Summer League Game 4 Recap: Blazers 74, Suns 73
I have to admit, even though these games don’t matter it feels darn good to win. And it was nice to have an exciting finish, as well as an exciting Finnish. Shame on anybody who left before the fourth. Let’s start the usual review of the guys with a future in Portland… Jerryd Bayless Let’s begin with the dismal part. Bayless started the game as the point guard. That lasted all of three minutes before he had to give up and start taking it to the hoop. He got pulled for a couple of minutes and when he came back he was a shooting guard once again. He didn’t acquit himself that well at the 1. You can tell the difference between him and Koponen instantly. Petteri dribbles with his head up the whole time, seeing the floor. Bayless has his head farther down and appears to mostly see one option. The Suns also sagged off Bayless, employing a technique sure to be repeated when the regular season starts. He started the game hoisting from distance, inducing frustration from everyone involved. Now let’s get to the good part. Bayless was superb as a shooting guard. What he did in the fourth quarter bringing this team back was amazing. He eschewed the jumper and employed an incredible assortment of drives. He had more buckets than a KFC and more twists on his moves than TominHawaii’s panties. After he had established the drive he returned to the jumper and it fell. The portion of press row that is friendly with our little contingent is cursing everything having to do with Portland right now. One of our future bench guys scored 36 in legit NBA style. I’m not willing to go quite as far as they but the kid showed a ton tonight. Clearly his best game so far. Word is he will not play tomorrow because of his commitment to the NBA Select team but his summer-capping performance should easily earn him All-Tournament honors. Petteri Koponen We shouldn’t forget the guy helping to set up Bayless during much of that late run. Koponen’s passes, energy, and defense to force the game-deciding over-and-back made this win possible. Like Bayless, Petteri struggled early on. He put up a lot of jumpers which looked decent until they hit the rim. He did have some aggressive drives but he only converted 2 of 13 attempts. His 5 assists and 1 turnover will be the place where he hangs his hat for this game. There was plenty of admiration for him along press row as well, albeit from different places and on a different level. Nicolas Batum Batum came out of his shell early…the only one of the Big Three who succeeded in the first quarter. In this case “success” looked like a couple rebound, some hard-fought defense, and a plethora of aggressive drives. Unfortunately he couldn’t finish those drives and ended up only 2-8 for the game. Still this was his most active effort yet. The Supporting Cast: For the first time this summer the supporting cast actually contibuted in a meaningful way that led to a win. Of note were Bernard Robinson's 7 rebounds, the 33-36 overall rebound deficit (only 3 on a night we were outmatched in the frontcourt talent-wise), and the 27 points the other players contributed to the overall total score. Nice job. Random Notes on the Big Three: --Petteri moves well without the ball and cuts quickly. --If Summer League is any indication Bayless takes a while to warm up in a game. He won’t have that luxury in the Show, coming off the bench for limited minutes. --Both Bayless and Batum can RUN. WOW. They are quick! --Koponen doesn’t give up on plays. I like that about him. He fights every minute. --Bayless moves like lightning, but Batum flows like water. If he can ever get a finishing move or two down (plus some meat on his bones) he could be amazing to watch. Some post-game quotes from Summer League Head Coach Monty Williams: “It was big for us not just win this game but to win it the right way.” In response to a question about whether he was talking to Bayless more than he usually would: “He (Bayless) is our priority. Him and Petteri and Nicolas are the reason why we’re here. If we don’t have those draft picks people aren’t standing up and cheering…Our motivation is to make them better players.” In response to whether it was a strange feeling of getting standing ovations at Summer League: “Naw, that’s just Portland, man. I heard about Blazermania when I was at other places. Now that I’m here I see it and feel it. The people of Portland are great.” --Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com) --------------
UPDATE: Here's some postgame video of Coach Monty. Turn up the volume on this one, sorry for the arena noise. Basically: Monty loves Mr. Bayless. -- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Bayless is a warrior
we found ourselves another talented dude that hates to lose.
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by jksnake99 on
Jul 19, 2008 9:34 PM PDT
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Bayless got play of the day again
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by jksnake99 on
Jul 19, 2008 9:40 PM PDT
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Blazers had 3 of top 5 plays
Bayless4Ever
by Sabonis4Ever on
Jul 19, 2008 10:02 PM PDT
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link?
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on
Jul 19, 2008 10:06 PM PDT
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cant
Its the nba broadband player. Go to www.nba.com and click on the vids in the right corner. the video you want is called top 5 rookie plays saturday.
Bayless4Ever
by Sabonis4Ever on
Jul 19, 2008 10:24 PM PDT
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I don't understand
How Bayless’s “Play of the Day” (game winning floater) wasn’t even in the “T-Mobile Fave 5 Rookie Plays”, yet Bayless’s powerful throw down was number one ‘T-Mobile Fave 5 Rookie Plays”. Interesting.
smile, your on a poster
by Trail Blazer on
Jul 19, 2008 11:24 PM PDT
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Limits...
At what point is Bayless so much better than Blake, that he has to start and play the bigger minutes?
I know no one likes to think of Roy as the teams PG, but like KP has said in the past, its the best 5, and Bayless and Roy at the same time works. That IS the best 5.
I think everyone here has gone a little Koponen crazy. The kid has turned it over as much as he’s made assists. Sergio put up a better ratio last year in Summer League AND last year in the NBA. Koponen may eventually be better than Sergio, but right now he’s just not.
I love Batum’s potential, and can’t wait for him to develop his game. Do whatever it takes to make that happen, while retaining his rights.
by as11osu on
Jul 19, 2008 9:40 PM PDT
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Petkp had 5 assists and 1 turnover tonight
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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Jul 19, 2008 10:51 PM PDT
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Yup only 1 TO all game long.
He is starting to put it together. I say carry 15. Fill the roster. Otherwise we may never see Koponen or Batum again. If either or neither is signed, he or they will probably sign 3 to 5 year contracts in Europe. Then those players probably will be married, have kids, be making good money and not wanting to take a pay cut to play for the NBA rookie scale.
Is there any chance that the CBA could be amended so that teams could at least offer such a player the pay for his first year as though he was a 3rd or 4th year (how ever many years he plays in Europe) NBA player? At least that would be closer to what he would earn in Europe.
by OrygunRod on
Jul 19, 2008 11:46 PM PDT
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Petko has been phenominal
okay not phenom but very very good. He set up plays birlliantly- he’s only 20 and runs the entire team very well. He has great court vision and is patient. He also can drive when his j isn’t falling. Anywho, all of the above Sergio LACKS
-Sophia
That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic
by BlazerFan1 on
Jul 19, 2008 10:58 PM PDT
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This Petko Hype is Nonsense
Lets go over Petteri’s numbers in this supposed “Phenomenal” Summer League he’s having:
FG%: .397
3P%: 333
FT%: .500
APG: 3.5
TO/G: 3.5
RPG: 3.0
SPG: 0.8
Which number is impressive for as many minutes as he has played? None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Sergio put up better regular season numbers in the NBA versus NBA players. He put up better numbers in last years summer league. Why is everyone falling in love with this guy that’s clearly behind Sergio in terms of being a point guard. Does anyone remember when Sergio got actual playing time two years ago? He was setting records. At the time of his injury that season, he had the best assist rate in the entire NBA. The guy also has chemistry with Rudy which puts him a step up on Petko. I just find all of this pretty funny. A kid puts up less than modest numbers, in a summer league, he’s gets beaten just as senseless by quick PG’s, and yet he’s somehow an answer, and better than someone that actually has shown promise in the NBA.
by as11osu on
Jul 19, 2008 11:24 PM PDT
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Stats can have a funny way of lying.
What kind of frontcourt is PK working with this year in SL? What did Sergio have to work with the past couple of years? See the difference?
I’m not saying Petteri is setting the world on fire, but if all he has to work with is a bunch of turds, expect a turd sandwich and not fillet mignon.
by nikolokolus on
Jul 19, 2008 11:29 PM PDT
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Its not all about stats
If you’re a true PG, you don’t have a 1 to 1 Assist to TO ratio in the summer league. You just don’t. He’s not even on the same level as Sergio as a passer or a playmaker. He is however, a better shooter, and a longer defender. Those are certainly good qualities, but they’re not the one thing we should be coveting right now, which IS a true pass first PG, with amazing passing skills.
Another thing I’d like to bring up, that kind of coincides with the future of this team, is what kind of team are we going to want to be. Our starters can basically be anything they want. A tough defensive minded team, a running team, a great half court team. The interesting dilemma that we have will be what to do with our white unit. We have more talent than anyone in the league. That particular unit, in my opinion, should be one we run with. The more possessions you get out of that unit, the more you’re able to increase leads, and put teams away.
That also plays into my preferences for future PG’s. I don’t know what you’re all thinking for the future, but as the team is currently constituted, I think being able to push the ball and pressure the opposition with our young talented, fast break players would be the way to go.
by as11osu on
Jul 19, 2008 11:44 PM PDT
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I too want to see more fast breaks.
They should not be restricted to the white unit but I see your point about how they could be killer fast.
I like the way Koponen has progressed in Vegas—to night to only one TO and 5 assists. Also 33 1/3% on 3s is a good average especially for a rookie.
by OrygunRod on
Jul 19, 2008 11:54 PM PDT
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Are you a fan of Terry Baker
who wore 11 at OSU playing football and I cannot remember his basketball jersey number when he went to the final 4 with the Beavers the same school year he won the Heisman?
by OrygunRod on
Jul 19, 2008 11:57 PM PDT
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A 1-1 A/TO ratio isn't that bad for summer league
Especially when you only have 1 other player on your team that is good at scoring. I mean, look at DJ Augustin: he was supposed to be the most NBA ready pure point guard in the draft, but he only has a 0.3 A/TO ratio in summer league.
by trk on
Jul 20, 2008 10:42 AM PDT
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I don't think it is nonsense
He is not going to be in the rotation this year, most likely but he has demonstrated a terrific sense of the game and played under control seemingly getting better each game. Which rookie PG or SG has done better in Vegas this year? KP says Petko would have had the 2nd best measurements in Orlando this year if he were there (team tested him in Portland). That is impressive. And these games have shown how quick he is and just better than his rookie competition. For sure there are 2nd year and 3rd year players in Vegas who are better right now but his hype is established by seeing is believing.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on
Jul 19, 2008 11:45 PM PDT
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I think the stats are misleading
Petko had a solid 3 games prior to this game. He’s shown that he can run a team, the Blazers look 100x better with him running the team than Bayless. Those turnover problems don’t worry me because most of his turnovers are correctable. You don’t see him jump in the air being indecisive or forcing passes. I don’t think anyone is getting carried away. Most people here expect him to be in the D-league next year.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on
Jul 19, 2008 11:59 PM PDT
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I think his point was that its silly to put Petko above Sergio after a few decent SL games...
I agree…
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on
Jul 20, 2008 1:37 AM PDT
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Putting Petteri above Sergio
is like ranking the hamster above the gerbil in the King of All Beasts contest. I mean, you could argue the point back and forth, but why?
—Dave
by Dave on
Jul 20, 2008 1:39 AM PDT
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I'm excited but...
Will Bayless think it’s okay to just jack up shots like this with Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Greg Oden on the court? I really wish he would have gotten some assists early, but passing the ball to scrubs just isn’t his thing. We can’t know how good of a PG he will be until he plays with some real talent.
by BRoyInThe4th on
Jul 19, 2008 9:42 PM PDT
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very true
He may be best suited, at least initially, as a scorer on the 2nd unit. The bench pretty much only had Trout as a scorer last year- with Rudy and JB it might be an explosive group next year.
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by jksnake99 on
Jul 19, 2008 9:44 PM PDT
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Mos def
We’re going to have one of the best 2nd units in the league:
C – Przy
F – Outlaw
F – Frye/Diogu
G – Fernandez
G- Bayless
by torsoheap on
Jul 19, 2008 10:02 PM PDT
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By December either Rudy or Bayless will start
They might play together but only if Rudy really is a PG.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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Jul 19, 2008 10:53 PM PDT
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very interesting thing to see
That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic
by BlazerFan1 on
Jul 19, 2008 10:59 PM PDT
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Which he isn't.
This “Rudy as a PG” phenomenon gets stranger all the time.
Kevin Pritchard is a 4.0 Draft Day Student
by rmcdougall on
Jul 19, 2008 11:51 PM PDT
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Bayless will probably never be a PG
He looked a little uncomfortable running the offense in the beginning of the game, but maybe because he knew he couldn’t pass it to himself.
If Bayless can learn to bring the ball up the court and hand-off to Roy, then he can start. Until then, Blake is the man.
by torsoheap on
Jul 19, 2008 9:45 PM PDT
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I dunno
I need to see him with good players before I judge that. He’s not a Steve Nash style PG who can make anyone better, but until he has dudes to PASS to who are good, I can’t say he won’t be a PG.
He made plenty of PG plays and brought the ball up the court all the time at Arizona, anyways.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Jul 19, 2008 9:47 PM PDT
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I don't think
Portland needs a traditional PG anyhow. They just need someone to spell Roy from having to handle the ball all the time and they really need someone to guard the opposing team’s PG.
I’d like to see how Bayless matches up with Tony Parker.
by torsoheap on
Jul 19, 2008 9:51 PM PDT
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Steve Nash obsession is out of control
There is only one Steve Nash. If you get a Steve Nash wannabe, odds are he’s Jason Williams. Neither Steve Nash, nor Jason Kidd nor Chris Paul has won a championship yet. This CW that a “pure” pass first point guard is better than a slashing scoring point is not consistent with recent NBA history. Nate will figure out the best way to use our guards. If that means no Blazer averages 10 assists per game, I’m cool with that.
by Jumbo on
Jul 20, 2008 12:04 AM PDT
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Let's wait to see how he does for a year
playing along side Rudy or BRoy. With someone to pass to I think we’ll see a PG emerge. Bayless insists he has always been a point guard. It will be exciting to watch him mature.
by OrygunRod on
Jul 20, 2008 12:02 AM PDT
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Nate seemed resigned
on the interview to not having an open roster spot for a vet. That tells me that Batum and Koponen will be signed and go to D league. A whole season there, or most of one would be great for them.
I gotta say I see a lot more in Batum than I saw in Outlaw’s first year. Batum actually looks like he knows what he’s doing when he dribbles, Outlaw still doesn’t,
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Jul 19, 2008 9:43 PM PDT
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Batum is eons better
Than Outlaw was even 3 short years ago.
We’ll see if he can improve like Outlaw did, but his understanding of basketball and even his quickness and passing and jumper are WAY WAY WAY ahead of Outlaw from 3 years ago, let alone as a rookie.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Jul 19, 2008 9:45 PM PDT
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Batum's main problem
seems to be nerves or bad luck. He knew where to go and his shot looks great. He’s very fluid, but just couldn’t put the ball in the basket.
Outlaw has a lot of talent, but I wouldn’t call him a complete basketball player yet.
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Jul 19, 2008 9:47 PM PDT
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Batum isn't a fluke grab for KP
he knew exactly what he was going into w/ this guy. He only averaged 12 pt a gm in FRANCE.. I was watching his passing and it is great His movement today improved as well although I did see him disapear a lot. Again, it’s not like JB or PETKO are passing a whole lot. Those two are in a conspiracy against my boyfriend and i dont like it. Ok stupid joke but yeah Batum isn’t a bust he is gonna be a good player one of these years :)
That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic
by BlazerFan1 on
Jul 19, 2008 11:02 PM PDT
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He gave a good intrevew said all the right things
about making teamates better and so forth.
by raoulduke on
Jul 19, 2008 9:44 PM PDT
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He's a smart cookie
Makes me wanna take a bite CHOMP CHOMP NUM NUM!
He knows what to say. I like smart kids on the Blazers.
He SAYS he knows he’s supposed to be Roy’s Robin, his sidekick, so I hope he’s okay with that.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Jul 19, 2008 9:46 PM PDT
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He better say that
because he has no choice.
by torsoheap on
Jul 19, 2008 9:47 PM PDT
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Does anyone have any bleach for my brain?
After Dave’s panty twist comment I have this image of TominHawaii in a thong. Help!
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on
Jul 19, 2008 9:47 PM PDT
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Just think
of the “original” definition for thongs – the sandals that most of us wore at the beach.
by torsoheap on
Jul 19, 2008 9:49 PM PDT
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I still battle calling them thongs. My wife has to correct me,"there flip flops"
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on
Jul 19, 2008 9:51 PM PDT
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She doesn't like you to wiggle you feet into thongs?
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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Jul 19, 2008 10:59 PM PDT
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In Hawaii
We call them “slippers.”
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by tominhawaii on
Jul 20, 2008 7:08 AM PDT
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Poor Tom
He hasn’t shown his … er face in here since!
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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Jul 19, 2008 10:57 PM PDT
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I was in bed
I stayed up for the summer league game and passed out afterwards.
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by tominhawaii on
Jul 20, 2008 7:21 AM PDT
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I just love the attitude
Even in the good pre jailblazer years I often wondered if Portland had anyone on their team that could really smell blood in the water. Too many times I’d see Clyde and others hoisting up threes at the end of close games instead of going right at them.
This kid is fun to watch.
by raoulduke on
Jul 19, 2008 9:49 PM PDT
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This summer league
is very interesting in the fact that it so resembles our current roster situation only with less talent.
PetKo:Roy: A larger G who can make plays and can score but cant G super quick PGs
Steven Hill:Oden/more like Pryz: Offensively limited but good shot blocker backing up the front line.
Batum:TO: athletically gifted yet raw
Specifically with Kopo and Bayless, it is almost a perfect pair when comparing how Balyess will play wirh Roy as I see a lot of similarities in Kopo and Roy. Forgetting the obvious talent level, they both seem to be a bit hesitant in scoring but can when called upon and enjoy setting others up instead. Both have extremely high BBIQ and tend to do the little things, even their height is similar 6’5 to 6’6.
I am extremely excited to see Bayless and Roy play together as I feel that we may have seen a preview of what that backcourt will look like with the Kopo/Balyess backcourt. They work well together and seem to fit perfectly together and Roy and Balyess will as well.
by SpyderRyder on
Jul 19, 2008 10:35 PM PDT
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On the video
Did you see Bayless laugh and smile? Wow. Rare occurrence there.
Monty has a very expressive face haha. Oh and I loved how he was quiet when he went “yeah, you are right…we don’t have much help on the roster….”
A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!
by Dheepan on
Jul 19, 2008 10:40 PM PDT
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Only 9 TOs for
the young guys in Vegas but only 8 assists while the Suns also had 8 assists but 18 TOs. Robin Lopez had only 8 points on 2 for 10 shooting and only 8 rebounds.
Petko was only 2 for 13 but 5 assists and 1 TO.
Finley looked impressive in 11 minutes off the Blazer bench. He’ll probably get more time tomorrow as Bayless rests to prepare for the Practice squad where he’ll get to work against the Olympic Team and with some very good young players!!!. (I hope that is official!)
by OrygunRod on
Jul 19, 2008 10:52 PM PDT
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The official post on NBA.com
lists Love and Robin Lopez as the two. Not sure where the Bayless reference is.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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Jul 19, 2008 10:59 PM PDT
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haven't seen it in print
Monty says it in the video on the main page.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Jul 19, 2008 11:00 PM PDT
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Thanks
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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Jul 19, 2008 11:01 PM PDT
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Glad somone can understand the video
especially the questions are lost to me and the answers are in and out even with the volume turned up. (Not complaining Ben it is awesome to get an interview with Monty right after the game. Thanks.)
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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Jul 19, 2008 11:48 PM PDT
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after being this game
how can you not love hill? that childlike smile that crept on his face when the crowd was chanting for him was hilarious…
smile, your on a poster
by Trail Blazer on
Jul 19, 2008 11:18 PM PDT
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Great work.
Only because I know you like perfection (I can live with my thousand defaults) I´ll point out a typo again: “contibuted”.
The Midnight Rambler
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