Ron Artest to L*kers?
I heard a rumor this morning on 95.5 on my way to work that the L*kers had offered the Kings Lamar Odom for Ron Artest. Frankly, this would be disastrous if any trade along these lines were to transpire. As shown last year, Ron Artest is our achilles heel. He defends Roy better than anyone else I've seen, and on offense he's simply too tough and strong for our young team. Even with Oden patrolling the paint I feel that he would continue to dominate us. This is acceptable as long as he's doing it for a lottery team like the Kings, but if he were to become a L*ker the matchup swings decidedly in their favor (I believe it it strongly in ours at the moment). As someone who would be content with a 4-win season as long as those four came against the L*kers, the prospect of them acquiring Artest sickens me. What would you think if these rumors proved to be true? How do we deal with a lineup of Fisher/Kobe/Artest/Gasol/Bynum?
Please note that this post is still largely rumor and speculation. Artest has reported that he has no intentions of leaving the Kings, and the L*kers have already tried to acquire him and failed. Will upping the ante in this manner (Odom) be successful, or will it be another failed attempt? Even if they don't get him this season, what about the next year when he's a free agent?
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I vote we track down Gillooly if this happens.
by shralpster on Jul 10, 2008 9:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeff was my babysitter groing up. no s#*t
He lived a block away. The media circus on my street was insane during the scandal. Local, national, and even international media….in outer SE pdx. What a scene. Jeff was always cool, she was a hardcore B though. My friend and I played Jeff and Tanya 2 on 2 hoops once, she played for keeps, lots of elbows, really intense, she was so damn competitive.
don’t forget, he changed his name from Gilooly to Stone. I guess he thought he had a carreer in the adult film industry after the video he made with Tanya.
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by $chonzarelli on Jul 10, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truly interesting memories $chonz. Appreciate you sharing them.
At the time, there weren’t many who weren’t super intrigued with that Tonya Harding story and it was fun to hear your personal experiences. Could she hoop? I know she was very athletic so I imagine she could play a little.
by TwoDeep on Jul 10, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes Me Happy
This is good news to me because hopefully Artest’s headcaseyness would become a malignant tumor on the Lkers team and destroy them from the inside out. Also, Odom hurt the Blazers too with his versatility. I just can’t see Artest and Bryant cooperating nearly as well as Odom and Bryant managed too. If Artest can cope with being demoted to third fiddle, then that might help the Lkers, but otherwise it can only hurt them, chemistry-wise.
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by blazersfan50 on Jul 10, 2008 9:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hehehe
Artest and K*be in the same locker room. It would be interesting, anyway.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus "The Machine", Ariza, Rad, ...
Phil Jackson probably will request a trade if that happens. And no wonder a sane guy like Turiaf wants to get out of there.
Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...
by Norsktroll on Jul 10, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys haven't seen this video
It would be crazy there but for the wrong reason. Artest would end up stalking Kobe.
Link
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by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's classic
and another reason why i don’t want artest in LA.
Beaver believer!
by mannyfresh1 on Jul 10, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not worried what other teams do
as the Blazers are doing everything possible to get as good as they can. Since we can’t control what other teams do…why worry. Also, the Lakers are trying to build the team with Veterans in a complicated offense (at least for some), while we are building from the ground up and rising together (hey that’s catchy). They can have the knucklehead for all I care. I still like our lineup better in a year or so once everybody learns to play together.
by ColoradoBlazerFan on Jul 10, 2008 9:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm more concerned
About what he does on defense. Kobe can’t defend Brandon Roy as well as some think, but of the three Roy vs Artest battles last year, Roy had a solid game in only one of them (21/6/9). He was limited in the other two (11/8/6, 13/4/8). I feel like our lineup options and future have been discussed at length, but what will it take to get through the WC playoffs in the future? Basketball is a game of matchups, just look at Golden State vs Dallas two years ago. One team that has your number can be the difference between a title and a first round exit.
by sixth on Jul 10, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
everything being relative...
11/8/6 and 13/4/8 are pretty good numbers.
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by -ken on Jul 10, 2008 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
Roy is the all-star and leader of the team, and those are below average games for him.
by sixth on Jul 10, 2008 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
half of Roy's games are below average
by tingeyga on Jul 10, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy was flustered by Artest and he is the only one I've seen do it to Roy
by tweener on Jul 10, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowen did the first game of the season
though that may have been Brandon in a slump
by Zaron5551 on Jul 10, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that as a game where Roy was mad at himself rather than
shut down by Bowen. Bowen wasn’t helping him though.
by tweener on Jul 11, 2008 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
technically...
half of Roy’s games our below the mean, NOT below the average.
;-)
by douglast on Jul 10, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's ARE, not OUR.
We still need an edit comment feature
by douglast on Jul 10, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez
Actually, technically, half of Roy’s games are below the median, and half are only below the mean if his scoring curve follows the standard normal distribution.
Yay for geeking out!
by shralpster on Jul 10, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I should have said
Those numbers are far below what we expect on any given night.
by sixth on Jul 10, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, i'm just nitpicking douglast for nitpicking you.
but all in fun. :)
by shralpster on Jul 10, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right. Bad on me.
by douglast on Jul 10, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right." Great signature for someone.
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by annthefan on Jul 10, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
done!
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Jul 10, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who wants a wedgie?
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by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet or dill?
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by annthefan on Jul 10, 2008 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
San Antonio has always had Phoenix's number
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by Kelsoballa on Jul 10, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I hate this argument so hard
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by nightbluefruit on Jul 10, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you sixth.
It would be concerning if the Lakers got him. They are already too strong. After Odom’s dismal showing in the finals, I’m not surprised the Lakers are looking to do this. And why wouldn’t Artest want to play on a finals team. I can even see why it might be attractive to the Kings. Gotta hope it falls through or is only rumor.
by TwoDeep on Jul 10, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
check out
Forum Blue and Gold for why this is not a good trade for the Laker. Also, just check out this site in general as they have really good content.
Also we only play LAL 3 times since they are not in our division
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jul 10, 2008 9:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We played them
Four times last season . . .
by sixth on Jul 10, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your right
but as I remember we are supposed to play our division 4 times and non division 3 times and then the out of conference twice. They also put in some provisions about even odd years for playing out of division opponents to get all 82 games in.
What an awesome scheduling job the nba does
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jul 10, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on the year
The schedule is unbalanced. You always play your own division three times and teams in the other conference twice, but teams that are in your conference but not in your divsion can be three or four times, depending on the year.
—Dave
by Dave on Jul 10, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew it, the league is fixed :-(
;-)
Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...
by Norsktroll on Jul 10, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we played them
three times in 06-07
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jul 10, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing!
How does this guy keep getting work. One of the most infamous players in the history of the game and still every one is tripping all over themselves to get him. If this were the real business world he would not get hired by anyone.
by RipCityRoyCity on Jul 10, 2008 9:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Artest on the L*kers
This would be a disaster for the Fakers. I agree totally with Forum Blue/Gold’s assessment. You can count down the games until Kobe blows up at Artest for phoning it in or screwing up a play or something.
Artest would poison them..so, I say, pull the trigger Kupcake!
Forum B/gold has some pretty intelligent discussions there, BTW..for a L*kers site..not that I visit there, because, you know..you all would pull my Blazer fan membership card.
by SloppyJoe on Jul 10, 2008 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
jonesstr and SloppyJoe ...
you guys actually hang out on Blue and Gold?!! This is almost worse than admitting you are gay. Guess I have to admire you though for coming out of the closet with it. Jeesh, closet Laker fans. Now I wonder how many there are here on Bedge?! Someone needs to do a study.
by TwoDeep on Jul 10, 2008 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, That's Classy
Let’s call out all the homos on BEdge. Then the Jews.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Jul 10, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that offends you.... you probably wouldn't like
Call me immature, but I go to that site daily during the season just to chuckle at the manlove photos of NBA players in awkward positions.
Here is one of my favorites from last year:

by tweener on Jul 11, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Not So Much That I'm Offended..
it’s that for all the collective hand-wringing we BEdgers have done about the word “Pritchslap” and its connotations, to let someone put “admitting they were gay” in a negative light seems a bit hypocritical, don’t you think?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Jul 11, 2008 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You may be right, but calling a hetero gay doesn't bother me
I’m probably the wrong guy to ask. I jokingly refer to my friends as “queerbait”.
by tweener on Jul 11, 2008 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Pritchslap comment
was made out of concern that the term could potentially diminish KP’s effectiveness in dealing with other GM’s. I have no idea how it can be compared to my possibly offensive comment regarding homosexuals.
I guess I find it humorous that on this site, “open” Laker fans are about as unwelcome as “open” gays are to me. This is an old fashion personal bias that I rarely expose, but having had political correctness jammed down my throat, on so many fronts, over so many years, it’s not one for which I’m inclined to apologize. It’s just a personal opinion (and oh how I hope our rights to express such opinions haven’t yet been completely taken away). BTW, what inspired me to offer that opinion – on this, a sports site – was some of the gay flavored postings that have been appearing lately here on BE.
by TwoDeep on Jul 11, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said What What?
I’m probably the gayest guy here and I’m married with a wife with huge hooters. I posted some pics of her just for you to check out just to counter act the gayness. Anyhow, sorry if I was too gay for you. I find gayness funny because it freaks people out. I don’t do it to be offensive or start any trouble. I think it is best that we all move on and I’ll take my wife’s advice and be less gay. I think it’s best if we all just blame Canada.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 11, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
I followed the links. I thought I’d be brought to a funny picture or something. But no. I don’t know what to believe anymore, but I THINK those actually might have been pictures of your wife. With “huge hooters.” I have no problem with it personally, but I guess gayness is funny occasionally, especially when unintentional and ironic.
Salaam
by Junior Del Norte on Jul 11, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahahhahahahahha!!! I actually did laugh aloud.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on Jul 11, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is ever so dirty
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 11, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holly balls! (basketballs of course) I had no idea. I'm stunned and
embarrassed. No doubt I’m going to have to change my handle. I’m so glad now that I made my thoughts on queerness known in the above post.
Actually, my wife and I innocently chose TwoDeep as our email name because there were Two of us living at Deep River, and I then used the same name when registering onto Dave’s Blazer Thoughts a few years ago. But even minus the sexual connotation, TwoDeep doesn’t really work anymore because my Mary died a year ago. I’m now just OneDeep. Guess I’d better look that one up too.
Thank you so much Junior Del for this revealing information. I’ll be ever indebted to you. Now, can anyone tell me: what are the mechanics of changing one’s screen name on this site?
by TwoDeep on Jul 11, 2008 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just re-read the definition
and I don’t feel quite as bad as it cites a heterosexual example. Still, that isn’t at all one of my favorite orifices.
by TwoDeep on Jul 11, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take a lot of comfort Tom --
and I’m sure you do too—in the fact that you are married to a lady with big hooters. God bless you. And you’re quite effective with your intentions ‘cuz some of what you post does, as you say, “freak me out” a bit. I certainly don’t feel at all offended …. rather, as I think I’d posted to a couple of you guys quite a long time back, I’d feel uncomfortable being in a locker room with you guys.
I love your humor though. You’re always making me LOL, the most recent being the one which I’m replying to here and a post you made yesterday about attributing the Walton draft choice to KP’s drafting prowess! You’re one of a kind Tom …. and we should be ever so grateful for that :).
by TwoDeep on Jul 11, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mixed feelings
I’ve seen Artest stymie both Roy and Aldridge and was a huge part of why the Kings beat us last year. BUT he is a first rate chucker on offense and that has the potential to absolutely rip the L#kers apart, as he shoots rather poor percentages.
As I recall those “down” games Roy had were still OK numbers wise, BUT almost none of it was against Artest. RonRon would check out, Roy would get a layup, hit a jumper, and then get an assist as the defense started to collapse on him…then POW Artest comes back in and it suddenly stops.
And I wouldn’t be so sure that Artest poisons LA, if the coaching staff gets him to take smarter shots and he differs to K#be (nobody cares if he differs to Gasol/Bynum), then they could really start rolling. If they need shooting in any circumstance they can bring it off the bench very easily as well.
by Devenex on Jul 10, 2008 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I do not want Artest on the Lakers
He is an amazing player when his head is on straight and he’s just so big and strong. NOOOOO.
And if he became a Laker, I’d bet dollars to donuts his head suddenly gets on straight and Phil Jackson awakens the sleeper within. Artest becomes the lockdown, physical beast the Lakers need, he defers to Kobe on offense (as he should), and Artest’s defense, post game, and virtuosity destroys teams nightly.
Especially in the playoffs.
Yikes. No Artest to LA please.
The Maloofs, in the past, have refused to deal with the Lakers as they see them as their rival still, and I hope this holds true. I can’t remember the deal, but they traded someone for a worse offer than what the Lakers offered, and were criticized for it because they said they wouldn’t deal with their rivals… but since the Kings weren’t as good anymore, they weren’t “rivals” anymore. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 10, 2008 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
Phil Jackson has done a good job with large egos in the past. If Dennis Rodman, Scottie Pippen, and MJ can coexist then I think the Lakers will be fine.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on Jul 10, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang, I was gunna use the Rodman comparison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are so many reasons to think Artest in LA would be great for LA
-Phil has coached head cases before and succeeded (Kobe, Rodman) He can get Artest to focus.
-Artest is getting older and wiser and more hungry for that ring
-Kobe’s great leadership will play a big part
-With a big city around him, wins are more important than whether people think you are a good person off the court.
However, you could argue that Artest isn’t a huge upgrade over Odom, but that’s a whole ‘nother discussion. I’m just sayin that all signs point to Artest succeeding in LA.
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by Kelsoballa on Jul 10, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't beleive
you bought the media meme that Kobe is a great leader now. DOES NOT COMPUTE
by 50backflips on Jul 10, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew a Kobe compliment here would come back and get me
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by Kelsoballa on Jul 10, 2008 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest is not Rodman
Something tells me showing Artest clips of “He Got Game” or “Do the Right Thing” or “The Legend of Bagger Vance” or “Field of Dreams” or “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon” and making him read Lao Tzu won’t straighten him out.
But Ron-ron does have a major crush on Kobe, as illustrated by that hilarious interview they conducted, so maybe it will all work out in the end.
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by nightbluefruit on Jul 10, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not discounting the effect of PJ on Artest...
...But I more just feel like if Artest went to the Lakers of today, THEN he would suddenly become the player he always could be and then help Kobe bring the dumb Lakers a bunch of championships.
And Artest seems unstable, but he’s compulsive like Rodman. He doesn’t think before he acts. I think PJ might be able to get through to him, but it isn’t the main reason why I fear Artest going to the Lakers.
Joining a great team, a great franchise (great meaning successful, naturally), Artest suddenly finds why he plays basketball and boistered by Kobe’s respect and the trust of the first coach that wasn’t afraid Artest would murder him, Artest’s true beast awakens and he dominates (at least) the playoffs with the slower, defensive based basketball that wins then.
With Kobe and the aura of PJ, Artest doesn’t shoot up dumb jumpers (Artest doesn’t care about the wrath of Kevin Martin, after all), plays defense, and is the Artest people hoped he’d be. Then, our advantage positionally starts to evaporate.
Yes’m, I sure do not like the Artest in LA idea.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 10, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have a round peg in a giant square hole
Artest is a talented player no doubt, and when he puts his mind to it I have no problem saying he is one of the best in the game today.
But…
I think he is a more complicated person than you give him credit for. The prevailing cliche in the NBA right now is that players who are disgruntled just want to win and when put in a winning situation their love of the game returns to them and they straighten up and fly right, just like Eddie Murphy in “Trading Places.” Yes sir, Rodman went straight from a street character impersonating a double amputee to a successful wall street investor; with a fair shake of humorous hijinks along the way. What a journey!
But what was never in doubt with Rodman was his love of the game. To this day the dude is looking for a way to play competitively.
I don’t think Artest has proven yet that he is actually that invested in the game. I think his headcasiness extends beyond the realm of basketball and into his complicated and fascinating personal life. Think about his year-long suspension. What do you think would have happened if Rodman had been left out for a season back in the day? Dude would have been heartbroken. Ron-ron just made some weird comments about focusing on his rapping career (which he had already requested time off to do anyway). Now in Sactown he’s committed to his bizarre radio show so much he openly wonders whether or not he’d rather do that for a living.
I don’t buy your argument because I don’t buy that Artest really wants to be a basketball player. Yes, the Lakers with Artest will be improved. But no, Ron-ron will not change, and his presence will be an even bigger distraction once he is exposed to the LA scene.
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by nightbluefruit on Jul 11, 2008 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
But I think even Artest would wake up for the playoffs. He isn’t a commited player, and he won’t ever change, but when Artest is good he’s very good and the playoffs get to players like that and they wake up.
Lamar Odom is always gonna be Lamar Odom, which means one game he scores 30 and looks awesome and then has 10 games where you scream at him.
Artest has always tried to find other avenues to make a living, such as his rap diversion, so I’m not saying he’s just looking for the right home. I just think being on a team that is winning and actually going deep in the playoffs would pretty much cause ANYONE to start trying and play as hard as they can… especially a guy like Artest who just doesn’t find much reason or fun in being a day to day NBAer.
I can’t remember many players getting in trouble in LA, and there’s a lot less scrutiny that players go through here when compared to New York. In New York, Artest would self destruct. Here, he could hide behind Kobe and a good team for a season and not be relied on (I don’t think he wants to be relied on), and then come alive for the playoffs.
It’s mostly a gut reaction, as neither of us know the guy. I don’t think he cares that much about basketball, but a championship run atmosphere in April/May would probably make anyone start trying. I can see the Ron Artest Redemption Story in my head right now, as his big playoff games and finals winning defense renews his rightfully tainted reputation for all. He won’t have changed, just actually played for a team good enough to win without him and he comes alive when convenient.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 11, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things you're forgetting
I know I’m not going to convince you that Artest will never lead the Lakers to a title, but I do have just two additional tidbits for you to ponder over:
1) Did you ever read PJ’s book about the 2004 season? Eye-opening. Artest will not be allowed to shy away from the spotlight on the court because Kobe will be playing judge, jury, and executioner with his game. Everything he does on the court is going to be chewed up and spit back in his face by a player he really respects. Remember what that did to Kwame Brown when MJ called him a (word omitted here, look it up if you’re curious)?
2) Ron-ron was making a championship run with the Pacers when the Palace mess occurred. Seriously, that Indiana team was the best in the East that year….the year the East won the title. I don’t think success matters to Artest in the slightest. I think he likes the attention of success, but he’d rather get it doing anything else but playing basketball.
Then again, you’re absolutely right: none of us know the guy. We have to do our (un)educated best based on what we absorb through, like, twenty forms of mediation. I’m not arguing I’m absolutely correct per se. I’m just explaining my convictions qua empirical best guesswork.
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by nightbluefruit on Jul 11, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm homer enough to still think we can beat the Lakers
Even with Artest.
I just don’t like him being on our arch rivals who we’re gonna have to contend with. To me, he’s like a more out of control and irrational Sheed, where if you rely on him he’ll always fail you but if he can hide with other (more) talented players he’s a big asset.
I don’t think he’s a Whore With a Heart of Gold, nor do I think Phil Jackson knows the right buttons to push because of Rodman… that was a special case and not a situation one could hope to duplicate.
Artest doesn’t dislike basketball that much though; he’s played pretty well on a Kings team going nowhere. And I’m not counting on him playing good for 82 games… just for 16 wins after those first 82.
I’m not sure if your Kwame/MJ example fits, as Kwame wasn’t a super talented player who was just belittled and shamed to death; he’s not very good. If Eternal Giver-Upper Lamar Odom can handle Kobe, Artest can—and Kobe ain’t MJ, with Charles Oakley ready to slit the throat of anyone who tries to hurt him. Artest scares Kobe. Kobe DREAMS of a ‘respected street cred’ like Artest has. He won’t be able to shame/belittle/scare Artest out of being Artest, in my opinion.
I have not read that book though. I should for my general basketball knowledge…
For point 2, you are right, but I’m not expecting Artest to be as main of a player as he was on that team, or be relied on for 82 games. Just the playoffs, ala Shaq perhaps.
Artest doesn’t make the Lakers world beaters, but he would be the only guy we couldn’t direct combat with a player of our own. LMA > Pau, Oden > Bynum, Kobe obviously > Roy, but Roy will get his… with Artest, if he can absorb the playoff atmosphere like pretty much any other player like him does, they would have someone we cannot stop.
I also don’t think he necessarily likes the attention of being an NBA player over the game, because even with his self promoting antics with his sideline stuff he hasn’t done much more than any other NBA player in that regard. Not to say he has a real love for the game or anything idealistic like that; I think his relationship is more complicated than we can know without knowing him, and normal motivations might not work with the guy.
However, even with my doubting his appreciation of being a NBA player, he regularly plays hard (not focused, but hard) and tries to win. Even on the Kings he has done this.
Snap bad decisions like talking to the press about contract stuff when he doesn’t really know what he wants to do, or the Malice at the Palace aren’t him not caring about winning, they are snap bad decisions. He isn’t thinking about anything on those situations, let alone actively disregarding what is best for his team. He just don’t think, I think.
The brawl was so early in the season, I doubt he was thinking about playoff ramifications. Since, to me, he plays hard and tries in January against Memphis he’ll play hard and try in the playoffs, maybe even more so.
Oops, I didn’t mean to write so much. I know I’m not gonna convince you as if you’re gonna say “Oh gorsh I’m convinced” because everything I say is just hunches and guesses. I just wanna explain my opinion adequately is all.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 11, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually kind of convinced
A lot of this online conversationalism comes down to taking a lot of words to figure out exactly what it is the other guy is trying to say. Frequently I’ll get to that point and think, “Egads! THAT”S what he was trying to convince me of? I couldn’t disagree more!” Then I spin out into a vitriolic diatribe on the character of the other guy’s mom—philosophically speaking, of course.
In this case I feel like I got that point and realized that I do agree with your premise. IF the lakers can qualify for the playoffs and bring a rested, acclimated Artest into the fold (after playing, say, 40 regular-season games in front of the star-studded Staples Center crowd) they would be a force to reckin’ wit. Artest would put his nose to the grindstone mostly because he has a script to pitch to Jack. They’d be tough, matchup-wise, at every spot on the floor but the 1. They would be better than they are currently with Odom.
That said, I still agree with my argument at the same time, which kind of makes me unconvinced I guess. But my thoughts are: throwing Artest into a Kobe-infested pit in order to breakup a team that was pretty durn close to a championship is playing Russian roulette with three chambers full. There’s no way Artest makes it through a whole season under the scrutiny of Kobe’s incessant criticism without something AWESOME happening, and I use awesome here in the sense that as a Blazers fan I will be highly entertained.
Two additional points to add: I disagree that Kobe’s influence doesn’t hurt Odom. The more he struggles, the more helpless his situation becomes. If he comes out cold to start a game he almost never catches fire afterwards, mostly because (in my opinion) he knows big brother is watching.
Second: a lot of people think you’re wrong about Kwame. From a strict fan perspective I came to the same conclusion that you did: Kwame sucks. But reading DC-area sports writers on the subject, they all think it comes down to Kwame’s traumatic introduction to the league, facilitated by his idol: MJ. almost everything I’ve read on the subject makes mention of the one name-calling incident as the last straw, and the moment Kwame checked out for good.
But you can make of that what you will.
Obviously.
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by nightbluefruit on Jul 11, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooooh, good point Mortimer. The Maloof's!
They might not want to make the Laker’s any stronger than they already are. I feel better now, although like you insinuated maybe the Kings aren’t currently at a point where they see themselves competing with the Lakers.
by TwoDeep on Jul 10, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign of the times in Sacramento
Hope this isn’t too off topic.
Living in Sacto, I am continually impressed by the dichotomy of the futures of the Blazers and the Kings. The Blazers seem to have everything going in the right direction, and the Kings seem to continue their slide in Clipperland obscurity. Ron Arrest going to FauxCal isn’t going to happen. Its not in Sacto’s fate, or rather kharma is catching up to them. RonRon will be in a Kings jersey for the rest of the year, and will play just hard enough to get a decent offer during the next summer with another team.
I think Odom would be a good fit with Sacramento; not enough to get them in the playoffs, but a morale booster for the fans and for the team. I think we may see more of an offensive minded team, and this would sell more tickets and energize the arena with a combo of Odom and KMart. I just can’t see this happening.
I truly believe that the Kings are suffering from the Clay Bennett Blues. I belief the Maloofs have taken over the reigns from Petrie and have subverted the plans he has created just to move the team to Vegas now that OKC is no longer available. It would have been a difficult sell to the other owners if they wanted to move to Vegas if the proven success of OKC was overlooked. Now that’s no longer a problem. I anticipate seeing the Kings continue to decline in talent and performance over the next year until their new arena proposal is shot down because of the Maloofs’ excessive demands which will result in a league approval to move the team.
I don’t want this to happen, and hope that it doesn’t, but it just has that feeling every time the Kings do anything lately. I want to be able to drive 10 minutes to see NBA basketball, and I want Sacramento to have a professional sports franchise, because I believe the fans in this town are deserving of one. The outlook doesn’t look good though.
On a brighter note, this is good news for the Blazers though, as I’m looking forward to seeing 2 Portland blow-outs at Arco this year, and converting more people to Blazers fans once the team jets out of town. I hope to see more Black and Red at the games than I have ever before.
by ZooooomByU on Jul 10, 2008 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think this will happen
but if it did, we could respond by starting Greg, Channing, and LMA, and putting Aldridge on Artest. It would be interesting to try, anyway.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LMA is too soft to guard Artest, at the end of last year at least
Artest actually outweighs Aldridge though he is a good 4 inches shorter.
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by Kelsoballa on Jul 10, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diogu?
Ike looks like he isn’t afraid to mix it up a bit…
by DonkeyShins on Jul 10, 2008 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not quick enough
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jul 11, 2008 3:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure that will be the case in a year or two
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jul 11, 2008 3:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumours about Lakers having made an offer to Spanish PF Garbajosa.
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by amlmart1 on Jul 11, 2008 5:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Man
That dude was awesome in Up In Smoke.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 11, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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