My Western Conference breakdown...
Are we a playoff team THIS YEAR? We are adding a possible franchise changing center, the top (or second best, depending on you feel about Gasol #2) Euro import, and Mr. Bayless, who looked pretty impressive yesterday. I decided to break down the Western Conference Simmons style, with a reverse countdown.
LOTTERY TEAMS
#15 Memphis – Lots of young talent, but unless Arthur and Gasol #2 are studs out of the gate, they are lacking any real interior presence.
#14 Minnesota – Young and raw. Could be a contender in a few years, but they need their young guys to mature a little more before they become a serious threat.
#13 – Oklahoma City Whos – One more year before they really can be considered a threat. Durant may go for 25 a game this year, and Westbrook looks like a keeper, but once again, who plays in the middle? A “source” close to the Whos game me some insight on their draft philosophy this year. “Who does KP want? Let’s get him!”
#12 LA Clippers – Great they signed Baron Davis. Now they have Baron Davis and….
#11 Sacramento – They have to keep Artest happy, and that is already going to be tough since he feels they tricked him into not opting out. Kevin Martin can score, although he has the ugliest jumper in the NBA. And they drafted Jason Whatshisname?
#10 Golden State – I think they are in for a tough year. They already didn’t play any defense, and then to essentially trade Baron Davis for Corey Maggette is a tough loss.
FIGHTING FOR THE 8th SEED
#9 Phoenix – Getting older every minute. Imagine if they had Rudy… and Luol Deng… and Joe Johnson… even Sergio. Makes you thankful for PA.
#8 Dallas – See Phoenix, except the owner part. Cuban is TOO aggressive, kind of like Whitsett, always tinkering. Now they have 3 bigs who cant score, a 35 year old point guard who is spending his whole summer playing ball (Go Team USA!), and the softest all-star in the league.
#7 Denver – If they played just a LITTLE defense, they could be elite. AI is still a stud, which is unbelievable after all the punishment they take, and Carmelo is one of the best pure scorers in the league. If only they played some D…
#6 PORTLAND – I think this is pretty reasonable spot to project us to. I don’t think we will be a top 4 team THIS YEAR, but we should keep the trend of a 10+ win improvement this year. Oden will probably struggle with foul trouble the first half of the year, and then look out league. Aldridge should benefit the most from Odens presence a la Stoudamire last year when Shaq showed up. B. Roy is a perennial All-Star waiting to happen, and Rudy should be fun to watch. Outlaw and Webster should both improve over last year, and throw in a little Bayless, and this is going to be a great year!
LOCKS
#5 San Antonio – Duncan has about 2 very good years left. They tend to coast through the regular season, but they looked vulnerable last year, and could be in for a bigger slide then this. But never count out Popovich and Co.
#4 Houston – If Yao and/or McGrady can stay healthy, they could be dangerous. That’s a big IF, considering Yao is coming off foot surgery, and playing in the Olympics, and McGrady has back problems.
#3 LA Lakers – As much as I hate to admit it, they have the best player on the floor most nights. They could be losing 2 key role players in Turiaf and Vujacic, which could hurt them. I’m not sold on Bynum, maybe I’m crazy.
#2 Utah – Jerry Sloan is a great coach as much as I dislike him. They are solid 1-8, and all their players can shoot.
#1 New Orleans – As nice as Chris Paul would look in a Blazer uniform (KP wanted him BAD), I am happy with the way things turned out. Paul established himself as the best point guard in the league last year, and his supporting cast is only getting better.
So that’s my impression of the Western Conference this year. Agree to disagree if you like, but that’s my thoughts and I’m sticking to them.
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Denver
ranks as one of the best teams in defense, but from watching them, that is all due to Camby.
Sacramento. I would not discount this bunch to much. They really over achieved last year with a rookie head coach and new faces. I am excited to see what Theus will put together. I could see a team like Phoenix falling apart and opening up a spot for Sacto. Also, Kevin Martin has the ugliest wind up in the nba, but far from the ugliest shot.
I would also disagree that Utah can shoot through the first 8 spots. Kirilenko is spotty at best, Ronnie Brewer is not much of a shooter (but a really good player). If Almond can come in and take some of Brewers and Korvers minutes that would be great for them.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
link
Can you provide a link that says “denver is a good defensive team”.
Denvers D
I’ve seen that stat, but I seem to remember it being that they ranked high in steels, blks and rbds, not scoring defense. My memory is fuzzy though…...
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
Denver was very good...
... in points per possession allowed. Because they play at such a fast pace, there are a lot of possessions in Denver games, making the scoring totals higher for both teams. On a per possession basis, their defense is in the top 10 in the league and their offense isn’t nearly as efficient as everyone thinks.
Boomshakalaka
No link
just accumulated readings over the season. I was always shocked when I read that they are supposedly a good defensive team as they look awful and Camby has to cover all mistakes.
they ranked 11th in point differential which is a good sign, but does not screen out offensive contributions.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Basketball-reference.com has it.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008.html
If you scroll down to Misc. Stats and click on “DRtg”, Denver was 10th in defense.
Looking specifically:
14th in opponent eFG% (shooting % factoring in 3 pters)
6th in opponent TOs
22nd in defensive rebounding
5th in not putting guys on the FT line
107 points per game...
Thats the number I looked at. Golden State was the only team in the NBA that gave up more points per game than Denver. Part of that is the offense they run, and they allow more possessions per game, but 107 ppg is ALOT.
The theory is simple.
When two teams play each other, they have the same number of possessions (technically it’s within 2 possessions depending on who has the last possession of each quarter, but still). Teams that score efficiently will score more in a set number of possessions. Teams that give up points on a lower proportion of their possessions will give up less points in a given number of possessions.
Obviously, the NBA doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Some teams play poorly against fast teams, and other teams play poorly against slow teams. However, there doesn’t seem to be much of a reason to penalize a team for style of play rather than how good they actually are in theory. We didn’t give up a ton of points per game, but we weren’t exactly an elite defense. We were in the middle of the pack at 14th best offense and 17th best defense.
i agree but would actually put PTB @ 7
they are gonna struggle out the gate these guys have 2 gel.
That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic
kirilenko
Granted he only had 116 attempts, but Kirilenko had a better 3 Point percentage than Michael Redd, Kyle Korver, Dirk Nowitzki, and Kobe Bryant. All considered above average shooters.
I wouldn't count out Phoenix so easily
They may have aging players, but so do the Spurs and Rockets. I would never put Houston in the top 4 simply because you know Yao and TMac are both going to miss time. It’s an annual occurrence for that team.
The West won’t have a ridiculous playoff race like last year, I doubt a 49 win team gets locked out this season. But, I wonder how well the Blazers will mesh this season with 3 new key additions to the roster, 1 of them being the future cornerstone of the franchise. They won’t be a bad team, but I feel like whenever you add so many new players to the mix, it takes a while for the players to get accustomed to one another, especially on such a young team.
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I agree
I think he has the tiers correct, but I’d do some rearranging. Portland won’t finish lower than 9th, but it’ll be tough to finish above any of the “big 8” with all the new additions. They have a chance, but it’ll be tough.
Boomshakalaka
There's no way they are going to regress
Improving by “just” 6-7 games gives them a damn good record of 47-48 wins. I doubt the West will be as tight as it was last season to the point where you have to win 50 games to make the postseason.
And, I think it’s more important that the Blazers win their games in a dominant fashion. Many teams can win a ton of games like the Nuggets or Warriors, but you know based on the style of play they won’t do much in the postseason. If the Blazers only improve by 5-6 games, but show the promise of a dominant defensive team, I think that’s more important that just winning 50 games.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 15, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Hrm.
I don’t think Phoenix is going to play as poorly as you think. Stoudamire just keeps getting better, and I believe he’s going to challenge for the MVP this season while leading Phoenix to a respectable record. It’s not like they have to play the Spurs 82 games.
I don’t believe NO will win more games than either UTA or LAL; because they’re in the toughest division, they will play more games against SA, HOU, and DAL. However, if they can add a Vujacic or Posey, they’re absolutely in the running for the #1 seed.
This could be the year that UTA matures and posts the kind of road record elite teams are supposed to post. Then again, they may not. They’ve only gotten younger, and not neccessarily better in the offseason.
A healthy Bynum will at the very least discourage penetration with his shot blocking ability and rebound at a better rate than Gasol. He will do for LAL what Oden will do for POR, defensively.
I would not be surprised if LAL modify their starting lineup to emphasize length, athleticism, and defense, with Odom at the 1, Kobe at the 2, Ariza at the 3, Gasol at the 4, and Bynum at the 5. In any case, they’ve got an ideal of mix of youth and veterans, a roster of versatile players, and a good coaching staff. I think they’re the favorites in the West.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
The wildcard
for PHX is Nash’s back, IMO. All I know is, if I was a Suns fan, and everytime we got up a significant margin we took out the player that makes our team work to rest his back I would be tearing my hair out. Add a new coach (and potentially a new playing style) and I think that Phoenix wins 5 less games than last year.
No question that the favorite for number 1 (at this moment) is the L*kers. However, there is no way that Phil Jackson starts Odom at the PG slot, this is just ridiculous. Jackson LOVES Fisher’s experience and veteran play. Ariza will be perfect in his role as a defensive specialist off the bench.
That said, good thing we bring our “A” game when we play the fakers cause they are gonna be tooooough….
it's unorthodox
but not unreasonable. Remember Toni Kukoc?
The LAL GM has gone on record saying that playing Odom at guard was an option they’d explore next season. PJ does like Fisher, but he may be more valuable providing some scoring punch off the bench if Vujacic and/or Turiaf sign with other teams. That’s probably Too Much (LAL) Information/useless speculation.
Anyway, it’ll be several months before we know one way or the other.
With all the free agents still unsigned any prediction is likely to be inaccurate. And things only get more complicated if you stop to consider what happens before the trade deadline. The Blazers can use LaFrentz’s expiring contract to net a real difference-maker, and that could translate into anything from sneaking into the playoffs to winning their division.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
I agree Phoenix will only go as far as Nash
can carry them. Last year Nash showed his age in the playoffs. I think the decline of Nash will have a greater impact than the rise of Stoudemire. I expect the west to break into four tiers:
Top tier: LAL, NO, SA, UTH, and HOU
Playoff contenders: Portland, Phoenix, Dallas, and Denver
a possible threat to make playoffs: LAC, SAC, and GS
and Lottery favorites: OKC, MIN, and MEM
Any Team could drop a tier due to injury to a key player. This is why the third tier matters. If there are no significant injuries, then one team in the second tier will be sent into the lottery, but more than likely injuries will decide the difference. I would put the Phoenix as the most likely to missthe playoffs, due to greatest threat of significant injury (either Shaq or Nash due to age).
I would say there are four tiers of teams heading into next season. Outside of the top 3 teams it looks pretty wide open to me. There are question marks about all the other teams heading into the season.
Locks:
Hornets
Lakers
Jazz
Contenders:
Spurs
Rockets
Blazers
Fighting for a place:
Suns
Nuggets
Mavs
Lotto Bound:
Warriors
Kings
Clips
Twolves
OKC
Memphis
Brett Pill - Lord of the double.
I would arrange the lottery teams slightly differently
and I would put Phx at 7 and move Den and Dal down accordingly. Other than that I agree. 6 thru 9 will be close. Even though it is tempting to put teams like Hou and Phx near the 8th seed, it is terribly biased to penalize their faults more strongly than those of the Blazers.
The street lights is on.
This post has some AMAZING homerism
Golf claps all around you guys. Kudos. Good work.
And though I’m late to the party, can I add Batum as the X factor that pushes us back into the WCF?
BLZRS FRVR
oh, are we policing homerism on fan sites now?
Because if so, you’re going to be awfully busy.
I'm just enjoying myself
If there were a homer police force I would probably be locked up myself.
But reading through this post and the comments I couldn’t help but chuckle.
BLZRS FRVR
by nightbluefruit on Jul 15, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Tee Bishop A BZer Homer?
Only after the Cub’s season is over. And this year it that could be in October baby!
Blazers may take some time to gel, but will overpower at a much quicker rate.
Too strong at too many positions despite the youth.
The Oden Era, Day 384
I really think
If Oden is anything comparable to Shaq’s rookie year, then the Blazers will be a top 4 team. Shaq during his rookie year had these stats, Year 92-93 team ORL Games played,81, minutes played 37.9, FG% 0.562 FT% 0.592 Rebounds, 13.9, Asst 1.9 Steals, 0.7 Bp 3.5 Turnovers 3.79 PF 4.00 PTS, 23.4. I can’t honestly see Oden getting as good as stats as Shaq. But, I would think that with his FT% compared to Shaqs, that Oden may be in the high teens and his rebounds being 10+. With the decline that will start happening this year from the older teams, and the movment of players in the west, the Blazers could be a top 4 team.

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