Latest Developments
Both of these topics found traction in the sidebar yesterday, but they’re worth a place on the main page in case anybody missed them.
First, as reported by HomerSolo and confirmed here by the Blazers, the team has signed Nicolas Batum. This is not a huge surprise to anyone who has been listening, but it’ll be interesting to see how it develops. I’m sure everyone from
Second, Casey Holdahl gives us some links and updates to the Luol Deng conversations. Expect this to remain a hot topic until and unless Deng signs and expect there to be similar conversations on various teams after that.
Storyteller and I were talking about this very thing over the weekend. Here’s what’s happening, folks. Deng is right smack dab in the middle of the whole “restricted free agency/qualifying offer” maelstrom we talked about a few weeks ago.
Not all contracts are created equal. Besides the obvious dollar amount there are opt-outs, front-loading, and the like which make them more or less attractive to the player or the team. I don’t know Deng and I don’t know his agent, but I don’t have to. I can guarantee you what is going on right now…a scenario which will be repeated this summer in every city with significant free agents. John Paxson has been on the phone to Deng’s agent offering him a very nice deal. Deng’s agent has politely told Paxson that they don’t want a very nice deal, they want the best deal possible (or at least a better one than the Bulls are offering). The spiel goes like this: “You have our rights now, but we are perfectly willing to sign that one-year qualifying offer. After Luol plays that year he is an unrestricted free agent. I am looking over at
Note that this dialogue would play out whether or not Deng had any intention of playing out the qualifying offer and whether or not they thought coming to
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Makes me wonder how it's all going to go down
WIth Martell, Frye, and Diogu when we’re faced with a similiar dilemma … of course none of those guys is nearly the talent that Deng is, but it makes me hope KP locks them up with some reasonable extensions sooner rather than later.
by nikolokolus on Jul 22, 2008 10:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Imagine all the dang jokes we could make
Bayless4Ever
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 22, 2008 11:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
L(u)ol
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by CatMan2 on Jul 23, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deng...
... that was funny
Does this mean I have to like Diogu now???
by Ike_o_rama! on Jul 25, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:-)
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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 22, 2008 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Doing my part as a pawn...
Don’t fall for it in cases like this UNLESS the player actually signs that one-year qualifying offer.
My thinking is that the Wise and All-Seeing Pritchard wants us to help talk these rumors up, so as to make other teams flinch and throw down mad money on players early, and cap themselves out of the 2009 FA market. Just like us getting in a tizzy about the possibility of CP3 or Deron – sure, they probably weren’t actually attainable anyway, but Utah and NOH wasted no time at all in reducing their 09 flexibility to keep them.
Really it’s a similar plot line to how Pritchard used our Augustin/Westbrook drooling as a smokescreen for his Bayless scheming. Or going further back, how our obsession with the “Draft the ‘Stash” campaign gave cover for his backroom dealings to get Roy and LMA.
If that’s what the fans playing the role of chumps gets us, well then, keep feeding me silly rumors so a silent but deadly Pritchslapping can occur off in the murky shadows.
by LasloHlyfeld on Jul 22, 2008 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
?
What’s all this about money that the Blazers will have?
What happened to remaining flexibility for Roy/Aldridge/Oden?
by CaptainSexyJacob on Jul 22, 2008 11:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We can go over the cap to resign our own players
as long as SPAM isn’t a problem.
But let me get this straight…..
It’s possible that our capspace will force teams to overspend on their players, ruining their capspace in the process? Us not spending money makes other people spend more. For some reason that really amuses me.
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by Magnum on Jul 23, 2008 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't the trick in this
to have room under the cap in ‘09 so that KP can sign someone early summer and then he can give Martell a nice contract later? Or if he waits till ‘10, then won’t Martell have a new contract and the cap space above his salary could be used to sign someone before he gives Roy and Aldridge their new contracts? Those 2 contracts probably will put the Blazers in tax land.
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by OrygunRod on Jul 23, 2008 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the cap space that we have
puts added pressure on other teams and could limit their flexibility, not just next year, but for several years.
Chicago may have only wanted to give Deng 3 years guaranteed. They might end up having to give him 4, with a 5th year player option. The money might not change.
There are some agents out there who owe KP and Paul Allen big time for the free agent market they are creating—even if we end up only using our cap space to pay the players we already have.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jul 23, 2008 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thus tying teams up
Letting us continue to have flexibility and dominate because we’re not going to take on a dumb contract.
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by ratbastird on Jul 23, 2008 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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**I meant MAINTAINING flexibility
or remaining flexible
by CaptainSexyJacob on Jul 22, 2008 11:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait and Let it Develop
A series of restricted free agents are unsigned, precisely because no other teams are willing to make offers, knowing that they can be matched. The players are frustrated because they have no leverage to negotiate with the teams they currently play for unless other teams make offers – and they’re not. As a result, a number of players, to include Josh Howard, Deng and Gordon are talking about taking the 1 year qualifying, and then becoming unrestricted free agents next year. KP has no reason to do anything right now, other than to wait and watch. If these players can’t get competitive offers from other teams and decide to take the 1 year qualifying and become unrestricted free agents next year, they’ll fall right into our lap – or at least be available when our cap space comes clear. At the same time, the cap space we have is tied up in contracts with LaFrenz and Miles. To effectively use LaFrenz’s coming cap space, we’d have to some type of sign and trade with the team who has the existing restricted contract. This, however, isn’t likely to be attractive to other teams, unless it also includes a player. Now, granted, we could use the cap space from Miles to make an offer – but this will only drive the price of these players up. Which is why no other GM’s are making offers. What’s the point, after all, of making an offer that the other team can match?
At the same time, that cap space has to be dealt with carefully. If players like Bayless and/or Fernandez become solid players in the NBA, then we will have 4 positions with key players that we need to keep, plus others such as Outlaw, Pryz. one of the guards, and Frye that we also have to sign. No team can afford 5 stars on their front line these days, and if we have 4, then we may not be able to sign and keep a 5th.
Right now, KP’s primary concern, I’d be willing to be, is to wait and see how this team works together before he makes any decisions – regardless of who is currently available. Until we see how the team performs, and the pieces play together, we can’t really decide what we need. We may not need Deng if Bayless and/or Fernandez – or both – perform well, anymore that we may need him if the SF’s we have perform well under the system we will have with Oden next year, as opposed to the one we had last year. Outlaw, after all, averaged 14.3 ppg for 26 mpg over the last 66 games, which, at 35 minutes, would generate 20 ppg at the SF spot.
In any case, it is interesting.
by Eben Calder on Jul 23, 2008 4:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We can't use cap space from Miles right now
Steve Francis is still on the books.
In general, I agree that the strategy is to wait and see. I wouldn’t say “regardless of who is currently available”. If the right guys become available at the right price, he’ll jump. But we certainly don’t need to hurry, our next year’s cap space is burning bigger holes in other team’s pockets than it is in ours right now, as Dave has described here.
We can afford to wait and see, unless something really good comes along.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jul 23, 2008 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a note...
I believe Josh Howard signed a deal either last year or the year before. He’s not restricted.
by timg56 on Jul 23, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct. He probably means Josh Smith.
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by Norsktroll on Jul 23, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miles and Randolph (a tad OT)
This type of negotiation is what I didn’t see with Zach and Darius. I would not have had as big of a problem with those signings when they happened if the Blazers would have let those play out a bit instead of locking them up for more than they were worth before they even had a chance to test the market.
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by tssbro on Jul 23, 2008 7:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I personally can't get excited about obtaining Deng...
... or anyone else for that matter.
I’d trade for Deron Williams (or Paul, for you Paul lovers), but that ain’t happening. Other than one of those two guys, I don’t think there is anyone I’d get excited about. We have a nice young team, one that needs only time and perhaps a little tweaking.
by timg56 on Jul 23, 2008 8:30 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Give me a year, or maybe until the trade deadline, and then ask me if I want to make a trade.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 23, 2008 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But in the meantime,
the more players that enter the 09 FA market, the better. No need to worry about whether we need any particular players—the coming year will tell us that—but the more players available, the more choices we will have, and the less competition.
by pualo on Jul 23, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would get excited about Danny Granger
Deng, not so much after his last season. Like Hinrich and Gordon (or anyone else on the Bulls’ roster) he shouldn’t have that much market value / leverage right now. Still we could try to get Deng next year or at least screw up Chicago’s financial plans a little (and the owner hates to pay luxury tax) if he signs just the one year qualifying offer now. Something like 5 years for $45 million including options. If they match it, no big deal. If they don’t we have an upgrade at small forward and could move Martell or Outlaw. Please don’t shoot me, but he is better albeit not radically better. I wouldn’t be happy to give up Trout + Frye for the right to pay him though, like one reporter suggested as “not a great option” presumably for Chicago.
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by Norsktroll on Jul 23, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, just mixed up restricted with unrestricted options.
My suggestion focused on next year when he could be unrestricted and thus should read something like: If they offer him more than that and he takes it…
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by Norsktroll on Jul 23, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MILES as a response to the "Ooh the Blazers have lots of cap room" negotiation strategy
So, a player says to me (me being a GM, say of the Bulls) the Blazers will have lots of cap room next year and will need me. My response? Sign Miles to an unguaranteed contract and say “Are you sure they will have that much money? After you ponder that, what do you think of this contract offer?”
by homersolo on Jul 23, 2008 8:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but..
Then you have to play Miles, what is it, 10 games?
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by Black84GTI on Jul 23, 2008 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum
Am I the only one that doesn’t like ANYTHING french? I guess I am going to have to change my ways with the Frenchie making the squad! And I don’t like doing that! Anyone else so-so on all things French?
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by BlazermaniacAndy on Jul 23, 2008 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I loves me
some Freedom Fries. Would be willing to try the French version…...
j/k, I have no problem with the French.
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by iDea on Jul 23, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw
I realize that french fries aren’t french.
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by iDea on Jul 23, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?!
Next you’re going to tell me that people in Mexico don’t love Taco Bell’s Crunchwrap Supreme!
by Montavilla Steve on Jul 23, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Grilled Stuft Burritos" need a longer name
I was real hungry and sitting in the drive thru. I was having trouble getting that out (for some reason), but finally spit is out and of course the response was “Chicken or Steak?”.
PS Every Mexican I know loves Crunch Wraps…cause they are so authentic and reminds them of their ancestrial home….in San Deigo
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by 92wastheyear on Jul 23, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that
KP knows how to apply the Billy Bean method, there’s no way he’s going to take on a huge contract for a marginal statistical gain. That would include players like Deng and Howard. They would have to contribute in terms of their ability to play a role, not because they’re the best players on the market – which they are not. Anyway, after his cheap slap we owe Josh Howard a little pay back, assuming he’s not stoned on the end of the bench. Eben Calder seems to have it right; let KP see if this team is any good before making a big deal. If they get to the 2nd round this season we’ll have the answer.
by oregonslee on Jul 23, 2008 7:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OT - criminal defense lawyers...
Deng oh deng… I take (very very mild) issue with your lawyer – agent comparison.
Laywyers don’t just “say they have to represent people who seem guilty – our supreme court has interpreted the constitution to say that everyone accused of a crime deserves vigorous, competent legal representation. It’s not a “priviledge” – it’s a fundamental right.
low-lifes don’t waive that right by breaking the law. This keeps the system honest.
Sadly, the supreme court is yet to recognize the fundamental right to have a greedy agent maneuver players into max contracts so as to skim off that sweet sweet comission.
Why don’t more star players take middling contracts so as to play with other stars and win more?... is it too big a gamble to hope that wins bring lucrative endorsements? How much $$ is enough to feed Spree’s fambly?
>Saba.
by Saba on Jul 23, 2008 9:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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