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Five Rookies on a Playoff Team?

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The hot topic at Blazers Edge since yesterday is Mr. Petteri Koponen. Should the Blazers give him a roster spot this year or should they let him go back to Europe and sign a more lucrative, possibly long term contract with a Euro team?

KP has said that the team is leaning toward signing Batum. If the Blazers sign PK, they will have FIVE rookies on their team this season: Oden, Fernandez, Bayless, Batum, and Koponen.

I am in favor of giving roster spots to both PK and Batum. Batum seems like D League material for the time being, but PK might actually be an important contributor this season.

The Blazers will almost certainly finish the year with more wins than losses, even carrying five rookies. This seems pretty amazing. Does anyone know of another NBA team that has carried five rookies at the same time, with at least four on the active roster? Does anyone know of a SUCCESSFUL NBA team that has carried five rookies at the same time?

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Your point can't be ignored.

How realistic is it to think we can breeze into the playoffs in the ultra-tough Western Conference being handicapped with 5 rookies, with only one of them having any meaningful experience (Rudy). Two of the others had a mere 1 year in college, Kopenhagen played only in a weak league and Batum is just as green.

My playoff expectations are set for the 2009/2010 season, with us making some playoff noise that year. We likely need one more year to develop, develop, develop.

Also, here is a question I presented earlier to Mortimer: Can you name one player at the PG position who entered the NBA after one year in college who made a significant contribution during his rookie year? Point guard is supposed to be the hardest NBA position to learn, especially for one as inexperienced as Bayless.

by TwoDeep on Jul 15, 2008 10:12 AM PDT   0 recs

one word... no... two

roy…. oden

‘nuff said

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 10:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not quite enough said, in my opinion.

Roy tried to do it by himself second half of last year and he wore down. Oden is an untested rook with 1 1/2 knees. I think you’ll have to say a little bit more to prove your point.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on Jul 15, 2008 10:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks for having my back

I’ll toss in a bayless and rudy too.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 10:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh... and in honor of ann
25

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 11:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Heck

Martell, Blake and Joel aren’t chopped liver, either. We’ve lost both JJs for next season, but gained Bayless, Oden (crosses fingers) and Rudy. Throw PK and Batum into the mix and we’re fine. If worse comes to worse and we need another vet, we could trade Sergio and RLEC – although that would have to be the nuclear option.

by DonkeyShins on Jul 15, 2008 1:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, crud

I forgot the Buffet! He’s a vet, too.

by DonkeyShins on Jul 15, 2008 3:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dude, Aldridge was there last year too

But thanks for being the cute one.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on Jul 15, 2008 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know I was being flip

here’s the thing:

I’m hearing, not just from media, that Greg Oden is going to be a player that will blow people away. If he needed development, he’d be in the summer league to develop. The kid has been cleared to play since before the season ended.

There is unreal quiet excitement about this guy. We are going to dominate that center position against every team we play against with the exception of… Houston if Yao is healthy (not betting on it with the olympics). I think they are quiet about him because they want to let him do the talking instead of telling us. We’ll see within ten games if I’m right.

I added Roy not because of his scoring but because of his direction and leadership. He’ll help the team gel again and get everyone onto the same page and direct the team on the floor. They won’t be just a bunch of young players not knowing what to do because Roy will be leading, guiding, and molding them.

With Oden alone, we might not go far, but with Roy to help Nate mold this team, we again somewhat exceed expectations that don’t have us making the playoffs. Rather, we have a chance.

My stance isn’t whether we do or do not make the playoffs, it’s “does 48 wins make the playoffs?”

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 11:01 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

I think Oden is going to be a special player

But it’s not a given. I’m just tired of people who respond to the inevitable “we may not make the playoffs” post by responding that Oden is here and everyone should just be quiet about it. It’s not a done deal.

Worrying about him doesn’t mean you’re not excited. It’s just means you’re a cynic. And since we’re from Portland cynicism is in our blood. We should embrace it, not scare it away with totalitarian proclamations of greatness.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on Jul 15, 2008 11:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Or I could dance a merry jig

and purchase tickets to portland today for the finals…

I get your point and I understand. Based on information I have, I’m sticking with “Oden is going to drop jaws” and “we get 48 wins”.

My predictions have been pretty accurate. Two years ago I was dead on and this year I was one off. I believe I predicted 42 wins.

That said, I feel that 48 is on the reserved side of wins and I won’t be completely disappointed if we’re about 42 wins the team WILL still be learning and gelling.

I don’t disagree with you but I do think that Oden is going to surprise and that Roy will help milk this team for all it’s worth.

I look forward to seeing how it all unfolds.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 11:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Silver lining

And, if we don’t make the playoffs, then we always have another chance at KP working draft-day magic.

by DonkeyShins on Jul 15, 2008 1:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

really...

that’s just very unfair to the rest of the league.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 3:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Now get me my Blazervision COINCAST !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jul 15, 2008 3:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Marbury

wasnt that dude one and done

he had good rookie numbers

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jul 15, 2008 10:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What about Telfair?

NONE and done, and we all remember one thing about him: KID. COULD. BALL.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on Jul 15, 2008 10:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Joke....

this has to be a joke right?

Gimmicks don't make dynasties

by WarEaglePDX on Jul 15, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

wheeeew

You scared me there for a sec. I needed that to be a joke.

Gimmicks don't make dynasties

by WarEaglePDX on Jul 15, 2008 5:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

WHAT!!!!!!

Come on, man, Telfair could get into the lane against ANYBODY. And then….. ummmm, then…..you know he would, ummmm….. oh yeah.

Nevermind.

My ignorance is my greatest weapon

by shenanigans on Jul 15, 2008 6:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

another point

the west is getting weaker. Golden state is no longer a contender and the clips just dropped a few notches without brand. They had some other young talent, but I don’t see them making a big playoff run either.

less than 50 wins could clinch it for us.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

Also, the Spurs are another year older, the Suns are another year older (See: Steve Nash’s back). The Mavericks looked like poop in the playoffs with Jason Kidd. The Rockets likely do NOT have another 22-game win streak in them, the Nuggets are as one-sided as ever.

I think there is NO WAY that the western conference is as competitive (at least in terms of win-loss record) as it was last year.

by joelor on Jul 15, 2008 1:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a good question

I can’t think of ANY point guard taken after his freshman year, good or bad even.

Does this mean Bayless’ accomplishments as a freshman combo guard are even more impressive? Is he a true Trail Blazer for frosh PGs going in the lottery?

I really don’t know what it means, and I gotta just go by what I see from the kid: he’s aggressive, strong for a rookie (let alone a 19 year old), and handled the ball well in college. I can’t judge the positives or negatives of him being only a freshman, because I can’t think of any good or bad examples of what Bayless has done.

Since Freshman PGs usually aren’t very good, I could see how this reflects upon Bayless positively, but we all have to temper our expectations because we don’t have a precedent to base our positivity on.

I DO BELIEVE, however, that being so good as a freshman, and playing PG along with being the main scorer (yeah, the Nic Wise dude was the technical PG, but Bayless was the ballhandler), is a good sign all around. He’s young, strong, has a good head on his shoulders, and Nate and KP seem to really like him.

I know I like what I see from the kid, but I don’t think he’ll be a starter right away or anything like that. He’ll have a lot of tough nights, especially learning the NBA point guard role alongside Brandon Roy. But, his youth, attitude, and what he did in the very tough Pac-10 are all good signs to me that say being a One n’ Done won’t matter as much.

I still say he’ll play waaaaay ahead of Sergio. Judging from one game in Summer League and his Arizona clips, he pushes the tempo even faster than Sergio does and he can really fly. He is known as a great jumpshooter, but he didn’t even hit ONE shot from the perimeter yet still scored 28 based on his quickness and FTs. That’s pretty good. Once his shot comes back, how do you play him?

Before I can confidently know what his future is like, I need to see him distribute a lil’ more, but that is tough with the lack of talent. Sergio didn’t play half as well in the entire Summer League last year than Bayless did in one game, so I think he’s off to a good start.

Summer League is made for the Bayless’ of the world—super quick, athletic, and can handle the ball. However, the stuff he was doing will translate I think.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 15, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I posted this above

but I think Marbury was a one and done, and before he went crazy he could really ball

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jul 15, 2008 12:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Mike Conley Jr.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 15, 2008 3:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

BINGO

Thank you!

I know Marbury was heralded and reknowned and a numba’ piler early on, but he was also known as a head case then too, so I was hoping SOMEONE came out as a Frosh and I couldn’t even think of a BAD example, let alone a GOOD one.

Conley is way too young to know either way, but he did well when he was healthy and he played.

Thanks for throwing those two names out, Rockingharder and Jonestr, cause it was hurting my brain remembering who else came out as a Frosh.

Is there anyone else who did what Bayless did and come out after his frosh year to play PG, for better or worse? Even warning stories is good, cause you’d think SOMEONE came out and bombed/got hurt. What year was Jay Williams?

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 15, 2008 5:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not exactly a freshman but

Monta Ellis came strait out of high school and had a pretty good rookie season (he became a starter near the end of the season). I think it is easier for scorers like Ellis and Bayless to have an immediate impact than it is for distributes, you need more experience to run a team effectively than you need to just put the ball in the hoop.

by trk on Jul 15, 2008 10:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rudy isn't exactly a rookie

he has played some major level talent in Europe. and Oden has had a year off to think about how he will dominate the league. still even 4 rookies on a playoff team is a lot

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jul 15, 2008 10:19 AM PDT   0 recs

agreed on all accounts

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 10:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hater

Go back to PAE. Yes the post is quite a bit off. There will be only 4 rookies one of Batum or KP will get signed, not both. But to ignore the fact that the only pieces not to remain from last year are Jack and JJ shows you’re a hater. The absence of jack makes room at the guard position with Rudy coming in. Not to mention Bayless has all of jacks strengths (penetration, but can hit Outlaw/Webster in the corner), Freethrow %, fast break (w/out as many turnovers), throw Oden in the mix and you have a playoff team.

GO BACK TO PAE

by keepfryealive on Jul 15, 2008 10:40 AM PDT   0 recs

not really

we DO lose veteran experience with the loss of the JJs. I think Jones will have the greatest impact and we might underperform to some people’s expectations because of that. I dropped my personal prediction from 50 down to 48 because of that veteran loss. We’ll see if we make the play-offs with that win record.

As for the rookies, we’ll be signing Batum. He wants to be here and he’s a first rounder. PetKo may sign or may not. He’s really the question mark. We have four rookies with a potential fifth.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 10:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i've always liked the band wagon

lovely music and a pleasant, if slightly bumpy, ride.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 11:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I'm a Blazer hater all right.

I’ve been an avid Blazer fan since their inception in ‘70 and stayed with them rooting hard all through our jailblazer years. I’m simply trying to keep a realistic perspective on this season’s prospects for such an exceptionally young team.

BTW, what are your credentials that make it OK for you to call a couple of us fans haters? First year Blazer fan perhaps? Or a better guess is that you jumped aboard when Oden was drafted last year.

by TwoDeep on Jul 15, 2008 2:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow.

Not to quote commercials but, are people REALLY “questioning fanhood?” I thought we were above baseless accusations of bandwagoning.

by joelor on Jul 15, 2008 2:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you, two

I, too, have been a fan from Blazer beginning, and appreciate your above comment. Who could hate the Billy Rays and JRs, right down the Hummer line to Zack. Feel frustration, sympathy, but not hate

Cave Canem!

by Caveowl on Jul 15, 2008 3:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

5 Rooks

I hope Nate puts them all in at the same time and calls some random play that none of them know.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Jul 15, 2008 10:43 AM PDT   0 recs

In German,

So as to pick a European language not native to any of them.

My ignorance is my greatest weapon

by shenanigans on Jul 15, 2008 6:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wonder if anyone knows that Batum already signed...?

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 15, 2008 10:51 AM PDT   0 recs

bah...

details :)

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 10:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

KP signed him b/c he loves me :)

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 15, 2008 10:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

KP taps into untapped fan territory

Meh NJ and Rockets, anybody can sign a Chinese player to attract more Chinese viewers. But to sign an attractive French player to attract female viewers – and attractive ones to boost – that’s brilliance since there are more women (even non-Chinese women) than Chinese. Get this, marketing geniuses ;-)

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 15, 2008 10:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

we sign attractive players

to make up for grandpa oden.

Although… if you have a body like his… looks matter a little less me thinks.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually...

We DO have an attractive team… one might wonder if there’s a third quality that KP looks for. Maybe marketing told him it’d be good for business if we could get the ladies swooning?

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 11:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey now, i was a fan when I was still a tomboy

now that ive discovered the many advantages of effortless femininity bein a Blazer fan just raises my stock and makes me wayyyy more valuable… ;-)

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 15, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

clearly just more evidence that KP is a total G

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 15, 2008 11:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Mike Barrett's blog today notes the Blazers have TWO open roster spots, which means he didn't...

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 15, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

.................................. Batman didn't sign yet, that is.

........................................................................ At least that’s the way I read it.

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 15, 2008 11:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I love singing the batman theme

whenever he touched the ball.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 11:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes he DID!

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 15, 2008 11:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Five rookies

I’d love to see some stats on this. I suspect that this is not a normal occurrence, particularly when one of them is a starter and two will see 15 or more minutes of playing time.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 15, 2008 10:52 AM PDT   0 recs

the hope is that...

Rudy and Oden won’t be typical rookies- that they’ll be ready to help on day 1. Bayless will be a typical rookie- he’ll need some time, but I think he’ll be a good typical rookie.

This is what I’ve been saying though- having 3 rooks in your rotation does not bode well for a playoff run in the West. Rudy, Greg and T-Rex are going to have to learn very quickly for us to avoid falling in an early hole.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 15, 2008 11:17 AM PDT   0 recs

Three points

(1) I read recently that NBA teams that add a major-impact rookie like GO average 11 more wins his first season. I think we can reasonably expect GO to improve the team by close to that number.

(2) The loss of Jones and Jack is offset by the additional experience gained by the returning players.

(3) Even with five rookies on the team, that leaves nine or ten players with one or more years of NBA experience. Except for GO, none of the rookies are likely to get more than 20 minutes playing time per game, so they’ll have limited chances to negatively affect the outcome of games. Nate will play his most experienced players the most.

"I woke up this morning, Barbosa and eggs in my bed." --BlueBooYay

by MiledAnimal on Jul 15, 2008 11:19 AM PDT   0 recs

the 11 win improvement stat...

... was for teams who get the #1 pick. We improved 9 wins, despite our pick being injured. What’s unclear is weather that 11 win average improvement is due mostly to the player or mostly to the team being so bad the previous year (ie bad enough to get the #1 pick). Its also unclear if the 11 win stat has any validity if the pick sits out a year.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 15, 2008 11:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey, PAE's comments are gone!

I was wondering when Dave would lower the boom.

"I woke up this morning, Barbosa and eggs in my bed." --BlueBooYay

by MiledAnimal on Jul 15, 2008 11:45 AM PDT   0 recs

Technically, it may have happened at a least twice

First year of the NBA - and it was called something different, can’t remember what - all the teams were stocked with rookies. And if there were playoffs - again, don’t know - there must’ve been at least two all-rookie teams facing each other.

"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"

These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.

by CatMan2 on Jul 15, 2008 11:53 AM PDT   0 recs

Inaugural season?

I think that’s the term they used.

by DonkeyShins on Jul 15, 2008 3:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, I mean the NBA was called something else

"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"

These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.

by CatMan2 on Jul 15, 2008 3:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"WINDOW"

Repeat after me: “Window!”

KP is aiming this franchise at a window of opportunity. Yes, we have the talent to compete NOW. BEdgers know that we don’t sell the future to cash in a few extra wins next year. But KP is looking at a decade of Blazer domination!

Realistically, it’d be a miracle for Portland to win the NBA title this season. We need a year of Oden and frankly of Rudy to figure out “who we are, and what we can be”. (The Trail Hoosiers?) This season is going to be up and down. For me, it’ll be a true joy. Hey, if we win it all, I will take it! In ‘09-10, I really would be surprised if these guys don’t dominate most opponents.

Nate wants to win now, and has raised the idea of getting a veteran in here. And I agree with posters who say we will really miss Jones. But more for his deadeye 3s than for his veteran leadership and decent all-around game. While we do need outside shooting, it is becoming less a liability with the growth of our existing talent. If we can maintain our future, sure let’s bring someone in. As long as they don’t stunt the growth of our more promising talent.

The take away lesson is: “Window!”

'77

by LaoTzu on Jul 15, 2008 12:31 PM PDT   1 recs

swwwwweeeeeeeet

+100

WEPDX = Blazers Edge Trendsetter.

Gimmicks don't make dynasties

by WarEaglePDX on Jul 15, 2008 5:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thoughts

Portland won 41 games with a young squad. This year, the squad is a year older. The loss is Jones, who, let’s not forget, sat out 26 games or 1/3 of the season. The other loss is Jack. To offset Jack, we need 10 pts and 4 assists from Fernandez and Bayless – or, we play Blake more, whose production per minute makes up for some of that as well. The wild card is Oden. Even if the rest was still worth 41 games, he’s worth another 7. After all, it won’t be Frye and LaFrentz taking almost 1/2 the minutes at center with Pryz like last year – it will be Oden – and that is clearly an improvement. At the same time, KP said that Bayless will figure it out within 40 games. One clear role he will bring, is to take it to the bucket and he does that as well as Jack. The other thing to keep in mind is that Fernandez is a very good three point shooter, and is no 19 year old. He’ll be productive faster than some think. Fernandez has 7 years of ball in a league that is equivalent to some of our better college programs. He is, in that sense, a full senior, not some Freshman.

by Eben Calder on Jul 15, 2008 1:12 PM PDT   2 recs

concise and to the point well said

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 15, 2008 1:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You forgot

Bayless and Fernandez also have to offset Jack’s turnovers.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 16, 2008 12:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think PK makes the squad btw

I also think it’s likely that PK and Batman. spend more time in the Boise than T.Green and McDonalds did since the squad will not be carrying two incapacitated bodies this year and JJ with his gimpy knee. Nate likes to keep bodies around for practice but won’t need the 14th and 15th bodies as much as he needed the 12th and 13th.

by mrwonderfulone on Jul 15, 2008 10:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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