Lute Olsen's Broken Heart
That Jerryd Bayless sure is a heartbreaker. Peep the ESPN article, where his college coach (not really but kind of), the University of Arizona's Lute Olsen expresses his heartfelt sadness at being stood up at the alter by the one and done Jay Bay Bay.
The money quote:
"Jerryd said all along he wanted to stay here two years," Olson told the Times. "But then you get the agents working on the kids and parents all year. You might have the kid in your controlled environment for some time, but when [outsiders are] on the parents, you have no idea what's going on."
Olson, who led Arizona to a national championship in 1997 and took the 2007-08 season off as he was amid divorce proceedings, called the situation with one-year players a "farce." He told the Times he planned to use his position as a member of the National Association of Basketball Coaches to seek reform.
"We said at the time it'd be a disaster, that agents would be swarming all over -- not only over these kids, but their parents -- telling them the kid needed to score a ton of points in the one year and get out," Olson said of the time after the 2005 season when the NBA and the players' union agreed to implement the rules. "I'm not saying that's the case in every situation, but you've already seen the danger. What we predicted is happening. This is agent-driven, and it's a horrible rule."
Of course, Jerryd isn't the sole cause of Lute's angst; age might be a factor too (kidding).
The powder keg for Lute's outburst seems to be the recent struggle of Young Money Brandon Jennings, who is foregoing his freshman season at UA to head across the pond to play professionally in Europe.
Launch yourself across the SB Nation pond to Addicted to Quack to read Duck Dave's interesting take on that situation.
ESPN's Jemele Hill also has a cautionary look at Young Money's future that is well worth your time.
As for me, I say more power to Mr. Jennings. Maybe he will meet a nice, young European girl and fall in love. You didn't consider that part, did you?
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I agree with Lute...
the whole situation is a farce. The NBA and NCAA are in this together to try and make both places money. Meanwhile, kids like Brandon Jennings that come up in a hard environment and have the talent to be lottery picks straight out of high school are being forced to go to college while their families continue to live in horrible situations. I hope more of the top talent high schoolers take this route, sticking it to David Stern. Now, I’m not in favor of all high schoolers coming out early, but maybe a board of several GMs, talent scouts, etc, could find the top five players of the incoming HS class (or players that would be a lock for the top 15-20) and give them the option of declaring.
by lefty6283 on Jul 11, 2008 7:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
UofA is the Blazers official Bay Bay mama!
Thanks for being of “service”!
(I agree with posters who say that Lute has not reason to complain, signing the kid and walking out. And Lute, if you are “scoring” this at home, being our BayBay mama makes you our b*tch.)
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by LaoTzu on Jul 14, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've read Lute saying similar stuff
And I think it’s pretty damn selfish of him to expect a kid to not fulfill his dream of entering the NBA, as a high lottery pick no less, and to hold off for an entire risky season just to make ol’ Lute Olson happy.
I dunno why Lute took a year off (I’m sure it was a good reason), but I bet Jerryd didn’t like that either.
Good players go to college to learn more baskie-ball and to get drafted into the NBA. Playing in college is nice, but under no circumstances should a player be expected to hold off on their DREAM to play a superfluous year of college basketball when they are ready for the pros.
College coaches should be aware enough of their situation to realize they are just a transitory stopping point for the best players. None of them play in college as their end destination, and only wanna stay as long as they have to.
Jerryd mighta’ figured he’d take two years to be NBA ready, but clearly seeing how scouts and experts considered him a high lottery pick, he didn’t need to wait another year.
We’ll see if he truly is ready, but Lute shouldn’t begrudge a kid fulfilling his dream. Why the hell does he think good players go to Arizona? To get drafted, of course.
Full disclosure: I don’t care about college sports. And if I’m a player with my eye on the NBA, I still care about my team and the time I am in college but not at the sake of my NBA career. That’s selfish talk to try to make a kid feel like he made a mistake or lied to him, when he’s just doing what he is supposed to do.
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by Mortimer on Jul 11, 2008 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I also don't see that this applies directly to Jerryd
I’m sure he was lured to Arizona with promises of learning from Lute and being a central piece of his high-powered team. Then Lute’s not there, and Arizona had a rough season. I don’t know that Jerryd’s time at Arizona helped his draft stock much. I don’t think you can blame Olson for taking time off related to marriage stuff, but you also can’t blame Jerryd for deciding (based on his season) that college ball isn’t worth sticking around for another year.
by Montavilla Steve on Jul 11, 2008 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
more kids should head to Europe
Until the NCAA and the NBA get their act together and start paying college students or develop a true farm system like baseball has there is no reason for draft-worthy talent to play in the United States.
The farce of the “scholar” athlete getting an education shouldn’t continue. The colleges make millions off of these kids, the NBA GM’s don’t have to gamble on immature talent and the kids get screwed. If more kids start disappearing from the college programs, eventually the NBA will have to change. But it’s going to come from the GM’s bitching about having to fight with European leagues for talent, rather than any reform from the NCAA or NBA..
by boppitywop on Jul 11, 2008 8:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jennings
has changed the whole paradigm. I have an 18 year old son who just graduated, and if he was a baller and wasn’t serious about college I would encourage him to go to Europe. Why not? It’s simple economics, and it’s seeing the world (think Navy commercial). The system is broken, as well as the rookie pay scale. NBA, watch out, you may start losing your best young talent to Europe – not for just one year, but 3-5 years. Don’t get caught with your britches down…..
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by johnv59 on Jul 11, 2008 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
but then again...
Maybe the NBA’s big master plan (think Dr. Evil laugh here from Austin Powers) is to use the Euro’s as a minor league and let kids right out of high school go over there for 3 years or so before coming into the NBA. That would serve them perfectly, seriously. We already do that with the Euro’s we draft (Pet, Joel F, etc.). Like I said before, the Blazers should just buy their own Euro team and use it as a minor league team, with zero call up costs…..
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by johnv59 on Jul 11, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This may be worth a PA investment
This seems to have a lot better options then a “Development League” Team.
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by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 11, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
It would be worth some SPAM (Spend Paul Allen’s Money), but actually would be a good investment.
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by johnv59 on Jul 11, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NBA should follow the NFL's lead
and have student-athletes play for three years. I general, I think this is the best scenario because: the players have more time to mature both on and off the court while also giving providing the opportunity of being a year or less (in credits) away from completing a degree, NBA teams have more time to assess the players which will only better teams in the long-run IMO, it creates a player-structure for college teams that feels less like a rotating door for everyone involved, and it allows most players to be roughly 21 by the time they enter the league (that age just makes since to me for some reason.
How such a rule would be applied to European’s, I dunno. But I’m sure there are great ideas for that. One other additional idea that a friend presented to this is that you give players coming out of high school the chance to enter the draft, but if not chosen, such players cannot reenter the draft for another five years. Maybe a good idea, maybe not, but I’m sticking with my three year rule at least
by Blindsteepler on Jul 11, 2008 8:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand
Football is an entirely different kind of animal than hoops, there’s an actual physical reason to keep most players in college or make them wait until they are 21 and that is because a physically immature player thrown into a game situation with 300+ pound grown men would killed—and I don’t mean that euphemistically.
On the other hand it’s an even bigger farce to suggest that it takes a college education to play basketball (or football). Granted that’s where one of the highest levels of competition is, and it gives young players a chance to play on a big stage and gain some notoriety, but the current rules are only in place to serve the monetary interests of the NCAA.
For me it comes down to this. If you are old enough to fight and die in a war or vote in elections, you should be able to earn a living how ever you see fit, and your abilities will allow.
by nikolokolus on Jul 12, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
If you are old enough to go off to war then you should be able to play in the NBA, period.
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by johnv59 on Jul 12, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I needed a college degree for my job
I don’t see anything wrong with employers requiring applicants to have certain skills, education, or maturity before they hire them.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 12, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Roy almost didn't play in the NBA because he couldn't pass the SAT
due to a learning disability.
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by annthefan on Jul 12, 2008 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
If he ever gets off his butt and starts that foundation he’s been talking about, we’ll never have that problem again. Some folks act like there is a constitutional right to work in the NBA when someone turns 18.
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by tominhawaii on Jul 14, 2008 5:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was 18, I would love to move to Europe.
Actually, I’d love to move to Europe now too, if it wasn’t so expensive.
by pualo on Jul 11, 2008 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
Thoughts:
1.) If the coach that you specifically went to a school to learn from vanished for your first year, would you really go back for a second year? I wouldn’t. I doubt it was solely the coaches that influenced bayless. I believe the situation his coach put him in by leaving also influenced that decision.
2.) The more restrictions that the NBA puts on the players, the more likely they are to head over to europe. Eventually the NBA will be irrelevant if it can’t maintain the best talent pool and it can’t compete with the pay of euroleagues.
3.) If a kid has the talent to play, then let him play. If teams are stupid enough to draft players without talent, then they deserve what they get. If the kid has the talent, he deserves to get payed.
4.) Letting players who aren’t ready come into the league without development isn’t going to be a good thing for teams. There really should be a developmental league that teams can control.
/thoughts
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by ratbastird on Jul 11, 2008 10:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont really care about lute olsen...
what an a-hole. trying to put preemptive blame on jarryd bayless for the immaculately bad year the wildcats are about to have.
Its one thing if the coach is actually around for the season the player plays before deciding to forgo his ncaa eligibility. But it is quite another thing when the coach bails to get divorced.
I cant speak for all high school basketball players, but it is my contention that the coach at the university plays a big part in the decision making process.
I would estimate that agents played about a 25% role in JB going pro, and the other 75% was the god-awful season he had to endure due to the lack of the coach who recruited him.
shut your mouth olsen
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 11, 2008 10:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Lute is a complete arse for burying JB in this fashion. C’mon, Bayless is a smart kid and he comes from a solid and affluent family, stop making it sound like he got manipulated, like he’s some desperate kid off the street. I don’t want to play the racist card because people jump to that way too quickly nowadays… let’s just say it was a very stupid and classless thing to say and leave it at that.
Go away Lute, your act is wearing thin.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 12, 2008 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jemele Hill = Hack
Don’t mention that quack Jemele Hill. She’s one of the 5 worst sports writers I’ve ever read. She recently compared rooting for the Celtics to rooting for Hitler. Don’t even bring a garbage article of hers up again.
by as11osu on Jul 12, 2008 1:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agree to disagree
the celtics comment was out of line and she acknowledges that.
she is not a hack by any means.
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by Ben. on Jul 12, 2008 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Lute
He made a mess of his personal life so he couldn’t do his job. He takes a year off because of the difficulties he experienced as a result of broken marriage vows, and thus broke his word to Bayless that he would coach him in a certain way.
And now he’s upset because Bayless has broken his word? Sorry, Lute, you didn’t keep up your end of the bargain. Jerryd owes you nothing.
I don’t like players breaking their word, but Lute broke his end of the agreement first.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jul 12, 2008 5:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Indentured Servants
In the real world, only 1 out of 5 kids who start high school go on to college. If athletes have the same interest in college as the rest of their class-mates, it follows that only 1 out of 5 would actually go to college if given the option. Baseball has always understood this, which is why they have a comprehensive farm system called the minor leagues. Football and Basketball, however, have never wanted to set up a farm system, so they try to use the colleges and then force kids to go to college who wouldn’t normally be there. This, in turn, creates all the problems we routinely see. We pretend that a poor kid who takes money or comps his parents into some games, is “corrupt”. My, my. Everyone else takes money in this country – it’s the norm. But not if you are so unfortunate as to actually have some athletic talent. Then it’s “not legal”. It’s the system that’s corrupt – not the kids. The NCAA uses these kids, just like the NBA and the NFL use them. This entire bureaucracy and its mind-bending rules are designed to benefit everyone but the athlete. But boy, do we make them responsible. Mayo was the latest one who the self-righteous types landed on over the “character” issue. But that issue would never arise if if wasn’t for the absurd system and its rules. The NBA and the NFL want a free farm system, and the NCAA wants the revenues, and they then manipulate the kids – who make it all possible – to get what they want. And this means – don’t pay the athletes. Anything but that. If these groups were ethical, they’d admit that the colleges are a farm system, and they’d pay the kids to be there. But, of course, they don’t.
The kid going to Europe has it exactly right. “Screw” this system. He’s one of the 8 of10 kids who start high school who came out of high school with a money making skill – and the NBA, NFL and the NCAA have conspired to prevent him from making that money. We wouldn’t dream of doing that with everyone else – but we let them get away with it in sports.
The good news is that the kid, and maybe kids, that take off for Europe are basically telling these hypocrits what to do with their system.
So, I’m glad to see Lute so self righteously upset, and I’m even happier that the NCAA and the NBA are getting their silly rules shoved down their throats.
This is America. We don’t have indentured servants over here – but we do it sports.
by Eben Calder on Jul 12, 2008 6:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your point
but I think the numbers are a little off.
I believe that nearly 30% of Americans over 25 have college degrees now (and rising) and many more attend and then drop out. But your point, that most of these kids would never go if the NBA didn’t require it, is well taken. And they certainly aren’t served by a system that lets them attend college and learn nothing. Even Channing Frye, who seems on the smart and academic side of NBA players, was quoted once as saying he spent 30 minutes a night on homework in college. Yikes!
by Section323 on Jul 13, 2008 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What they should do
is allow high school kids to declare for the draft, but if they aren’t drafted in the top ten, they are dropped out of it and can go to college.
Allow freshmen to declare for the draft, but if they aren’t drafted in the top twenty, they are dropped out of the draft and can still play in college.
That way, the guys who really are ready can go right to the NBA, but if they were fed a line by an agent and the GMs don’t think they are a top ten talent, they can go to school. If a freshmen comes out but isn’t really ready, he’ll learn the hard way by not being picked.
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by jscot on Jul 12, 2008 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What happens for the teams who do draft them?
Say Portland is at 13 and takes someone there…and then the kid decides to go back to school….what then? Who has the rights? Do the Blazers get another pick?
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by 92wastheyear on Jul 12, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not what I proposed
If high schoolers are drafted in the top ten, they won’t be eligible for college. If they aren’t, their name goes out of the draft after pick #10, and they are eligible.
If freshmen declare and are drafted in the top 20, they lose college eligibility. If they aren’t drafted in the top 20, they are no longer in the draft, and they keep their eligibility.
You could change the cutoff to 10 and 30, or whatever. It would require an agreement between the NBA and the NCAA. But it could work pretty well.
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by jscot on Jul 13, 2008 2:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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