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Camby to the Clippers

Thanks to blzrfan in the gameday thread for letting us in on the latest trade development: Denver Nugget Marcus Camby just got salary dumped on the Clippers in exchange for a 2nd round pick

For the Clippers, this is sort of like going to Best Buy with a big gift card all ready to blow the whole thing on a huge flat-panel Panasonic, only to realize the model you wanted is sold out.  You end up settling for last year's, discontinued-but-still-nice, Vizio because your hopes were too far up to go home empty-handed.

Today: hey, a new TV!

Tomorrow: waking up in tears, unable to stop thinking about that new Panasonic.  It could have been mine!  It should have been mine!

That said, Camby is still a baller and I'm impressed by how quickly Dunleavy got back on the saddle after being so publicly emo about the whole Brand affair.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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hmmm

I have to say thats a pretty good pick up for a 2nd round pick! if he can stay healthy that is…

by Enigmah on Jul 15, 2008 7:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So, will this make Denver much worse?

These teams are just stumbling over each other to get us into the playoffs. We could pass Golden State, Denver, Dallas, and Phoenix this season.

by robrun2 on Jul 15, 2008 7:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

for sure

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by Ben. on Jul 15, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on Denver (unless they do sth. useful with the saved money) and GS

The other two, wait and see.

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by Norsktroll on Jul 15, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't jump to conclusions

Right now, yes. But they got more than a 2nd round pick, they got a huge trade exception. I doubt they are done.

They also have two first round picks next year, which means they have some tradeable assets to give away for a big talent—and now, they don’t have to worry about salary matching so much, since they have that exception.

Expect Denver to pick up a very good player who is younger than Camby.

The Clippers, by picking up Camby and Davis, are in “compete now” mode, and this acquisition could make them tough this year. Denver may not be quite as good this year, but they are likely to pick up someone who will make them better long term.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 15, 2008 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was the first thing I thought of

If Denver is done making moves for this season, then they’re already done (performance-wise) for the season. One less team in the NW division for us to worry about.

by TB-till-I-Die on Jul 16, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreede

with all this help, 48 wins will definitely make us playoff bound.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 16, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nuggets are going to be

giving up like 150 points a game… sweet…

by Cool Hand Roy on Jul 15, 2008 7:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They will probably have to play like the Paul Westhead Nuggets to even stay in games this year

which should make for some exciting basketball. Too bad, they won’t win many games.

by tingeyga on Jul 15, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can imagin Camby now

“2nd rounder? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!”

by shralpster on Jul 15, 2008 7:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

he's at the tattoo parlor

getting REVENGE WILL BE MINE across his 8 foot long arm

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by Ben. on Jul 15, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For some reason, I’m having trouble imagining an 8 foot long arm on a 6’11” center. Impressive wingspan! No wonder he blocks all the shots and is always in the hunt for DPOY.

by royroty on Jul 16, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's my question

Does this make LAC a legit contender?

by premthegrem on Jul 15, 2008 7:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

note...

to make the playoffs.

by premthegrem on Jul 15, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think so

they just took denver’s spot in line… what do you think?

"Honor Terry Porter." Email me with your TP stories and memories.

by Ben. on Jul 15, 2008 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

Who do they have coming off the bench?

by robrun2 on Jul 15, 2008 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno.

I see 5 “guaranteed” playoff returners: Fakers, NO, SAS, Utah, Phoenix. 1st four are self-explanatory…phoenix still has Nash/Amare. Shaq is old, but he’s still Shaq, and as long as he doesn’t throw in the towel in Arizona in favor of starting a career in K*be bashing raps… I can’t make myself call Portland a lock for fear of jinxing it, but I’ll do so for the sake of argument here. That leaves 2 spots for 9 teams. Minny/OKC/Memphis/Sac/Denver have pretty much no chance of making it now, Denver as a result of the topic of this post. The other 4 mentioned above are too raw and inexperienced to contend this year, although they have some solid talent. That leaves LAC, Houston, Dallas and GS. LAC lost Maggette and Brand and got BD, Gordon and Camby in return. GS lost Bdiddy and got Maggette. Houston and Dallas haven’t made any changes. As a result, I would be totally unsurprised if Dallas and Houston are the last two teams to break into the playoffs, making Portland the only non-returning playoff team.

My 2008-2009 playoff order:

1. Fakers
2. Hornets/Spurs push
4. Utah
5. *Portland/Phoenix push
7. Houston
8. Dallas

by premthegrem on Jul 15, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Portland will beat phoenix out

and I look forward to them taking on the lickers in the first round.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 16, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so...

Camby is old and fragile. This doesn’t even come close to making up for the loss of Brand.

by TB-till-I-Die on Jul 16, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i bet

that you cant even do that trade on NBA LIVE…

by Enigmah on Jul 15, 2008 8:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a solid trade for both teams.

The Denver Nuggets needed to cut salary from its payroll, while the Los Angeles Clippers needed a guy such as Marcus Camby - who’s a top-notch weakside help defender, but awful regarding man-to-man interior defense - to replace Elton Brand. It’s one of those deals that, all things considered, makes sense for all parties involved in it.

Also, Camby is a serviceable face-to-the-basket scorer around the high-post; thus, he’s the right type of player to pair in the frontline with a traditional pivotman in Chris Kaman, who’s a dominant banger down on the low block. Kaman is decent regarding one-on-one low-post defense, too, so that’ll compensate for Camby’s weaknesses in that department.

by AK1984 on Jul 15, 2008 8:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget

That $10 million trade exception can bring in a nice player.

Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in Tennessee and North Carolina

by HurraKane212 on Jul 15, 2008 9:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

How often do you see it happen?

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Jul 16, 2008 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't finish

Most times, those trade exceptions get tossed out after they expire. When they are used, it’s usually just a few million, not 10M. Most teams want some sort of return on their investment and don’t just give away 10M players, even if they want to shed payroll, they usually want a live body in return. It’s sort of what’s so weird about this Camby deal.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Jul 16, 2008 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For All Those Who..

suggested moving JJ3 for a bump up from13th to 11th was worthwhile, let’s just say.. Clipper PRITCHSLAP!!

If that same rationale works for us, it HAS to work for the Clips. If we got Camby for a second-rounder, we’d be mock-slapping everyone we know – give the much-maligned Clipper organization their due – they basically have pulled a Gasol here, if not then some.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 15, 2008 10:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this makes Chris Wallace look like a genius

In retrospect the Grizzlies actually got pretty good value in Crittenton, and Marc Gasol along with cap space, for a malcontent softie in Pau.

I guess this Camby trade is what you get when a team effectively has 3 GMs

by nikolokolus on Jul 15, 2008 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not even a second round pick

it’s an option to swap second round picks.

by raoulduke on Jul 16, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is good for us

Denver will stink until Stern puts in the 2 balls for the tat boys on all Denver offensive plays rule and now they are little lambs lost in the woods on D,the Clips will continue to fail but Camby will make them a little better.

by southern oregon on Jul 15, 2008 11:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly

Gaining Camby is nice, but losing Brand really hurts. On that note, thought I’d point out that disillusioned LAC fans are calling Brand FElton (F Elton). Truly gut wrenching loss for the franchise, and a startling turnaround in EB’s character. Ironic that the guy every Clip fan trusted commited the most grevious of crimes: FElton pulled a Boozer.

by premthegrem on Jul 16, 2008 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is good

Smart move by Denver, this gives them a chance to stink this year and delay their push with their young guys (Anthony, Nene, etc) for another year while the SA/Phx/Dal teams get older. I actually think this serves the Nuggets better than the Clippers—the Clippers have NO long-term assets (Eric Gordon? Big whoop) and are riding two aging, injury-prone semi-stars, while Denver gets to ride out Iverson’s contract and reload with some very promising young talent a year or two down the road. The only person who loses here is George Karl, who’s going to have to coach a kind of crappy team for a year or two.

by kickbrass on Jul 16, 2008 12:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Denver does NOT get an additional 2nd round pick

ESPN initially reported this wrong. According to John Hollinger it is the right to EXCHANGE 2nd round picks and that not until 2010. Wow – can a bad trade get even worse? What if LA is later than Denver (likely now)? Denver gets NOTHING!

Hollinger does argue that the trade is good for both teams.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 16, 2008 12:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW

I believe this is the first recorded incident of a Baylor-slap on record, KP better look out, then again on second though maybe not.

This is great as Den is now out of the playoffs and the clippers are well the clippers.

by SpyderRyder on Jul 16, 2008 1:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is Denver crazy ?

I love Camby’s game when healthy. Even though he’s never
been a banger, he’s so long and skilled. He’s killed us in some games
past, so I love that he’s in clipper land. Now we have to deal with
that bully KMart. Oh that’s right we have the BEAST named GO.

BRING BACK OUR BLAZERS TV & DOWN WITH COINCAST, etc, etc. !!!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jul 16, 2008 1:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Folks, listen

People said KP was crazy for trading Zach, Fred, and Dan for Channing and an expensive buyout.

Channing is a good asset, but what else did we get?

1. Addition by subtraction.
2. A trade exception we could put to good value. Why? Because Phoenix was willing to sell us a draft pick if we would also help them with a salary dump. So we used the trade exception to buy James Jones, and so we were able to also buy the Rudy pick.

The real value of the Zach trade was not seen at first.

The value of this for Denver isn’t clear yet, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t value.

Denver was the 8th seed in the playoffs this year. As in, last in. How many prognosticators are saying Portland will be in this year? Like 75% or more. Which puts Denver firmly on the bubble, even with their three all-stars. Who did they pick up in the draft this year? No one. Are they getting better? Well, AI and Camby aren’t exactly young anymore, are they?

Denver’s team, as it stood, had a very, very good chance of missing the playoffs this year. Now, they unloaded an old guy who probably only has a couple more good years, and they have a massive trade exception. And we know what trade exceptions can do for you.

People are overlooking the value of that trade exception. Denver is now a possible facilitator in any trade involving BYC players, etc. This story is not done, and Denver will come out of it with some talent that is younger than Camby.

If something looks too good to be true, or too dumb to be true, it probably is.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 16, 2008 2:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

If you are a team looking to dump salary you talk to the Nuggets now. For example, the Knicks could now send ZBo, Jamal Crawford and the expiring Malik Rose to Denver for AI. The Knicks send 30M in salary for AI’s 20M… and at the end of the year AI and Starbury expire and NY just shed 50M in salary in a year.

by danielfarrell on Jul 16, 2008 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what Denver fans are hoping for

If it was the first step in a move to make Denver younger/more competitive and have enough space to afford all the big contracts plus keep J.R. Smith they are happy. If it was just a move to shed salary and thus luxury tax they are looking at the next Robert Sarver.

GS also got a big exception from the Richardson deal with the Bobcats, and just let it expire before Baron bolted.

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 16, 2008 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oakland A's

If you follow baseball, it seems like the A’s are always losing a good starting pitcher to free agency or in a lopsided trade. The next year the pitcher isn’t worth squat and the A’s have more prospects in their system and aren’t hindered by a monstrous salary. Camby is 34 and often injured and has two years left on his contract. I think Denver got the better of this deal unless Camby can stay healthy.

"France is a place where the money falls apart in your hands but you can't tear the toilet paper" - Billy Wilder

by tominhawaii on Jul 16, 2008 7:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but

two 2nd rounders. Cannon fodder. DPY !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jul 16, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Kaman and Camby will be a good frontcourt combination.

One thing’s for sure, not many teams are going to be out-rebounding them as long as both can stay healthy.

by sixth on Jul 16, 2008 7:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

New Jersey also wanted Camby according to his agent

But they couldn’t offer enough “nothing” for Denver, and instead tried to give them actual players (Kristic plus Williams or Boone) as a replacement. Idiots ;-)

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 16, 2008 9:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fallout

Now that no teams have major cap space this summer I wonder if some of the restricted players will take the qualifying offer and become unrestricted next summer. My hope is that Atlanta tries to lowball Josh Childress and he takes the QO and is available next summer. I think he is the just about the perfect fit for this team. The only issue is he is not really a 3pt threat.

Brett Pill - Lord of the double.

by malarky on Jul 16, 2008 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Comments from Denver

from their SBN blog. I only skimmed it, but the story (and this is the 2nd one – first is here) says yes, it’s a salary dump, but a huge trade exception that he doesn’t expect the team to use before the next draft.

Good quote (since it mentions Portland) : “Yes, the Nuggets appear to have thrown in the towel for the 2008-2009 season, but they were not going anywhere anyway. Keeping this team together would have been throwing in the towel too. It is unlikely Camby and AI can stay as healthy next year as they did last year. With the improvement of Portland there was a chance this team would miss the playoffs as constructed. “

"We will do nice things!" - Rudy, 07/01/08

by jorga on Jul 16, 2008 6:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

great link Jorga

Pickaxe and Roll is an awesome blog. I love how he’ll challenge the popular wisdom and use both logic and stats to back up his points. His articles calling Camby’s D overrated (written before they made the trade… NOT sour grapes) are excellent and very interesting.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 17, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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