Greatest "Other" Blazer Ever
The last couple off-seasons we ran variations of the "Greatest Blazer Ever" polls. In the flat-out Greatest Ever contest I believe Clyde Drexler edged out Bill Walton by a nose. Then we did a "Greatest Besides Those Two" tournament and I'm too lazy to go back and check who won. Porter maybe? Lucas? This year we're doing a more challenging version. We want to know your greatest "Other" Blazer ever. By that we mean the greatest Blazer who never played in the Western Conference Finals or NBA Finals for this team. Anybody who played on the '76-'77 squad, between '89 and '92, or in 1999 or 2000 is out of the running. No Hollins or Gross, nobody from the Clyde era, no 'Sheed, Pippen, or Sabonis. Oh, and Brandon Roy hasn't played long enough yet to make "greatest" lists. Sorry.
Register your vote below. Have fun looking through the years of Blazer memories too!
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
P.S. To make this even more interesting you may also name your favorite Blazer who meets these criteria, which may be entirely distinct from the greatest. Just make clear which one you are officially voting for as greatest.
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I second Petrie
Sabonis is my favorite blazer of all time
The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down
by Blazermaniac77 on Jul 2, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Uncle Cliffy
Even though he is the poster boy of the Jordan shrug, I still love him dearly. Plus I got his autograph at a gas station when I was about 8 or so. Sadly, that is still my best blazer encounter….
RUDY > MJ
Cliff Robinson made the worst play in Blazer History!
Before adulation, remember the western conference championships against Magic Johnson and the Lakers, the year we were picked to win it all and Jordan had not quite become Jordan yet. We were down by one point. We steal the ball and start the fast break. Four on one with Kersey, Porter, Drexler and Robinson. Ball gets passed to Robinson for the dunk, he bobbles the pass and kicks the ball out of bounds. Lakers in bound to Magic, who rolls the ball down the court taking just enough time to end the game. I could throw my key board just typing this memory.
Ah man ...
Yeah, I remember it … now. Thanks for the bummer memory. Stinking Magic …
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by Y5k on Jul 3, 2008 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmm
I don’t have a favorite, that’s for sure. The players who fit this category were either Jail Blazers or played so long ago that I know next to nothing about them.
I guess I vote for Petrie, just on what I’ve read about him.
too young to actually have seen him
but from from everything I’ve read, watched, and heard my vote for best goes to Petrie
my favorite would have to be JR Rider. He was my first jerseyshirt and i was too young to understand the bad stuff.
Greatness + Greatness = Great Greatness
No, Grant was a part of the trade for Kemp
in 2000 offseason
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jul 2, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
dave said no sheed votes allowed
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
what's next dave..??
...favorite ball boy between the years of 80-84?
that said, how about we chalk one up for billy ray bates…
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
ps - as fav not greatest
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
Best Question Ever.
This is an incredibly strict criteria, so it’s gonna warrant good responses.
I wanted to pick Steve Smith, or Brian Grant, but I believe they are both disqualified. I can’t even go left field and pick a humanitarian like Christ Dudley because I believe he was on the roster for a Conference Finals Team. I’m even tempted to pick Moses Malone, although he never played with us, he definately was a big factor in our only title (Maurice Lucas).
My hope is that my pick will shock, and surprise, and maybe, just maybe pick up steam. More than likely I will be buried by making this selection, but at least listen to my reasoning.

Sam Bowie
Height 7’1” Weight 235
Drafted by: The Portland Trail Blazers in the 1st round (2nd pick, 2nd overall) of the 1984 Draft.
This is a question that has been debated endlessly since the conclusion of that 1984 draft, it is a question that has never truly been answered, and really cannont be answered because of the dynamics of NBA basketball. Sure the Blazers could have drafted Michael Jordan, and he could have backed up Clyde Drexler, or maybe at best challenged him for minutes, but in the end this was Clydes team as soon as the coaching staff saw the versatility of the man they stole late in the first round of the 1983(?) draft. Question:
Trail Blazers are really cool
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jul 2, 2008 1:08 AM PDT reply actions
Ugh Cat posted before I was done
I was gonna go on to ask.
Question:
How would you feel today if instead of drafting Sam Bowie, the Blazers drafted Michael Jordan, only to trade him to another team because Clyde had established himself as the more solid player in the 84-85 season?
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
84-85 CHI 82 82 38.3 .515 .173 .845 2.0 4.5 6.5 5.9 2.39 .84 3.55 3.50 28.2
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
84-85 POR 80 43 31.9 .494 .216 .759 2.70 3.20 6.00 5.5 2.21 .85 2.79 3.30 17.2
Not neccessarily the best statistical breakdown, but you gotta imagine how Jordan’s stats woulda looked had he been playing behind Clyde on the Blazers bench, and the potential disruption he may of caused. This is before Nike mind you.
What would the Blazers look like today had they drafted Jordan over Bowie? Where would Jordan have played his career(likely not in Portland)? I don’t think people give Bowie enough credit for shaping the NBA like he did(semi joke).
My point is that there has never been another Blazer as enigmatic as Sam Bowie, and no he wasn’t the talent we all prayed he would be, but regardless, look at how he shaped our team, and look where we are now. Would you trade the Bulls roster today (-Rose), for our roster today and (maybe) a few Championships in the 90’s? Or would you rather rejoice in the fact you didn’t have to root for Jordan, and that you can root on an amazing ensemble of players for the next decade?
I choose Blazers today over Bulls yesterday, and I love me some Sam Bowie.
Best Other Blazer Ever.
Trail Blazers are really cool
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jul 2, 2008 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Clyde has said
he told management he would have switched positions to make room for Michael. Everyone wanted MJ except for management, from my understanding.
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by supremepuntiff on Jul 2, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Has to be the greatest combo guard in Blazer history:
James “Hollywood” Robinson
Booooooom
je…...Ruben Boumje-Boumje. Or Vladimir Stephania. Any of those angels who were our saving grace to bail us out after Sabonis retired.
Gimmicks don't make dynasties
The Shaq of the MAC
Gary Trent!
This guy came in with such a big wrap as the next Sir Charles… I have the same body type, so I love it….
He even put up 24 points in a game for the Blazers.

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How bout it!
Bates for favorite, Kiki for greatest.
lickety-brindle
by Billy Ray Bates on Jul 2, 2008 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Tough question - Rod Strickland
The firs time around. Not when he wrecked the 2001 team.
great pick
look at his stats for those 4 seasons. Very very good. And he and Sabonis were a match made in heaven
Too many youngsters
who don’t have a clue. It has to be Petrie. It isn’t even close.
I’ll give honorable mention to Jim Paxson. He did a very good job for us for a while. So did Mychal Thompson. But I wouldn’t put them in the same category as what Petrie gave us for five years.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
Can't vote if we dont' remember
To be fair, us youngsters can’t exactly choose a favorite player if we never saw him play. From what I know, I probably would have gone with Fat Lever, but the first Blazer games I remember are ‘92 so I don’t really have that option.
Yes, Petrie...
but that’s a dull choice. Mychal Thompson wore those fantastic beads.
But remember how really, really excited we were about Billy Ray Bates.
Also, remember that Blazer heartbreak with high picks on Big Men did not start with Greg Oden’s knee, or Sam Bowies broken leg, or Mychal Thompson’s flakiness, or Bill Walton’s feet, but rather with LaRue Martin’s absolute suckiness, #1 pick in 1972. Bob McAdoo was picked next, Dr. J and Westphal later in the round. We must have been evaluating players based on Afro length
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
tough choice
Vandeweghe, Natt, Kermit, Kenny Carr, Petrie, Thompson, Lever….
I guess I will vote for Calvin Natt. Tough as nails and a great competitor.
hmm
lots of good names so far (many who don’t qualify). I think it has to be Petrie for obvious reasons. Kiki, Wicks, and Paxson are likely runners up.
But I’m going to throw out a different name. Fat Lever. Sure, he never reached greatness in a Blazer uniform since we traded him (I believe) after his rookie year. We were loaded at the guards, so we shipped him off as part of the package for Kiki. But this guy had an outstanding 5 year run after that. A major triple double threat every game, and easily one of the best rebounding point guards ever.
Rod Strickland
As a kid growing up, it was always Kiki that was my favorite player.
However, I’d give Rod Strickland the nod as the best (and my favorite) all-time, non-major Blazer. His four seasons here were all great and his game was as fun to watch as any point guard that’s ever been here.
Yep.
I second Audie, more as a favorite and not as the greatest.
by TLF_Big_Papi on Jul 2, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Rod Strickland
no question….
Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...
and i've got to go
with him for my favorite as well. I guess its good that this poll question was so hard, we really have made the WCF a lot.
Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...
Are you implying ...
... that Kiki and Kermit are not cool names?
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by Y5k on Jul 2, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Throwback
... All this talk is making me want the Blazers to use the 76-77 Jersey’s this year: Off-white (cream) with the vertical lettering and the pin-wheel. I think it was red road jerseys too.
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Rod Strickland
Totally underrated player. While he was in his prime and starting the few years he was with the Blazers, he averaged roughly 18/9/5. I blame the bitterness of his departure on Carlesimo, not on Rod.
Voting without including the 80s blazers or the pre-walton blazers, seeing as I’ve never seen them.
Didn't he totally sink the 2001 team when they brought him back?
I seem to recall them having the best record in the league, then completely tanking when they signed him to shore up the PG position and landing the 7th seed.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Rod Strickland was pretty sweet. Also like Kiki.
The Vanilla Gorilla, Joel Przybilla!
by Drexler's Stache on Jul 2, 2008 9:12 AM PDT reply actions
Tom Owens
No, just kidding. But my sleeper pick might be Kenny Carr—very tough, played up to the level of the best big men, and I was VERY disappointed when he retired due to back problems. Buck Williams replaced him and the rest was history.
Don't laugh!
Tom was a capable enough player who was tortured by the fact he wasn’t a phenom like Walton in his prime (there’s a lot of fascinating stuff on that era in David Halberstam’s “The Breaks of the Game,” which I plan to post about in the future). I always felt bad for the guy.
Great (although forgotten) trivia: as I recall, Portland acquired the infamous No. 2 pick in the ‘84 draft from trading Owens to Indiana. Somehow, that doesn’t get much play nationally.
by Modal Rounder on Jul 2, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay, not laughing
You’re right—actually Tom Owens was pretty good, likeable and played hard.
We need a list
Can we get an official list of eligible candidates? Seems everybody who’s awesome has been DQ’d.
I’m picking Joel Pryzbilla because I know for a fact that none of the years he’s been a Blazer were playoff years.
Favorite??
How about giving Steve Colter some love :-)
Alvin Williams
He’s the favourite, if not the best.
The best. Hmm. The restriction on years doesn’t help much. It would probably have to be Rod Strickland, but his greatest gifts to the franchise came before he was a Blazer (when he had that turnover for the Spurs) and when he left (bringing us ‘Sheed).
Mychael Thompson
I don’t think anyone has worn a necklace like that since. I was just a kid when he went to the Lakers and it broke my heart. Much love for #43.
Greatest and Favorite
Greatest – Kiki.
There was a famous quote by him about his pale skin, when he was playing at UCLA. “The sun don’t shine in the gym”
Favorite – Darnell Valentine
I was a young fan during his best years, and I loved his style. And he had one of the best Blazer names, as we discussed on BE last year. A few years ago I saw him in a Blazers Alumni game at halftime, and if I remember correctly he could still dunk. He still wore his socks pulled up to his knees, too.
Socks at knees
That’s what I’m talking about.
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by Y5k on Jul 2, 2008 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
He came to my school
when I was growing up for a mini-basketball camp. I’ve still got the shirt he signed for me.
Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...
Adding another Jim Paxson.
He’s become pretty underrated due to his time frame and who took over his position.
Alaa Abdelnaby
According to basketball-reference.com, he would be at the very front of the line if we got every player who ever played in the ABA/NBA to line up alphabetically, plus he is Egyptian.
The fact that he played 38 minutes of basketball in the 1991 and 1992 playoffs shouldn’t disqualify him from getting his due.
I'm too young to remember Petrie at his best...
...the earliest I remember is the ‘75-’76 team, and I have vague memories of Walton being questioned by the FBI. My older brother and I would joke about Walton stubbing his toe and being out for the season (no more joking after ‘76-’77 though). Anyway, I regret that I don’t remember Geoff lighting it up in the early seventies (although my late uncle, who died during the first season’s play, did see that team on a few occasions).
He wasn’t the best “other” Blazer, and he was a notoriously fast burnout (the very definition of “too much, too soon”), but I remember Billy Ray Bates at his exhilarating best during his brief tenure in the red and black. The greatest CBA/ten-day contract find the Blazers ever had?
Kelvin Cato
Almost the Kwame Brown of his era – Tremendous untapped, never to be realized potential.
Billy Ray “Dunk” Bates. I was at the Paramount Theater watching the simulcast of the game where Kermit Washington threw the alley oop to Billy Ray for a buzzer beater over the Sixers. He couldn’t go left to save his life, though.
Probably the only NBA player who was also a sharecropper.
I’m not voting for him, just reminiscing. The correct choice is Petrie… unless you can base it on their careers after being a Blazer… in that case, it’s Moses Malone.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 2, 2008 10:50 AM PDT reply actions
BRB
Din’t he also hold up a gas station or something … and admit to boozing during every game?
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My mom danced with him at a nightclub in the '70s
she said a gun fell out of his pocket and onto the dancefloor. She says she walked away after that happened.
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by Junior Del Norte on Jul 2, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
LOVED BRB!
When I was 8 or so I dressed up as BRB for halloween. Kind of tough for a skinny white kid, and my mom did the politically incorrect thing and “darkened” my face with black shoe polish….in retrospect I should have kicked my own ass for that costume
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by kevingiard1 on Jul 2, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
My top candidates:
Walt Williams - I collected so many of his basketball cards. Wow. He was the guy I impersonated in pickup games for a while.
Jim Jackson - A 3 point journeyman that made a stop in Portland
Kenny Anderson - He was Bassy but better back in the day.
Aaron Mckie - My brother’s favorite player on NBA Live 96.
Kiki Vandaweghe - Quite possibly the funniest GM ever.
Jim Paxon - A solid, likeable point guard. Well, until he went to the Bulls.
Michael Holton - The lamest studio host. Ever.
Fernando Martin-Our first Spaniard.
Mychal Thompson - A solid center for us back in the 80s. And like Pryz, he was out of Minnesota.
Kelvin Ransey - A quick little point guard out of Ohio State who had a couple good years with us.
Calvin Natt—Once prolific scorer, now an ordained minister and owner of a funeral home in Denver.
The guy not yet mentioned who takes the cake as my favorite: Chris Dudley—Free throw expert.
How do I set my laser printer to stun?
Jim Paxson wasn't a Bull
He played for Portland then Boston (I can’t remember if he ever played for Cleveland after the original trade fell through).
You’re probably thinking of his brother John, who hit the championship-winning shot for the Bulls in the 1993 finals.
Ahh, you're right
I think the confusion came in that isn’t he the GM of the Bulls now? I think that’s the part that got me.
How do I set my laser printer to stun?
The other big I liked was Joe Kleine
Our family always referred to him as “the secret weapon”
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Kenny Anderson = Bassy?
OUCH
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 2, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Small point guard, traded to Boston
The similarities were just too much to resist.
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BTW no rooting for Mychal Thompson
Annoying homer for the Lakers now
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 2, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
!SHEED!
Too bad Dave wants to control this blog sooooo much. No Sheed, no bad words, no Jailblazers; but for some strange reason he really enjoys Pritchslapping.
ww
it was all about walt “the wizard” williams, even though I think he might have played in 99. Watching the wizard camp in the corner and drain big threes all day was almost like watching real magic. Plastic man oughta get a shout out too.
I luuuuuuv the Plastic man
But for some reason, I can’t remember why or how, after we traded Walt + Stacey + junk for Scottie Pippen, Stacey found a way to leave the Rockets and come right back and sign with the Blazers, becoming part of the ‘Sheed/Steve Smith/Pippen/Saboinis/Stoudamire team. So I had to leave him out of my list, even though I luvvv’d the dude.
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The Wizard, all the way
I was always so happy to hear the announcer belt out, “WALT! WILLLLLLLLLLLIAMS!” Good shoutout to Augmon, too. Those guys were my favorite Blazers during that slow era.
Stolen From Lakers
In our first year NBA expansion draft Center Leroy Ellis, also first Blazer to star in local TV commercial for Carnation Dairy, 2 son’s starred foe Parkrose High.
James "Hollywood" Robinson
I dont even know why… oh yeah I do.. all my favs played in “banned eras”
and Hollywood is a cool name
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 2, 2008 12:41 PM PDT reply actions
Why are Calvin Natt and Fat Lever getting no love?
Outside of the the “great” Blazer teams, I really loved Fat Lever. Of all the trades made by the Blazers that one broke my heart when I was a kid. Loved to watch him play
On Paul Allen's cash it should say "In Pritchard We Trust"
by kevingiard1 on Jul 2, 2008 12:46 PM PDT reply actions
Ding!
Good one, although his best days were behind him once he was a Blazers.
Kinda like nominating Pippen – whoops, never mind, DQ’d…
Kinda like nominating Walter Davis – whoops, never mind, DQ’d…
Hey, how about a thread where we put together the “wish they were here in their prime” squad (or did we do that already)?
Off the top of my head…
C – Arvydas Sabonis
PF – Moses Malone (OK, he’s a center, but he’s better than any PF I can think of fitting this category)
SF – Scottie Pippen
SG – Walter Davis
PG – Lenny Wilkens
6th man – Danny Ainge
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 2, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Good one
You could have a three man rotation at the C/PF position with Sabas, Moses, and the Rain Man.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 4, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I never liked strickland when he was a Blazer
I don’t know why, maybe because his attitude was like the anti-porter.
My vote goes to Joel Przybilla, because I never liked anyone on those mid-90s teams, and all my other favorites played in the conference finals in ‘99 and 2000.
Theo Ratliff was my favorite for maybe a season, before he slipped into mediocrity.
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jul 2, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions
We can vote for current players!
I totally missed that part of the post – just kind of assumed the current team was included in the exclusions. In that case I change my vote from Rodney Strick to Jarrett Jack!!!
This made me laugh out loud!!
Great post. I had forgotten about Billy Ray Bates. I think that was the first illiterate person I had ever met. I remember seeing the out takes of a commercial he tried to make and it as painful and funny at the same time. That dude could not speak.
I have to go with Greg Anthony. He was such a great player for us and an inspiration. He played with bone spurs and I always thought he should have started over Stoudemeyer.
He may not have started but...
he got all the fourth quarter minutes over Stoudamire in 2000.
SHEED!!!!
i dont care if i’m not supposed to pick him, screw that
Stacey Augman , Harvey Grant , Tracy Murray
Just had some flash backs …....... Stacey is my pic i always loved his play. Plus might i add a real cool dude off the court. i still think he was the most underrated defensive
player the blazers ever had.
I had to throw in Harvey Grant the other Grant brother who’s only shot was the right corner key shot he would always make. Out side of that he was garbage .and the old school version of Jordan Farmar…. Tracy Murray he was gunna be our main shooter but that was it …......and ended up being nothing
my two cent$
The 1985 Arvydas Sabonis
Why Arvydas Sabonis’ name is black listed, i’ll never know, but we can all agree that the Arvydas we never got to see (that is the young Arvydas trapped in Lithuania late 80’s early 90’s) may have been the best Blazer ever and a completely different player than the one we associate with the 2000 team. Therefore he should be allowed. Argument could have been made that had we got that Arvydas, things would have been different. Dynasties and the Hall of Fame maybe.
If we still won’t allow an Arvydas vote on that criteria, then my option B is Robert Pack to Future. Simply because he had the greatest nick name and poster.
it was the kings
the game where washington threw the lob to bates at the horn to win was against the kings, reggie theus had just made 3 three pointers in the last couple minutes to tie the game, then kermit “one-punch” washington threw the pass to brb for the last second win.
i’d vote for paxson, guy was an allstar , ramsay loved him, dude was a great player.
idea for future poll, biggest blazer flops of all time, how about that jackass from st johns. walter berry?
Nope, it was the Sixers
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yPiZW21GzUA
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 2, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Walter Berry
Oh, that’s a good one, and also a great example (along with Larue Martin) of how far we’ve come in preparing for the draft. I think the Blazers were utterly shocked that Berry was available, and they just picked him without realizing that he was a great college player who was destined to be a terrible pro. Now you don’t see that as much, but instead you see guys like CDR and Arthur continue to freefall despite the protests of fans like me.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 2, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see
how any Blazer in history could be a bigger flop than Larue Martin. Great guy, but #1 pick?
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
Walter "the knife" Berry
that guy was a bigger joke than Ha
"Meow" --- My cat Bonzi on whether or not Travis Outlaw is a core member of the PTB.
NBA Inside Stuff once...
played a clip of a non-portland announcer trying to do play-by-play when he was in the game with Cliff Robinson and James Robinson. It was pretty hilarious. That’s about my most notable Rumeal Robinson memory.
James Edwards
I remember he spent most of his one season on the injured reserve list with a case of Gastritis. Always thought that was funny and lame at the same time. Wonder where he ate?
by Bushrod McSlappy on Jul 3, 2008 1:42 PM PDT reply actions
Audie Norris
only PTB to ever appear in a Dire Straits video
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