Blazersedge: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
New Blog: Anchor Of Gold For Vanderbilt Fans!

Bring It On

Well, in a recent fanpost titled "Chips? What Chips?" by blazerwizard, he posed the question, "What chips do we really have?"

For obvious reasons, some of us disagreed with his premise. Dheepan made a solid response with this reply.

In all the back and forthness, I paused and thought about all this from my point of view. There are some chips that we have that are obvious (the big 3, RLEC, vets like Pryz with nice contracts, young guns that can contribute, etc.).

In particular however, Martell and Travis are often the target of criticism by naysayers. How much are they really worth? What is their role on their team? How much room for development do they have? What do they need to be a vital part of this team?

With that said, I will do my best to examine both Martell and Travis and in doing so, perhaps try to understand what their future is with the team, and hopefully at the same time, show that Martell and Travis are most definitely, "chips," and not only chips, but also quality players that could have key roles on this team.

Martell Webster

28.4 MPG

10.7 PPG    3.9 RPG

42.2% FG%     38.8%   3FG%   73.5%  FT%

Salary Status:  One year remaining at $3.8 million then a possible qualifying offer.

The good

Martell has grown into NBA material.  Though he disappears at times, generally he's a solid contributor that can spread defenses. He improved his 3 point shooting to nearly 39% and he's only 21. There's guys who were drafted this year that are already 21. The success this past year of Travis Outlaw appears to have given Martell another year to try and grow into his role on this team. Martell has tons of that word we all have a love-hate relationship with--"potential." In addition, the dude can flat out score when given the opportunity. People like to bring up the 24 points in the 3rd quarter against the Jazz. That's great, except for one thing...

The bad

We have scoring options already. Martell needs to learn how to score without taking touches away from Roy, LaMarvelous, and O-dog. Martell flourished when Nate set up plays for him. I think that if Martell would have been drafted to a team with no solid first scoring option back in 2006, there's a good chance he would have grown into a lot more of a scorer, maybe a 18-20 ppg player. He had that kind of potential. Unfortunately, that scoring potential was never utilized on a Blazer team stacked with guys who needed the ball (cough, Z-bo, cough), and now he's relegated to scoring his 12 a game. Now that he's in that mold, barring something way out of the ordinary, that is who Martell is. He needs to grow in it by getting more rebounds, more assists, continuing to increase his 3FG% and his FT%. He needs to work on breaking ankles using his athleticism. Right now he can't really put the ball on the floor and drive to the bucket, even though he should be able to. We saw some dunks and sweet moves from him this year, way more than say...James Jones, but for his body type he should be shakin' and bakin' to the rack all the time. He is somewhat passive right now and loves to hang out on the weakside waiting for the 3 point corner shot. That's what James Jones does, who can't do anything else because he has bad knees. That's what Bruce Bowen does, because he's too old to move around and burn people. Martell--you're young! Get to the rack and throw it down. Martell has to continue to grow his game so that, though getting the same amount of touches he is now, he can get 15 instead of 11 points per game. He needs to be efficient, because that is how he's going to make his money in this league. Barring Martell being traded to the Knicks, he's not going to be a number 1 or even number 2 scoring option. You need to get efficient and learn what to do without the ball to set yourself up for success. Speaking of success, there's one more thing you could be doing...

The ugly

As Dave once put it,

"He’s not a marquee defender.  He’s not even a sign-on-the-telephone-pole defender yet."


People point to the fact that Martell came in fresh out of high school, and his defense would improve once he'd been in the league for a few years. Well that's true--but you put me in the NBA for three years and watch my his defense improve. He should be improving drastically to prove he's NBA-starter material. When Martell came into the league, he was the Sergio of shooting guards. Unopposed drives by him, people faking him out of his pants and pulling up for the J, you name it, they did it to 'Tell. Three years later, Martell can keep his man in front of him (most of the time), but there's still two things that he lacks.
1) The ability to stay with some of the more premier guards in the league and

2) the desire to do so.
To be fair, who can stay with Kobe or 'Bron 'Bron? I mean really...nobody. I actually thought Martell did ok on these guys as a matter of fact, but sometimes, people of less athleticism seemed to shake 'Tell, no problem. This seem amplified by the fact that if his offense wasn't clicking, he really didn't give a hoot on defense. It seemed like when his mission was to shut down Kobe or 'Bron, he concentrated on them, did a pretty fair job, and let the offense come to him. On other nights, maybe against other players, it seemed like Martell went looking for his offense, and just played enough defense so that Nate wouldn't pull him. If he would play his heart out on defense, he has enough natural ability to get his 12-14 points per game. That's all the Blazers want from him. Heck, anything over double digits on a nightly basis along with solid defense would solidify his place on this team. The area of defense, now ugly, could be the brightest spot on his resumé if he works at it.

The future

So what's Martell's future with this team? Well it's obvious--this season is the determiner. Either he steps up and increases his scoring, rebounding, assisting, shooting percentages, and defensive intensity, like he did last year, or he stays flatline or worse, regresses. If we see a regression, or even if he doesn't improve, I think Martell's future becomes very limited with this team. With Blake/Bayless/Sergio/PK at point, Broy and Rudy would gladly manage the SG. Interestingly though, if Martell does improve his game, I do think some of his minutes could come with him at the 2 and B-Roy at the 1. I was watching some old summer league (Brandon's first year in the league), and in almost every game of that summer league, Brandon was playing point guard and getting 15 points and 8, 9 assists, while Martell would score 20-30 points at shooting guard, with Travis at the 3 and LMA at the 4. That summer league lineup could be realistic this year I think, with GO at the 5, IF (and that's a big if) Martell shows that he belongs on this team by doing the aforementioned tasks, which in short, are these:

1) Continue to grow in confidence
2) Learn how to score without having plays set up for him
3) Increase effieciency. Keep raising those FG%, 3 point FG%, and FT% numbers. Use LMA, GO, and Roy to get yourself open looks.
4) Be a defender. Be aggressive. Bring passion to the defensive end every night. If you can make Kobe score 20 instead of 30, that's as good as scoring 10 points of your own.

 

Travis Outlaw

26.7 MPG

13.3 PPG    4.6 RPG

43.3% FG%     39.6%   3FG%   74.1%  FT%

Salary Status:  One year at 4.0 million then a team option for another year at 4.0 million

The good

How can you not love Travis? The dude brings a scoring punch to the white unit and is probably the funnest guy to watch on the post game interview. Humble, aww-shucks guy that really is part of what defines our culture. He has amazing physical ability. The dude can get his shot. Whereas a guy like Martell really needs plays run to score, Travis is a guy who you can pass it to with 5 left on the shot clock and he'll throw up a shot that's got a good chance of going in. And even though he's been in the league 5 years, you really have to look at him with potential, as crazy as that may sound. His first year out of high school he only played in eight games, and in the years following that he was still stuck in the tail end of the Jail Blazer era, so only recently has he been surrounded with quality guys. And that's when his game has taken off. Coming out of HS, he had no real basketball foundation, so he's had to build from the ground up. It seems that for the last couple years, he's gone into the offseason lacking in a given number of areas, and come back the next year with one of those weak areas checked off. He has amazing basketball desire, and he tends to be obessive with a certain area of his game at a given time. He's the guy that can walk into the gym and work on the same drill for four hours straight. Furthermore, Travis has grown tremendously in basketball IQ. It's been debated before here on the Bedge, but I'll say it again--Traivs is not unintelligent. Don't be fooled by his shy, humble nature. You think you're smart because you know how to fix your car? 'Cuz you're making 80k a year with your cushy job you got after your 4 years of college? Travis is making 4.0 million a year without a degree. You might have mechanical IQ or "business IQ"...but Travis has something a lot more important to him--basketball IQ. I would wager that his "regular IQ" is pretty high as well, but that's a little off topic. There's no denying what Travis brings to the game from the thinking side of things. The guy has physical talent--no question. Does he rely on it more than he should? Maybe...but you cannot deny his baskteball IQ increase over the past couple years. Since KP got in and started cleaning house, the coaching staff has done a tremendous job with Travis. He's got experience in multiple systems of play, and he is growing hugely in his understanding of floor spacing, moving without the ball, etcetera.

The bad

With that said, Travis still has much to learn, specifically defensively. It's improved dramatically over the past few seasons, but with his athleticism, he should be able to keep his man in front of him consistently. He's tall, long, and lanky--he should be able to be a solid defender in this league. At present, he really can get distracted watching the ball rather than his man, let his man go backdoor on him, etc.

The ugly

While people tended to get down on J. Jack for a lot of "bonehead" plays, Travis did have a few this year that we gave him passes on. With that said however, I don't think there's anything in Travis' game that I would count as "ugly," as everyone tends to make mistakes here and there. I think Travis' mistakes just seem like more of a letdown because we know what he could have done. When he drives in and jumps over two guys and then misses the dunk, it seems really sad because he could have brought the house down and instead gave everyone a big letdown. In reality, it's a missed field goal, but when we look at it, it really hurts. When we've got the momentum in the fourth quarter and he totally misses everything on a pull up jumper, we groan because we know he could have swished it and sent the crowd into a frenzy. More than anything, Travis just needs to keep on doing what he's been doing--improving every year in becoming more efficient and more reliable.

The future

So what's Travis' future with this team? I think this is most interesting. With KP's rejection of the 13 + Outlaw for Mike Miller, along with Brandon Roy's outspoken defense of Travis (calling Travis "his best friend"), I would have to think Travis will be a Blazer for at least another few years. I think Mortimer summed it up best a while back,

"One of my favorite things about Travis is that he seems like a guy who will ALWAYS be happy to come off the bench. That is pretty valuable for team harmony, and gives us greater depth and consistent scoring. Humble, talented dudes aren’t exactly a dime a dozen"


Travis fills a role on this team. He gives the bench a solid scoring option. He's solid in the fourth quarter. He is the ultimate role player, and that is extremely important on championship teams. How many games have we seen guys like Robert Horry, Bruce Bowen, James Posey, Derek Fisher, etc. change a game late in the playoffs? Travis just strikes me as that guy.

So what are Travis' keys to success?

1) Continue mature and be "that guy" -- a role player who knows his job and continues to grow in it and excel at it.
2) Continue to develop an outside game, making his drive all the more dangerous.
3) Work on passing. Though I didn't really go over it in my breakdown, a passing forward who has a wicked 3 point shot and drive would be insane.
4) Be a defender. Keep your man in front of you. Your offensive IQ has grown leaps and bounds--let's see some defensive IQ. Be the master of help defense. Call out screens and switches.

 

No matter what happens, I think three words can sum up what our team is feeling right now:

Outlaw1024x7681_medium

 

 

 

 

 

11 recs  |  Comment 68 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

I think

you put Outlaw’s points per game from two seasons ago instead of this last season. Last season he had 13.3 ppg.

Salaam

by Junior Del Norte on Jul 17, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post

The biggest improvement both Martell and Travis need to make is on their consistency. The team needs them to be consistent in their production on the offensive end and if they are having an uncharacteristicly unproductive night, they need to step up their defense to compensate.
Once they become reliable on both ends of the court it will ease the burden on the other players and increase the Blazer’s potency.

I didn't mean to turn you on

by dukedee on Jul 17, 2008 11:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post and perfect perspective.

A lot of emphasis has been put on how hard these two guys have been working this offseason.

Martell: The D sucks..period. He wil never be a good defender. As you pointed out, the drive is not there , and I doubt it will ever be. As a starter, he will be posted in the corner much as JJ33 used to be, and necessary to pull the trigger when the double teams swarm LMA and Oden. We will have 3 guys potentially that will require specific attention on defense and he is gonna be a major part of our success when he is the target of the outlet and he has to start getting those looks. If he can get that 3 pt % up in the mid 40’s then he will be the fourth that defensively the other team will have to be cognizant therfor leaving one of the other 3 open.. yeah his shooting is essential. Completely. If he cant get that done, he’s a gonner. We love him but he’ll be on the bench posted somewhere else, here’s your chance Marty!

Travis: Well I am convinced on him. I dont think his D is as bad as you put it. He certaintly is not amongst the worst and I do feel as if we will see marked improvement in the D area. Defense, in my mind is pretty sujectve. He doesn’t haev that killer mentality that some great defenders have (think KG and on our team Joel) but he def has the competetive fire to summon the will to get it done. He has done some stupid things but really the reason he didn’t get blown up here is b/c they were occasional mistakes ever human makes. JJ consistently F’d up and it was frustrating as all heck . So really no comparison btwn those two can be made. Also the PPG you listed for Travis doesnt seem correct. I believe it was 13.6 last season. Lastly, the most important part is, coming off the bench he IS a threat and IS what defenders from opponants will look for. And w/ the improved dribbling..hopefully he will be even more deadly.

So in conclusion, both are important however in a year of two, Martell will be gone.

-Sophia

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 17, 2008 11:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Junior and Sophia,

Fixed Travis’ PPG. Don’t know how I goofed that up ;-)

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 17, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the pics are cool tho I forgot to include that makes long posts much more entertaining when I get pics :)

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 17, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Travis’ defense isn’t as horrible as many say it is. From a NBA player watch report last season posted on DraftExpress: “Though he has flashes of brilliance on the defensive end, Outlaw’s intensity when playing man defense isn’t consistent on every play. If he set his mind to it, he could be an absolute nightmare defensively and could legitimately shut down opposing wing men with his tremendous length and footspeed. But like most players, Outlaw gravitates toward preventative defense as opposed to aggressively attacking his opponent with heavy pressure.” After the first year of stability (as in the official end of the “Jailblazers” era, a term I dislike but am using anyway) he had a breakout year. Personally, I expect his defense to improve.

As for Martell, I think people overestimate his overall athleticism. He’s a solidly built 6’7” swingman that is capable of impressive dunks, but he has never been (by NBA standards for his position) quick nor has he ever had much of a handle. The lack of lateral quickness and footwork hinders him on defense, and his lack of a handle and quickness hinders his ability to drive to the basket. I believe that is why he relies on a jumpshot, one that has yet to show consistency. I expect him to get better just like Travis, but I don’t think it is going to come easy, especially since he has always (since high school) had these same problems.

Salaam

by Junior Del Norte on Jul 17, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Martell is not as athletic as most would lead a casual fan to believe.

In HS he looked like an athletic freak but of course compared to all those regular joes he was an athletic freak.

BTW what happened to your long post? I was gonna respond then it wasn’t there anymore. :(

-Sophia

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 17, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

About that...

I accidentally deleted it after a couple hours. I thought I was deleting a draft. And then I couldn’t repost it, because the draft I saved was blank for some reason. Thank you for reading it while it existed, though. Assuming you actually did read it, of course.

Salaam

by Junior Del Norte on Jul 17, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a copy saved in my history

If you want, I can re-post it or send it to you.

by royroty on Jul 17, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please do I read the whole thing and had

this huge response planned but had to read and post on different occassions as im at work and have to at least appear to be working lol.

-Sophia

I was gonna ask about LP

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 17, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

How is that possible?

Salaam

by Junior Del Norte on Jul 17, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cache

My browser is set to download everything I read and save it so it loads faster the next time I read it. I can also set it to “Work Offline” and it will show me the pages as they were when I visited them last (not as they are now, which is useful on pages like Blazer’s Edge where things can be deleted without warning). AFAIK this is standard behavior.

Unless you tell me differently, I’ll make a new fanpost with your story tomorrow.

by royroty on Jul 17, 2008 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Junior

I just wanted to say that I read it too and enjoyed it. Sorry you lost all that work.

by Corvid on Jul 17, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fact

I think I rec’d it—and then it disappeared!

by Corvid on Jul 17, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

basically JR what we are all saying is.. umm... repost something like it.

:-)

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 17, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'll see what I can do

but I hope you know that if I repost it, you have to write that response. And it better be huge. Thank you by the way, Corvid.

Salaam

by Junior Del Norte on Jul 17, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I clearly think ve4ry highly of my own writing

therefor I’ll write it and it will be long :)

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 17, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I remember correctly

Travis got about 1.4 blocks a game two seasons ago. I was wondering where that went cuz i used to look forward to seeing his huge rejection every game. I see Travis as a more controlled Josh Smith.

Whats your ring size? 2010

by Gregory Roy Aldridge on Jul 17, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not tryin to be mean or argumentative

but Josh Smith? He is, defensively as least, far ahead of Trout and I think it’s wishful thinking to believe him to be that good. However, b/c I would rather have Travis be that good than being right can you give me some stats on J Smith and maybe i could compare it to Trout?

-Sophia

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 17, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Homerism

I’m as much of a Portland fan as everyone else… But let’s be honest, name any fan other than Blazers fans who might say Outlaw is better than Smith…

by Powder on Jul 17, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome article

this should be on the front page of BE.

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jul 17, 2008 12:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

May I add:

Martel
Good, runs his man around and tires him out.
Bad, won’t take open shots.
Travis
Good, Always takes his open shots.
Bad, Is always open. (Not really bad, just needed a laugh.)

They consider themselves forward thinking in Portland from what friends tell me. Apparently they have this global warming issue handled. They’ve found ways to end your life as a profit making venture. And they’re hip to counter culture icons.

by NBA Observer on Jun 27, 2008

by Kampeska on Jul 17, 2008 12:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Travis>Martell right now

Martell in year 3>Travis in year 3

Martell’s on ball D>Travis’ on ball D

Martell’s defensive awareness> Travis’

Martell’s athleticism < Travis

Martell’s offensive confidence < Travis

There’s no doubt that Travis was better than Martell last year, but Martell is ahead of where Travis was after 3 years. Both made substantial strides last year and we’ll need them to keep getting better.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 17, 2008 12:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Completely Agree

I think people need to rethink some things before they make the standard Outlaw should be kept over Martell comments.

Outlaw was almost nothing in his first few years. Martell has held the starting spot on the team for the last year. Also, Outlaw is used to playing against mostly second units and can be the focal point of the offense (aside from late in the year when he played most of the 4th quarters). Whereas Marty most of the time is with the starting squad, which features two people who get their number called before he even gets his name mentioned.

I’m not down on Outlaw at all, I’m just saying that before this season there was nobody who would have said Travis was better than Marty. This year is extremely important for Martell to show steps or else his number is up, and not in the playcalling sense.

by Powder on Jul 17, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you including the year he only played eight games?

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 17, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

Anything they did is relevant. Martell has been in the league now for 3 years. He’s gotten decent burn each of them, and has shown constant improvement. I’m not saying Travis hasn’t, but we’re not dealing with a player at his ceiling at all. Until Marty peaks or shows signs of hitting his limitations, I don’t think we should jump ship.

by Powder on Jul 18, 2008 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good rehash of topics already discussed ad infinitum.

This debate is endless, and I sometimes I get so tired or reading about it. Bottom line for me, if it comes down to Travis or Martell . . . I take Travis.

BTW Travis did not attend or play basketball at a junior college as you stated above.

by noaher on Jul 17, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It is true--this has been discussed quite a bit.

And I don’t know what I was thinking with Junior College. I’ll fix that.

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 17, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's funny . . .

I say I get so tired of reading about it, but I spend like all of my free time at work (which is a lot, let me tell you) just reloading Blazers Edge and to a lesser extent other basketball websites because I’m bored out of my mind. So yes, I get tired of reading about it, but not tired enough to not read about it! It was a very thought out post and you have a ton of good information on it, I appreciate the effort and thought you put in to it. Rec number 5, here it comes.

by noaher on Jul 17, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where do you work?

Not in the sense of “what’s the company’s name?”, but moreso “how are they still in business?”

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 17, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was Woods.

I think he went to a Junior College. Of course, I may be thinking of the wrong guy too. It was somebody we drafted years ago who went to one.

by poster on Jul 18, 2008 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

I, too, think that Mortimer’s comment hits the nail on the head when it comes to Outlaw. And it also shows another aspect of what makes Pritchard a great GM. We have guys at four positions who it seems would be OK (if not happy, per se) with coming off of the bench and do well enough: Blake, Outlaw, Frye, and Przybilla. All four might start for a few other teams, but wouldn’t be stars, but they SEEM to be content with their roles as solid bench guys.

by chezgrin on Jul 17, 2008 3:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post

My only real area of disagreement is about Travis’ “basketball IQ.” First of all, I hate this term and think that it is a cop-out way of describing many intangibles with one word.

Like you said, Travis’ “basketball IQ” (grumble, grumble) has grown drastically over his career. However, this growth is not all that impressive considering, as you said, he came in with few basketball skills and little knowledge. In fact, I would argue that his basketball IQ is still not particularly high relative to other players in the league.

“There’s no denying what Travis brings to the game from the thinking side of things.”

I’m not sure what this sentence means, but I would argue that Travis gets by with a relatively low BBIQ, mainly made up for by his freak athleticism. Are you really arguing that dribbling around and then pulling up for a 15-footer represents high basketball IQ? (Granted, this method works because he dribbles faster and pulls up more quickly and higher than any defender could dream of).

Just sayin’.

by joelor on Jul 17, 2008 4:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I also dislike this 'basketball iq" term...

I never really know what exactly it means and am required to glean the connotation from the context of the sentence and the speaker/writer. However, in this case I believe the point is that he’s smart enough to latch onto defensive schemes and offensive plays but he needs to work on that. Simply, practice makes perfect.

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 17, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU ! :)

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 17, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You sir are the master of the beautiful replies.

Dheepan, I salute you.

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 17, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Thanks for the praise, but if anyone deserves that title around here it’s Mortimer. : )

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 17, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is also the master of verbosity.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23

by T Darkstar on Jul 17, 2008 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your comments have been turning green an awful lot lately.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 17, 2008 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

must be that flu bug

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 18, 2008 5:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"We have scoring options already. Martell needs to learn how to score without taking touches away from Roy, LaMarvelous, and O-dog."

Sorry I have to disagree with the Prez (prezofdeath… does that mean Mr. Bush?, I digress). I think one common theme we all talk about is the need for more scoring options. How in the heck are we gonna claim we have too many when we are this young and still haven’t fully introduced all the components of this team.

I think the BAD qualification is really CONSISTENCY on offense. If Martell gets similar minutes, and we have an overall improved team, can Martell have more PPG? Absolutely. Can he improve his input to the team statistically, emotionally and schematically… again, absolutely, the good news is that with a boost in consistency all these things take place and it is not too far out of happing NOW. Here are the keys to Martell:

1.) Better inside presence = Better outside looks for shooters. Martell is a shooter and the addition of Oden with Aldridge down low should create a little more space.

2.) Better rebounding = More second chance looks. Martell was drafted as a shooter, and if Oden helps the rebounding factor like we plan/hope, the Blazers have more second chance looks which a good amount of those could be kick outs to the 3-point line for Martell.

3.) One more year mature/experienced = Higher consistency of overall play. Overall play will improve because of the work that Martell is doing and that the staff is helping him on. This maturaty and experience should give Martell at least a few more makes to bump up his %’s, it should help Martell to be able to decipher better whether to shoot the three or slash to the hoop and dunk, or pass. At 21, Martell has still yet to hit his very high ceiling and by no means is relegated to only being a 12ppg guy the rest of his career… even if he stays with Portland.

4.) Misconceptions of Martell’s Fire vs. Passiveness. Maybe I watched all the games where Martell actually played good (not perfect mind you), but I felt that Martell would get that “killer instinct” look in his eye at least for a few minutes every game. I read above that Martell “waits in the corner” for three’s, yet other people posting are saying that one good thing is that he runs around and tires out his man. If he is sitting in the corner, Nate told him to, if he is running around, Nate told him to, it is that simple. Martell has good energy, he can drive and does good at DUNKING on people’s faces from base-line or slashing through the key (watch You Tube), Martell gets intense a lot, he plays aggressively with his feet and body on defense good enough to slow things down. I think Martell is key to keep because he can be that “assassin” buzz word that other NBA teams always talk about.

by Portland Dynasty on Jul 17, 2008 4:44 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Well said

1. Martell needs to continue to improve that sweet outside shot. Agree totally

2. Same as one.

3. He should grow in consistency. I guess that goes along with my efficiency wish.

4. Very true. He does seem to do what Nate says. And this summer Nate said to work on ball handling and defense. Let’s hope he followed coach’s orders.

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 17, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think some of Martell’s struggles with consistency is derived from how Nate employs him in the offense. In his offense the 3 man is usually just camped out in the corner to spread the defense, now James Jones excelled in that role, and maybe Rudy will too, but Martell hasn’t. I’m not sure he ever will. The thing I’ve noticed is when he’s aggressive and gets touches he’s a much better player on both ends of the court. However, a lot of the time he just looks really passive. I speculate that a lot of this comes from being so uninvolved in the offense. Last year it seemed like on many possessions he didn’t even get touches on offense, much less shots. It’s harder to stay focused for an offensive minded player like him when he is so remotely involved on the side of the court he’s best at. Although Nate obviously wants to have LaMarcus get the early shots, it wouldn’t hurt to run some sets for Martell early in the game.

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 17, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many times it seems

as though Nate has sent Martell to the corner and told him not to come out until he is allowed to. Martell seems to be instructed to spread the floor by standing in that corner and if he is “good” they will give him the ball once in a while.

That 24 point quarter is very indicative of Martell true capability and not just a one time illusion.

by OrygunRod on Jul 20, 2008 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inside/Outside game needs time to really click...

I have seen enough of Martell slashing and dunking on an opponent to know that Martell has bankable NBA skills as a drive-and-finish player. Martell also has had just enough hot streaks to show that he can develop into a very scary scorer from anywhere on the court… including the dreaded corner.

This year, Martell should likely see a few more open shots per game due to the addition of Oden and another year of improve from Aldridge. Also, every time Martell gets to posterize some sorry bloke, his confidence will gain a little which will help with his stroke, his defensive effort and his decision making.

Martell has fire in his game, if he can mature to focus that fire on a nightly basis, this 21 year old will be deadly on both ends of the floor because of his elite athleticism.

I want to compare Martell to Jerome Kersey, a Blazers small forward from the 90’s squad. Jerome was a workman like player who worked hard enough to hone some great athleticism which enabled him to be a solid defender and rebounder. Martell naturally has a few extra notches of god-given-talent, and if he is pushed right by coaches and worked into the game plan right, I see a better-than-Kersey starting SF for this Blazers squad. Can Martell develop into a “star-in-his-role”? Absolutely.

by Portland Dynasty on Jul 23, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Travis and Martell

have been the object on this blog of more speculation than all but Jarrett Jack and the point guard situation. Well, the point guard situation resolved itself before our very eyes with barely a whimper and I’m certain the same will happen with the TO/MW speculation. The BE commentary tends to focus on a few narrow themes related to the potential, their trade value or their shortcomings. It’s interesting and it’s even accurate but it’s only one way to look at things. Another perspective has to do with their place at the pinnacle of professional basketball among the very best players in the world. If you look at them from this point of view their value takes on a new color. Martell becomes an elite young player (21 years old – wow!) starting at SF for a hot young team. Travis morphs into one of the better young athletes and premier 6th men in the small universe of extraordinary NBA athletes. It’s not exactly connected to their ball handling skills. It’s kind of like the old admonition about knowing the price of everything but the value of nothing. I’m certain that Nate and KP know the real value of these two really outstanding athletes. It’s a separate issue from their future as member of this or any other team in the league. You might as well enjoy them because, for now at least, they are in a really great situation and so are the fans. Thanks PA.

by oregonslee on Jul 17, 2008 8:59 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

wow

that is perfect

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 17, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Analyisisized that to perfection

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 17, 2008 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Trout and Marty Show

The way I see it Trout does appear to have a low “basketball IQ but it is not due to his brain but his physical abilities. He can’t dribble the ball more than three times before it gets away from him nor is he a good passer ; so if he doesnt get past his defender he corrals that third dribble and throws up an off ballance jumper. He’s got a great first step, not sure about his second or third. He’s a keeper but the ammount he became our “go to guy” last year was nerve-racking.

Marty had one exceptional game and in that one instead of running to the three point line he ran around like Rip Hamilton getting space and shooting quickly. I’m thinking it was a coaches decision but it could have been a manic phase. Like trout I think he needs to work on his ball handleing skills the most. Marty layed a lot of wood on people last year. I think next season were going to see a bully.

by meatwad3 on Jul 18, 2008 3:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love Travis off the bench

And I worry about him as a starter and being forced to make quick decisions and mesh with the starters.

Like you quoted above (thanks for quotin’ me, that’s awesome!), having GOOD players who are more than willing to come off the bench is wonderfulness in 6th man form. Usually a guy in Outlaw’s position, possibly in a position to break out and become a star, will pout and complain about not being a starter. So we’re doubly lucky there; Outlaw is (for now) best used off the bench, and Outlaw has no problems with that.

His easy going, lack-of-summer-work nature might’ve made his progress slower than others, but it works for us here. I think he wants to be good and to do what the coaches n’ fans want, but I don’t think he has a burning desire to be a star, for better or worse. Playing off the bench and doing what the team wants is A-Okay to him, I believe.

While I prefer and remain hopeful for Martell’s more starter-meshing game to continue to improve, I don’t think he’d adapt well to coming off the bench, even if it meant more shots and more focus. I could be wrong, and perhaps he has matured past that, but he seems like a guy that REALLY wants to be a star and show he is good, and that pressure he puts on himself has shaken his confidence in the past when he hasn’t played very well.

And since he was a starter, losing that starting job might shake his confidence up again.

Martell is more likely to be traded, but in theory I like what he could give us at the SF spot. You put Outlaw as a starter and his faults and negatives shine bright for all to see—can he play within a team offense? Feed the post? Know when to shoot and when not to? Play team defense to help keep Oden and LMA out of foul trouble? Hit the 3 consistently when shooting in a high-volume form? (one plus was that often the SF camps in the corner in our offense (which I don’t like), and Travis was auto-MAGIC from the corner)

Based on the past, I won’t necessarily hold my breath waiting for Outlaw to be a good defender or playmaker. But, he can score on anyone, at anytime, and makes game changing plays all the time. I really like what he does, and as long as he comes off the bench and is there to score, we can all love what he is good at and not regret his shortcomings.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 18, 2008 3:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am thinking that Batum really helps Martell and Travis

He is going to bring a defense to practices at that postition (wing) that we have not had and it cannot help but force them to improve. At the same time both are really strong offensive players with athleticism and they are going to help Batum become a better defender. As Batum gains offense the other two better improve their defense or they will be playing behind him (later).

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 18, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's be stated a few times...

That Martell can swing over to the 2 if Roy is playing PG. That’s what I love about this team. With some exceptions (Sergio, Blake, RLEC, Pryz, Batum), a large proportion of the Blazers (or potential Blazers) can play at least two positions:
- Bayless – PG / SG
- Rudy – SG / SF
- Roy – PG / SG / SF
- Kaponen – PG / SG
- Webster – SG / SF
- Outlaw – SF / PF
- Frye – PF / C
- Oden – PF / C
- Aldridge – PF / C (heck, he could possibly play the 3 as well – he’s long & quick enough)
- Diogu – PF / C (he’s not afraid to bang – may be a bit short, though)

by DonkeyShins on Jul 18, 2008 11:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You forgot about Batman

he can fly, see at night and hear really faint noises and he’s super duper handsome :)

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 18, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait - bats can't see day or night!

And Batman had more millions than Batum but he is working on it. Still, I would love to be in the practice court viewing when Batum stuffs a Travis dunk!

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 19, 2008 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batum can't play center?

I actually want to see the whole team get in a massive fight and have the following lineup have to take the floor

C- RLEC
PF – Maurice Lucas
SF – Blaze the Trail Cat
SG – Von Wafer
PG – Nate McMillan

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 18, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

May karma draft you to have to be the beat writer for the year that those 5 start!

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 19, 2008 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the word that describes this team is VERSATILE

how many line-up variations does Nate have with these versatile and skilled players?

I think enough to win 50 games.

by Portland Dynasty on Jul 23, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bring It On

Tom’s favorite movie.

Bayless4Ever

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 19, 2008 12:11 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

What about Bring it On, again?

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 19, 2008 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Travis will be around awhile.

Travis came in last year out of shape. Once he got in shape, his stats improved, which is why over the last 66 games, he actually averaged 14.6 ppg. Which, for 26 mpg, was excellent production. After all, at 35 mpg, he’d have scored just under 20 mpg. He’s a key part of this team, whether he plays as a 6th man or as the starter downstream and he can give quality minutes a PF or SF. Two way players are highly valued in this league. Once Oden takes over the center, Travis is going to become an even greater problem for other teams, particularly when he’s playing at SF. Most of the SF’s in the league can’t defend him effectively, and no SG can sag off to double him effectively either. And, if we slide him into the PF spot to get some scoring if Frye isn’t hitting his shot, the 2nd team PF on most NBA teams simply can’t stay with his quickness. KP had no interest in trading him. That has come up several times. Even though he’s not perfect, he’s got some skills that every team needs, and in the context of the team that we’re putting together, makes him a key player. He’ll be around awhile – count on it.

by Eben Calder on Jul 20, 2008 6:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice post

but I disagree on 1 point…...the phrase you were looking for at the end should have been “Book it!!” ...not “count on it”

Mortimer: "It’ll be so nice I’ll need microfracture—ON MY WEINER."

by 92wastheyear on Jul 20, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

You can thank SB Nation for that…and Darius Miles

Darius Miles found me.

by prezofdeath on Jul 23, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martell is a Swingman playing at 3

By swingman, I mean tweener: too slow to guard the 2, but a natural 2 offensive game.

And Travis is a natural 3, but seems to be everyone’s consensus 6th man.

So the Blazers have no legitimate starting SF? (Unless you count Brandon Roy, who I do count, thank you).

As the Blazers move from immense potential and average results to immense results, the relative lack of strength at SF will grow more evident. Personally, I hope Travis is ready to bring his energy for extended minutes this year and close the argument on who starts at SF. That would leave us in the enviable position of 5/5 starters who are major offensive threats (no, not “major offense threats” aka Jail Blazers). Travis adds length and athleticism on defense and the boards.

If Travis is not the man, KP will find Him and deliver Him unto us to raise The Trailblazers on high. Yo.

Until such a glorious age, Nate could make due with the freaking unbelivable toolbox he has for guards.

Roy and Rudy and JBay, oh my!

'77

by LaoTzu on Jul 21, 2008 5:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The reality is there are not enough shots for a dynamite starting 3

The others on that starting unit more than provide the offense we need. Bruce Bowen is not a dynamic scorer but focuses on shooting the open 3 and playing outstanding defense. Eventually that role might be Batum’s but for now Martell is our best defender at the 3 (admittedly not saying much) and he does not complain about his lack of touches. Roy and Rudy and Bayless and Outlaw are dynamic scorers and Greg and LMA are terrific bigs who also can effect the inside-out offense Coach Nate employs. The 3 spot needs to run the floor, get back on defense, spot up for then open 3 and hit 35-40% from 3 and be a team guy. I really look for more hots from Martell this year as the doubles down low will bring him more open looks. He has the tools to play for Coach Nate and needs to improve his defense every year to keep his starting job.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 22, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

A site by Blazer fans, for Blazer fans
Start posting about the Trail Blazers »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Will_cowboy_small
Canzano Politicizes Roy For His Own Agenda
Small
The post that wouldn't be contained
Bender_small
Man, I hate when the Blazers play like this.
Redavatar2_small
16. We Have Liftoff! : The View from Chicago
Winged_vitory_small
Whither Sports

Recent FanPosts

Okc_core_small
Wanna Blog for the Blazers???
Small
(Poll) Whose More Improved?
1sabonis_arvydas_small
TrueHoop Network
Vs3_small
Blazersedge social research project #1: Who's your 5th favorite active Blazer?
Small
Blazer Center stats
Nz_map_small
Oden Awards Watch 2010
Gblogo11_small
DANGER will robinson DANGER
Bedgenight15_medium_small
Black and Red Friday
Cliffy_small
Greg's Averages When He Plays 25+ Minutes
Large_roy-driving-080509_small
See ya Rudy

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recommended FanShots

Greg Oden is developing an offensive game. This is the moment in Jurassic...
oden's interview with nba.com
Historic photo of 1st Israeli & 1st Iranian to play in NBA: Omri Casspi & Hamed Haddadi
A modest proposal: Fire Mike Rice and Antonio Harvey!

Recent FanShots

Free way to make real money off your Blazers.
Can we get a limit on Oden v Durant posts?
OT: Adelman Family Drama
Beyond Bowie is done?
Tyrus Thomas is just as good as LaMarcus Aldridge (seriously)
Iverson to retire?
Must-see vintage Blazer video: 1980 playoffs - height of Billy Ray Bates mania
Channing Frye and Some Balls (3 to be precise)
Patty Mills Interviewed in Australia
Hardwood Paroxysm's take on Canzano's article

+ New FanShot All FanShots >


Editors

Kitten_small Dave

Ben_small Ben.

Moderators

Pict1126_small -ken

Polar_bear_small jorga

Terryporter_small prezofdeath

Small usmcr3049

Jesus_icon_i_small T Darkstar

Wallpaper_small geoffm