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Summer League Wrap

I’m back from Summer League and somewhat rested.  So let’s consolidate all of those impressions into one post and try to get something meaningful out of it.

Lesson #1:  This summer league was about three players, period.

The last two summers have featured Brandon Roy, Lamarcus Aldridge, Greg Oden, Martell Webster, and Jarrett Jack.  Even with all of those sure-fire, big-league guys playing I have never heard fewer murmurs about, nor seen less impact from, the supporting cast.  Even in the star summers there was always a Joel Freeland or Nenad Sinanovic to elicit a couple speculations.  Not this year.  We didn’t see any standout contributions at all until the final game when Bayless sat.  This team was set up and coached to emphasize the main three players, and that’s what we got.

Lesson #2:  Jerryd Bayless will be able to play in the NBA.

Bayless demonstrated his attitude, his willingness to absorb contact, his free throw shooting, and his ability to get past his initial defender and get a credible attempt up.  Granted that’s only one offensive move--the drive--but the way he does it that’s plenty to start with.  He also showed he could catch and shoot the ball a little, but we didn’t see enough of his jumper off of the dribble to trust it quite yet.

On the defensive end Bayless showed speed, lateral quickness, and the desire to stay with his man.  He’ll need to keep working on his recognition in the overall schemes.

On both ends he appears to take less than full advantage of his height.  He’s a legit 6’3”.  (I can confirm because that’s about how tall I am and I finally got the chance to stand eye-to-eye with him.)  But I’m not the first observer (and I won’t be the last) to mention that he plays small.  Part of it is his deceptive quickness, but even with that he doesn’t appear to get great extension on his jumpers nor to bother other people on their jump shots, especially if he’s closing out.

Bayless’ ball-handling is good.  He appears fluid on the dribble in the halfcourt and transition both.  His passing skills are adequate but the jury is still out on whether he sees passes or is willing to make them.  He’s definitely a scorer first at this point.  The offense did not run smoothly at all with him at the helm.  Part of the reason was that, unlike everybody else on the team, he didn’t have Jerryd Bayless to pass to.  But he also dribbles with his head down, eyes forward, and jaw set.  A point guard’s mentality could be in his future repertoire, but he’ll have to develop it.  It’s pretty certain that the first time he misses Brandon or Lamarcus on the wing they’ll let him know about it.

Next to Summer League competition Bayless looked amazingly quick.  We’ll see if this continues when he gets into big league competition.  You can’t take away his body, which is well-built, nor his leaping ability on the run.  It’s safe to say his combination of speed, flight, and sturdiness will make him stand out.

The biggest questions surrounding Bayless are his role and his willingness/ability to fill it.  He looks like the kind of player Nate will rely on quickly, much as he relied on Jarrett Jack last year.  The two are similar in size but Bayless is far quicker and more explosive.  It wouldn’t be a stretch to pencil in Bayless for many of Jack’s minutes, including the fourth quarter ones.  Despite that, starting seems like a stretch at this point.  For one, he’d need to start at the point and he needs more experience to do that.  Second, he’d have to be willing to give up the ball and we haven’t seen that yet.  Whether that was legitimate in Summer League (it was) isn’t the issue.  The point is we saw the most amazing parts of his game when he had the ball and the freedom to use it however he wishes.  He wouldn’t get that in our starting lineup.  Off the bench in the Jack role he can penetrate and score to his heart’s content.  That second unit desperately needed offense last year anyway.  If he can learn to create opportunities for Travis so much the better, but the learning curve won’t be as steep as a scorer off the bench and both confidence and production should remain high.  The general idea is to give him a role you know he can handle and let him grow from there.

Many folks ask about Bayless’ attitude, likely because of the intense facial expression which he holds seemingly 24-7.  (On the car ride home from Boise I was telling my wife about the overall skimpiness of female clothing on the Vegas Strip after dark and she gave me the “Bayless Face”.)  I observed very little during the week that gave me concern.  The guy is an intense competitor.  He showed the ability to take over and dominate that game against the Suns and you need to be fierce and focused to do that.  He was a good teammate, giving other players high fives and pumping up the team when they got down.  He did laugh and joke a little during the informal moments of practice.  The only trait that was less than productive was a tendency to get down on himself demonstrably when things weren’t going right.  He knew his game wasn’t coming through, he knew people were watching, and he wanted them to know that he knew so he’d yell or slap the ball or something.  This isn’t uncommon among athletes, especially young ones.  Hopefully he’ll settle into his own skin as time goes by while still retaining the competitive fire.  Overall I’ll take his attitude as a package deal.  The Blazers need a little more in-your-face intensity sometimes.

Lesson #3:  Neither of the other two players are ready to play NBA minutes.

Petteri Koponen had all of the point guard attitude and vision that Bayless didn’t show.  He saw the floor and usually passed to the right man.  He didn’t demonstrate a consistent ability to score but he did hit a few jumpers and later in the week worked on his penetration.  For the most part his outside shot plagued rather than helped him.  Both his dribble and his shot are a bit slow.  He turned the ball over consistently through the first half of the week but never shied away from playing his game.  He moved well without the ball.  He displayed energy on defense, got back in transition, and never quit on plays.  Nevertheless it’s hard to envision him bothering true NBA guards.  His body is adequate.  He’s got legit height.  But he’s young and still a project.

Nicolas Batum got hammered by the general public for his offensive play, which was admittedly disappointing.  Even more than Koponen he seemed surprised by the pace of the offense and the athletes he faced.  It wasn’t until later in the week that he finally made an impact, driving the ball mostly.  Unfortunately he couldn’t finish most of the time.  Every time he leapt in the air for a jumper or a layup his body seemed to drift a different way:  left, right, backwards.  However his fluidity and leaping ability were evident from the start.  He is as graceful as any wing player we have.  He’s far too thin to play with the big boys, however.  As he found out this week grace and quickness only go so far.  The one area where he seemed to be on par, maybe a little ahead of the game, was defense.  You can see why he has the reputation as a perimeter defender.  He appears to enjoy defending and was able to stay with his man and even help out in the team defense.  His quickness and length are real assets in this area.  Despite that, he showed no ability or passion to use his athleticism to dominate, a la Bayless.  He’s as much of a project as Koponen.

As predicted, it’s unlikely anybody played their way on or off of this team in Vegas.  Bayless was already going to suit up and get at least a few minutes.  He’s cemented that and maybe opened up the door for a few more.  It would have been remarkable had he failed in Summer League.  Nevertheless it’s encouraging that he dominated as much as he did.  We learned a lot about the player, if not his game.  If the Blazers were already leaning towards keeping Koponen or Batum on the main roster last week probably didn’t change that.  The same is true if they were leaning towards letting them return to Europe.  Whatever they saw on film and in the pre-Vegas workouts probably weighed as much as anything we saw.  The risk of letting them return to Europe is entirely contractual.  European teams now ask for long-term contracts with significant buy-out clauses to protect their young talent.  Plus if either player excelled then European clubs would eventually offer them far more than the rookie-scale contract Portland could offer.  If the Blazers think they’d have use for either player before 2010 or so they might want to keep them in house and let them play in practice and the D-League.  There’s little doubt that both Batum and Koponen would receive more (and better) experience playing in Europe, however.  If the Blazers don’t think they’ll be ready in the next couple of years and are willing to risk not having them come over at all, it might be better for the team and the careers of the two gentlemen involved to let them play overseas.  From what I’ve been able to gather Batum is playing here and Koponen is a maybe.  But the wind seems to blow a different way every day and the Blazers aren’t sharing yet, so we’ll have to wait and see.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

 

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Jerryd and Rudy

I’ve haven’t seen Rudy play except in highlight films. Do their two styles compliment each other, are they similar, will they detract? Do you see them playing much time in the 2nd unit together? Joel, Travis, Channing and those two seem like a pretty good team, no?

by dvcastle on Jul 22, 2008 2:10 PM PDT   0 recs

It depends

We’ll see a little more of Rudy in the Olympics, of course, but we’ll have to see him on an NBA court to know what he can do and where he fits. Everyone I’ve talked to who has seen him regularly has said the same thing: amazing offensive player, will probably have trouble defending NBA shooting guards. You have to factor in some bias towards players and leagues they’ve followed, however. So I’d feel pretty safe right now saying he’s a multi-faceted offensive player who will struggle on defense. There’s room for that on this team (see Martell the last few years for an example). But how well that fits with Bayless or anyone else, time will tell.

Also remember that this team will have no true “second unit”. You’ll hardly ever see five bench guys in there playing together. More likely it’ll be which other players Rudy and Jerryd take minutes from and/or when the starters ahead of them need rest. You could easily see Rudy out there with Lamarcus, Travis, Oden, and Steve Blake, for instance. Or you could see Bayless out there with Blake and Martell. Even if Rudy and Jerryd don’t mesh early on it wouldn’t necessarily cripple either.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 22, 2008 2:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Shivers.

That second paragraph is the sort of thing that makes me pumped for the season to begin. I can’t wait to see how all of these pieces fit together!

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

by rockingharder on Jul 22, 2008 2:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bayless-Fernandez backcourt

As I mentioned in the past, it’s hard to see how Jerryd and Rudy will play much together (except for in garbage time) They probably won’t compliment each other well. Neither one is a point guard (although JB can defend PGs, at least) and both players are offensive-minded. So, I look for Roy or Blake to be in the game when either Rudy or Jerryd are on the floor. The fact that Roy and Blake are the incumbent starting backcourt will make the 3-4 guard rotation an interesting challenge for Nate.

by two4larue on Jul 22, 2008 3:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dave are you aware

you just created a phrase that will ring through out oregon… Bayless Face thats priceless no more poker face (he dosent have one tim duncan does) bayless face is a scowl.. and im looking forward to seeing him on the floor with rudy also only thing is travis is going to be lost with those guys on the floor .. maybe outlaw slides back to four with bayless at 2 and fernandez at 3 in order to have a playmaker on the floor at 1 to distribute

if it can be conceived it can be achieved

by lyfefindsaway on Jul 22, 2008 9:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually it was at least a collaborative effort

Ben and I coined the term while conversing during Summer League and (I don’t recall exactly, maybe he can help us) I think Ben came up with it first. It may have been his solely. I do remember saying to him after we had discussed it a while that it would stick like a vinyl car seat in July. So yes, we were aware of the magnitude of the phrase, I guess.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 22, 2008 10:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I will claim initial discovery credit

that’s why i trademarked it in the post below!

it started with the “many faces of JB” early last week and went from there…

but the invention (concept stolen from bill simmons, if we are being honest) isn’t nearly as important as the distribution… this needs to be a t-shirt!!

"You'd rather say 'whoa' than 'giddyup.'" ~ Dean Demopoulos

by Ben. on Jul 23, 2008 8:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I love the attitude that Bayless will be bringing to the second unit.

His confidence and explosive ability will be greatly valued with a team that had troubles creating opportunities once BRoy left the court. I loved seeing this quote from Bayless, “I think it’s [an open competition],” said Bayless. “Obviously we’re teammates and you have to keep a positive attitude, but when we’re out on the court everyone is going to compete.”
I think this type of attitude, kept in check of course, will keep everyone working hard on the second unit to keep improving.

by wwKPd on Jul 22, 2008 2:11 PM PDT   0 recs

Thanks Dave

I subscribe to the Oregonian but really I don’t know why I should anymore. You and you’re site give me so much much more 98% of the time.

Just a thought, but have you ever considered running a donation or fund raiser from this site? Perhaps a once a year Blazer Bolg-A-Thon event for the good cause of your choice. I think it would be real interesting to see what us B Edgers’ could contribute as a show of support. I know I would love to see something l like this happen here. Is it even possible?

I think of this as sort of a payback for having this wonderful free of charge/better than the local news paper site for those of us who only read the Oregonian for the sports page (and pay $14.00 per month for THAT service). Honestly, I would rather cancel the Snoregonian and make a donation here.

Very much appreciated.

The Oden Era, Day 391

by Heymoe on Jul 22, 2008 2:28 PM PDT   0 recs

If you do this, Dave,

I would suggest Nothing But Nets as a great charity to give to. They send mosquito nets to African families in need to help prevent the spread of malaria. $10 buys a net, sends it to Africa, and educates the family on how to use it.

All of the overhead is taken care of, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation matches every donation dollar-for-dollar. So, essentially, 200% of each donation goes to purchasing nets and sending them down there. It’s a great organization. Plus, the basketball connection doesn’t hurt :)

(that being said, I would probably donate to “BE Gives Back” no matter who the charity is. This is just a suggestion)

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

by rockingharder on Jul 22, 2008 2:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks Heymoe

The Oregonian and Blazersedge really do different things. We rely on the reporting they do for knowledge. Yes, we could interview Coach McMillan as well-I watched him all week, after all-but he’d really only be telling us the same thing he’s telling them (if that) so why bother. Where we make hay is synthesizing, interpreting, and extrapolating from the info we get from mainstream media sources like the “O”. The press can’t (or at least shouldn’t) do this in the same way. (Though sometimes, just as we bring you interviews they also make a leap of interpretation.) Therefore I’d say both are a healthy part of the Blazer media diet. I wouldn’t want to do without either of us, really.

Everybody here already financed the trip to Vegas. That’s more than I ever expected. If you want to buy t-shirts when they come available, that helps. Or there’s always sending a kid who otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford a ticket to our Blazersedge night at the Rose Garden.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 22, 2008 2:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's not to say

we wouldn’t do a charity event in the future, just that it’s not likely to happen right away.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 22, 2008 2:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Did BE finance the strippers?

Or was that out-of-pocket?

;-)

by DonkeyShins on Jul 22, 2008 4:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I subscribe to the Oregonian but really I don’t know why I should anymore.

As a longtime journalist and long-ago employee of the Oregonian, allow me to suggest … maybe for the news?

by jtanzer on Jul 22, 2008 3:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe

Maybe he has a bird, did you ever think of that?

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Jul 22, 2008 4:31 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

The Oregonian

Do you mean the paper that is owned by the hyper-elitist New York Newhouse family, that almost exclusively runs New York Times, Associated Press and Reuters news stories? That hires Oregonians to deliver the paper and clean out their presses but heaven forbid ever allowing one to write an article? My great-grandmother was a pioneer to this state, so forgive me for being parochial, but the last thing I’d look to the Oregonian for is news.

by dvcastle on Jul 22, 2008 4:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Amen dvcastle

It’s been a long time since I read any unbiased, non opinionated driven news there.

Rather I come to get my biased news from this “news site”. So many more angles, thoughts and opinions are allowed (and printed).

Tweet Tweet

The Oden Era, Day 391

by Heymoe on Jul 22, 2008 5:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

News you can abuse

I remember the Oregonian as being well above average last time I spent any time reading it. But you’re entitled to your point. I’m just freaking out about the impending death of the industry and whatever was once valuable about print journalism.

I think it was CJR that recently ran a contest for the best six-word epitaph for the newspaper business, and one of the winners was: “You’ll miss us when we’re gone.”

Sorry. You may resume the Blazer-related discussion now.

by jtanzer on Jul 22, 2008 6:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey jtanzer!

Above “average” I can accept as fact. But the bar just seems set so low now.

Agree I will “miss you…”, but like the right wing RePuBs’, me thinks youre feared demise is premature.

The Oden Era, Day 391

by Heymoe on Jul 22, 2008 6:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The O

We only get the Sunday edition, they still have good coupons…that’s it

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.

by johnv59 on Jul 22, 2008 7:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The O

The Oregonian is the best regional paper I’ve ever read. The epitaph you quoted is true; once you move away from their circulation area, you realize what you’re missing.

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

by rockingharder on Jul 22, 2008 11:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

While not as comprehensive as the Oregonian

the Eugene Register-Guard is not too bad. It’s still locally owned and operated. Of course it’s the only place we Eugenians can get much local news at all, but the coverage of national and international stories is probably about as fair as you’ll find in a local daily newspaper anywhere in the US.

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by CatMan2 on Jul 22, 2008 6:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Oregonian is fine.

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Jul 22, 2008 7:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Old Prineville People

Wanted the Register-Guard about equally to demand for the Oregonian in the library. Young ones got on the net.

"We know accurately only when we know little, with knowledge doubt increases." Goethe "For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow." Ecclesiastes

by OBJuan72 on Jul 22, 2008 9:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

rephrase

Long-term sports fans in the heart of Oregon wanted to read both the Eugene and Portland newspapers in about equal numbers. Young men logged on library Internet computers.

"We know accurately only when we know little, with knowledge doubt increases." Goethe "For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow." Ecclesiastes

by OBJuan72 on Jul 22, 2008 9:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

While not sharing the hate I do agree that newspapers cannot compete

At the best they are 6-8 hours behind the news and the blogasphere is up in 10 minutes.

And I heart your great grandmother. Those were hard days in Oregon. My great great grandfather was the third white child ever born in Oregon (in the 1st wagon train) so I share your heritage as well.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 22, 2008 10:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I spent the 4th with a friend

who is a reporter for the Oregonian who would take very serious umbrage with your statement and rightfully so. He’s broken a few very stories over the last couple of years that have shook things up quite a bit in the state and led to measureable changes. Each media agency has it’s niche and our state would much worse off without the Oregonian. There’s ignorance aplenty out there and that’s a tide that continues to rise. You want to know why USA is crumbling look no further.

Free Joel Freeland! (with the purchase of 1 Wafer)

by LaughingJon on Jul 22, 2008 10:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Friend?

Where’s he from? What angle did his story take that he “broke”? Whose agenda is he feeding and how is he manipulating my fellow Oregonians into what mindset?

Are those not fair questions to ask after decades of being lead around by the nose by them? Ask your friend his opinion of nepotism in his industry.

Serious question: name one tax program or increase the Oregonian has not supported since 1970 (I don’t remember farther back than that). IMPORTANT NOTE: did you know the Newhouse family uses the Oregonian (in its entirety) as a tax write off to off-set losses in other areas of their vast fortune?

My opinion: your friend works for wealthy scam artists and social engineers who have never seen a tax they didn’t love though they use us as a write off to avoid paying taxes themselves.

by dvcastle on Jul 23, 2008 9:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks Dave and Welcome Back

I’ve missed you like the deserts miss the rain or like a child misses a blanket. You’re a refreshing scoop of reality on a plate lunch of spicy speculation.

--. --- | -... .-.. .- --.. . .-. ...

by tominhawaii on Jul 22, 2008 2:30 PM PDT   0 recs

Blog-A-Thon

Thats Blog (not Bolg)

The Oden Era, Day 391

by Heymoe on Jul 22, 2008 2:31 PM PDT   0 recs

too bad

I was already looking forward to a big BE Bulgogi-thon.

by abdelnaby on Jul 22, 2008 2:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Me Bad

The Oden Era, Day 391

by Heymoe on Jul 22, 2008 2:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dang

I was hoping for a Bologna-Thon. I miss Oscar Mayer commercials…

by Powder on Jul 22, 2008 3:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If Jerryd is a backup 2 and Rudy is a backup 2

then who gets the lion’s share of the backup 2 minutes? Portland may not be big enough for these two hombres.

Seems to me that the Rude dawg is gonna get the Jack minutes and the Ryd dawg is gonna have to play the backup point.

Where have all the flowers gone?

by bilingual octopus on Jul 22, 2008 2:54 PM PDT   0 recs

I see Rudy playing some 3...

or the Blazers going with a 3 guard line up at times

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.

by johnv59 on Jul 22, 2008 7:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jerryd knows the minutes are at the 1

And I think he’s got the drive, the smarts, and the body to become a good PG, even if he isn’t yet.

by pualo on Jul 22, 2008 9:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree Bayless will be good

as a PG, even if some here have jumped to the conclusion that it’s over and he can only be a SG or at best a ‘combo’ guard.

Stu Inman: a soft-spoken, witty and brilliant basketball guy -- who had so much to do with Portland's only championship. He believed that you won with not just great players, but with great people. (D Jaynes 2-2-07 Portland Tribune)

by OrygunRod on Jul 22, 2008 11:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Different teams call for different matchups

If the opponent does not hurt us too much with a high-scoring quick point guard Rudy and Roy make a dynamite combination. If we need more quickness or have trouble scoring Bayless can come in as well as Blake. Down the road I can see a primary 3-guard rotation of Rudy Roy and Bayless. But since two of those are rookies it is all speculation – reality to be determined.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 22, 2008 10:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

eye to eye

are you 6’3” in shoes or stocking feet Dave? Also we need to know Bayless’ true wingspan so I suggest that you first measure your wingspan and then find some way to get Jerryd to spread his arms as wide as possible. You may be able to accomplish this with a hug attempt, ask him how big the biggest fish he ever caught was, or take him salsa dancing. Or some combination of all three, but BE needs to know how TRex BRex is.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jul 22, 2008 3:07 PM PDT   0 recs

The books don't lie!

DraftExpress Measurements

There is a list of the top 15 picks in this draft, I filtered it to show only PG’s. He’s really not that bad… His reach is wider than his height…

by Powder on Jul 22, 2008 4:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I am the same height

With a six,six wingspan and its more of an advantage on defense and rebounding.Look at it this way,if JB had my span he would be releasing the ball 1.25 inchs higher on his jumper but how quick you elavate and how high is much more important.

by southern oregon on Jul 22, 2008 4:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe they do...

“Measurements prior to 2000 are based on newspaper articles rather than official league documents. While the measurements reported in such articles are reported to be officially from the predraft camp, we are taking those writers at their word and can not completely verify that information.”

Could someone please hand me that croquet-ball sized grain of salt, please? :-)

by DonkeyShins on Jul 22, 2008 4:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think I read this year on Draft Express that one team has given them the measurements from their files

So that might be more official now than it used to be.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 22, 2008 10:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The measurements prior to 2000

are questionable. NOT the measurements since as they are done at the Orlando Camp.

The measurements of Bayless and all others at the camp are accurate. Or are you going to believe your lying eyes?

Stu Inman: a soft-spoken, witty and brilliant basketball guy -- who had so much to do with Portland's only championship. He believed that you won with not just great players, but with great people. (D Jaynes 2-2-07 Portland Tribune)

by OrygunRod on Jul 22, 2008 11:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Attacking the basket!

Great review. A think you give a fair rundown of each player’s strengths and weaknesses… I’d just like to point out that the ability to attack the basket and finish or draw fouls is more valuable than being a good outside shooter. It’s more important for the simple reason that interior shots and free throws are almost invariably higher percentage shots than jump shots. Bayless is an 80 percent FT shooter. There really aren’t a lot of plays in basketball that convert possessions into points at a rate higher than 80 percent. If a team could go down the court and draw a shooting foul everytime, the’d score about 160 points a game… When driving with your head down nets you those type of results, why change?

In other words, a lot of people talk about how Bayless was a high volume shooter and didn’t distribute the ball much, but what they are failing to recognize was that he was a VERY EFFECIENT scorer. He wasn’t just the player taking the most shots, he was the most efficient scorer on the team, by a sizable margin. I think people have an image in their mind of what a point guard should look like and Bayless doesn’t always play that way, but the team invariably scorered more when he drove to the basket than when he passed. I strongly suspect that if he played like a”pure” point guard, the summer league squad would have scored fewer points.

by PoliSam on Jul 22, 2008 3:08 PM PDT   0 recs

Your statistical point is correct

and is augmented by the fact that this team really needs more drivers, especially coming off the bench. Of the guys who get significant minutes there’s Roy and…uh… And even with Roy you don’t want him getting destroyed game in and game out. He doesn’t have the Allen Iverson body to take that.

However the truth for Bayless is that he’ll have to hit the outside shot off of the dribble in order to legitimize his drive. Otherwise defenses will just start backing off and playing him for the dribble penetration, collapsing whenever he moves forward. It’s a lot harder to hit those beautiful, twisting layups when your man is watching one hand and a 7-footer is coming in like a freight train to bother the other.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 22, 2008 3:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha

The Iverson body to take the punishment. That’s funny stuff Dave. Truth is, no one really knows how Iverson has made it this long. Didn’t most media peeps think he’d be dead by now with the beatings he takes night in and night out?

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Jul 22, 2008 3:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Most defintely...

Increasing the consistency of his jumper should be a major priority for Bayless. Fortunately, if I had to rank skills that are easy to develop, jump shooting would be near the top of the list. It can be done in a gym, by yourself… And really, how far away is he from having a good enough jumper? He’s not there, but he’s not miles and miles away. He’s not Jason Kidd or Rajon Rando. Take these comparisons with a grain of salt, but everyone said Iverson, Lebron, Bryant, and Jordan needed to improve their jumpers early in their careers and they did. Bayless certainly seems to have the drive to improve his game, so I think becoming a consistent jump-shooter is a question of when not if for Bayless.

I am more worried about his vision/court awareness than anything else. I think court awareness improves gradually over time but very few players go from having poor court vision to have great court vision… That being said, summer league was not an ideal venue for evaluating his vision.

by PoliSam on Jul 22, 2008 4:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The problem with his jumper

if there is one, will not be his ability to hit it. He seems like the kind of guy who, once he sets his mind to something, nothing is going to get in his way. Rather it will be hitting it off the dribble, while bothered. That said, I don’t anticpate he’ll have more problems than most young guys do. But this will be something he’ll have to show the ability to do before he becomes all he can be in the league.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 22, 2008 4:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think one of his greatest assets right now

is his ability to shoot the shot the same way every time, off the dribble or a set shot.

by jamon51 on Jul 22, 2008 8:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But
It’s a lot harder to hit those beautiful, twisting layups when your man is watching one hand and a 7-footer is coming in like a freight train to bother the other.

If he has a big man like Greg or Channing or LaMarcus in the post, then that 7-footer is going to be wary of the quick dish. It doesn’t invalidate your point, but Bayliss won’t be playing with the cast of stiffs that were at the SL games.

by DonkeyShins on Jul 22, 2008 4:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Speaking of driving to the basket, Martell looked great at times

and absolutely lousy at other times going to the rim. Hopefully he worked hard on that this summer. When he develops that drive to the basket, he will be that other player you are looling for.

Stu Inman: a soft-spoken, witty and brilliant basketball guy -- who had so much to do with Portland's only championship. He believed that you won with not just great players, but with great people. (D Jaynes 2-2-07 Portland Tribune)

by OrygunRod on Jul 22, 2008 11:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rudy

Is a 90% free throw shooter

by southern oregon on Jul 22, 2008 4:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Who best complements Roy?

Bayless showed that he can score; Koponen showed he could run the team from the point; Batum showed that he can defend. Did anyone show he’d be the right complement to Roy?

I’d say “no” and Nate has reportedly said that Blake will remain the starter beginning next year.

Who will get the guard minutes that Jack got last year? Whoever best complements Roy. I’m hoping that Fernandez gets the chance to be that complement when Roy is in PG mode, but who will be the “good enough” point guard when Roy is in SG mode? Will Bayless displace Blake? Are both Rodriquez and Koponen (if signed) both too “pure” point guards to play with Roy?

I enjoyed the SL games, but I’m not convinced that Bayless is our “good enough” point guard of the future. It will be an interesting sorting out process come October.

by vcubed on Jul 22, 2008 3:17 PM PDT   0 recs

Depends on the matchups

If the opposing team has a quick point guard, Bayless will compliment Roy better (you don’t want Brandon chasing Tony Parker or CP3 around for more than a couple of possessions, do you?) but if the opponent is playing a taller PG with below-average penetrating ability (like Steve Blake?) then Rudy will get the PT

by two4larue on Jul 22, 2008 3:39 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

Hit it!

Nail on the head right there.

Nate is very much a matchup type guy. I think if a really quick guard is in there Bayless will get a lot of burn. I don’t see Nate throwing a Roy/Rudy back court against the Spurs or Hornets. But if it gets to a slower/more methodical team I could see much more time for Rudy.

by Powder on Jul 22, 2008 4:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually Coach Nate has said Blake is his point guard

But never has he said he has to start a point guard. Given that he believes in point guard leadership it is still reasonable that we start the year with Blake starting. Maybe 5-10 minutes in 1st and 4th quarters for Blake. But at money time the other three should bring more fire-power and the only real question is when in the season that happens. All of them have to show they can play with Greg and LMA and get the ball into them.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 22, 2008 10:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Koponen's dream to play in the NBA

The decision for who will be the understudy for the backup to the backup point guard is between PetKo and Sergio, and frankly, it’s a no-brainer. The Finn is better than the Spaniard (especially defensively) even though Sergio has had 2 years of NBA experience and 5+ years on Spain’s national team vs. two years of (much weaker) Finnish league experience for Koponen.

The “right” thing to do would be to find a new home for Sergio (trade him for a 2nd round draft choice and free up the 15th roster spot?) and sign PetKo to take his place on the roster.

It’s Koponen’s dream to play in the NBA, so if he does have to return to Europe it’s likely he’ll eventually make his way back to the US.

But is Sergio’s ultimate future in the NBA? Really?

by two4larue on Jul 22, 2008 3:54 PM PDT   0 recs

+1

However, in KP we trust. He’ll do the right thing with input from the front office and Nate.

by DonkeyShins on Jul 22, 2008 4:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Time

Summer league is more of a showcase which gives rookies a chance to play. In Bayless’s case, we saw some tangibles and intangibles, such as fearlessneess, aggresiveness, and an iron will. KP has suggested that Bayless should pretty much have it figured out in 40 games – which will be the equivalent of an entire season of college ball. What we could not see, of course, is anyone, including Augustin, perform very well at the point – some of which is nothing more than the players on the teams, and the fact that they have spent, for all practical purposes, no time together. Imagine starting the NBA season after only 5 or so days of practise and expecting the point to perform well. At least the team has some knowledge of each other. These players had little or none of each other. The first 40 games will likely answer many questions people have about his passing abilities and court awareness. And, of course, he’s only got one year out of high school under his belt, something I suspect we tend to forget. KP thought he was the 4th best player in this draft, and I doubt that anyone, at this point, would disagree. Aldridge played behind Pryz and Randolph in his 1st year, then last year showed he really belonged on that front line. If Bayless is no worse, then this draft will have been hugely successful. And then, of course, let’s not forget we have one more present under the tree that we haven’t opened – Fernandez.

by Eben Calder on Jul 22, 2008 3:58 PM PDT   0 recs

Good observations

Fearlessness, aggresiveness and an iron will are indeed very valuable assets in a PG or any member of our Trailblazers.

We have 3 very good to excellent rookies with 2 more rookies with potential for the years ahead where we will not have very high draft picks.

Stu Inman: a soft-spoken, witty and brilliant basketball guy -- who had so much to do with Portland's only championship. He believed that you won with not just great players, but with great people. (D Jaynes 2-2-07 Portland Tribune)

by OrygunRod on Jul 22, 2008 11:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs