Where would Greg & Rudy be in this year's draft?
by grigs on Jun 5, 2008 4:47 PM PDT
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PrintI sent a note to Jonathon Givony of DraftExpress.com asking him where Greg Oden and Rudy Fernandez would be drafted if they were in the draft this year. His response:
- "Oden #1, Rudy probably top-15."
We could potentially have the best rookie class next year without ever using our first round pick.
Has anyone else seen any handicapping of where Rudy or Greg would be in this year's draft by other draft analysts?
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This is kinda obvious
They are still being qualified by their achievements in college and europe b/c still neither has played an NBA game
so why would the opinion change?
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Sorry i didn't mean for that 2 come across rude
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KP has said
that Rudy would be a top-five pick in this year’s draft. IMO Greg would still go #1 overall, knee injury and all.
Really?
Would Oden with his suspect knee and other health problems reall be ranked above Rose and Beasley and Mayo. I thik his bad knee would make some GMs think twice about making him # 1.
Just my opinion, obviously
but yes, I think that Oden would still be ranked above Rose, Beasley, and Mayo. To borrow a point from Dave, we heard about Rose and Beasley this year; we’ve heard about Oden since he was a junior in high school. That’s a big difference. Oden is a once-in-a-decade big man prospect; Rose, Beasley, and Mayo are not. In the unlikely event that any of the guards approach Chris Paul’s stratosphere…well, Chris Paul is awesome, but Tim Duncan’s team still bounced him from the playoffs. It’s still a big man’s game.
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 6, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus
It was an old Tim Duncan, against a playing-better-than-any-6-footer-ever Chris Paul. Chris Paul will always be more than a handfull, but big men are always the trump card. GOOD big men, of course.
Oden would go #1 after the team with the first pick examined his recovery and saw he’s gonna be just fine. He’s considered a mega uber super duper talent for a reason, after all. I think some of us have a hard time believing just how good he’s supposed to be, because we’ve never had a center like that since Walton… and that didn’t end well.
Greg Oden is Greg Oden. He always goes first.
Mortimer
No way Rudy would go outside of Top 10
Draft Express has Gallinari going 6th, and Rudy is a far better prospect according to just about everyone. Gallinari is younger, but not nearly as talented.
I agree 100%
Saying Rudy is top-15 is way too broad. Rudy is a better prospect than the Italian kid, DeAndre Jordan, Eric Gordon, Augustin, Westbrook, Alexander, etc. I prefer the Draft Express dude’s previous statement on the Oregonlive chat, where he says adding Rudy along with Oden isn’t even fair and the Blazers have the BEST front office team for the draft in the NBA.
I mean, totally dude. If the greaseball from Italy is a top 10 pick, Rudy goes right before him to be a top 9 pick, easy.
DON’T THEY KNOW RUDY > MJ???
Mortimer
My Guess
I imagine they would both be in New York for the draft.
"lowest common denominator - every time I think you hit rock bottom you sink it deeper into the shale" -- bow4meow talking about me
There was a poll over at blog a bull
They put Oden, Durant, Rose, and Beasley in a poll and asked who the Bulls would take if those four were in the draft this year.
Oden had like 60 percent of the votes, followed by Durant, Rose, and then Beasley.
The name's Ainge, Danny Ainge. Fear our team; fear it's range.
No longer do we find making the playoffs strange.
We are the chosen, but we don't fear change.
Send us a valid trade offer, and maybe we'll make an exchange. Just don't estrange us by short changing us.
Actually,
the poll has changed since I last saw it. Oden is up to 62%, and Rose is now in second, followed by Durant and then measley Beasley with 4%.
(Props to whoever made the fanshot linking to the poll)
The name's Ainge, Danny Ainge. Fear our team; fear it's range.
No longer do we find making the playoffs strange.
We are the chosen, but we don't fear change.
Send us a valid trade offer, and maybe we'll make an exchange. Just don't estrange us by short changing us.
yeah
Props indeed, it made me very happy to see Oden still in that #1 spot.
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Jun 5, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Why?
Intellectually, it doesn’t make sense that you would be buoyed by the opinion another fanbase had about a player your team has that hasn’t played a SINGLE game in the nba. I also had a uplifting moment when seeing the numbers for the poll, but I don’t understand why, when logically no amount of prognostication is going to change the upcoming reality. Regardless of whether Oden is seen as the best prospect ever or as another sam bowie, it doesn’t change the fact that he has not played a game yet…knowing the team’s history, I hate myself for getting my hopes up about the future of the franchise…
Anyway, I’m sorry for writing such a depressing comment, just had to put it out there.
geez
i think i’m going to go hang myself now. Why did I ever even bother to cheer for the BLazers. The future is dark. So dark.
Does premthegrem ever just give in and be a homer for a few minutes?
You know you want it….you know you envy us…
Join the homers. Feel the power.
The name's Ainge, Danny Ainge. Fear our team; fear it's range.
No longer do we find making the playoffs strange.
We are the chosen, but we don't fear change.
Send us a valid trade offer, and maybe we'll make an exchange. Just don't estrange us by short changing us.
If you're gonna kill yourself
Can I have your stuff first?
"lowest common denominator - every time I think you hit rock bottom you sink it deeper into the shale" -- bow4meow talking about me
if you understand
emotions, then intilectually it really does make sence.
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Celtics over the L*kers, lesser of the 2 evils. But not by much.
im buoyed by other fan bases
because im a fan,, i stand up and cheer when i go to games i dont sit and do calculations or worry if my tie is still in place..were fans man ,,we speak slang and some of us speak the queens english…were fans man..we wont other teams to get queezy when they look at our team..were fans man feel me… were fans… we want oden and rudy in uniform we want the rings.. ..intellectually no player who’s in the draft or ever has been has never played a game,.. every body from george mikan to greg oden had and has to prove themselves..so whats the point…we are fans man
if it can be conceived it can be achieved
by lyfefindsaway on Jun 5, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't like...
...other fans liking your players?
You know that YOU yourself will like guys on your own team, but for other fans to say they’d rather have them too is a high compliment. That’s part of why your emotions tell you that you enjoy seeing others envy us.
I didn’t expect Oden to win the poll, because a #1 pick offers so much hope to a franchise and knowing that it isn’t the best year in the NBA to get the #1 pick would kinda burn and I figured they’d overcompensate by voting for Rose. I like them being honest.
Since all reports say Oden is gonna be just fine, he is buff and rough and tough, and he is Greg Oden, he easily goes #1.
Mortimer
Wow, you got hammered
Intellectuality covers a lot of territory. Often those of in its grasp don’t see the walls. Like Foucault said, “The gaze that see is the gaze that dominates; and although it knows how to subject itself, it dominates its masters.” The depression is dissonance. You feel what a common person feels and you’re special. What’s the logical conclusion? Bingo, depression!!!
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For Rudy
I’d think he would go where Gordon is supposed to go. Since they are both scoring guards, but Rudy has better hight and passing ability. They both have questions about them but Rudy is more of the standard SG verse Gordon.
Joel Freeland=Stud
Is anyone else worried...
Is anyone else worried that Rudy shoots a set shot? It’s the first thing that my girlfriend noticed when she saw highlights of him. She said, “he shoots like a girl.” I said, “I know.” When he’s facing guys his height and quickness, won’t his low release hurt him? Hmm, who is the last highly regarded NBA wing prospect that was skinny and had a slow release? O, crap, Adam Morrison! Rudy looks and plays a little like Adam Morrison. He does. I think he’s a setp quicker, but still… anytime a comparison to Adam Morrison is reasonable, you have to be scared. I hope I am wrong.
legit concen
I share it. However, Rudy seems a lot more explosive and quick than Ammo. Plus, I still think Ammo can become a good scorer in the NBA (he’ll still be a woeful defender though). Ammo’s injury came at a terrible time for him—he really needed a good Soph campaign to show improvement from his rookie year.
Back to Rudy. Like many prospects, he has question marks. He’s a long way from “can’t miss.” However, his upside is nice, and our wagon isn’t hitched to him. Our bright future could withstand Rudy being a bust, as long as Greg pans out.
Boomshakalaka
Agree
Rudy is definitely more athletic than Morrison. It will help that he’s not expected to be a savior of the franchise. I think he can be a really important piece of the Blazers, but I doubt he’ll be the second coming of Ginobili. A more reasonable comparison might be Richard Hamilton. Not bad.
Every year Rudy has had a good, even great, improvement since his 17.
This season he improved his efficieny by 30%. Players use to mature at 26, and Rudy is 23. And he likes challenges.
"If OJ Mayo falls to the 2nd round We should risk one of our 3 second round picks on Mayo". Mortimer.
A set shot is a good thing
I love that he shoots a set shot. As your legs get more and more tired towards the end of the game, you have to adjust a jump shot. A set shot is more consistent and will be more accurate in the 4th quarter. Ginobili shoots a set shot and he is always hitting late game threes.
I'm no basketball expert
but if you’re gonna play off the ball, havig a set shot is not a big problem right? Barbosa’s shot is like thatand he shoots a nice %.
Isn't Tayshaun Prince all skinny and girl like?
Also KG is skinny like a girl. I’m not too worried about his skinniness, American food and Portland beers should make him nice and chubby.
"lowest common denominator - every time I think you hit rock bottom you sink it deeper into the shale" -- bow4meow talking about me
Your schedule, or lack thereof, is as weird as mine.
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Are you stalking me?
I work midnight – 8am Hawaii time. It’s 2 am now.
"lowest common denominator - every time I think you hit rock bottom you sink it deeper into the shale" -- bow4meow talking about me
I work a 12 hr. night shift. I can and do juggle it a couple of hours either way. On my work days
I get 4 to 5 hrs. sleep a day. I usually just sleep when I get tired on my days off. Circadian rhythm is a foreign concept to me.
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Me too
I try to sleep from noon – 7pm because my wife gets home around then. I normally end up sleeping from 1-6. If I go to bed at 9 when I get home, I only sleep until noon. It’s only the first week of the rest of my life on this shift. I’ll find a rhythm after the finals.
"lowest common denominator - every time I think you hit rock bottom you sink it deeper into the shale" -- bow4meow talking about me
I've been doing it for a decade and I still haven't found a rhythm.
Occasionally they give us seminars on how to deal with Alternative Work Schedules. Their advice is don’t drink coffee or alcohol, eat a balanced and nutritious diet, hang black curtains where you sleep and live with it. Also, we’re going to cut your pay because it’s the industry standard. Soon, but not soon enough, I’ll be out of there. Sorry. Too much information.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
Yikes
Maybe I need one of those eye patch things for sleeping. I’ve been freebasing energy drinks and Mtn Dew. I’ve moved onto mainlining coffee. It is just too hard to stay awake on my shift. Those stupid 5 hour energy drinks work about about a half hour.
"lowest common denominator - every time I think you hit rock bottom you sink it deeper into the shale" -- bow4meow talking about me
I suggest tea over coffee.
Not only does it tend to contain a higher amount of caffeine, it’s usually less acidic.
I’d stay away from the energy drinks as well. They rely on sugar and caffeine. The boost you get is temporary and it then causes the system to crash.
Thanks
My plan is to get to a point where I don’t need anything except the occasional cup of coffee or tea.
"lowest common denominator - every time I think you hit rock bottom you sink it deeper into the shale" -- bow4meow
Oden-1, Rudy-top 7
Just shows how lucky we were last year.
I agree with this
If for no other reason that Draft Express has Gallinari at #8. I would think that if Rudy were in this year’s crop, he’d be ahead of Gallinari.
Extending the idea -
where do you think LaMarcus and Roy would go? You can base their position on how they’ve performed in the NBA. (Pretend you had a glimpse into the future.)
I’d say Roy at 4, maybe 3 and Aldridge at 4 or 5.
Oden
Rose
Roy
Aldridge
Beasley
after that, Rudy is in the next 3 with Bayless and Mayo.
If you include the top 6 or 7 guys from the last two drafts, the following guys probably stay in the top ten – Durant, Horford, Conley maybe Jeff Green. That means that out of three conscutive drafts Portland ends up with 3 top ten picks, plus two that are top 15. (Although technically, this year’s 13th pick get’s devalued with the addition of the guys from past drafts.)
We are looking at having possibly 5 of the 15 best palyers to come out of the draft in a 3 year period. No wonder I keep getting attacks of giddiness.
Don't forget Webster
I’ve heard from many people that Web would be a can’t miss top 10 pick if he were in this draft, maybe even 6th overall again.
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Jun 5, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
no way in heck
Aldridge goes before Beas. Just flat out wouldn’t happen. Beas may have had the best statistical frosh season ever. Doesn’t mean he’ll end up being better than LMA. Does mean he’d go higher in the draft.
1) Oden
2) Rose
3) Roy
4) Beasley
5) Durant (still has massive upside)
6) Aldridge
7) Horford
If we’re just taking this year’s draft and adding Oden and Rudy, I’d say Greg goes #1 and Rudy goes somewhere between 6 and 10.
Boomshakalaka
Tweener over Aldridge?!?
You can’t put a tweener over Aldridge, thats just not right, outside of have like a 5 inch standing reach advantage LMA is ten times the citizen and worker.
Joel Freeland=Stud
LMA ten times the worker?
Sorry, no.
Beas is a tireless worker. You don’t pile up those rebounding totals (which dwarf LMA’s) without being a hard worker.
People don’t seem to realize how much better Beasley was than LMA, playing in the same conference. As I say, I’d keep LMA since its unclear how much Beas’ size will hurt him in the league, but Beas’ monstrous freshman year (again, quite possibly the best freshman year of all time) would make him a higher pick.
Boomshakalaka
maybee
I think rose is going over beastly, for good reason. I think that peaples fears about beastlys height might put aldridge over him, might not but still might. if they were coming out at the same time, i would think there would be speculation based on how they played each other. who ever dominated that game would go first. even if beastlys stats were better, if LMA ran him, lamonster would be first i think.
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Walter Berry put up great stats in the Big East and won the college player of the year award
Never Forget
We traded Berry for our next starting center (at the time). 2 Time allstar Kevin Duckworth!!
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I dunno
I get your point, because Beasley’s freshman year was better than Durant’s. And even so, he is maybe gonna fall behind OJ Mayo because everyone is scared off by his “quirkiness”. Even so, out of college I’m sure Beasley goes before LMA.
BUT… the exercise’s rules allowed to take into account LMA and Roy’s NBA play. With his NBA play, LMA has showed he is good and will get a lot better, and combined with his great attitude and work ethic I could see him going in front of Beasley if a team is scared of Beasley’s Beasleyness.
If people weren’t worried by Beasley being so immature and annoying, his stats say he is the no-brainer #1. The fact that he isn’t doesn’t cast him in a favorable light.
Mortimer
No, sorry.
Beasley is a higher rated prospect than LMA and Roy. Beasley is like the mutant love child of Amare and Melo. Would I want him more than LMA and Roy? No, but he’d be the pick of 25 out of 30 gms over both of our guys, easily.
by howlingfantods on Jun 6, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh WOW
see its stuff like this that make it hard to contain myself, it is almost unfair for the rest of the league. KP either sleeps real easy or not very well at all. I like your extention, and I mean that in the most platonic way.
"KP IS SUCH A G!" BlazerFan1
I think roy would be maximum four guaranteed...
Durant would be in front of rose. (This is assuming that you have combined the past three draft years.
Oden # 1
Bulls bloggers were wishing they had Oden and bashing the poster of that poll because they wanted to not think about missing out on Oden.
With just Oden and Rudy added I would say
Oden #1
Durant #2
Rose #3
Beasley #4
Mayo #5
Bayless #6
Rudy #7
Ha!
The pol numbers have increased for Oden again. Now he’s up to 68%. But I suppose you already knew that because you yourself just clicked on the link.
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