Childress to Greece?

by HurraKane212 on Jul 20, 2008 11:12 PM PDT Comment 44 comments

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtpHrLH_Gyui4gQbsOVvNbk5nYcB?slug=aw-childressgreece072108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

JChill might jump to Olympikaos for 3 yrs and 20 million. A novel negotiation tactic eh? Anywho, it appears that JChill wants out of ATL in a S&T. I wonder if KP will jump on this one?

I bet they'd want Pryzbilla since they don't have a real center. They'd probably alsohave interest in Sergio and Webster, maybe even Diogu. Quick, Someone get a trade checker together!~Nathan

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There's no way someone doesn't offer him more than 3mil in the US.

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 20, 2008 11:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

And I agree with you

We should really explore out our options with this one.

Atlanta has a horrid front office.

by Dheepan on Jul 20, 2008 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Atlanta's loss could be our gain.

I agree. Do look at this one. Childress and BRoy would be a great combo. ATL would be nuts not to sign him, after making the playoffs for the first time in 10 years and taking the Celtics to 7. Should they not sign him, yes I hope we explore options here.

by CanadianBlazerfan on Jul 21, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

its 3 yrs, 20 mil

not 3 mil/year.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 20, 2008 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

They are also willing to cover the taxes for him....

...which means it is more like 10 mil a year.

by khryse22 on Jul 21, 2008 6:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ooh

Well that’s still what 6 and change a year? That’s good value. I wouldn’t mind paying him that much and getting him in a S&T for our 2005 draft guys.

by Dheepan on Jul 20, 2008 11:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

This was suppose to be in a reply to jksnake

by Dheepan on Jul 20, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yep, i agree

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 20, 2008 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's the link:

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-Nicolas Batum

by rockingharder on Jul 20, 2008 11:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Same team, Olympiakaos

That recently released Qyntel Wood, offered Chris Webber 2-year package last year for $10to$12million

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3040997

"I was already old enough to know one should flee from the universe but I did not know where to run." Loren Eiseley, then age 5, from "All the Strange Hours."

by OBJuan72 on Jul 20, 2008 11:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

So

Explain to me what Atlanta’s GM is doing? How have they not given either of them an offer sheet? It’s amazing how incompetent they are. Bad signings are one thing, crappy draft picks are one thing. But to not be able to manage your front office to the point where you can’t even put together an offer for your own restricted free agents…wow.

Seriously, resigning Josh Smith and Josh Childress should have been the first and second objectives of their off season.

by Dheepan on Jul 21, 2008 12:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

ATL front office = Screwed up

OK, ATL’s owners are involved in an ongoing lawsuit amongst themselves and they don’t wanna shell out dough till it’s resolved. There are like 4 different owners and they don’t agree on how to run the team and spend the $. So, it makes for long and tedious negotiations and frustrated superstars. Yet another reason to be thankful for Paul Allen.

Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in Tennessee and North Carolina

by HurraKane212 on Jul 21, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is good

Since NY is no longer an option as far as chumps that have any body or thing we want ALT might have be easy pickings for a slap.

by southern oregon on Jul 21, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right you be sir

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by BlazerFan1 on Jul 21, 2008 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Darned Greeks

and their Trojan League….

Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in Tennessee and North Carolina

by HurraKane212 on Jul 21, 2008 12:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Does the NBA Need an Import Quota?

Let’s turn this Greek thing around.Are foreigners taking over the NBA Game?”Only two (NBA) teams had an all-American roster this year (2007), and both are wobbling.” In 2006, 85 players from overseas were on NBA rosters, up from 21 foreign born players in 1991, over 400% in 15 years. At that rate, in another 15 years, there will be many more foreigners than Americans in the NBA. If we don’t set an import quota, they will overrun us. And, the Euro-pros hire younger men than American rules permit, so their players are getting a professional head start.
Look at the Spurs, on their title winning teams they have had 4 foreigners starting. Last year, when the Spurs played the Suns, there were 12 internationals on the two teams. Outside the Spurs’ locker run, signs hang in Dutch, Spanish, Slovenian and French. Is that fair, teams taking advantage by bringing in athletes from other countries, taking jobs away from hard working Black, Red, and White American boys? If they can’t speak English, they shouldn’t be able to go to school here, or play in the NBA.Those foreign leagues set limits on how many Yanks can be on a team, usually two, three with the Greeks. Is this right, keeping our deserving boys from being able to represent our nation abroad? They have quotas. So should we. The NBA Union should counterattack, force foreign leagues to have open door policies. Until Euros allow more Americans, the NBA should set a limit for foeigners to three per NBA team. Like … make the Spurs trade two of their foreigners to the Knicks. The Knicks are under quota. If there are 450 roster spots, and 85+ foreign born, then that averages 3 non-American per team, enough already.
What? KP Finn-essed a Frenchman from the Spurs! Will that put Portland over the 3 Euros limit? Vive le Blazers. Bring on the League of Nations. Sorry about all this. Had my redneck relatives over this week.
“The 30 Best International Players in the NBA,” by John Hollinger, ESPN, 4-27-2007and “Suns-Spurs Series Highlights NBA’s International Scope,” by Elizabeth Merrill, 5-1-2007, ESPNsports.

"I was already old enough to know one should flee from the universe but I did not know where to run." Loren Eiseley, then age 5, from "All the Strange Hours."

by OBJuan72 on Jul 21, 2008 12:51 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs

lol +1

A rival for the NBA would be good for the league, force David Stern to get off his ass and do something about the image of the league. Doesn’t hurt that such a move would hearken back to the old ABA days, when Boston was winning championships year after year…those were the days. Too bad I wasn’t born at that time…

I'm a rec whore, so sue me.

by premthegrem on Jul 21, 2008 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stern David

has talked favorably about expanding the NBA to Europe. Would that make it the IBA? Maybe the League of Nation, LoN, called the Cheney League in honor of its Stern replacement appointed Czar. Ah, think big … it could be the Bush league. (OT – Has anyone read the “Goodnight Bush” book?) Maybe we could follow the Euro lead and name our teams after companies instead of cities: Seattle-OKC-Halliburton. (?Teamname)

Does Stern Davie want to share his benevolence with the naive Euro team owners. Does he want American players to focus on Euro team style over individual glory? There would be compromizes he could offer: cap space, team limits on player’s country of Origin, tax and payroll options. Pick a FIBA rule that varies from the USA’s game, and start to negotiate to standarize. Start with the Euro rules around the rim. Would the Euro IBA teams have cap space for Americans? Would Kaman be exempt if traded to to the Berlin (?teamname) Would American team cover taxes on European players?

+ to Eben comment below!

"I was already old enough to know one should flee from the universe but I did not know where to run." Loren Eiseley, then age 5, from "All the Strange Hours."

by OBJuan72 on Jul 21, 2008 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This should be its on post

in my opinion it raises a very valid point and is thought provoking.. The NBA wants the game spread world wide,, one day there will truly be a world championship.. with the champions from all the major leagues meeting the the big prize…or Euro-league champ and nba champ showdown..a player limit will stunt the growth of the game

if it can be conceived it can be achieved

by lyfefindsaway on Jul 21, 2008 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I meant "own" post grammarites

Just curious how many of you are going to ask bayless for a john handcock and slip up and call him t-rex.. I wonder how he is going to react ?...nothing to do with the post ,just questions lol

if it can be conceived it can be achieved

by lyfefindsaway on Jul 21, 2008 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually Stern has been pretty upfront abut this...

...says he wants an NBA Division in Europe, as well as China. Europe is farther out than China, but still a 40 team league with Asian and European division is getting pretty large.

by khryse22 on Jul 21, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

and he's been getting shunned in Europe

He keeps trying to set up partnerships over there (one in Russia, one somewhere else). The leagues meet with him, learn stuff, then when it comes to contract time, they back out and stiff him. I think some people over there have bigger ambitions – as in competing directly with the NBA for top talent. The trend is heading their way of late, with shorter seasons, very good (tax free!) money, no draft, no restrictive rules about eligibility, etc.

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Jul 21, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I prefer a Euro Leage of it's own

No need to clone the NBA.
But it would be better if all could agree on the rules of the game.

I think Mr Allen should then buy a stake in a Euroleague team and we can set up own own mini sibling rivalry. Plus have friendly team to offer all our euro prospects contracts.

by holder on Jul 21, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's a New Game

Childress will make more in Europe, than here. That $20 million for three years is a net after tax contract – and it’s in Euros. The current exchange rate is $1.60 US for 1 Euro. The net result is that this is a $32 million US dollar net contract to Childress. Factor in the taxes, and Atlanta would have to offer $55 million over three years, or $18 million US per year to match it. Just as the high schooler moved to Europe to by-pass the 1 year rule, this opens up another chapter. Everyone keeps saying the NBA is a business. Well, the weak dollar has set Europe up to grab a number of NBA players in the future. And, frankly, if you’re locked into a permanently 2nd tier team and can’t get your walking papers to play for a winner, why wouldn’t you take the money? Just to play in the NBA? The world has changed. The NBA isn’t the only game in town anymore. Stern better start looking at this fact, because he’s got a competitive league to deal with, and no control. It’s a new game.

by Eben Calder on Jul 21, 2008 9:14 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

yep!

see my post just above. Very similar, and we posted almos at the same time.

It will be VERY interesting to see what the state of the NBA, and European professional basketball is in about 10 years or so.

I’d say the one major advantage the NBA has right now is infrastructure. Europe has tons of competing leagues and federations and cups, and whatnot. If someone over there can organize the system a bit better into a “superleague” of sorts, then they could really give the NBA a run.

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Jul 21, 2008 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This will change pretty shortly....

....When players were coming to the NBA one-way, there was no incentive to create a rules that preclude players jumping from on league to another. A great example is what happens in Soccer throughout Europe and Latin America. There are a lot of different leagues and they have all agreed that in order for a player to switch teams and leagues there most be some sort of compensation. Usually in the form of cash.

by khryse22 on Jul 21, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Euros

Are not impressed with Adolph Stern

by southern oregon on Jul 21, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Joel will not be traded this year

He’s a solid center who can spell Greg Oden. In the event that (god forbid) Oden gets injured again, he’s starting center material. RLEC is a nice guy, but isn’t really anything other than a blowout substitution at this point in his career. LMA can play center (as can Frye and maybe Diogu), but he’s better served at PF.

Repeat after me, “Joel is a Blazer, and will remain a Blazer for the foreseeable future.”

by DonkeyShins on Jul 21, 2008 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Here I go... it seems the weather will be cold...

"Joel has a blazer, and will retain a blazer for the foreseeable future."

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jul 21, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

As long as it is waterproof

this is Portland you know. Nice one.

by SpyderRyder on Jul 21, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can spell Greg Oden too

Here goes with my eyes closed: G-r-e-g O-d-e-n.

Yes!

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by tominhawaii on Jul 22, 2008 3:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I bet you peeked

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by jscot on Jul 22, 2008 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I did the first time

I forgot the dash between the last two letters in “Greg.” The dashes made it harder than it needed to be.

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by tominhawaii on Jul 22, 2008 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You get a cookie

Did you use spell-check?

by DonkeyShins on Jul 22, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

What kind of cookie?

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by tominhawaii on Jul 23, 2008 4:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just as the Brandon Jennings

move to Europe might (thankfully) bring down Stern’s egregious “one and done” rule, a Childress signing for lotsa drachma overseas might also spell doom for the NBA’s salary cap.

Think about it: the salary cap works fine in a finite, self contained universe in which NBA owners compete only against other NBA owners for available talent. But when NBA teams are now expected to compete against deep pockets from around the globe, it very much changes the equation. What if, say, some Russian oligarch offered Oden $30 million/yr to play in Moscow? Yeah, Paul Allen could match, but would he really want to pay the additional luxury tax that’s now mandated under the current salary cap rules? I’m guessing that if matching that hypothetical $30 million suddenly became $60 million, even a bloated moneybags like Allen would think twice. If the NBA winds up losing some of its marquee players because owners are hamstrung in this fashion by the cap, don’t think that Stern & Co. wouldn’t think long and hard about revamping it or doing away with it altogether.

And, no, league owners probably won’t be able to play the old “take less money in order to compete against the best” card that much longer. If the Childess signing leads to a more rapid exodus of top-flite NBA talent, European pro hoops could end up achieving parity with its American counterpart much sooner than we think.

by knickfan on Jul 21, 2008 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think that the salary cap is here to stay, because like I said above....

...you can prevent people from transferring from one league to another with a simple set of rules. Of the salary cap, what is most likely to change will be entry level pay.

I think that Stern still wants and NBA version in Europe and he will let some of this go on because he wants to continue to push that concept, but about the time he gives up alot of this player transfer stuff will get locked up, and the process will become more formal.

Also, agents try push players over seas because they can get a much higher percentage of the contract in other leagues, and you have not seen a mass exodus of players.

Honestly, I do not think bball will ever have the same type of demand in Europe that Soccer has. Without the demand it will be hard for most of these teams to justify paying an exorbitant amount for a player.

by khryse22 on Jul 21, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually...

I don’t think you can legally “prevent” players from jumping from one league to another if they so desire.

What can be done is create the kind of disincentives that you cited in your earlier post:

There are a lot of different leagues and they have all agreed that in order for a player to switch teams and leagues there most be some sort of compensation. Usually in the form of cash.

I’m not really sure how much of a deterrent this ultimately would be. If a Greek team is willing to spend nearly $7 million per + pick up the tax burden for a Josh Childress, I doubt that an extra cash compensation to the Hawks would be much of a deal-breaker. And when you start going beyond the talent level of a Childress and you have an international team willing to pay crazy $$ for, say, an Oden, Wade or Durant, an additional cash payout will be a non-factor. In the end, it’ll probably come down to salary, like it usually does in any labor negotiation, anywhere. And if one party is operating under the constraints of a salary cap and the other is not, well it’s pretty easy to see on which side the advantage lies.

by knickfan on Jul 21, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Take David Beckham as an example...

“Manchester United had been keen to sell Beckham to Barcelona26 but instead he signed a four-year contract with Real Madrid, with the transfer fee being about €35 million (£25m).[27] The transfer was completed on 1 July 2003 and made him the third Englishman to play for the club after Laurie Cunningham and Steve McManaman. “

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Beckham

It is under the Real Madrid paragraph.

Now, I do not think that this is a buyout, but a strict team to team transfer of cash.

Again, I think it is an issue of demand, and I do not believe that European basketball players will near the level of pay of European footballers. Soccer is just that much more popular.

by khryse22 on Jul 21, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, you can't legally prevent league jumping

when a player isn’t under contract anymore.

And to make rules that restrict it in any way, you have to have agreement among the leagues.

If Stern wants to prevent this kind of stuff, he at least needs to level the playing field. Right now, the Euros can offer big bucks to a Childress, but Portland could only pay Rudy peanuts. If he wants to stop the Euro teams from raiding NBA teams, one start would be to change the rules on what Euros can be paid on rookie scale, and on how much teams can pay towards a buyout of a Euro contract.

My guess is those kinds of rule changes haven’t happened because they want to be on good terms with the Euro teams, with a view towards some kind of Euro expansion. But if Euro teams start raiding NBA players, they’ll at least try to level the playing field.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 22, 2008 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Winter Tube Sport

could become increasingly popular in Europe in the off-soccer season. Watching basketball when the snow covers the ground will become a worldwide pleasure.

"I was already old enough to know one should flee from the universe but I did not know where to run." Loren Eiseley, then age 5, from "All the Strange Hours."

by OBJuan72 on Jul 21, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Miles should try to play in Europe.

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by amlmart1 on Jul 21, 2008 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha

that was hiliarious. but with less then half the games, a genuenly better idea

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by ptwnblzr on Jul 23, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs