Bayless is Insatiable; Love is Hungry
Quick check-in here from McCarren Airport as (huge surprise) I'm enduring a Sunday night flight delay.
Chris Mannix at CNNSI checked in with a dispatch from here in Vegas. Topic #1 for Mr. Mannix, and all of summer league, was Jerryd Bayless. Shocker. But check out the quotes he got regarding Jerryd's role on the Blazers once the real season rolls around.
McMillan said incumbent Steve Blake will be the opening-night starter ("It's Steve's job," McMillan said. "He will be our point guard.") and Bayless will have to battle for minutes with second-year playmaker Sergio Rodriguez and Rudy Fernandez, a 6-foot-6 combo guard who is coming over from Europe after spending the last seven seasons playing in the elite Spanish ACB League.
Bayless, however, may have something to say about that.
"I think it's [an open competition]," said Bayless. "Obviously we're teammates and you have to keep a positive attitude, but when we're out on the court everyone is going to compete.
Love the confidence from Bayless.
Love the idea of a competition for the starting spot.
Also, I love Nate's stance. Stand by your man.
Then Ian Thomsen, also over at SI, got Kevin Love to drop this gem:
"The biggest thing now is just the wind and the body fat,'' he said. "I want to get to under 10 [percent body fat]. I'm about 12 or 11.5 percent right now. I was 15 to 16 percent [last season], so that's significant, being down that much. I'm going to hire either a nutritionist or a chef just to write it off on my taxes. I'm learning all the different stuff, even at 19, about the accountants and the things you can write off.''
Okkkkkk... good job, I guess?
Plenty more thoughts from summer league coming later this week.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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I wonder
how much Kevin Love’s chin strap counts towards his body fat?
It seems amazing that dudes can play at such a high level carrying that much extra weight.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jul 20, 2008 10:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol I know
And surprising, at 19, Kevin Love is learning new things.
A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!
by Dheepan on Jul 20, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder about UCLA trainers?
How is he just now figuring this out? (Before training for the draft that is)
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jul 21, 2008 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's probably just really easy to eat bad in college
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by tominhawaii on Jul 21, 2008 4:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every other player has the same food temptations
If this was a common problem with college players, I’d say you’re right. Love seems to be an exception, at least with the GOOD players we know of (and by we I mean me because I don’t closely follow college ball).
College players get food to eat for games, they got people tellin’ ‘em what and how they should eat and access to trainers and stuff, especially at a nice school like UCLA. I’m sure lots of college athletes eat bad, but to get pretty chubby even when you’re such a big, young dude is probably not the best sign for the long run.
I’m gonna just assume he has a body and metabolism that is prone to gettin’ tubby. That is fine and all, but really—he’s a 19 year old playing basketball nearly every single day for hours at a time and is STILL out of shape for a basketball player. That is flat out not a good thing.
I don’t think he’ll eat his way out of the league, and perhaps he DOES eat all the right stuff and his body just betrays him. But, this is likely something that always somewhat limits him.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 21, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kansas provides a training table
for all meals and a nutritionist on staff. Coaches conduct a hell week conditioning program in the early fall that reveals any conditioning problems. Darnell Jackson is a good case in point, He came in as a freshman with some body fat and by the start of the season was chiseled. Sasha Kaun was also changed radically in a year.
And I don’t think KU is an exception. UCLA has plenty of resources as well. Do you think the one and done players have too much leverage over coaches? Not sure what to think.
Yes Greg liked his cheeseburgers but he was not chubby in any way. Love seems to be needing much more than normal diet changes.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jul 21, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Postscript: Darnell Jackson has body fat!
Should have looked at the measurements before I wrote this as Darnell had 12.5% to Love’s 12.9%. But I have watched Darnell play many times and his body is ripped.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jul 21, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so.
Remember GO’s cheeseburger diet?
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum
by rockingharder on Jul 21, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be more worried...
...if at 19, he wasn’t learning new things.
by DonkeyShins on Jul 21, 2008 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the time
I was 19 I already knew it all and have been regressing ever since.
by southern oregon on Jul 21, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
shoot
that age for me was 12
It’s been a tough 17 years since then
by 50backflips on Jul 21, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will we get reports from
the US Select Team practices against the US Olympic Team?
by OrygunRod on Jul 20, 2008 11:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so also...
I want to read every possible juicy tidbit of info on Jarryd and LMA.
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!
by LaMarvelous on Jul 20, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Earthquake
I’m on 31st and Hawthorne and my house just shook for like 10 seconds! Anybody feel that?
It puts the lotion on the skin...or else it gets the hose!
by courtsideerrandboy on Jul 21, 2008 12:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
countsideerranboy
check out this web site
http://www.pnsn.org/recenteqs/latest.htm
Well, Jane, it just goes to show you, it's always something! If it's not one thing, it's another! -Roseanne Roseannadanna
by naybobjoe on Jul 21, 2008 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool site!
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jul 21, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you freeze Kevin Love with you eyes
using your telepathic powers displayed in Vegas, then he could finally commit to that starvation diet he keeps talking about.
by MGNNoah on Jul 21, 2008 5:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sooo....
It’s a battle for the point guard spot in Portland—and a battle against Ben&Jerry’s in Minnesota.
Gotta like that.
RipCity -- now, now ...
by Y5k on Jul 21, 2008 5:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
More Kevin Love tidbits from this article
“The biggest thing I need to improve is my defense,’’ Love said. “I have to do it if I’m going to play alongside Al Jefferson.’’ So you are saying Jefferson is a bad defender and you have to compensate for this, or you will look bad next to him, or what? Any way, Love better hopes his teammate doesn’t read this.
“In the NCAA tournament, you’re playing for your school, playing for your passion,’’ he said. “Out here, you’re kind of playing for a paycheck a little bit.”
Wow, now Minnesota must be happy that they traded for him after reading comments like this. Playing in the footsteps of KG. But well, some experts (most notably Hollinger) predict he will still have a great NBA career. Maybe dependent on his ability to overcome the wind (what wind?) and body fat (is Antoine Walker still in town?).
Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...
by Norsktroll on Jul 21, 2008 7:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Naww..
It’s refreshing. The kid hasn’t gotten the art of the sports cliche down yet. He’ll get there, thanks to the Rasheed Wallace Correspondance Course for rookies. Just repeat after ‘Sheed, “Both teams played hard.”
by DonkeyShins on Jul 21, 2008 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
The fact he actually says something meaningful means it opens him up to criticism.
by jamon51 on Jul 21, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just said "a little bit"
I’d bet anyone that Ryd 50% mad that he dropped to 11 because of his ego and 50% mad that each time a team passed over him, that was less money in his wallet. I’m sure everyone loves the game but they are in the NBA for the money.
This is just in general and not directed at you guys but I am sick of athletes getting in trouble for being honest. Someone will write a diary to trade half the roster and say they’re just players, it’s part of the job, and it goes with the territory and then they’ll complain about a guy in another diary because he just cares about getting paid. For the most part, if they don’t do their job well, then they don’t get paid.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 21, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CTC, baby
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum
by rockingharder on Jul 21, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love seemed to struggle against bigger defenders
Steven Hill blocked 4 of his shots. Imagine playing against LMA and GO! I liked him in this draft but not for Portland as his style may not fit here. He will be comparable to Bogut in production I think or maybe Okur from the outside. I don’t know that he will ever play good defense.
I did read his comments as a negative on Jefferson’s defense at first but then reflected that he simply meant he wants to be in the starting lineup.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jul 21, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank god we didnt draft this cat
dang he’s worried about hiring a chef or nutritionist for the tax write off… what a dweeb!! he needs to hire new management real quick some one needs to stick a sock in his mouth..that is crazy!!...living in lake oswego and he’s just now learning about how money works??? wow!!
if it can be conceived it can be achieved
by lyfefindsaway on Jul 21, 2008 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
T-Wolves fans won't care what K-Love says
Provided his off-court behavior is not sleazy, they will only care about what he does on the court. And I don’t know why it surprises anyone that a 19-year old might not be worldly-wise. If they’ve had a middle-class or more affluent upbringing, most kids that age have not had to learn how to fend for themselves, either by balancing a checkbook (let alone establishing an investment portfolio), or by cooking anything more complicated than mac ‘n’ cheese.
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by CatMan2 on Jul 21, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are right good point
he’s never had do any thing but be stan loves son..you are so right
if it can be conceived it can be achieved
by lyfefindsaway on Jul 21, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
...I just decided to hate Kevin Love forever. I’m not exactly sure why, but that quote put me over the edge. Yer dead to me, Kevin Love. Dead. I think I might even start hating the Beach Boys based on certain transitive properties of hate that are too complicated to get into right now.
by Jumbo on Jul 21, 2008 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What is the Love connection to the Beach Boys?
I saw a blurb about that when Love was playing or getting drafted or sumthin’, and I missed what it said.
I like the Pet Sounds album, I don’t wanna start hating it but… (gulp!)
...Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 21, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Love's uncle was/is a member of the beach boys
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jul 21, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're hiring a nutritionist
for the write-off, you need a new CPA. It’s trading dollars for pennies.
Of course, if you’re hiring a nutritionist for the nutrition, that’s fine.
by jamon51 on Jul 21, 2008 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts as well (and I was a CPA)
do the things you want to do in life and then structure them to tax advantage if you can.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jul 21, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the Nate quote I found really interesting...
McMillan said the door is wide open for Bayless to play a significant role this season. The Blazers’ coach can envision a Bayless-Blake backcourt - “We could play some zone there,” McMillan suggested - and said that if Bayless can fill it up like he did at Arizona (19.7 points as a freshman), he has no problem leaving him on the floor.
A Bayless Blake backcourt??? Surely he isnt thinking about benching Roy, so is he thinking of moving Roy over to small forward? Or is this going to be his 2nd unit backcourt which would indicate that Rudy would be a starter with Roy. I am so confused:(
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jul 21, 2008 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just a rotation/matchup option
blake and rex on the floor would make rex the scorer and satisfy his hunger for points, wouldn’t read much into that otherwise.
by DucRider on Jul 21, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that Rudy
Has been geting a lot of pg minutes for team Spain and doing real well.How about a white team scenario where Rudy is pg,JB at sg on offense and visa versa on defense?
by southern oregon on Jul 21, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts are similar but
Rudy and Roy will play more minutes than Bayless and Blake. KP said Rudy will be a starter and that was no idle speculation. Blake and Bayless on the white team with Outlaw and Frye will force teams to play starters longer than we do.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jul 21, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
KP doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Ha!
ah the internet….
by 50backflips on Jul 21, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then a richer fool then me
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jul 21, 2008 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man...
I have been flamed more than once for suggesting Rudy could be pg in the nba. Now it doesnt seem so crazy. mwahahaha
btw, this post is the equivalent of a drunk bum shouting at nobody in particular, but still shouting none the less.
emic23 = drunk bum
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jul 21, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
That’s just because you’re kind of like the extremist of Blazer’s Edge. If you say something, we all duck for cover. You’re that far out there man. Someone had to tell you. Might as well be me.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 21, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Really???
Its obvious I like to go against the grain but I didn’t think I was a space cadet. Besides, if you filter through my rants I am usually not that far off. The perfect example: Rudy > MJ.
Isnt that much obvious to everyone else???
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jul 21, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just playin'
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by tominhawaii on Jul 22, 2008 5:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
aloha from kaanapali(sp? sorry I have been in the sun most of the day)
You are good peoples in my book….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jul 23, 2008 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could feel your prsence
I see you brought the rain with you. You’re still good people in my book.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 23, 2008 4:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell me about it...
My girlfriend was getting over the flu when we left and the plane ride sent her into full fledged lay in bed mode. So I am stuck at the hotel taking care of her. Although, I do manage to sneak away for drinks and dips in the ocean whenever she stops puking long enough to fall asleep. At least my hotel has free internet for when I get stuck in the room, but I would much rather be out doing something Hawaiian in the sun. Oh well though, not much I can do about it at this point….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jul 23, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snorkeling is still fun in the rain
I saw a few turtles when I snorkeled in Maui. I bet surfing won’t be that bad. For some reason people don’t surf in the rain. I’ve always wanted to try snuba. There is a cool hippie commune over there and Willie Nelson lives near by.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 24, 2008 3:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been there with you
But opinions are free here and the give and take with other perspectives is part of our strength. It is ok to disagree with me – just be prepared for the rebuttal (or acknowledgement).
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jul 21, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
acknowledgment
acknowledgment
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jul 21, 2008 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
argnowbedgment?
The Midnight Rambler
by amlmart1 on Jul 24, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man I Don't Get Any of This
Everyone is calling a guy with 15-16% body fat overweight. They don’t like him because he’s going to hire someone so that he eats right and someone told him about saving receipts so he can write stuff off. I used to watch Monday Night Football with a guy at the Wild Duck in Eugene, and he wrote it off as a business dinner.
I think this is the same phenomenon that occurs all the time. It’s just the flavor of the week, except no one likes the taste of this one.
I don’t know anything about Love, I just know I like to watch him play. I hope he does well enough that I get to watch him play for years to come.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 21, 2008 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts are not negative towards Love
He is a teenager. He is now getting the advice and support he needs to improve at the next stage. But he does not need to justify hiring a chef with the tax write-off. He is not even correct that a chef is a total write-off even if needed for conditioning. However he is unlikely to get audited for that reason and he is well served to get the support he needs to play even better (and he is already pretty good).
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jul 21, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I could care less about the tax write off thing—it’s just a kid repeating what someone just told him as a benefit economically for having a cook, and it’s funny. It’s cute. If we’re bugged by that, we’re overanalyzing the situation and looking for something to be bugged by.
15% body fat and being visibly kinda chubby is bad for an NBA player who is already not a 10th level master athlete. He already has troubles getting up n’ down the court and is small for his position and slow as well—you add kinda chubby to the mix, and it opens up a whole new world of prospective problems with his career.
If a huge guy like Shaq has 15-20% body fat, it for sure isn’t healthy and bad for every joint in his body BUT he’s so big he can use it to his advantage. If Love has that body fat percentage, it makes an already slow-n-small player even slower and less athletic.
He’s gonna be crafty as all git out, but he’ll need to get every ounce out of his athleticism that he can to play PF in the NBA.
I don’t trust undersized shooting guards forced to play PG because they are short, I don’t trust chubby players, and I don’t trust white big men taken in the lottery. Love is sorta kinda two out of my 3 things I don’t trust, but I dunno if he counts as a big man since he’s only 6’8”. Like the writer of the SI article says, his pump fakes work on the raw athletes of summer league and even a lot of big men defenders in the NBA—they’re nice moves. But against people who know how to stay home or know they can use their superior length and size to never have to even attempt to bite on a fake? It just won’t work unless he had better size.
Kevin McHale had a very good career with an amazing collection of post fakes and moves. He also was what, 6’11” and lanky as hell? He could turn after a fake and flip the ball in, his arm outstretched over the also-lanky defender. Can Kevin Love do that? He might have the moves, but he is definitely small. You put him at the high post like we’ll have LMA with Oden, and have him do nice passes from the top of the key to Jefferson and others, but will he be able to score from there by driving or shooting over his defender?
I just don’t think he’ll translate well, but he’ll do a lot of cool passes and has fundamentals that will overcome his lack of athleticism and body that, for whatever reason, has made him non-conditioned thus far. Without the body for his position, he has a huge uphill battle to be worth what OJ Mayo or anyone else they could have taken at #3 is worth.
Body fat and being in shape is a huge deal in a game where you run up and down a court and use all of your muscle to stop bigger/faster/stronger defenders from using all of their muscle and speed on you for 30+ minutes a night.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 21, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to hate on Kevin Love
I think he will be fine as an NBA player. Not amazing, but in the “Brad Miller or better” category with his outlet passes, intensity and nice scoring ability. The jokes just stem from his widely reported struggles to loose weight, and it can definitely be an issue since quick movement and ideally explosiveness is a key element in pro basketball. At pre-draft camp, he was down to 12.9 body fat. It shows that he has worked on himself, but for a professional athlete everyone agrees that’s still not good. In fact it ranks him ca. in the bottom 30 of all players catalogued in the DraftExpress measurements database (data in this category mostly from the last five years).
Some of the players scoring around him or even worse turned out fine quickly, e.g. Chris Kaman who today is considered strong and has quick foot speed, or Nick Collison. Or McRoberst, for those keeping score at home. ;-) Yet there are also examples like Mike Sweetney or Matt Bonner.
Probably it’s not a good indicator of NBA success, but it’s a fundamental since players are at least expected to be in shape before coaches let them step on the court in the season. So he definitely should hire a nutritionist / cook to help him with eating healthy. Nothing to say against that. Shaq has one if I remember his Cribs episode correctly. A lot of athletes do. His college should already have provided athletes like him with a good meal plan.
Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...
by Norsktroll on Jul 21, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good reference
Collison had significant shoulder damage to both shoulders coming out of college so his measurements may not be indicative. But McBob at 13.7 raises the question: is this the reason for his decline from his HS days?
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jul 21, 2008 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because
My Dad is a UCLA grad and my good friend West Virginia Bob is,well from WV i have seen Love and Alexander play a number of times. My read on Love is that he does a lot of things well,there are not many guys in the in the NBA who are better outlet passers,sets solid high screens and heads for his favorite 3 point spot where he can really knock them down and is hard to drive on.I knew Alexander wasent going to fall to us but I really like his game and tude,what worries me is someday he is going to hit his head on the rim,no kiding his height plus his vertical leap= 10 feet.
by southern oregon on Jul 21, 2008 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dont hate on Love
hes from oregon, comeon
by KObeHater on Jul 21, 2008 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You have no hate space for another player, I know.
The Midnight Rambler
by amlmart1 on Jul 24, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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