Notes from Shootaround
I had the chance to look in on part of the Blazers' shootaround this morning. Some notes:
--In general the mood seemed upbeat about last night's game with the exception of a few defensive wrinkles and, above all, the turnovers. The effort was there but the execution needed some work.
--The Sacramento scorers will put pressure on Portland's defense tonight. This is worth exploring a little. It's true that you don't need, and can't have, five 20-point scorers on the floor at once. But when a player isn't a threat, or isn't a threat from a certain position on the floor, he makes life easy for the opposing defense. Defense is all about taking control of space away from the offense. Having a weak offensive player on the court frees a defender to occupy more space. The defender now has more choices about where and how to cover and undergoes less pressure when making those decisions. When guarding a legitimate threat the defender has fewer options. Every decision leaves something undone, which puts strain on the decision-maker, causing second-guessing, hesitation, and error. I don't think it's a state secret to say a guy like Sacramento's Spencer Hawes, with his ability to score in the post or take threes, makes life tough for the entire opposing defense (between strategies to cover him and strategies to cover for the holes that coverage leaves). You can only imagine how a player like Kobe Bryant warps the game.
--Speaking of strategies, even at this level these guys are pros. They're being taught...that's quite clear. But the space and time into which those concepts are hammered is quite brief, at least in the shootaround context. You have to be able to see something once and then execute it, including all of the subtleties. Much like a game show it's a lot harder than it looks on TV.
--The guys with international experience are ahead of the game conceptually, at least on defense.
Individual Notes:
--For better or worse, Jerryd Bayless seems pretty intense. Some time with veterans will probably smooth out the rough edges, but that competitive fire will also serve him well on the court.
--Bayless can hit a jumper, but he's really going to be depending on his quickness to free himself first. Granted the jumpers you take in practice are casual, but he still doesn't have the release point to shoot over most NBA players. He'll need to be open or juke and hit on the move.
--Petteri Koponen has a funny, if effective, shooting style. The concerns will be how quickly he can get his jumper off and whether he'll be able to hit on the move.
--The coaches appear to be working with Nicolas Batum and he appears to be absorbing it. Too early to tell if he just needs extra work or if they see something in him. Both probably.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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“Much like a game show it’s a lot harder than it looks on TV.”
ummm . . . OK?
by noaher on Jul 15, 2008 1:01 PM PDT 0 recs
Who should REALLY be getting the looks?
So we all know that even if Bayless (btw who ever thought of B-Rex…) doesn’t wow the staff at SL, he’ll get considerable playing time. I think the real test here is about Petko (yet another great nickname). It isn’t so much about getting someone to fill the final spot. It’s more about his abillity to replace a roster spot in Sergio. See, for KP to fill that last spot with Petko, means that he deems his value greater than the ability for roster flexability i.e. trades, injuries, etc. And for a GM with the aptitude and propensity to pull the trigger on deals where another may not, means he has a whole lot of faith in Petko’s ability to reach his potential under their steadfast watch, therby nullifying Spanish Chocolate’s exotic flavorful flair.
KP said a mouthful to the “O” when he said, ”...see if he improves as the week goes on … and if he does, he has a spot.’’ There it is: it’s Petteri’s for the taking. Whoever said that Sergio would be around for a year to acclimate Rudy and then hit the road, i think hit it dead on IF Petko is there to take his place. So then, the pressure is really on Sergio? If things go as they seem to be (if yesterdays game is any indication, and KP really meant what he said) and Petko continues to improve then it looks to me IMVHO, it’s very possible the Blazer’s will go into the season with count ‘em 4 PGs! And if that’s so, then the playing time will be fought out between Petteri/Sergio NOT Sergio/Bayless…
Again this is all just hypothesis on my amateur end, but I took a huge step back in what I was thinking would happen when Prithard Pritch-slapped me with what he said. Basically that the position is there for the taking if Petteri is willing to do the taking.
Does this mean I have to like Diogu now???
by Ike_o_rama! on Jul 15, 2008 1:24 PM PDT 0 recs
About Sergio
First off I think that we all like the guy and see a lot of potential in him, but if you look at the situation, Sergio has not been good enough to make it onto the court for us and even when he was with Team Spain, he was not able to make the court that much as well. He has averaged about 5-10 mins with both us and Team Spain and in the 2007 Eurobasket finals v Russia, got only 2 mins. Compare that to Rudy’s 24 mins in that same game and averaging about 20 mins for Team Spain, there is a disparity in talent there.
I sometimes wonder what Rudy’s take on the matter is as Rudy has seen what Sergio can bring to the table with Team Spain and has seen how much PT he has gotten at that level of play. I think that if Sergio is traded, Rudy will see that it is in the best interest of the team and of Sergio.
Put it this way, if you worked with a guy who had worse results than you at one company, but he got hired with another bigger better company that you are now about to join, would you feel bad for the company letting him go even though you know that he is not as good as you are? You would feel bad for the person, but the company would be stronger and more successful.
Sergio if a diffucult proposition for me. Like many people here, we have very mixed feelings about him and with this one game in SL form Kopo, he may just be the hot girl that smiled at you while you have to go back to your wife who even though she has her downfalls she really is good for you.
However if Kopo lights up the SL and can kill the next few teams we may be filing for divorce.
by SpyderRyder on
Jul 15, 2008 1:46 PM PDT
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I dont think a by minute comparison
is valid as Rudy and Sergio play different positions and have different players battling with them for minutes. I have no idea who Rudy battles for minutes with, but Sergio had the more experienced Calderon and Lopez in front of him.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on
Jul 15, 2008 1:57 PM PDT
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The same could be said of
Rudy and JC Navarro, yet Rudy got 24 mins to JCNs 17, even though JCN was 27yo and Rudy was 22.
What I am saying is that the talent is not there with Sergio, even on the Spanish team. If the talent was there, he would be better than Calderon and Lopez. You also forget that Rubio is on the team all 19 years of him.
The thing is if Sergio is traded, Rudy should not feel that bad for Sergio because he knows that Sergio is not as talented as other players that we have on the team. Now talent is not everything but Sergio needs to put in a lot of work to get his shot right and his D better and I hope he proves me wrong.
by SpyderRyder on
Jul 15, 2008 2:15 PM PDT
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now your comparison
is between JCN and Rudy but where can you compare Rudy and Sergio directly? In your original post you compared Rudy and Sergio directly by their minutes and I am arguing that this is an apples and oranges comparison and I dont see how your follow up post clears up that misnomer.
BTW my last post was my 1000th on BE. 1000 worthless posts and countless more worthless words.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on
Jul 15, 2008 2:22 PM PDT
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No
my OP was to compare the talent of Sergio compared to the PGs of Team Spain as compared to the talent ot Rudy to the SGs of Team Spain.
In my second sentence above I clearly state what my case is:
“that the talent is not there with Sergio, even on the Spanish team. If the talent was there, he would be better than Calderon and Lopez. You also forget that Rubio is on the team all 19 years of him.”
and only bring Rudy v JCN in because you begin comparing them in the previous post.
I brought in Rudys mins in the OP as a corollary to show that Rudy, compared to the rest of the Spanisn SGs is the best and that even though they do not play the same position, Rudy is better at what he does as compared to Sergio is at what he does.
If Sergio cannot get any playing time on Team Spain and Rudy sees this, why would he expect anything different when he comes here?
You contradict yourself also in saying that Calderon and Lopez are on the team ahead of Sergio due to their experience, but how can Rubio have more experience tha Sergio with him being younger? He doesnt, he is simply more talented, further reinforcing my original propsition that, as from the OP:
“Sergio has not been good enough to make it onto the court for us and even when he was with Team Spain, he was not able to make the court that much”
by SpyderRyder on
Jul 15, 2008 3:04 PM PDT
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So is Segio the new Jack?
Or is there actually merit in this argument?
So Sergio is not playing on what could turn out to be the best team in the world? I know, its more complicated, but when did being on the Olympic team become a requirement for greatness…. I just realized that my Joel Freeland love is now vindicated because he plays for Britain! Sweet, lets make him the PG of the future, he has more credentials than PetKo’s no show!
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on
Jul 15, 2008 3:17 PM PDT
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Petko is Finland's starting PG
And he was their leading scorer when they crushed Britain last year.
by trk on
Jul 15, 2008 6:40 PM PDT
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oops my bad
I didn’t know they had a team.
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on
Jul 15, 2008 6:52 PM PDT
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Only using the term "team" loosely
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on
Jul 15, 2008 11:08 PM PDT
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Maybe it is my mistake
but from your OP
First off I think that we all like the guy and see a lot of potential in him, but if you look at the situation, Sergio has not been good enough to make it onto the court for us and even when he was with Team Spain, he was not able to make the court that much as well. He has averaged about 5-10 mins with both us and Team Spain and in the 2007 Eurobasket finals v Russia, got only 2 mins. Compare that to Rudy’s 24 mins in that same game and averaging about 20 mins for Team Spain, there is a disparity in talent there.
since you only mention 2 players, Sergio and Rudy, I assume that when you say there is a disparity in talent you mean between Sergio and Rudy.
My only point is this. You can not directly compare 2 players who play different poistions and have different players to compete with by their minutes alone.
Also, I dont believe I contradict myself when I say that 2 players with more high level basketball experience, both nba and internationally, are more experienced than another.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on
Jul 15, 2008 3:40 PM PDT
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Don't worry about
Your points are completely valued, some people just get overly excited in their distain to create a good argument…
Apparently, two years of being a labeled a raw player make Sergio’s Olympic no show a tragedy. And Rubio having more high level PT experience on a pro level than Sergio is now a moot point.
And spending the summer with Portland’s shooting coach and having nothing bad to say to Rudy about the Blazers makes him “demanding a trade” believable (stupid Spanish media) :(
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on
Jul 15, 2008 3:56 PM PDT
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Sergio could be this year the sixth PG in Spanish national team.
Calderon, Raul Lopez, Ricky and Víctor Sada are now preparing the Olympics (Sada as guest player). Carlos Cabezas has been the second PG in the last championships. Still i think Sergio has something and one day will explode if he doesn´t surrender.
The Midnight Rambler
by amlmart1 on
Jul 17, 2008 2:47 AM PDT
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Yeah it is hard to say
You’re right in saying he may just be the sexy pick. But that’s just it, he MAY be. We just don’t know yet. Sergio, unfortunately we do pretty much know what we’re getting, and that isn’t the point guard of the future. And Yeah, its gotta be hard for Rudy, especially with how close they are, and with one of the reasons (albeit a small reason) for Rudy coming over was from Sergio’s influence. Again, it comes down to a business, and what’s best for the team. At this point the consensus seems to be at least from an “up-side” viewpoint that Petko is the better pick over Sergio.
Does this mean I have to like Diogu now???
by Ike_o_rama! on
Jul 15, 2008 2:12 PM PDT
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I want a divorce...
Sergio if a diffucult proposition for me. Like many people here, we have very mixed feelings about him and with this one game in SL form Kopo, he may just be the hot girl that smiled at you while you have to go back to your wife who even though she has her downfalls she really is good for you.
"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"
by timbo on
Jul 15, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
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He was never really in love, anyway
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on
Jul 15, 2008 11:09 PM PDT
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Sory Sergio
I have to say I am rooting for Petko and immediately adopting that nickname just so I can avoid having to try to type his name correctly. He dribbles to high and his shot looks a little odd, but after seeing him admirably stay in front of Dee Brown who may not be much, but he is very quick, I’ve seen enough to say this: He is more deserving of minutes that Sergio right now. Sergio can’t shoot, can’t finish and can’t defend. That makes him a huge liability when he is on the court because the other team can play 5 on 4 on both ends and simply play the passing lanes.
by Stumptown1 on
Jul 15, 2008 1:52 PM PDT
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"PetKo": Solid nickname for Petteri Koponen. J-Bay for Bayless
Nice. I second the “PetKo” movement for Petteri’s nickname. ...but would have to go J-Bay for Bayless. “B-Rex” is not working for me.
K*be is a rapist.
by Pritchslap on
Jul 15, 2008 2:02 PM PDT
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No name with a dash in it works while you are trying to type fast...
......................................... Just plain ol’ Rex.
"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"
by timbo on
Jul 15, 2008 2:38 PM PDT
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Cause he looks like he's got those crazy 'lil stumpy ol arms
It’s kinda weird. I mean I was always told that our wingspan is roughly our height. But our Batman should be 7’4” and ol Rex would be like 5’4”! It’s kinda creapy looking.
Good thing he can jump higher than the rim. You see that block/goal tend he made last night?
I swear he did that with his head… he didn’t have a choice.
Does this mean I have to like Diogu now???
by Ike_o_rama! on
Jul 15, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
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Maybe this should get its own nickname finding thread
A few I have heard so far:
RydBay
J-Bay
Rex, B-Rex, Arms
Payless (not good IMHO)
Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...
by Norsktroll on
Jul 15, 2008 6:38 PM PDT
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Batman's Ribs...
With Nicholas back on the court for the shoot around, I am assuming that the bruised ribs from last night’s game are not affecting him too terribly.
Dave, is he going to be in the lineup tonight?
by PtownJake on Jul 15, 2008 1:33 PM PDT 0 recs
Batum is fine
I talked to the trainer after practice, and he said Batum would be ready tonight. Watching practice this morning, I would expect him to start, as he went through plays with the first unit.
by Lance Uppercut on
Jul 15, 2008 2:45 PM PDT
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Great news.
I liked watching Batum out there. I think he floated a little too much on offense, but he did a lot of little things well. He forced a few traveling violations just by making a quick jerk towards some guys and ran very well on the fast break. His wingspan also allowed him to poke at the ball a few times.
If he would score a little more efficiently this next game, it’d be great.
by poster on
Jul 15, 2008 2:49 PM PDT
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Batum O.K.?
Does it appear as if Batum is O.K.? Seems like a rib injury is one of those that can affect a lot of things and not allow the player to demo all his skills. I hope the injury is minor and Batum shows a bit more tonight.
Speaking of demo-ing skills, I hope they allow Koponen to keep running the point so he can show what he can/cannot do. If we’re going to draft point guards, then let’s see what the player can do at his “natural” position. (And I think Bayless is more of a “natural” 2, but he should get some time to show his point guard skills as well.)
Finally, I hope all of the main three guys (Bayless, Batum, and Koponen) get the chance to play and make mistakes without facing irreversible, harsh judgments based on one or two games.
by vcubed on Jul 15, 2008 1:35 PM PDT 0 recs
Keep the ball out of #40's hands...
That guy was horrible. I couldn’t believe how many possesions he wasted jacking up errant threes, among other things.
by feedjockey on Jul 15, 2008 1:50 PM PDT 0 recs
last night
Personally, I thought Bayless showed a lot to be happy about but he was missing a critical attribute. He showed little to no interest or instinct for making his teammates better. I can forgive the lack of assists because the team was bad, but watching him play, it didn’t even look like he was looking for anything but his shot. Some guys have all the talent in the world, but can’t seem to make the players around them better which limits their ability to help the team no matter how much they score (see, e.g. A. Iverson). While others seem to have a natural instinct for making other guys better (see, e.g., Roy….and even Lebron….though he’s slipping some on that). After one game, you can’t really tell anything, but my biggest concern about Bayless wasn’t just that he didn’t get assists or shot too much because neither are his fault really, but that his natural instinct seems to be to score rather than to create.
Maybe though, if you are looking for a bench scorere rather than the PG of the future, that is what you want.
by Stumptown1 on Jul 15, 2008 1:57 PM PDT 0 recs
The coaches told him to score at will.
They were not looking for him to be creator last night. That and every time he passed the ball to post player, they turned it over. From the sound of things that might change in the next couple games.
by ppilot on
Jul 15, 2008 2:05 PM PDT
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Bayless even said
when asked if he sees himself as a combo guard that he says he’s a scoring guard. Isin’t that what Jack fancied himself as??? Check out this interview with him, 1:20 into it he tells you exactly what he thinks of himslef :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiTR09nVjZ0
Does this mean I have to like Diogu now???
by Ike_o_rama! on
Jul 15, 2008 2:06 PM PDT
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Dee I See
a lilltekobe in there?
"There's something in my library to offend everybody" Washington Coalition Against Censorship
by OBJuan72 on
Jul 15, 2008 3:01 PM PDT
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Not the game I saw...
I saw many good passes from Bayless that put players in position to score and at least one assist that was not registered by the scorekeepers. I saw many drives to the hoop and that drew fouls, which are a very high percentage play. I saw very few, low percentage difficult shots.
I think it’s hard to say what Bayless instincts are given that he was usually making the RIGHT PLAY given the situation. Drawing a foul when you are an 80% FT shooter is about as good of play as you can make in basketball… This is especially true since Bayless has not played much with the other guys on the court… and is quite a lot more talented than anyone else out there… and when the guys receiving the pass often just look to pass it back to you. If Bayless had jacked up 30 shots when playing with Oden, Roy, Aldridged and the rest and had shot a low percentage, I might be concerned, but that wasn’t the case.
by PoliSam on
Jul 15, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
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valid points all around
It is too early to tell maybe, but the thing that really jumped out about Roy from the beginning was the way he set people up. The thing that really jumped out about Bayless is the way he attacked every time. Sometimes, that is fine if that is your role, but it is the very thing that makes Outlaw, for example, impossible to start at the 3 with the rest of our team. It is something like the difference between Nash and Iverson to use two extreme examples. When Nash gets 25 and 12 assists chances are his team won and one or more of his teamates have gone off. When Iverson gets the same numbers, chances are he was the only guy over 20. I know there are a lot of other factors and technically AI isn’t a PG, but I’m just trying to make a point about instinct. Maybe Bayless was just following instructions and maybe it was just a one game thing and maybe I should just shut up and be happy we have a guy who can get to the line that often, but as OBJuan says, there may be a little Kobe in him and I’m not sure I mean that in a good way. Not something to worry about now. Just something I’ll be watching for.
by Stumptown1 on
Jul 15, 2008 4:27 PM PDT
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Fair enough
Definitely something to watch, though we will probably have to wait until the regular season to see how Bayless “plays with others.
Whether or not Bayless is a playmaker would be more of a concern ito me if we didn’t already have Roy… or some other 2 guard that sets up other players… or if Bayless was expected to be the best player on a team. If that were the case, I would watch how he affects other players more closely..
by PoliSam on
Jul 15, 2008 6:15 PM PDT
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Sergio vs. PK vs. Roster Spot: False Math
I think the discussion of roster flexibility as a reason for not signing PK is just plain stupid.
If we think PK can contribute at least as well as Sergio as a second backup (I do), he should be on the roster. If a proposed trade/signing later in the year requires creating a vacant roster spot, and the evaluation has already been done that PK/the acquired player(s) is/are better than Sergio, or at least as good (with more upside), than we can either trade Sergio for a folding chair or just cut him to create space.
The idea that keeping an empty roster spot is better than using that spot on a rising guard who is better than at least one player already on the roster makes no sense. Sign PK. If we find someone else better than Sergio to sign/trade for, Sergio is the one to get dumped. Fail to sign PK now, and we could lose him for years.
by blazer91 on Jul 15, 2008 2:06 PM PDT 1 recs
Yes
and KP knows this. I suspect his “we’ll evaluate him and see” mantra is just another one of his smokescreens to put the pressure on Kop to perform. It’s a sound strategy, as usual for the Zen Grand Master of all things Basketball and then some.
We paid $3M just to draft him for a reason. His contract is a foregone conclusion IMO and last night’s performance only put icing on the cake. Yes we also paid for Sergio but the bottom line is that Kop is every bit as talented but a far better fit for Nate’s system and the team’s needs.
We’ll continue to see solid play from Kop for the rest of the week and eventually he will become an impact player for our team in the years to come, if nothing more than as a reliable back-up.
He has a lot to learn but I’m not in the least concerned that he won’t get a fair shot. PA/KP have invested a ton of resources in this kid—way too much to let him slip to the Euroleague indefinitely with nothing in return.
As fatty says, “book it”.
"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"
by broggerboy19 on
Jul 15, 2008 2:19 PM PDT
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Absolutely!
I completely agree that signing PK is that best action… when we know more. I totally trust in KP to do the right thing with all that said still, because even when we see something that might make sense in our mind, usually he’s looking 2 moves ahead anyway. That’s precisely why we are in the predicament of having to choose over too much talent (sob sob) or space to do his wheel’n’deal’n.
Does this mean I have to like Diogu now???
by Ike_o_rama! on
Jul 15, 2008 2:20 PM PDT
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BL91 is completely on the money...
.................................... BTW: are trades for inanimate objects kosher in the NBA? If so, I think KP should hold out for a LazyBoy or something soft. A folding chair is selling the Chocolate Canary short… THIS IS NO TIME FOR PANIC, hold out for a COMFORTABLE chair!
"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"
by timbo on
Jul 15, 2008 2:42 PM PDT
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By rising guard
Are you implying that he will get PT this year (over Bayless and Sergio)? Because I’m not sure that there is even enough to go around as is. If he stays in Europe and comes over 3 years later ready to jump in the rotation that would be better imao… The question for me is wether he would take a pay cut to come over, idk… But is sitting of the bench for a couple years in the best league in the world better than getting PT?
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on
Jul 15, 2008 3:24 PM PDT
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Just a little more thought
Watching PetKo play it seemed to me that he stood out because his skill level was more well rounded than every one else’s on the court, which given that it was summer league, doesn’t say very much about his ability to crack the rotation. Thats like being the hottest person at an engineering fair.
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on
Jul 15, 2008 3:29 PM PDT
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Guys who cant play D
Dont get to play for Nate.It would be nice to keep Sergio long enough to show Rudy where the good Mex food is but Rudy is a pro and not naive about the biz end of things.
I hear that Rudy and PK both speak pretty good english,does any body have a clue about Batmans language skills?
by southern oregon on Jul 15, 2008 2:24 PM PDT 0 recs
I heard him speak to a reporter on the news the other day.
His English was very good. He sounded like he knew the language really well. Besides the strong accent, there weren’t any problems from the 30 seconds I heard.
by poster on
Jul 15, 2008 2:45 PM PDT
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Mexican food?
Perhaps not so much appeal for Rudy & Sergio. Spanish food on the other hand…is there good tapas or paella in PDX? I never had the inclination when I lived there.
by DonkeyShins on
Jul 15, 2008 3:13 PM PDT
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Just kiding
I was once married into a Basque family and if spanish food is any where near as good as that I would love to try it. I guess the point I was trying to make was about the transition to US culture for Euros.I heard that PK did his duty in the Finnish Military and that tends to mature kids fast,he seems mature for his years. Rudy is a grown man and will understand when Sergio has to go. I dont have a read on Batman in this regard but I have been telling KP since day 1 we need a lock down sf and I am high on him
by southern oregon on
Jul 15, 2008 4:22 PM PDT
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Mmmm -- Tapas
One of the best restaurants in town is Toro Bravo, a tapas bar. Let’s take Rudy & Sergio there and get their opinions.
by Corvid on
Jul 15, 2008 5:00 PM PDT
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Inamimate objects
Like Shac and Zack get traded all the time
by southern oregon on Jul 15, 2008 3:07 PM PDT 0 recs
Good one
I was wondering if rhyming had something to do with it, but the first thing to mind was Mac and realizing that T-Mac is not inanimate I discarded that promising thought.
"We will do nice things!" - Rudy, 07/01/08
by jorga on
Jul 15, 2008 4:41 PM PDT
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More shootaround stuff
I’m gonna put in a plug for Casey, as he’s got some interesting shootaround notes too.
by Corvid on Jul 15, 2008 5:05 PM PDT 0 recs







