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Portland Fan/Seattle Fan: An Exercise in Feeling Sorry for Oneself

This is an email conversation between a native Portlander and a native Seattlite regarding the experience of being a fan in both cities. I posted it because I thought it was interesting and somewhat humorous. I censored the graphic portions and edited out my friend’s name. I chose to call him “Pim” because it’s the name of a character from an excellent Samuel Beckett novel and also because I thought it was funny in this context (I was going to call myself “Pom” but decided against it for clarity’s sake). Anyway this is long and convoluted but hopefully someone will be touched by it and, like, be motivated to perform their own personal Tuesdays With Morrie. Or something.

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Pim, 

Just found statistical evidence to prove a former thesis: Over the past two years no team in the NFL has compiled fewer personal foul penalties than the Seattle Seahawks. A credit to Holmgren as a disciplinarian? Or a team of enormous [pansies]? I think we know which it is.

-NBF

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NBF, 

I hate to admit it, it pains me, but I don't disagree with you. Lately I've found myself really resenting Seattle. I was born there, I have friends and family there, I enjoy being in the city, but somehow I have these illogical ill feelings toward the people and the city in general.

Last time I was in Seattle I bought the new Steve Malkmus album from a record store on capital hill. The guy at the counter said something snide, something about never living up to Pavement, like that is a fair criticism of anybody or anything. Even though I have no serious pride in Portland as a city—especially our music scene, which I could give two [craps] about—I was pissed off and felt the need to say something mean about Seattle. I could have made a Kurt Cobain blowing his brains out joke, but I settled for something about how much Band of Horses was pushing the envelope. When I really consider it, I don't care what anyone says about Portland, but when Seattle tries to act superior, I can't help but lash out against the general failures of the city.

Maybe I'm bitter about the poor city planning (traffic, monorails, the [freaking] EMP) but deep down I suppose it has something to do with sports. In my entire life, I've never had a team I was invested in win any top honors (my high school's basketball team won the state championship, but I hated my high school so I felt very little pride or joy).  Never a World Series, a Superbowl, an NBA title, or an NCAA championship. All I know is loss. I blame Seattle for this, but instead of taking it out on the teams I can't help but root for, I just take it out on the citizens: I bag on their music, their coffee, their breweries, etc… Collateral damage, I guess.

I can't argue with your hypothesis. Seattle's franchises—probably from the top down—are a bunch of [pansies]. Now and then they demonstrate some testicles—Griffey scores from first, Alexander rushes for 1,800 yards, Kemp fathers 18 illegitimate children in a single season—but did I ever think we'd take the Superbowl from the Steelers? Was I shocked when our foray into the postseason didn't lead to a pennant? Did I really think Kemp would pass Screamin' Jay Hawkins? Yeah, you're right—[pansies]. But for better or worse, no matter how much I bitch and project, they're my [pansies]. 

-Pim

 

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Pim, 

I actually envy you your geographical alliances. Seriously, growing up in Portland was good for crushing Trailblazer defeat after crushing Duck defeat. While it did turn me on to basketball (which I seriously consider the single greatest spectator sport in the world) it made me grasp at straws as far as teams to follow. The Detroit Tigers because my dad worked there. The 49ers because Joe Montana was the quarterback and all my Catholic cousins went to Notre Dame. The Colts because my grandpa mentioned them on his deathbed (!). The Ducks because three of my uncles are alums (I have one Beaver uncle). The Florida Gators because my mom found a baseball hat with their defunct logo on it for three dollars. You can see how desperate it can get.

Throughout all of this, though, Seattle was represented by my classmates as the logical choice for my surrogate fandom. You know, just substitute the Seahawks and Mariners for the sports Portland didn't have and still root with all your heart against the Sonics. This made zero sense to the grade school me but in a way I kind of fell for it. At least half of it. The Mariners were likeable losers and occasional [screw-up] successes. I followed them haphazardly and got really excited when they put together decent seasons. 

That said, I [freaking] hate the Seahawks with all of my heart. My friends were all Seahawks fans, but I just didn't get it. Dave Krieg? Steve Largent? When the most talented and recognizable player in your team's history is a white receiver you know you are the buffet tapioca pudding of the NFL. And I fancied myself a white receiver for [gosh] sakes! And don't get me started about Curt Warner. Without even mentioning his legacy of owning small car dealerships in the Seattle burbs he loses points for sharing a name with the evangelical hero of the "Greatest Show on Turf." The only player who can get away with "giving" a championship to God is David Robinson. Look, I can't explain it, it just feels right to me.

Anyway, I don't have any pity for you with the "no championship" thing because championships are totally foreign to my experience. I just can't imagine one in the NW. I don’t envy your geological alliances because of the potential for ultimate success, I envy you your geographical alliances because they have offered you some of the most entertaining teams in recent history—which to me in my "no championship" universe is the apex of sports fandom. Seriously, those Glove, Reign Man, and Shrempf Sonics teams were some of the most exhilarating I've ever seen, and that's coming from the perspective of someone who absolutely hated them. Comparing their star power to the imminently unlikable Clyde Drexler still makes me jealous. When the 2001 Mariners hit their stride they were unstoppable, one of the most memorable baseball teams ever—even though I knew the whole time they'd never pull it off in the playoffs. These are the kinds of things that a Portland fan wishes for. Mull that over for a minute.

The only thing I really feel bad for you about is the Seahawks. I really cannot think of a less exciting sports franchise in any sport. In between the legacy of halfway decent balding white quarterbacks, the give-up attitude of the team's star, and the long term employment of [alleged] date rapist Jerramy Stevens—seriously, rooting for this team is like kicking yourself in the nuts every Sunday.

This is all so disjointed. I'll just end by saying being a sports fan in the Northwest is reconciling yourself to the prospect of giving up all chances of ultimate fulfillment and settling for the thrill of transcendent one-game performances. Like the Blazers perfect quarter. Or the Mariners (near-perfect) season

Just do yourself a favor and go YouTube "Shawn Kemp mixtape." Seriously, you'll thank me afterwards.

-NBF

 

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that's a lot of reading

Sorry but could someone tell me if this is worth reading, there are a lot of words on there, could anybody sum it up so I can decide to read it or not?

Both Teams Played Hard
Both Teams Played Hard
Both Teams Played Hard

by Kelsoballa on Jul 1, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

lol i dont like reading alot either

Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
Watch my brandon roy vid

by CroRupt on Jul 1, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is totally one hundred percent worth reading every word

And this is coming from someone who read the whole thing.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on Jul 1, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is totally one hundred percent worth reading every word

And this is coming from someone who’s neither read the whole thing nor wrote the whole thing.

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 2, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's Mostly About..

how reading is retarded and how people who use fancy words are [pansies]. It also puts on airs on FOREVER with high-toned stuff like “I don’t come to the internet for information, intellectual challenges or insights into other people’s perspectives”. There’s an interesting point about rising levels illiteracy and laziness, though.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 1, 2008 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

You know,

I realize know how I’ve let my natural gift for sarcasm atrophy. It comes of spending too much time in the “helping” professions, reconciling oneself to the idea that human failure is my bread and butter. So I don’t mock it the way I used to. The way it deserves. Thank you for showing the way. I’m feeling much better now.

I’m serious.

by raoulduke on Jul 1, 2008 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Remind your friend about Brandon Roy – the Fusky everyone in the northwest can agree on!

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 1, 2008 5:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As someone who has spent many years in both cities

I read this and didn’t know what the real point was. I love the Trailblazers, Ducks, Mariners and Seahawks. Those are my teams now and forever. I root for the other teams from the NW when applicable. I think there is a national buy-ist against the Pacific Northwest where sports are concerned and that we’ve been screwed more times than we all would like to admit.

So some guy insulted some other guy about some band called Pavement?

To that I say…

Don’t let the Sonics move.

by Blazersaurus on Jul 1, 2008 8:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

pleez tell me ur joking abowt expecting him to no hoo sum band naimd payvment is

"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
Mom

by ptwnblzr on Jul 2, 2008 4:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're like Soul Asylum, Cake, or Presidents of the United States of America

Only less popular and more of a 3/4th hit wonder.

Maybe I should add Tad, Mother Love Bone, Screaming Trees, & Mudhoney. They’re not bad, just not known.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2008 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd agree with you

Except Pavement doesn’t sound like any of those bands.

And they had a legitimate hit, “Cut Your Hair,” that was in the MTV rotation pretty hard back in the day.

Heck, they were even featured in an episode of Beavis and Butthead.

Maybe this is an age difference thing? Like, if you are old enough to remember a NW championship, you’re too old to care about Pavement?

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on Jul 2, 2008 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm 36

Lived in Bremerton from 1992-1996 and liked all the bands I mentioned except Pavement. They reminded me of Cake and I only had room for Cake in my CD collection.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2008 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

I don’t like PUSA more. My title was more of a list of NW 1 Hit Wonders.
Cake’s really not that good either. I just like them because before they were “big” I played pool with them in a bar in Bremerton before they went on stage. They were swell guys. About two months later Rock ‘n’ Roll Lifestyle was all the rage on the college radio stations.

I like King Missile, My Life with the Thrill Kill Cult, KMFDM, New Order, Nancy Griffith, Allison Krauss, NIN, Nirvana, Silversun Pickups, GWAR (just kidding), Jesus and Mary Chain, They Might Be Giants, Me First and the Gimee Gimees, Teddybears, Foo Fighters, Johnny Cash, Morphine, and some other bands I’m forgetting. I like a lot of punk, industrial, new wave, progressive, rock, rap, R & B, old country, blues, soul, and bluegrass. Just never got into Pavement.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2008 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're not the first guy to tell me Cake are decent fellows

It’s really too bad I found their music so abrasive.

Too bad you’re joking about GWAR. I could’ve worked in a joke about the GWURM.

I like a lot of [pansy] music, but we do align at points. Some favorites not on your list are Neutral Milk Hotel, Pavement (obviously), Magnetic Fields, NWA, Actually anything Ice Cube did back in the day, Geto Boys, Dead Prez, Hank Williams the first, Dylan, etc.

If you ever have a spare 35-45 minutes, give Crooked Rain Crooked Rain a spin. For maximum effect pretend you are sixteen and are convinced you have messed up your life forever and you will never amount to anything.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on Jul 2, 2008 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll try that

I realized I forgot Frank Black/Pixies. I love those guys. I saw GWAR in concert in Orlando, it was hilarious. I was pretty much soaked head to toe in fake blood at the end of the show. Genitorturers opened up for them. They’re a little crazy.

I’m not a Kid Rock fan but I saw him in concert in Portland and he’s probably the best showman I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching. He put on a fantastic show. I have only been to two concert here, The Police and Jake Shimabukuro. Sat outside a Jack Johnson concert at the Waikiki Shell once with some hippies.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 2, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Pixies are obviously great

I mean, how could such a homely band attract so many fans otherwise?

I had never heard that about Kid Rock before but now am intrigued. Best showman I’ve ever known in my life is Tim Harrington of Les Savy Fav. Dude performed the first show I ever saw of his wearing a gorilla glove and soaked in beer (that he poured over himself from a glowing skull). Furthermore, he climbed the windows at the Crystal Ballroom and tore the curtains down. Then he jumped into the crowd, stole a woman’s purse, and humped it relentlessly for the rest of the performance. I know it sounds like I made that up but I swear I didn’t.

Other highlights…Jarvis Cocker at the Showbox (I

Actually, forget that last one.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on Jul 2, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah..

I’ve always considered Pavement to be a lot closer to the Sonic Youth, Pixies, etc. camp; i.e. more Velvet Underground, less B-52s. Quasi’s also a great Portland band, if you ask me.

@nbf – If you like Neutral Milk Hotel, I would, without hesitation, recommend checking out other bands in the Elephant 6 collective. The Olivia Tremor Control is one of my all-time favorite bands, and Elf Power, the Essex Green, the Sunshine Fix, etc. are stone-cold killers, as well. CRCR was on heavy rotation in my 16-year-old phase, for sure.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am familiar with the Elephant 6 collective.

And I like most of the bands, just not as much as NMH. Musically I think they’re all about a push. But Jeff Mangum’s lyrics are unbelievably smart. I sometimes wonder if I’ll encounter a songwriter as talented as him in my lifetime.

You know about Reykjavik!? A kid Mangum is currently producing. I wouldn’t describe it as “good,” but it’s certainly listenable. And the answer to a trivia question, I suppose.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on Jul 2, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah..

I found out about a song by NMH accolyte Seamonster via Said the Gramophone – he wears his E6-ness on his sleeve, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing, right? Plus, it’s awesome mixtape fodder. I haven’t really stopped listening to it since I found it. You can check it out/download it here:
http://www.toddbot.com/seamonster/ (scroll a little to the White Whale EP)

Also, this page is pretty indespensible for non-album NMH tracks:
sashwap/media.html” target=”new”>http://www.the-collective.net/sashwap/media.html

This sub-thread kind of made my day.

Yours in taste, apparently,

—12sharks

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dang It

sashwap/media.html” target=”_blank”>http://www.the-collective.net/sashwap/media.html

That’s the link, via cut-and-paste.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tildes Be Damned..

http://tinyurl.com/5o235r

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 2, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing.

I liked Quasi a lot better when it was just a two-person gig. I don’t know why Malkmus’ wife had to gum up the works.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on Jul 2, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Steve Largent Blast! Oh no he didn't

I honestly discounted everything he said after that. He is the only Seahawk I’ve ever liked.

by tweener on Jul 1, 2008 9:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No titles?

What about the Sonics in 1979? Or were you guys not born yet? Jack Sikma, Dennis Johnson (RIP), Gus Williams, Paul Silas, Downtown Freddie Brown, Coach Lenny Wilkens, (former Blazer towel waver) Wally Walker?

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 1, 2008 10:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bingo Bango Bongo

Not alive, not alive, not alive, and not alive.

No titles. Only crushing, knock-the-wind-out-of-your-chest defeat.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on Jul 1, 2008 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well..

You had that whole Dikembe upset, that was pretty – oh, right..

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 1, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll pass that on to my friend. He’ll probably have something to say about the 2000 WCF, though. Just so you know.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on Jul 1, 2008 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well you just haven’t lived, if you haven’t seen sights like Downtown Freddie Brown jacking up shots from one step inside of the half court line, or pasty white pudgy guys like Tommy Heinsohn winning an NBA title… as a player.

2000 WCF? Dikembe? Ha! Try rooting for Cleveland sports teams (The Drive, The Fumble, Jose Mesa, Red Right 88, etc. etc. Ad Nausem, all while continuing to get clubbed by the nation because your river caught fire 40 years ago). Seattle has only scratched the surface of sports misery.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 1, 2008 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It Seems Like..

Heartbreaking losses and disappointment are something of a Cleveland identity, wouldn’t you say? Sort of a Drew Carey lovable loser thing.. Seattle, on the other hand, is one of the blandest sports cities I can think of. I’d wager that Seattle fans would take on a persona of misfortune over a non-persona any day.

Then again, what do I know.. I bet both of those cities totally suck. I heard Cleveland’s river caught fire and Kurt Cobain killed himself.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 1, 2008 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Riiight.

If you’d rather find a five dollar bill on the ground than have the team from your city win the championship, it doesn’t count.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 2, 2008 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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