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Kevin's Magic!!

     When has there been a GM in this league get so much with so little. He started 3 yrs. ago with very little trade value, an over inflated payroll and few draft choices, and now has a roster full of great player with good character,both on the team and in unsigned draft choices, plus has added more future draft choices.    Nate should be able to have some fun with this roster and create match-up nightmares for almost any team in the league.

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KP's worst trade:

Dixon for Fred Jones.

When that is your worst move, my friends, you are doing pretty well.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 11, 2008 10:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I liked that move

Mainly because I HATED Juan Dixon and every minute he was out on the floor.

Jones was a serviceable semi-PG who was a lot better passer than I expected. I agree, if this is your worst move, it’s cool yo.

And luck would have it, Isiah still loved Fred from their Indy days, and we got our trade exception easily enough. Things seem to work out with KP at the helm! Luck and skill go hand in hand with the guy.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 11, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

trading Fred Jones was a raw deal for him

as I mis-remember by trading Jones he was unable to secure as many millions as he could had the PTB kept him. I remember hearing this story once so it must be true as sure as I saw it on tv.

"Meow" --- My cat Bonzi on whether or not Travis Outlaw is a core member of the PTB.

by bow4meow on Jul 11, 2008 4:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes'm and No'm

Fred Jones had to knock a year off his contract to be able to get traded to the Blazers, so he lost out on that guaranteed year of money to play for us, but trading him HELPED him in the long run, if ya asks me, because he would have gotten nearly ZERO minutes on our team this past season.

He was forced to play PG for the 2nd unit over Sergio sometimes, during his half season with us. With the Blake signing, the health of Roy, Jack as the backup, Martell and Trout and Jones doing okay, there would MAYBE be a few scraps for Jonesie. Even then, I’d rather Sergio gets those, even if I don’t think Sergio is better than Fred Jones (it’d be development minutes of course).

So, KP trades Jones, he gets to play for the Knicks and get a lot more playing time to show he is still a decent player. He coulda’ sat on our bench and after two sub-par seasons for the slam dunk champ he could be looking at playing in Europe or for peanuts in the NBA. He’s better than that, but needs to be on a team not stacked at the guard spot (and I wouldn’t necessarily call us STACKED last year, but we had plenty of decent-to-good players in front of Jones.)

It was a raw deal that he had to cut a year of guaranteed cash, but it will likely work out for him since Isiah loved him in Indiana and New York, and Donnie Walsh always liked him as well. Walsh would likely keep Jones and re-sign him for decent cash, as he isn’t a bad PG in a pinch and is an athletic player who could really fit D’Antoni’s style.

On the surface, we screwed Jones. In the long run though, he got put in a “better” situation (for his career, anyways).

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 11, 2008 4:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

see thats why I keep you around

you always provide quality feedback

"Meow" --- My cat Bonzi on whether or not Travis Outlaw is a core member of the PTB.

by bow4meow on Jul 11, 2008 4:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dixon wanted out, as I recall

plus, KP turned Freddie into half of Rudy. Lemons into lemonade and all that.

by abdelnaby on Jul 11, 2008 11:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

sometimes

the issues you don’t see or hear about help dictate certain moves.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 11, 2008 1:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Very nicely done. This deserves it's on thread.

I am the master of my fate, I am the Captain of my soul. - Charles Wesley

by Earl on Jul 11, 2008 10:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

True...

But in all fairness to the creator of this post, I think it would be safe to say we could threadjack this one and analyze all of KP’s moves over the past 3 years (3 drafts at least)...

My favorite is obviously the Roy-for-Foye deal, because, in hindsight, that was the first indication we had an aggressive GM who wasn’t going to take no for an answer. Despite being “foiled” by Minnesota, KP was still able to get the player he wanted at the cost of what? Sebastian Telfair?

How many times would the average Blazers fan trade Sebastian Telfair (and Theo’s corpse) for Brandon Roy? The over/under would probably start at infinity…

My least favorite would most likely be the constant dealing of second round picks. After looking at this extensively, it seems like sometimes he trades them, just to trade them (as I probably would, too) and we’ve never really gotten an impact player out of our late first, early second round picks. Although, this all goes out the window if Petteri Koponen, Sergio Rodriguez or Nicolas Batum (even Rudy Fernandez to an extent although I consider him an isolated case) become solid rotation players, in which case KP is truly a genius.

There’s the inclusion of Fred Jones in the Zach Randolph trade which some people did not like, but we need to realize that including Fred Jones meant we got to keep Martell Webster AND acquire James Jones…

Taureen Green for Von Wafer was strange too, considering Green was such a likeable club house personality…

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jul 11, 2008 11:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the second rounders

you’re talking about potential and so you snag people you think have a chance to break out or surprise. I really don’t see an issue if he only hits 10% or so on those. Even then I think you’re doing pretty good.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 11, 2008 1:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Completely agree...

You’re absolutely right, in that he trades them to compile a combination of “potential” players and additional options for the future, and we should also take into consideration that the odds of a second round pick becoming a rotation player is something like less than 5%.

If KP goes through 100 second round draft picks, he’s bound to win the lottery with at least 1 or 2 of them…

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jul 11, 2008 1:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Second Round picks

are thrown is as trade bait on deals. See the Batum trade.

'77

by LaoTzu on Jul 11, 2008 3:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

KP has described the 2nd rounders

as “currency”. Going into the draft everyone talks with KP because he has the “currency” to help them get who they want. He spends a few but still manages to take more into next year. They seem part of his genius.

Taureen Green was not going to get another year here and now in Denver – maybe so it was a kindness to him as well as acquiring a shooter in Von Wafer. Von did get a chance to play but couldn’t hit as I remember.

Fred Jones may have been key to the Zach trade as KP likely acquired him for that purpose (Isiah maybe coveted him).

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 12, 2008 2:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

why?

Why did Minnesota trade Foye for Roy straight across when they could have just drafted Foye?

by 50backflips on Jul 11, 2008 11:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think they got cash

in the deal.

McHale is an idiot.

After KP took Ainge to school in the Telfair/Theo for Raef/#7 pick (Foye then Roy), Ainge realized he was better off dealing with McHale- and it got him a title.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 11, 2008 11:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They had a deal

Like we had with Indy: we draft for each other, swap the picks plus money, and avoid the team inbetween us taking the players we want.

Minny had a deal with Houston at #8… Houston wanted Roy, Minny wanted Foye, by Minny taking Roy Houston tried to freeze out the Blazers, thinking we would go ‘OH WELL’ and draft Rudy Gay. Instead, we break up the plan by taking Foye, forcing Minny to deal with us, and Houston trades Gay for Battier.

Minny did it for extra money, a cheaper player, and perhaps another player from Houston. We did it this year with Indy to make sure Sacramento didn’t get our dude, and it opened up roster space as well.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 11, 2008 11:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 12, 2008 2:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

From what I heard, Houston wanted Roy.

They had a deal in place with Minny where Minny would draft Roy, and Houston would draft… Aw, dang, Mortimer beat me to it.

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by T Darkstar on Jul 11, 2008 11:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You forgot....

Ime Udoka’s deal, that is a free agent move that should be included.

James Jones walking away and not being matched is a move.

by Portland Dynasty on Jul 11, 2008 1:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

c'mon

A) Those weren’t trades.
B) Do those moves have to be explained?

Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...

by TheOdenator on Jul 11, 2008 1:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Free Agents...

I was considering adding Free Agents, but to the best of my knowledge KP has yet to sign a free agent besides Steve Blake, correct? So, you can’t really say he treated another team unfairly by letting a free agent walk or resigning another team’s free agent…

Out:
Ime Udoka (helped the Spurs, but also opened up time for Travis and Webster)
James Jones (likewise in Miami)
Jamaal “Get Off the Floor” Magloire (killed me on NBA Live last night for the Nets, but wasn’t worth keeping)...

In:
Steve Blake (a steal if you consider production divided by price)

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jul 11, 2008 1:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And in case we're nitpicking for errors...

Then, I should also point out that Josh McRoberts was also included in the deal for Jerryd Bayless. I can’t believe I forgot the man, the myth, the legend, the McRoberts.

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jul 11, 2008 1:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Joel Przybilla

was another KP victory. He went to Minnesota to talk him into resigning with the Blazers. Remember when everyone was nervous he wouldn’t?

by jamon51 on Jul 12, 2008 2:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You forgot McRoberts

No love for JMac? Overall tho, job well done.

by Blindsteepler on Jul 11, 2008 6:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I chuckle most about Isiah trading for Nichols and then cutting him in training camp

because they had 15 guaranteed contracts! (Like Isiah forget that???) That was the pick we used to get Omer Asik then traded to Chicago for (3) 2nd round picks including New York’s 2009 2nd. Both Chicago and New York picks in 2009 are likely to be high in the round as both have new coaches and new point guards.

Note the use of a 2nd to get Batum ahead of San Antonio. Could be the bigger heist of the night. We will not miss getting Joey Dorsey.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 12, 2008 2:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

that’s one of my favorites. We basically stole NY’s second round pick and turned it into 3 future second rounders. KP will probably use them to stockpile euros.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 12, 2008 6:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

CatMan2...

what was I supposed to do in this situation again? Something about throwing grass seed, and getting out the weed-killer? Or wait was i supposed to ignore the grass seed, and talk about lawns instead? Dang it, I thought I had figured this out…

Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...

by TheOdenator on Jul 11, 2008 8:59 AM PDT   0 recs

Ok, today I´ll eat my cat food as penance.

Well, actually i can live with it if i remember my own advices. Darn memory!

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jul 11, 2008 9:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

George Carlin might've said to

sit on your lawn, clean some grass, throw out the seeds, and kill some weed.

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by CatMan2 on Jul 11, 2008 11:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well to be fair to Nash

The payroll was not that bad because nash was gave every veteran we had the Axe but Pritch did come and clean up. Not to take anything away from him though, he has done borderline miracle work. Look how long it takes most teams to come back from rebuilding (ex. Bulls, Magic). To be at .500 ball, blow up the team, and be back at .500 within 3-4 years just doesn’t happen in this league very often.

The super fan formally known as Bucky

by Blazin'aTrail on Jul 11, 2008 9:19 AM PDT   0 recs

Excellent point!

Chicago gave up on their rebuilding and traded away Chandler and other pieces. I hope KP does not get impatient with this great talented group we now have. I keep hearing we need a veteran but so far we are doing fine (although JJ33 was very important in the 13 gave winning streak).

These guys will learn as most of us do — by trying hard, making mistakes and learning more from the mistakes than anything else.

by OrygunRod on Jul 11, 2008 6:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This might sound cocky

But I think the biggest difference between our rebuild and theirs is the caliber of players. Curry, Chandler, Gordon, Hinrich, all serviceable to GOOD players but none are franchise types. True we got lucky with Oden, and they got lucky with Rose, but Roy and LMA are both great players to surround with other types, and the Bulls haven’t been as fortunate.

Oden/LMA/Roy is just plain better than Curry/Chandler/Gordon/Hinrich/Deng/Rose. Both teams rebuilded through the draft; we were fortunate and skilled enough to pick the right dudes or luck into a year where great players were where we were drafting.

Impatience won’t come into play I think, except with the peripheral guys like Webster, Sergio, Outlaw, Frye, Ike, etc. Our CORE won’t run out of time with KP, and only if we moved one or all of them would we be rebuilding again. We got what we wanna have, just need to fill out the rest.

The Bulls changed their core to build around a few times, and still don’t got guys they are sure about. They’re at a point where they gotta PAY Gordon and Deng as if they were sure about them (like they paid Nocioni and Hinrich), so it’s a difficult crossroads. They ain’t winning a title with them as their best players (unless Rose is Chris Paul part 2), so why pay them as if they will lead the team there?

Tough decisions. Can’t let them walk, after all…

I don’t think we’ll face those hard decisions with our core. We know we want them.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 11, 2008 7:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like our core and

most of the rest of the guys we now have. Martell really needs 2 more seasons to show what he can do and I think (hope?) that he will be an All-Star some day. Travis has been money on the second unit and at the end of games. Raef will soon be gone and Sergio seems to be the most questionable and needs a really good year.

There are so many options here but they can only dress 12 and usually a rotation is 8 to 10. So someday there may need to be a salary calculation to how much can they afford to pay someone who is very good but is at the end of the bench. But we are several years from that point.

by OrygunRod on Jul 11, 2008 8:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I saw that too

but I wasn’t going to be so rude as to point it out… ;) haha

by jamon51 on Jul 12, 2008 2:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What's to point out?

It’s a nice word for this situation. It might not be a fancy $10 dollar word boughten at a boutique, but it done n’ served it’s purpose.

And iffin’ you liked the word, why would that be rude to point out?

If you had a rebuild period in the past, you previously had ‘rebuilded’. If there is a better term, I don’t even wanna hear it because it will blow my mind.

Mortimered!

by Mortimer on Jul 12, 2008 3:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on Jul 11, 2008 9:35 AM PDT   0 recs

Ike

I think they like Ike. He’s just had the injury bug – but when he’s played, his rebounds and points per minutes were good. I think Mac likes the idea that he’s now got an enforcer he can mix into the group. If they start pushing on Oden, he can put Ike in there and he can definitiely do a lot pushing back. Nice option to have.

by Eben Calder on Jul 11, 2008 12:06 PM PDT   0 recs

Diogu

Is going to be one of the unsung pieces that will quickly make a difference next year.

With GO & Ike on now on the roster (along with Pryz) we go from slightly soft in the belly to six pack hardcore.

I like Ike.

The Oden Era, Day 380

by Heymoe on Jul 11, 2008 5:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you didnt go to WOSC did you J Walk?

"Meow" --- My cat Bonzi on whether or not Travis Outlaw should start or come off the bench.

by bow4meow on Jul 11, 2008 10:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Apparently not

since I don’t know what WOSC is. Western Oregon – - ? I grew up in Roswell, NM (a galaxy far, far away?), and went to school at UT Austin.

by jaywalker on Jul 12, 2008 3:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ike

not sure i see it with ike, reminds me of a zach-lite. yuck. hope you’re right though…

by blazersunited on Jul 11, 2008 6:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In point of fact, you are correct...

...that we don’t know what we are talking about, because we don’t know how Diogu yet will respond to the opportunities our new roster present. However, this is the fantasize-about-the-future part of the season, so we are entitled to indulge in a bit fantasy for the time being ;-)

Time may prove you right about him being zach-lite. On the other hand, Diogu has played enough to give us legitimate hope that he will be a bulldog in the paint. From his prior playing history it appears he has attitudes and attributes that were…um…somewhat lacking from time to time with last year’s squad. My post came in response to the thought of a Kevin Garnett or Utah type again trying to intimidate our youngins’. Put in Oden and Diogu, and it is possible to imagine them backing off. Problem solved.

by jaywalker on Jul 11, 2008 7:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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