Ideology
In the midst of the excellent fanpost discussion on conversational civility highlighted in the sidebar to your right reader Engineering Problem posted an interesting question/request:
Hi Dave. I participate in several online communities and monitor several others related to my job. The quality of postings and the lucidity of the analysis here is second to none. Much of what you do is visible to us in your front page writing and your comments, but is this alone enough to explain the consistently high fanpost and comment quality? How extensively do you moderate?
In the doldrums of summer, should you want to blog about the secret sauce that makes this all work, I’m sure there would be much interest. One of the great things about this blog is that it’s generally not self-referential, but an exception here might be educational to others who are attempting to create unrelated online communities. I’ve been mourning the day where quality of fanposts starts to decline, but it’s been the opposite – some scary good stuff is being posted. Why here and (almost) nowhere else?
Believe it or not, I’m not re-posting this on the main page because it is so complimentary. (Though I will take it gladly, and there is no higher compliment that can be paid than to say the conversation here is excellent.) Rather EP’s question strikes to the root of who we are as a community and what we’re doing here, which is good to revisit from time to time.
I am not going to go through a Philosophy of Blogging here, though if enough people are interested in my thoughts on the medium in general I may do something like that in the future. Rather I’d like us to remember the unique reasons this blog on this subject engenders so much intriguing response.
It’s easy to forget in the feel-good era we’re enjoying at the moment, but my fledgling attempts at blogging began in a much different time. It seems like an eternity experientially, but chronologically it’s only been a few, short years.
Almost everybody sees the contrast between our current team and the one we fielded in the “Jailblazer” era. Comparing Brandon Roy and Travis Outlaw to J.R. Rider and Ruben Patterson is like comparing night to day. To me, though, what happened among the players in those years paled in comparison to the disaster that befell Blazer fandom. To put it in a nutshell, fans weren’t worth a damn back then…or at least that’s how we were treated. We heard glib explanations and soon-to-be-broken promises every time a player got in trouble. We watched Ruben Patterson swing on a chandelier in the team’s own ad campaign. We saw team officials give off aloof, condescending airs. We witnessed a war of attempted assimilation of the local media and then the verbally violent retaliation and mutual mudslinging which followed. We saw the team and city fighting each other. We saw the team and local vendors fighting each other. We saw players and coaches fighting each other. Through all of this we were supposed to follow along, blindly or suspiciously depending on the side we chose, like oxen led to the slaughter. As Bonzi Wells aptly put it, we were fans. Who cared if we booed? We’d be drooling and asking for autographs the next day. This is exactly how we were regarded up and down the line. This is what being a “Blazer fan” had become: a puppet, a pawn, a passive purchaser of season tickets or newspapers.
Stop for a minute and think what a massive loss that was…not only for us who loved the team, but for the community. This was the town that invented Blazermania. This was the place where water-cooler, bus-stop, barstool, lunch-line talk about the team united all of us. Being a Blazer fan used to mean something, if nothing else a lot of great conversation leading to a feeling of community. There was power and pride in that association. Not so much anymore.
Even if you had something to say during this era--something intelligent and meaningful and relevant--what good would it do? What effect was it going to have? All of the things mentioned above involved forces and powers seemingly beyond our control or ability to reach. This wasn’t because of any inherently higher position, but because nobody in charge seemed to be listening or caring…nobody in the team hierarchy, none of the players, nobody in the media, nobody in the business.
Second, even if you wanted to say something, where were you going to say it? We were long past the era of grassroots participation in traditional communal outlets. Nearly every outlet for public expression--radio, TV, newspapers--was run by corporations. The natural place to flee was the semi-subversive internet, but though there were good information-based Blazer sites out there decent forums for conversation were sadly lacking. The most active were also seemingly the most prone to self-absorption, trolling, and flaming among posters. You’d see plenty of sixty-two post arguments between proponents of John Canzano and Steve Patterson. You’d see a hundred comments on Zach Randolph’s off-court behavior, as if this were at the core of the team’s definition. You’d see people getting angry left and right, mirroring the overarching conflict. You’d have to look hard to find conversation that was anything north of careless, let alone substantive. It was a lonely feeling. Once again in the midst of so many words it was hard to find anybody you felt would listen or care.
What we've described so far has only covered people still interested in the team. How many people had abandoned the conversation entirely? In my childhood days all you had to say was “Bill Walton” and you’d get a dozen people conversing. Mention the Blazers during this era and people raised eyebrows, turned up noses, and snorted. “You still believe in that? Haven’t you heard what they are now?” It was like “The Year Without a Santa Claus” with the Blazers starring as a tarnished, broken-down St. Nick and plenty of folks just waiting to Heat Miser and Cold Miser you into oblivion.
But hey, some of us still thought Santa was important. It wasn’t so much for the team’s sake. Things were super-craptastic and everybody with eyes and half a brain knew it. Santa was indeed a drunk, bottom-pinching buffoon lying in the gutter. But Santa wasn’t the point. What Santa meant to people…the importance and value and dignity this conversation gave the community with such ease when it worked right…THAT was the point. And that was the missing element to be mourned.
That was the thesis out of which sprung this blog. We weren’t going to be able to change the team. We weren’t going to be able to change the media. We weren’t going to be able to change the city. But by gum, we believed that fans could be intelligent, thoughtful, insightful, and could say things that made a difference. We deserved to be listened to. We were talking about this Blazer stuff--being good custodians of this legacy--before ANY of the people in these other institutions ever came to town…back in our childhoods, back in our youth, back in our idealistic days.
Santa’s in the gutter again? Fine. This wasn’t just about Santa in the first place. This is about what we do in response to Santa, which is mostly get together and talk about him…celebrating his successes and mourning his shortcomings. So there’s a little more to mourn now than celebrate. That’s fine, as long as we do it honestly and together.
TV commercials and media stories are trying to tell us something different? OK, we’ll take that into account and talk about it. But you know what? Our eyes are pretty good and our minds are semi-keen and we have something to add to the discussion too. If you’re going to give us data, expect a response. If you don’t want a response and you don’t care to take that response into account, don’t bother bringing the data. This is not a one-way conversation anymore.
Everybody else is shrugging and rolling their eyes? That’s fine. We never figured everybody would remember or consider it important. Maybe they’ve found other ways to do the same thing, to connect the same way in their lives. But for some of us, this is the connection. This is deep in our definition of
Guess what? There aren’t just twenty. There are thousands.
In my heart of hearts I believe that the popularity, vivaciousness, and integrity of Blazersedge is not in response to good moderating, nor the success of the team, though both of those things certainly help the process along. You see great conversation here because this site was built around the idea that great conversation is vital to us as individuals and a community. You have something meaningful to say. You have an interpretation of our communal experience that widens our horizons and helps us understand the world in a different way than we would have had you remained silent. Your voice as a fan, as a Blazer fan, matters. We’ve all seen what it’s like when that ideal fades. We know now that what we used to take for granted needs to be treasured, for it can be lost. We have a responsibility to live up to that ideal…to make our words as meaningful and true as we can manage. Whether they realize it consciously or not, people pursuing that here is what makes the conversation good.
In the end, it wasn’t exactly rocket science…for the team or for us. People just wanted to know that their voice still made a difference. Thank goodness we appear to have people in the organization who figured that out. Maybe in some small way sites like this one helped. In any case, both the team and its fans are beyond the need to parse all of this out on a regular basis now and can get about the business of playing hard, rooting hard, and just having fun with it, which is exactly as it should be. It never hurts every once in a while to remember your roots, however. It helps re-frame the significance of all of the things we talk about and all of the ways we talk about them.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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What did you do to the font?
Ok, I’ll read it now. But since it’s different, I thought it might be an oversight you might want to fix.
Besides, it gave me an excuse to be first without saying so.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
One of the frustrating things
about this new 2.0 format is that it REALLY SCREWS UP the fonts for no apparent reason. I’m fixing it as we speak. You have no idea what a pain that is.
—Dave
When I rule the world
I’ll give them back to you. Being the nice guy that I am.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
How's that coming along?
The whole ruling of the world bit? Got a secret lair yet? You can’t rule the world until you have a secret lair…with quasi-futuristic clothing…
by DonkeyShins on Jul 10, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You're forgetting
As I’ve said, I’ll be a different kind of world ruler. Everyone else who tried it attempted world conquest. I won’t need to, for me it will be rulership by acclamation. I’ll rule the world because the world begs me to do so.
So I won’t need a secret lair. Mine, which won’t be secret at all, will be the Rose Garden.
Sure, there will be a few disaffected, but it won’t be ME that needs the secret lair, it will be they who must conceal themselves.
They’ll probably all be L@ker fans.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
WOW!
That was one of the most amazing perspective peices I’ve ever read on the subject of why we blog, converse, share thoughts and ideas on not just all things Trailblazers; not on why we love/hate it so much, just why it matters so much. It’s a big thing, this ability you have Dave, to convey what I can only half imagine, and yet am able to get just about every word. Makes me wish the first game of the season was here already…
by balladofgregoden on Jul 10, 2008 2:56 AM PDT reply actions
So what I hear you saying...
is that we blog (or respond to blogs, etc…) because, deep down, we just want to be loved?
(With apologies to Douglas Adams)
"I love this game!" -Moonbeam, from 'Rollerball' right before he was knocked into a permanent coma
Or we want TO love
and share why we love with others who love.
"We will do nice things!" - Rudy, 07/01/08
Lovely.
Just lovely.
"I love this game!" -Moonbeam, from 'Rollerball' right before he was knocked into a permanent coma
"Most people see the problem of love primarily as that of being loved rather than that of loving, of one's capacity to love."
Words from the interesting book “The Art of Loving” by Erich Fromm. Good read. I read it 20 years ago but still remember the first step: love yourself before you try to love others or to be loved by others.
The Midnight Rambler
I used to love myself
but my dad said it was bad for me
(My TiH moment….sorry)
Mortimer: "It’ll be so nice I’ll need microfracture—ON MY WEINER."
by 92wastheyear on Jul 10, 2008 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I thought you could be TiH ´til the last line. I like it.
We go to school and colleges for profesional future but never take time to learn to be fathers.
The Midnight Rambler
Perception
As a native Oregonian (aka Blazer fan) who has spent most of the last decade living outside the Beaver State, I felt about the JailBlazer era the same as I do about the Bush years. When abroad, people from other countries notice you are an American and make a certain assumption that you are a dim-witted dupe hung-up on theocratic nonsense and low-brow understandings of the American Universe. You have to speak up, let people know not all Americans are blind sheep.
As a Blazer fan, I had to (HAD to) explain to people outside Portland that the Trail Blazers were an upstanding organization (at one point) and as soon as we booted out (a different guy named) W, we would be on the right track.
Whether it was Damon trying to bring pot wrapped in metal through an airport or George W calling the Pope’s visit “pretty awesome,” it’s important, I think, to represent the civility and intelligence inherent in a society that these acts lack.
Thus, I don’t mind refraining from flame wars and foul language in public spaces such as this. It’s a matter of public perception and proper conduct. And any F^#-wit who don’t like it can kiss my @$x%x.
RipCity -- now, now ...
Heh.
Whether it was Damon trying to bring pot wrapped in metal through an airport
Every time I am reminded of this, I think of Derek Smalls (Harry Shearer) cucumber scene from ‘This is Spinal Tap’. Not PTB related, I know. But worth a giggle.
by DonkeyShins on Jul 10, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Referencing quality...
There are a lot of terrible blogs/message boards scattered across the internet. Dave brings incredible quality to the main page, but don’t underestimate the simple site rules as a factor and foundation either (yep, Dave’s rules). Knowing from the outset that profanity, trolling and flaming are not allowed and encouraging civility is more than lip service. Controlling it when it happens, or looks like it is heading that way, is just as important. Once the atmosphere is established, it builds upon itself. The troll is now the outsider, not the norm. A poster is encouraged to invest more time and thought into what they do. Continued quality in posts attracts more quality posters.
That said, one other thing I have seen elsewhere that I believe builds upon this same concept is requiring posters to use their real names to further break down the barrier of anonymity that gives license to flame . I participate in another message board that does, and it is probably the best community of knowledge, ideas and civility I have seen on the internet (entirely different genre, and likely, generation). I’m not advocating the name thing here, just tossing that out to support the argument that civility is key to quality.
As always, great job, Dave.
by lukeyhere on Jul 10, 2008 7:48 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
But it's much more FUN to taunt "BlazersDieNasty" than to exchange ideas with a willfully clueless 14 year old...
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
cursing
I don’t curse on the website because Dave is a holy man and I don’t want to get banned from doing the jersey contests.
I've pondered the issue a bit since the original post yesterday...
................................... is it Dave’s Disneylandesque standard of verbal decorum that is responsible for quality content? Or are the bowdlerization of “real” language and the blossoming of solid posting independent?
There’s definitely a certain segment of BE faithful that believe that the elimination of pottymouth, anything resembling pottymouth, anything simulating pottymouth, somehow CAUSES or NOURISHES content.
I think I’ve got evidence for independence of content and language, however—the website Daily Kos, which offers a similar cornicopia of reader-generated content and commentary, but puts up no artificial barriers to language.
So you can still be supportive of Dave’s G-rated standards, that’s your right. Just don’t tell me that it’s this verbal puritanism that is RESPONSIBLE for solid content.
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"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
I think you're wrong
of course. If we ever agree, the world will end.
There’s a lot of childish silly stuff on Kos to go with the content.
Colorful language doesn’t discourage thoughtful content. But banning it eliminates a lot of rubbish content.
So does the requirement to treat others with respect.
When you limit the rubbish, you attract more thoughtful people. And when someone can expect more thoughtful responses than “so’s your face”, they are motivated to put more thought into what they write, too.
In other words, the rules don’t create thoughtful interaction, but they help to encourage it.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
Yeah
I love cuss word but they are trashy. I wouldn’t want to hang out at an establishment with Blazer fans, if the place was trashy, in the bad way. I might want to visit, but I wouldn’t want to be a regular.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
Disagree, timbo
Tell me a single example of when profanity has raised the level of discourse. I wouldn’t even bother coming here if people ran off their mouths like they do at Kos. People talk all the time about offensive hate speech but when it comes to a Christian who finds foul language offensive they could care less about offending them.
Hi Friend
I was just wondering if you could share with me, the words you find most offensive. Like I said, I’m just wondering.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
The usual suspects I guess
The ones that got you in trouble at school if the teacher heard you (or used to, anyway).
Awe
I wanted to learn something new. Thanks though. I think the last new cuss word I learned was when I was still in high school, when my dad was changing a starter out of his car. He called the starter a $%^#-breathed piece of $#@. The first word was for a male appendage. I still use the word to this day.
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 11, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll share two offensive ones
but I’ll modify them slightly. I know Dave says not to do this, but since you asked I think it will be ok.
L@kers
K*be
Those aren’t the most offensive, but their putridity ensures they’re right up there.
(I diluted the profanity in this post by including an example of the proper use of their/they’re/there, so that those who were offended could at least find some value in the post.)
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
Hahahhahha. You multi-tasker you. That's why you rule the cosmos except for earth.
“(I diluted the profanity in this post by including an example of the proper use of their/they’re/there, so that those who were offended could at least find some value in the post.)”
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
I think that was Sheed on the Chandelier.....
I remember because the bit was sooooo dumb. Not as bad as the D. Miles Franz Bread
commercial though.
2-4 the who
but the greatest blazer commercial...
was the great number 11 melodically musing that
“wis russ humbahston, you can mees”
michelle you look good tonight.. ANYTHING IS POSSIBAAAAAAAAAAL!
blazermania...
as a kid i remember running out & screaming to all of Gladstone when we (yes, we) won the championship. it was a “we” thing back then.
during high school i worked for the Blazers. due to all the sell-outs, they did simulcasts at the Fox Theater. i had the pleasure of running the scoreboard.
i’m glad things have turned around, but i still miss hearing the Schonz! at least i can go play my “Red Hot & Rollin’” album & re-live the glory years. my hope is that the glory years are back!
This blog succeeds where others fail...
because the blog posts are clearly made by someone/people who really LOVE the Blazers. It shows in the posts, and that naturally attracts readers who also LOVE the Blazers, rather than just follow them. I don’t care what anybody says, Blazer fans are a different breed.
Why this site rules...
1) Dave is an excellent admin who takes his role seriously and does it well.
2) Dave’s also an excellent writer, who generates good quality content.
3) A strong “no jerk” rule, and a corresponding absence of jerks. Nothing ruins a social networking site like a persistent jerk. I’ve seen a few other forums in which I participate ultimately fail because of intelligent jerks (the sort who generally produce excellent content, but are rude to others-the Internet equivalent of a Stephon Marbury or Barry Bonds) who were tolerated under the guise of openness, or because the stuff they did produce was useful. (Stupid jerks are far less of a problem, as seldom do people have a problem with booting those who are obnoxious but don’t contribute anything useful).
4) A good topic! One that interests a lot of people, and is enjoyable to write about.
5) Speaking of jerks-the o-live forum does provide a useful function: It’s an attractive honeypot that keeps all the flies in one place, FTMP.
6) Good connections. One other Good Thing about Dave is he’s well connected in the blogging community-resulting in lots of inbound likes. Guys like Henry Abbott read this site and like to it frequently. (Though I’ve got a question-is there any rule in blogger etiquette that makes it a no-no for one blogger to link to another blogger’s fanposts or comments, as opposed to the “main” content? ) Dave also has good relations with the Trail Blazers, and the Oregonian.
7) Since Dave is a minister, it’s also possible that we have God on our side-would explain the ‘07 draft lottery. Sorry, Brandon-it wasn’t you who was the ringer that got us Oden. It was Reverend Dave. :)
8) Some props to SB Nation, who do a good job running this sort of site. BE isn’t the only high-quality fansite hosted by SB Nation, after all, though we’re clearly the bestest.
9) This is truly a community blog, and that’s understood by all. Some blogs are all about the blogger, and the comments section exists only for readers to comment on his wisdom. (And if the blogger is a good one; that often works—Henry Abbott’s blog isn’t really a community blog, but it excels).
10) A good ratio of on-topic to off-topic. Gratiuously off-topic stuff is generally discouraged, but the occasional foray into the off-topic adds color and assists with community-building.
by EngineerScotty on Jul 10, 2008 10:41 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Not sucking up...
...bribery.
Dave now owes me a beer; payable next time I visit Idaho. :)
by EngineerScotty on Jul 10, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Great stuff Dave
I hope SLCDunk catches up some day.
http://www.slcdunk.com/2008/7/10/568785/if-you-read-one-thing-toda
by Basketball John on Jul 10, 2008 10:45 AM PDT reply actions
I need to write a fanpost about this
We might not have the biggest fan base, but we do have the best fan base.
What a homer! How dare he say they have the best fans?
(Just kidding. I kill me.)
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
How many times
will you kill you before you are dead? Just wondering, you don’t seem to be very good at it.
Or is this the ghost of TiH posting?
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
I was cloned
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 11, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
You will never catch up
1. You don’t have the Blazers.
2. You don’t have Dave.
3. You live in SLC, for crying out loud.
4. You don’t have us, the BEdgers.
Sorry, you’re doomed. I hope you have a good blog, I hope you have a good community, and have lots of fun, and finish second in the division year after year. In fact, I hope you finish just a few games behind us every year. As my parents used to tell me, it would help you build character. But you’re doomed, both in basketball and in blogdom, to be second best. Sorry, but that’s life.
Second would be a nice prize for you to strive for, though. Best of luck.
Oh, by the way, I like to tell visitors from other blogs this little fact, just to encourage them: KP is stockpiling so much talent that someday, the Blazers’ D league team will win the NBA Eastern Conference.
All kidding aside, best of luck to you with your blog. If some of us come over there and post from time to time, will we be welcomed or slammed?
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
OK. On a complete aside
I went to graduate school with the son of the man who wrote ‘Year Without a Santa Claus’ (William Keenan). It was a source of much humor.
Also a reflection of our enviroment.....
After traveling across this country many times I have come to realise just how unique Portland is. We are very fortunate to live here, it truely is like no place else. The members of this blog, like the members of our community just seem to “get it” a bit more than joe-usual, at least for the most part.
thank you Dave for representing our community in such a respecfull manner, we are very fortunate.
"Rudy Fernández ha confirmado hoy que la próxima temporada jugará en el Portland Trail Blazers"
Thanks
Wow. Thanks for the response, Dave. If I meet someone who needs a term paper written by the next day, I’ll send ‘em your email… :)
Living in Portland, there was a palatable buzz after we won the lottery last spring. Some were converted to giddy homers and those who were already such felt vindicated. It felt good to say to skeptics: “no, really this time”. My 30-something girlfriend never watched a sporting event in her life; now she won’t miss a game.
We’re living in a gilded age. We have riches without responsibility. The city is in a fever pitch for a team that lost half its games. Eventually, we’ll drop a playoff series in which we’re favored or find out that we have a Judas in our active roster of 12 apostles. I’m optimistic we’ll be able to raid our karma jar to get through these inevitable times.
There might be a bit of a parallel between online forum management and personnel management. You can read all the business books you want, but at the end of the day, a team takes on the character, values, and priorities of its leader. Not necessarily what they say or do, but who they actually are as a person. The voracity with which Dave speaks of the value of in-depth civil dialog seems to be a big clue as to why this board is successful. It’s personally important to Dave and he walks the walk in his own writing.
Perhaps one reason for the high quality fanposts and comments is due to the dearth of outlets for people to express complex viewpoints or have healthy debate. Not just about the Blazers, but for a range of topics. Maybe your coworkers aren’t inclined or your spouse isn’t up for it. I wonder how much thoughtful, pent up analysis there is in society that’s won’t come out sans thoughtful listeners, as we have on this board? Would any of us be writing the posts we are without the knowledge that at least one person we respect will read them?
Are there others who can count on one hand (or one finger) the outlets they have for thoughtful dialog?
by Engineering Problem on Jul 10, 2008 12:12 PM PDT reply actions
Usually
those who want thoughtful dialog find outlets for it.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
I use a soapbox in a street corner
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 11, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you find an outlet for it?
I’ve never tried to plug in a soapbox.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
It's powered by love
"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment
by tominhawaii on Jul 12, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Dave
I grew up idolizing Clyde Drexler. I wore his stitched autographed hat from 3rd to 5th grade. I bought all of the Dairy Queen cups. Some of my fondest memories were driving up to Ptown w/ my Dad, eating Tony Roma’s and taking the bus from there to the game.
When the Jail Blazer era bloomed I felt completely disconnected. I tried to follow my favorite team with the same enthusiasm, but the team rather the organization no longer seemed to embody what I thought it stood for. Though my fanhood dwindled for a time I always looked for a way to get excited about the team again but the spark was gone. That is until the season they drafted Brandon Roy. There was something about choosing a guy with character and class to match his game that spoke to my inner boyhood fandom. Since that point my fanhood has reemerged as I once again feel connected to my favorite team.
I appreciate you addressing the viewpoints of both the “fair-weather fan” and the “perennial fan”. I’ve often struggled with the whole “fair-weather fan” idea as I have categorized as one usually by the “perennial fan”. After reading this post I perceive that most perennial fans are innately defensive about their fanhood since they’ve had to defend it during the bad eras and therefore probably feel justified in putting down the fans that were disconnected during said eras.
I think that one is neither higher nor lower than the other….Just think that we should all appreciate the different levels of fanhood out of mutual respect.
Not sure I made sense….
I didn't mean to turn you on
by dukedee on Jul 10, 2008 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You made sense
Here’s the way I think of it:
—Without the diehard fan hanging on during that era the Blazers may well have moved and their legacy been lost.
—Without the discriminating fan refusing to take any more and voting with their dollars/interest the Blazers may never have had incentive to change.
We needed both and we got both. Thank goodness we’re in a much better place now and we can all enjoy the team without having to employ those distinctions.
—Dave
Blazer Thoughts grew up out of those days...
But what I remember was besides celebrating success and mourning failure, was loads of apprehension. The arena situation, would the team be sold, would it be moved…yet for all that there were also enough glimmers of hope for the future that kept us going. That and support from each other.
What that has evolved into now is amazing, especially in the recent light of the Sonics-no-more.
Wonderful post Dave. Hats off to you.
Koponen - PG of the future. Book it.

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