Notice that I did not equate “no profanity” with journalistic integrity, and in fact I said elsewhere that bloggers should at times abandon the journalistic norm. This has little or nothing to do with my personal preferences or advocacy for or against profanity. The hard reality is if you’re an NBA blogger right now and you’re looking for credentials from a team that heretofore has not been willing to grant them to bloggers, this is probably an issue you’re going to have to deal with.
—Dave
by Dave on
Jul 24, 2008 11:27 AM PDT
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Another way to put this, Tim
is that your assertion may be dead-on correct and your opinion may be 100% valid, but it doesn’t matter much in this context unless you are the one issuing the credentials.
—Dave
by Dave on
Jul 24, 2008 11:29 AM PDT
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I fail to see the point of the "10 Point Universal Bloggers Boyscout Pledge"...
.............................. if you’re working from the premise that no one blog can be “a representation of the way all blogging should be.”
Ethics are one thing—form is another. You are muddling the two, plain and simple.
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by timbo on
Jul 24, 2008 8:18 PM PDT
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Swearing is unprofessional
no matter what the venue or context.
Foul language does not equal criticism, nor does it equal free speech, nor does it equal enlightened conversation, nor does it even drive a point home hard.
On the other hand, clean language does not equal lack of criticism, nor does it equal suppression of free speech, nor does it equal dumbed down conversation, and you can certainly make a hard-hitting point while using clean language. Dave does it all the time.
Clean language offends no one (except Timbo, apparently). Foul language offends lots of people.
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Jul 24, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
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Dave is right about the credentialing issue
but I don’t think it’s true that clean language offends no one. Lots of people are offended by things that are ridiculously whitewashed to conform with standards they find distasteful (i.e., declaring certain words off limits).
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Jul 24, 2008 1:15 PM PDT
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Finding ways to be offensive with clean language is a littly hobby of mine.
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Jul 24, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
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I've mentioned before that one of the more entertaining aspects
of reading the Bedge, from my perspective, is the creative use of language to get around Dave’s strictures on pottymouth. Dave has been pretty creative himself on occasion.
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Jul 25, 2008 3:10 AM PDT
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+1
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by rockingharder on
Jul 24, 2008 1:38 PM PDT
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As a working journalist ...
... I quote what is said. If that contains a word that cannot be printed for moral or legal reasons, I do not quote it. I paraphrase.
Here’s a good guideline that an old friend taught me about quotes.
They should only lead a story or use vulgarity if it is in context that drives the story, such as:
“Damn,” the duchess said as she chomped her cigar.
Were leaving together / But still its farewell / And maybe well come back / To earth, who can tell / I guess there is no one to blame / Were leaving ground / Will things ever be the same again? / Its the final countdown...
by Y5k on
Jul 24, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
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Hunter S. Thompson and the generation who followed would differ with you...
............................... Newspapers have the stodgy thing down pat.
Why should blogs do the same?
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by timbo on
Jul 24, 2008 10:19 PM PDT
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Why Do Blogs Need Boundaries ... well, the first political answer is usually, "Follow the Money."
Who pays for this astounding vehicle that allows us awesome freedom to candidly keyspeak with open emotion and unguarded tongue, even with anger and soul? Who pays if the crowd riots at the soccer stadium? I’m talking basic politics here. The moneymen don’t want you maiming the paying fans. You use words skillfully, with power, and hopefully, with a little spice of restraint. ...///...///
There is truth to the classic Janis Joplin wail of “Freedom’s Just Another Word For Nothing Left To Lose! “ If the blogcrowd displays a perceived excess of blogshockingbehavior, the owners of the blogarena get apprehensive and tighten the reins of admission. The freedom to post becomes threatened. It is simply prudent politics to ask yourself, what have I to lose. In the political arena where Dave and Ben work, the terms may be different, but censor they must be, however reluctantly… ///...///
http://www.superseventies.com/sl_meandbobbymcgee.html
...///.../// For me, BEdge is an island of escape from an often brutal, mean world. It’s a waterfront park, where I’m watching and playing in an amazing array of activity. In here, the sight of shock-value-messages stand out, yet seem out-of-place. You express intriguing ideas, but, for me, the glare of Gonzo blurs the message, rather than enhancing it.
...///.../// “The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the shoreline of wonder.” RW Sockman …///...///
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Washington_Sockman
Cave Canem!
by Caveowl on
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boomshakalaka
A site-specifict-shirt orpolo shirt is a great option for attire. It identifies your particular affiliation and can be claimed as uniquely yours. Failing that, checking out the sartorial habits of those around you should give a clue as to what’s appropriate backstage.
a t-shirt would look out of place on rose garden press row… especially down in the main press section… i think polo shirt is the acceptable standard (business casual)... it’s different at summer league because it’s vegas and the coaches/management are in polos… but it’s hard to be in a t-shirt when nate is standing 10 feet away in a monogrammed dress shirt and suit that probably cost at least 3 or 4 g’s… i think bloggers are best off to treat the stadium as a place of business… you are surrounded by professionals and interacting with professionals in their main work environment… hence business casual.
of the 10 points listed i think dress is the least important once the relationship has been established… but the “first impression” aspect of it is very powerful and it goes a long way to defying stereotypes of bloggers…
as an aside, i just read a piece in esquire about the Beats covering the 1968 democratic convention in chicago… security didn’t want to let ginsberg in because he wasn’t wearing shoes… lol… it’s ginsberg!! come on…
"You'd rather say 'whoa' than 'giddyup.'" ~ Dean Demopoulos
by Ben. on
Jul 24, 2008 11:54 AM PDT
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And this is coming from the guy with the largest collection of Big Johnson t-shirts west of the Mississippi.
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by tominhawaii on
Jul 24, 2008 12:53 PM PDT
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Why do you need credentials?
I think another critical question that bloggers need to answer is why they need/want credentials in the first place. That requires a close inspection of your writing’s motivation and themes. Certain people may not need credentials, and it may in fact detract from the product that they have created.
It’s important to remember that Dave didn’t write this up in order to get all blogs to follow these rules, nor did he enjoin all blogs to seek credentials. If you’re a hyper-critical, possibly profanity-laden site (not that those are bad things; they can be essential), you probably don’t need player and coach access to do the things you do best. If you’re blog is a constant humorous skewering of your favorite franchise and players, you’d probably do better without credentials and the responsibilities that come with it or the possibility that you may lose the ability to properly roast.
Just because Dave has created a fantastic list of guidelines to help blogs get credentials doesn’t mean that credentials will even help many blogs.
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Journalism
This is a lot like my journalism courses in college.
TESC (The Evergreen State College up in Oly) didn’t/doesn’t have a journalism program, so we got the newspaper-veteran adviser to the student newspaper to help us create one. the best part for me was the ethics section. We chatted up lots of hard “dos” and “don’ts.”
Funny, but people forget these are VERY real. I just now had a flimsy journalist near me ask if it was OK to attribute quotes from one guy to another guy because it flowed in the story better. Heck no!
Gotta keep sharp on this stuff or there is not truth in it at all before too long.
All you got it your word.
Word.
-Mat
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IJs - IRJs - Bloggers
Dave, please call yourself an Internet Journalist. (Thanks, Outlaw) You are my Minister of Internet Journalism.
However you label yourself, you will continue to garner “Wows,” to quote Jorga. You aren’t just the ringmaster for BlogazerCircusRus, you are its IJ.
If BEdgers read your post, reframing “blogger” with the Internet Journalist, will it alter their perception? I agree with LeeRJ that blog is overused, and it is nebulus, too. From your post, instead of bloggers, I now see three categories: Internet Journalists, Internet Journalist Readers, and Bloggers.
As tech
Cave Canem!
by Caveowl on
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As Tech (Aztecs)
overtakes print, like radio overtook silence, like TV overtook radio .. Old yields to New, but Old individuals don’t simply leave the stage en-masse, most stay, interact, and question. Thus, for some Old BEdge (since ‘06, even ‘07) now feel crowded by the increased volumn of of us NewBs. Dave, I hope the censorship, crowd control duties don’t detract from your creativity/production. Be politically corrrect, keep your access to the locker room, etc, your gain will be ours, despite the muffler you must sometimes wear.
Cave Canem!
by Caveowl on
Jul 24, 2008 1:34 PM PDT
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IJs Are Rare
in a utilitarian sense. You are in very tiny piece of pipe, between the huge Supply reservoir (the Blazers) and the river of Demand for news from BEdge. You are in a Dam fine place, so I hope you enjoy the pressure.
Cave Canem!
by Caveowl on
Jul 24, 2008 1:55 PM PDT
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More pressure on Ben.
Hi Ben, our father Dave wants you to be perfect. Take it easy, hugs.
The Midnight Rambler
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Bingo
has a meaning on BEdge, one I probably don’t understand. But, thanks A…1 for saying that. Ben is becoming a mentor, In analogy Dave is the Master, and Bend is the Journeyman to a precision craftsman
Cave Canem!
by Caveowl on
Jul 24, 2008 2:49 PM PDT
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the way i see it
dave is MLK
and im sitting in at a lunch counter
"You'd rather say 'whoa' than 'giddyup.'" ~ Dean Demopoulos
by Ben. on
Jul 24, 2008 3:16 PM PDT
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Well Done
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Whoa
Dave is like, you know, Yoda, or Captain Caveman, or like something like that, only different. Maybe like, that janitor dude, from that movie Rudy. Or maybe he’s Simon Cowell or Apollo Creed. I need to think this over and get back to you.
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Dave better than Yoda is.
Sentences backward does not Dave talk in. Zen not enough Dave is. My mind reeling not happens.
by royroty on
Jul 25, 2008 12:38 PM PDT
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Ben is WAY ahead of me
on a lot of things, including interviews and a lot of these credential matters. I have learned from him.
—Dave
by Dave on
Jul 24, 2008 3:21 PM PDT
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LOL
you are too clever for your own good! :)
for what it’s worth… and hopefully you all find this interesting… it’s been 8 or 9 months now since we started talking about doing this credentials thing regularly…. A LOT has happened in that time…
i see the list above as an accumulation of everything we’ve learned in the past (almost) year… as dave noted you don’t NEED to do these things to obtain/keep access, but i can vouch that it will make life A LOT easier if you do…
clearly you can see some of the ethics are derived from his fundamental approach to things and those have guided our approach from (literally) day 1… but others have been added/refined as new situations arose… who knows, maybe in another 9 months there will be a few more to add on? that’s the exciting part…
but amlmart1 you did hit the nail on the head: most of the bumps and bruises that caused these have been mine. :)
I think I speak for both Dave and myself when I say… if we had this document one year ago today, life would have been way easier…
to me that is the true value of this post: hopefully there is another blogger out there with similar aspirations who finds that this set of standards better informs his goals. inspiring writers is the most important thing a writer can do.
"You'd rather say 'whoa' than 'giddyup.'" ~ Dean Demopoulos
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Jul 24, 2008 3:11 PM PDT
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Sorry, Ben
Didn’t mean to Bend you. And you are a kind, thoughtful Mentor.
Cave Canem!
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Love from Truehoop
You made the Thursday bullets!
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-33-88/Thursday-Bullets.html
“All discussion of credentialing NBA bloggers ought to now include reference to this BlazersEdge post.”
Things happen for a reason they say, but I say there's a reason things happen.
by sixth on
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People out there are so stunned because of Dave´s and Ben´s work that they can´t admit they are bloggers.
In many educational sectors to university level the works of a professor or teacher are qualified by the number of times they have been published or mentioned in recognized scientific magazines. They are called “works of impact”. I think it´s a similar situation for a journalist, everybody will respect you if you are “impacting”.
The Midnight Rambler
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Dave
First of all.. thanks so much for your time and effort in maintaining this highly professional blog. Your ability to critically analyze situations and display takes that consider all sides of the spectrum is underrated. It is this way you present information that makes this so legitimate. You are able to sometimes convey an opinion but more effectively you display information in a form that lets those of us obsessed fans think critically and have realistic discussions rather than useless banter.
That being said we at BE love our useless banter, and the opportunity for that kind of reflection and interaction, coupled with the hearty quality reporting, is the draw to the blog. I think as long as you continue what your doing with the calculated respectful approach, the suits have no other option but to honor the demand you have created through this forum. There are other places and always opportunity for these lines to be crossed, but anyone who reads or participates here regularly knows and respects your professionalism. It is in this way that a trust is formed with the reader and the reporting and we know we are not being led down a path of irresponsible analysis. Maybe our useless banter is what scares some people away from considering it professional, but most of us who participate understand the difference. This opportunity for Trailblazer fans to be a community and talk all year long about our love for this city and team should be considered one of their best assets in maintaining pub and interest. Your approach, I’m sure is a great comfort to them.
BE rocks Dave…Keep up the good work!
I’m also curious…Do you have numbers for posts/visits/ or clicks on this site? I’m curious how active our community is here. Also as compared to other similar sites….
It puts the lotion on the skin...or else it gets the hose!
by courtsideerrandboy on
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dave hates to talk numbers
but you know in “what about bob” when bill murray starts flipping out… that’s dave when i tried to talk numbers with him in vegas….
LA LA LA i can’t hear you…
but if you click the sitemeter tab down at the bottom of the page… you can see some basic stats…
we are doing roughly 150k visits/month and 600k pageviews/month this off season last time i checked.
"You'd rather say 'whoa' than 'giddyup.'" ~ Dean Demopoulos
by Ben. on
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and Ben too...
Cheers to you as well Ben. I guess I was responding to dave’s post, but it is only fair to share the love with his com padre! Keep up the good work…
P.S. Thanks for being the numbers man.
How do those visits compare to other sites?
It puts the lotion on the skin...or else it gets the hose!
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i think it’s poor form for me to talk about comparing…
but for rough comparisons you can use
also, many sites will have their stats accessible somewhere on the site… sometimes requires a bit of digging…
maybe someone else can help you out…
"You'd rather say 'whoa' than 'giddyup.'" ~ Dean Demopoulos
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Dave, you know you're a role model
I’ve been trying to get my own blog up off the ground and I consider this site a great model for success. It also happens to be a Blazers blog.
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I appreciate the discussion
and I hope you continue to make clear that getting credentials is not the same as being accredited.
There has been a lot of talk, some of it at BE,about the oversight and editorial review of print media as a necessary precondition for being able to publish. This, I argue strongly against. First, all the ho ha the traditional media goes through has not prevented us from being inundated with lies, half truths and propaganda. Second, insisting that there must be some kind of absolute standard of journalistic integrity as a precondition for publishing on the net or anywhere else is an infringement on our right to free speech,
Credentialing on the the other hand is a process of gaining and maintaining access, it is not an oversight and review process. If it were, BE would be less valuable to me, not more.
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Dave, an Idaho Potato joke
might be worth hashing over, in context of credentials.
When the oldest daughter of the Potatoes told her parents she wanted to marry a Baker, they were pleased. And when the middle girl announced she was engaged to Spud Web, they were delighted. But, when the youngest asked to marry Tom Brokaw, the parents were stunned. In disbelief, they protested, “You want to marry a common tater?
Cave Canem!
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