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OT: Batman: The Dark Knight, Review and Discussion

Note: I'm going to try to skim on the actual details of the movie or scenes as much as possible. I'm always annoyed by film reviews that are more like "hey these were my favorite scenes of the movie". Sorry, it's a little too long. I added pictures so it's easier to digest. Also I think using nihilistic where I did is a malapropism, but it's a blog, who cares right?

Intro

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I'm not a fan of comic book movies.

Some things look better on paper than in person, I'm a firm believer that men wearing excessively tight leather outfits that seem to cut off circulation to the nether regions, is an example of this idiom. Sure, it looks bad ass when it's ink and marker. In real life, it looks more like glorified sadomasochism. 

And unfortunately the trend looks irreversible. At this point Hollywood is toiling away, going ever deeper into it's metaphorical comic book cash mine. Green lighting projects that look well, like garbage (lol Cat Woman, Dare Devil, Ghost Rider, Green Lantern). That should make at least a 100mil right? The once fresh concept has been flattened, rounded, and shined into an impeccably produced, consumer friendly, revenue machine.

Note: If you don't care about themes and stuff skip this next section. Nietzsche is disappointed in you for not examining your own psyche.

Themes

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Accompanying this shift, is the decreasing amount of actual substance in the films. Sure, comic book movies like their fellow Summer blockbuster brethren will never be heady discourse on the human condition. They shouldn't be. It's just that the film adaptations of comic books often lack key themes that are obvious in the original material. Morality, ethics, self-sacrifice, justice; these are all themes that are conveyed through the comic book medium. Without them these movies are basically guywithrandompowerawesomecgigeneratedfightscenes-de jour. All good stories have a message and that's what makes "Batman: The Dark Knight" superior to any movie that has come out this summer.

What I appreciated most about the philosophy about The Dark Knight, was that it was well, dark. There was an overall very mature and pragmatic take on ethics that goes back to Machiavelli's "Prince", are unethical means justifiable for a good end?

On human nature the film is equally nihilistic. Are victories over the corrupt and evil truly possible when none of us are incorruptible? Who is to judge what is truly right and truly wrong? What keeps us from doing what is wrong, is it just fear? If it is, then what kind of civilization do we truly live in. There is classic role reversal here as well, where the convicted members of society are the ones that act in the moral right, and the "normal" citizens are the ones that bow down to their own want of survival. These are all very deep questions that I was pleasantly surprised about, I never expected these things to ever be addressed in a Batman movie.

Cast

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A strong cast of actors, from Christian Bale, to Aaron Eckhart (Thank You for Smoking), Heath Ledger, Morgan Freeman, and ok, Maggie Gylenhall kind of sucks, but whatever she is a little better than Katie Holmes.

All the buzz however, is on Heath Ledger and his portrayal of the Joker. And rightfully so, he deserves an Oscar for this role. He flat acted his ass off. Honestly, it was the most realistic and psychotic take on the character, and he came off as completely believable. What's most remarkable is that he completely unrecognizable. If you were to say that Heath actually faked his death and slashed up his face to form a permanent smile  and is now living out his life as a crime lord in New York, I would believe you. The insanity and whimsical nature of the Joker is what makes him so frightening and endearing at the same time. This character will be the most remembered in 2008, and none of that has to do with Heath Ledger's early demise.

Technical

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Beautifully shot, with careful attention to space, many of sets are rather minimal and this adds to the dark, modern nature of the film. The most beautiful and visceral scenes are the cityscapes, the towering heights of the concrete jungle and the bat that flutters through them, it was visual poetry.

The actions scenes were well done, but not over the top. The opening bank heist was clever and an immediate attention grabber. There is more than enough action to sedate those just looking for a popcorn flick.

Lack of CGI was duly noted and appreciated. Probably why the action in this movie far surpasses Iron Man.

Drawbacks:

Too long

The second arc isn't as good as the first. Might have worked better as a sequel.

Overall

In conclusion, the film lends credence to the idea that faith in ones own beliefs and the conviction to follow through on those notions, despite the consequences, is what truly defines courage.  An idea that  we should all strive towards. I think this movie will may well be remembered as the best superhero film.

4.8/5

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Well This is excellent

Far better analysis than I have read anywhere else..period. You have hit the nail on the head on every aspect . One critique I often read is that there is too much dialogue not enough action. But in my humble opinion , this take on Batman was to highlight his weakness and humanity. Of course the antagonist becomes ever more endearing untill the last scene when we really are not sure who the “bad guy” is-this being your point obviously. Great way to waste a night, enlightening, too long, but completely worth the theater price and a must see.

-Sophia

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 18, 2008 3:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Haha thanks

And I agree, the whole convoy chase scene was pretty much entirely action, and that lasted like 10 whole minutes. I thought it was a good mix.

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 18, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you like complex moral drama and

the nature of evil in the human psyche, what did you think of the original “Hulk” movie?

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Jul 18, 2008 5:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I never watched it

It got some pretty poor reviews, from both critics and my friends, plus it looked kind of cheesy.

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 18, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are we talking the Bana Hulk movie?

One of the top five worst movies I’ve ever seen. HATED IT.

I liked this batman. Didn’t super love it. I like the opinions of the original poster.

by Blazersaurus on Jul 21, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was a psychodrama tour-de-force

I think the real problem with the movie was that Ang Lee tried to do too much with it. He had to introduce the character, provide a historical background, and mix-in a lot of smash-action. That’s plenty right there, but then he wanted to explore as well the psyches of the characters, which seemed to most viewers to be too much. I think he pulled it off pretty well.

There was also the matter of audience expectations. Hulk fans probably wanted to see Hulk smash and toss things a lot more than delve into the tortured relationship between Bruce Banner and his father, Banner and his girlfriend, Banner and, well, everyone…

I had no problem with the CGI. It was a daunting task, they were breaking new ground, and it looked realistic enough not to jar my suspension of disbelief.

BTW, I thought Eric Bana and Jennifer Connelly were WAY better and more believable than Ed Norton and Liv Tyler.

The new Hulk movie is a fine movie, but I feel like I only needed to see it once to see it all. I’ve watched the original Hulk movie many times, and always find something new to enjoy in it. The fine acting. The lush settings. The comic-panel insets. The subtle and expressive use of the color green throughout the film. The lonely flute solos that express the isolation and suffering of the Hulk/Banner character. Most of all, the complex and emotionally charged relationships between the main characters and the theme of man’s sin nature and inhumanity to others. Wow, I feel like watching it again!

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Jul 21, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I want to go see it today, it's my birthday too.

I know some people that think it’s too dark and don’t want to go see it. I’m look forward to seeing Heath’s brilliant acting. I hope he wins an academy award because he has been robbed in past award shows.

by BRoyInThe4th on Jul 18, 2008 5:14 PM PDT reply actions  

im trying to figure out how this ties into BLAZERS edge

well I guess the buffet of goodness mr channing frye was there for the premier so ..i guess this works… thats sad about Heath Ledger’s tragic demise..r.i.p

if it can be conceived it can be achieved

by lyfefindsaway on Jul 19, 2008 9:10 AM PDT reply actions  

"im trying to figure out how this ties into BLAZERS edge"

That is why it is labled “OT”. I actually like Off Topic (OT) posts sometimes as long as they aren’t dominating the FanPosts. Besides, what is summer for, if not draft speculation, weird trade ideas and OT posts?

Mortimer: "It’ll be so nice I’ll need microfracture—ON MY WEINER."

by 92wastheyear on Jul 19, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

mmmmmmmmmmmmm

chaos…...I am an agent of chaos.

Bayless4Ever

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 20, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

My bad, it should be:

If you would have learnt to write “in” English as I doll you consider a truth membership of organization in chaos.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jul 21, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually almlmart, your first shot was closer to the mark

Let me tweak it just a bit:

“When you´ve learned to write English as I do, l´ll consider you a true member of the chaos organization.”

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Jul 21, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

THanks Animal, you are a good member of CONTROL.

And I`m an agent of KAOS. I was trying to introduce more “chaos” in my second sentence, doing it worse voluntarily, as a chaotic sentence should be a condition to be an agent of chaos . But I confess that I don`t need to do any effort to be an English chaotic writer and slow-witted guy.
Good phrase that one of yours anyway.
Hugs.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jul 21, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

D'oh! Looks like I'm the slow-witted one

I forgot about your tricky sense of humor. I’ll know better next time!

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Jul 21, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, you got amlmartslapped.

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by tominhawaii on Jul 21, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least he let me keep

my team’s first-round picks after 2018.

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Jul 21, 2008 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

"learnt" is valid English

But you’d never see it spelled that way in Portland (it’s an English spelling, not American).

by royroty on Jul 22, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whats CGI?

I loved the movie, and agree with the review.. but what is CGI?

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life,(of the Blazers), (of KP's madness), of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity." - Albert Einstein

by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Jul 19, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Computer Generated Imagery

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 19, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

One on One

Do you think Batman could beat Roy in a game of first to 17.5?
Secondly, if Roy would beat Batman in that game of one on one, is there a person on the roster that Batman could beat in a first to 17.5?

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by tominhawaii on Jul 19, 2008 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

That's Harsh

I heard Batman is kind of mean in this new movie. Frickin’ everyone is talking about it. I can’t wait for it to come out on DVD.

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by tominhawaii on Jul 21, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

just saw it again last night

close your eyes and ears whenever Gylgdendall is on screen.

Bayless4Ever

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 22, 2008 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Yeah, she got what was coming to her.

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 22, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Dark Knight

is the best movie of the summer….by far. So far that it’s laughable. This should warrent Best Picture talk.

by DrivetheLane on Jul 19, 2008 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Best movies usually come out in the fall

So I’m going to hold my judgment until then. Last year, No Country and There Will be Blood both opened in the fall. There really isn’t much to compare it to. After the Oscar’s, Hollywood usually puts out garbage until the summer.

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 19, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best Picture winners usually do come out in the fall.

Saving Private Ryan is a notable exception. I’m not saying TDK should win, I’m saying it should warrant a nomination, or at the very least, heavy consideration. And I have a feeling this is a summer movie that has the staying power to be remembered in Oscar season, mostly because Ledger should be a lock in the supporting actor category. I agree that it probably is a little too eary to tell, but after seeing this movie, I felt the same way I did after seeing No Country for Old Men: completely blown away. And if there are better films to come in the fall, which I’m sure there will be, then it’s going to be a great fall movie season.

by DrivetheLane on Jul 20, 2008 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sadly

Saving Private Ryan did not win best picture. It went to Shakespeare in Love, people just remember Ryan because in retrospect its not winning was a head scratcher.

I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson

by supremepuntiff on Jul 21, 2008 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

For me it's being nomiated was a head scrather.

The open and ending of the movie are very good. The middle is horrid. Some of the worst dialog ever put on screen. Oh and that ending with the old man sucks too. I consider this one of the most over rated movies ever.

Return of the King
Saving Private Ryan
Dark Knight (though I liked this one)

by Blazersaurus on Jul 21, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Return of the King overrated? Why?

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Jul 21, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Return of the King was awesom

plus I think it one as an award for the whole trilogy.

@('.')@

by JTDuck22 on Jul 21, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

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