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Early Season Rotation & Minute Distribution

I've been a longtime lurker, but this is my first post to BlazersEdge.

I've been giving a lot of thought to the roster and distribution of minutes for the upcoming season. We have a wealth of young talent that need minutes to develop, but the time to win is also upon us. I'm not sure that these goals are mutually exclusive, but they certainly present challenges to one another.

In thinking about the roster I started to play with what my ideal distribution of minutes would be if I were coaching the team. It quickly became apparent that the rotation needs to be no more than 10 deep, even if our roster goes deeper. It also became clear that you would need to look at the season in pieces, I would hope that some of the younger players will play well enough to demand more minutes as the season moves on.

Here is a look at what I came up with (see larger version here):

As you can see I've taken a look at both total player minutes in a typical 48 minute game, and how I would distribute the minutes by position. At each position the first player listed would be my starter (blue on the charts), with the reserves listed below.

At small forward I would give Outlaw more minutes than Webster, and my thinking at the moment would be to start him as well. I think you could make a strong argument for starting Webster but keeping Outlaw's minutes the same, I would reserve judgment until I could see which mixes better with Rudy in the second unit. The common opinion I hear among Blazer fans is that Outlaw should start, but I could see Webster getting an awful lot of good open looks on the starting unit. If he would be more aggressive in getting to the hole and locking down on the defensive end every time down the floor he could easily gain more minutes. Travis is our x-factor, and if he is working as hard this summer as the propaganda suggests he could be in for another big step forward this season. I'd like to see him be more consistent in his spot up J, and see the floor a bit better.

The power forward position is much clearer and leaves little room for debate. Clearly you want LA on the floor as much as possible, while taking care not to wear him out too early in the season. Frye is an excellent backup, but the simple reality is that he is not going to take minutes from Aldridge. His best bet for more minutes is probably to play well enough to steal a few from Joel at the 5.

In the middle the only real question is how well G.O. can stay out of foul trouble. I expect that to be the primary limiting factor to his minutes, especially early in the season. I took a look at other 5's and dominate 4's that were taken with early lottery picks and found that most average around 35-37 minutes in their rookie season. Based on that I put Oden at 32 for the early part the season with the hope that will improve as the season moves along. Joel figures to be one of (if not the) best backup centers in the league. If the guy ever grew a pair of hands he could be a monster!

The shooting guard position gets interesting. If our young Spaniard comes even close to living up to the hype you have to find him minutes. That, of course, means he and Roy will have to play together. I would be very tempted to try Brandon in a point forward type of role at the 3 if Rudy demands more than 24 minutes a game. For now I'm going forward with the assumption that 24 minutes is reasonable for Rudy,    which means Brandon would be playing about 11 minutes a game at the point. I have notched Roy's minutes back just a bit in the interest of preserving him for a very long season.

At the point I would clearly start Blake on opening night. He is very steady, and people forget that he is also a very efficient spot up shooter from downtown (only Webster made more 3's last season). That said, I do see his minutes being reduced by about 7 per game early in the season and probably even more as it goes on. As I've already stated I see 11 minutes a game for Brandon at the 1, which leaves 14 for the rookie. My hope would be that Bayless will command more minutes as the season progresses.

That leaves some interesting names out of the regular rotation. As much as I appreciate what he did for us this past season, it is clear there are just no minutes for Mr. Jones on this roster. It also very clearly shows that if he had remained JJack would have been at best the 10th man, perhaps even the 11th behind Sergio (in place of Bayless in that scenario). Yet another indication of how good a deal the draft day maneuver to obtain Bayless was, getting an excellent prospect without giving up a rotation player. Sergio would be best served by a full season in Idaho if he stays here in my opinion. Put him down there and lets see what he can do with a full season leading a team. (Thanks to jonestr for pointing out in the comments that this is not possible since he cannot be assigned to the DLeague as a third year player.) His confidence level and attitude pretty much guarantee he will not have a place in the Portland rotation next season. (I'm extremely disappointed at his decision to skip Vegas this summer after being dropped form the Spanish Olympic team.) I would also argue the same for the other two young players that are likely to make the 15 man roster; Koponen and Batum. Let them get minutes in the D-League and be ready for the call up in case of injury. That would leave Diogu and the Expiring Contract as the 11th and 12th men on the traveling squad, and Freeland on the outside looking in again.

This has been a very interesting exercise for me. One thing it shows me is there is still some room for some KP tinkering to this roster. Barring unforeseen opportunity (if there is such a thing as something unforeseen by KP) I would tend to vote for letting things be going into the season. I feel that we have a couple of great locker room guys with experience (Blake and Mr. Contract) and some young veterans who are clearly leaders already. If things are going very well and we look like a threat to win a playoff series or two then we pull the trigger on Raef and bring in a big veteran piece at or near the trade deadline. If things are just progressing at a more pedestrian pace or we get bit by the injury bug you give KP a great deal of flexibility to use that cap space to it's best advantage, whether that be at the deadline or in the free agent market next summer. That also gives you a chance to look one last time at the three contracts that need to be dealt with before they come back to haunt us (Webster, Frye, and Diogu) and see how they progress and fit in with Oden, Rudy, and the rest of the new pieces that are in place.

No matter what, I know that I am really looking forward to watching this team along it's journey for the next decade and more. This will be our first season as full season ticket holders (we were on a half season plan), and I can hardly wait to watch games with a playoff atmosphere again in Portland! -Brian

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wow great post

welcome to the Edge. I really like the graph, and it shows you put some time and effort into this post.

I also agree that Martell would fair better on the starting unit b/c other teams are going to be doubling a lot of our players which will leave open looks for Martell. Travis is better at getting his own shot off and would be the star of the bench along with rudy.

I also think the Pryzbilla will play a bigger role in the first half of the season while Greg gets acclimated to NBA play. And Roy will probably get a few more minutes just because Nate loves using him and he is too good of a player not to have on the court.

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jun 30, 2008 11:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

we are deep. very deep. we should probobly look to consolidate a bit with a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 trade.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jun 30, 2008 11:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well we don't know who sucks yet so we should wait on that

If Bayless and Rudy are great then we will have a 3 guard rotation with enough minutes to share.

The thing I’m scared about is that we have 5 players who have the potential to be scoring 20ppg.

Roy
LMA
Oden
Rudy
Bayless

Then we have the second tier who can score 12-15ppg right now
Martell
Travis

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2008 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they all reach their potential

We have to trade away at least 2 of that group. We are so stacked…

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2008 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade for what?

So we can become even more stacked?

by BrewDude on Jul 2, 2008 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oden, Rudy and Bayless...

... won’t be anywhere near 20 ppg next year. All of them could reach that level eventually, but not next year. They are rookies. I totally agree that we will eventually have to trade someone from that group.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2008 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously

But that level of production isn’t too fantastic from where they are projected. In a few years it’s going to be really hard deciding who we should trade.

I should have changed the 2nd tier to who will to make it less confusing but you get the picture.

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2008 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

obviously

the one to trade from that group is roy, but I could see oden going too.

At the very best, bayless could be 20ppg player in 4 years. Likely not going to happen, definitely not in Portland.

by PippenAintEasy on Jul 2, 2008 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously :)

Kevin Pritchard is a 4.0 Draft Day Student

by rmcdougall on Jul 2, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your screen name...

...is something I used to shout at my TV regularly when Pippen did something nice for our team and we were winning a game.

this has been a message from: "The People's Alliance to Keep Comment Boards Sucka Free"

by bforsythe on Jul 2, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If no one else scores, we'd be at 130ppg!

We’d either have to play much faster or hit a higher percentage of shots. I’m all for having the team shoot 80 percent from the floor.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

Chaplain of the Jarrett Jack Fan Club

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on Jul 2, 2008 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you cant send Sergio to the D league

he is now in his third year so he cannot be assigned

TWolves tried to assign that leaper they had a few years back, Ndudi Ebi, but the league wouldnt allow it since he was a 3rd year pro.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 30, 2008 11:49 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Good point jones,

a little OT here, but I had a basketball card of the dude a few years back. It was really creepy. Someone apparently photoshopped the kid and it slipped by all the editors, leaving the general public wondering how good this kid could be with six fingers. Think of the ball handling skills he could have!

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jun 30, 2008 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what about his wingspan? Everyone knows that's what really matters

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2008 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like..

Bayless’ T-Rex arms..

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 1, 2008 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was another guy I liked

and whose card I had a few of.

REX Chapman. Just a darn cool name.

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 1, 2008 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really nice

I was thinking of getting some Blazers cards and making some spoke cards out of them for my hipster fixed gear bike. I was going to go all Blazers but maybe this should top my list.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jul 1, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Point!

I completely forgot that rule regarding D-League assignments. As much as I like Sergio I just don’t see any minutes for him this year. It may be time to move him before he becomes more of a malcontent than he was last year!

by krollb on Jun 30, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can go if he wants to go though...

It looks like a player can go to the Summer league if he wants to even if he is a 3rd year player. From Truehoop: NBA championship, made him decide to participate. “

by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2008 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quote

For some reason my quote from the truehoop piece didn’t make it into my post. Here it is…

“[GM John] Paxson said [Tyrus] Thomas and Joakim Noah will be part of the Bulls’ summer league team, which begins practice Thursday and plays its first game in Orlando on Monday. It is unusual for a player entering his third season, such as Thomas, to take part in summer league. But Thomas said the idea of helping Rose start his career, combined with having witnessed some of the Boston Celtics run to the NBA championship, made him decide to participate. “

by usmcr3049 on Jul 1, 2008 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No he can't

The D-League has different rules than the summer league. Signed players can only play in the D-League for their first two years in the NBA. Sergio is signed and longer in the league. And regarding the summer league, he has already said that he didn’t want to play there (even if he doesn’t make the Olympic team, which seems likely). Honestly, I see him going back to Spain like Navarro.

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2008 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now there's a surprise (not)

guess I was being ‘way too liberal with my 5 month “Sergio sell by” over/under date on the other thread

by two4larue on Jul 1, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet!!!

Maybe the Blazers can package him with Frye and get an upgrade at backup PF? Frye is pretty darn good, but this would be a good way to do some of the consolidation. Either that or just let Sergio walk at the end of the season.

amlmart do you have a link to the article where Sergio said that? I’m kind of curious to see it. Thanks!

by erastus25 on Jul 2, 2008 5:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is not a Sergio´s statement

but comments by journalists in printed Spanish sport press, no sources revealed.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jul 2, 2008 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, yeah -- this is the right idea...

......................... Unfortunately, I just doubt it’s Pritchard’s…

Maybe the Blazers can package him with Frye and get an upgrade at backup PF?

We can toss in Diogu as well and make it a 3-for-1.

I WANT DAVID LEE!!!

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 2, 2008 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

:)

LMFAO!!! That would be awesome!

by erastus25 on Jul 2, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I don't understand

Is why Rudy was never sent to the D-league last season. Some sort of agreement? The Blazer’s didn’t want to mess with Sergio’s confidence? They didn’t want him texting Rudy about how much life sucks in the D-league?

Now that Rudy’s name is on the bottom line, whatever “leverage” Sergio may have had just made a long descending note

by two4larue on Jul 1, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You meant Sergio in the first sentence

I think it was because he was getting some burn fairly regularly. He usually got 6 or so minutes in the first half and they probably figured that was better than a bunch of time against inferior D leaguers. Plus, he got to practice against the A team. And if Sergio had been sent down they would have had three true guards, which would have been a problem in the case of foul trouble or injury. Plus, it’s probably easier to run practice with four true guards on the team. Unless Nate wanted to suit up for the 5-on-5 scrimmages. haha

by erastus25 on Jul 2, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only 24min for Roy?

I understand why you would want to get Rudy 24 minutes as well, but I just can’t see pushing Roy’s minutes so low. 31-32 minutes for Roy would probably be fine, given that he’s had some durability issues, though only if Rudy plays well.

Honestly, if Rudy is going to earn that much PT, he’s going to have to get some time at PG or SF (or Roy is going to have to play some time at one of those spots).

by wepto on Jun 30, 2008 11:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Can you add in injuries

for some of the vets like BRoy and LMA you might try and calculate how many games they might miss and then do minutes from a season perspective rather than an individual game. Just a thought though.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 30, 2008 11:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm

This is all really speculative at the moment. No one really knows how good Bayless is and how well Rudy fits into the NBA, so to me it’s hard to guess which of the two players plays more his rookie season. Jack played most of the 4th quarter minutes so those minutes could be picked up by either Bayless or Rudy, depending on who proves to be the better shooter to pair alongside Roy. This is a good starting point though. The only differences I have: I see Bayless playing more minutes, Pryzbilla less, and Channing more.

Secondly, I think Nate prefers scoring over size in his second unit. That means I could see us going small and have LMA play center with Channing at the power forward position. I can hear Timbo shouting at his TV already; “He’s a softy, he’s a small forward stuck in a power forwards body Nate, WE NEED REBOUNDING.”

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jun 30, 2008 11:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My BEdge Version of Me..

wants to be your BEdge version of you. Highest accolades.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jun 30, 2008 11:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Diogu minutes

Oden will have some foul trouble problems from the start as he gets used to the league. Diogu will get low post minutes opposite LMA and Frye. Diogu’s minutes will be vary from game to game, so I don’t know how you put that in the grafts. Also, Oden will play fewer minutes early because he is recovering from the Dance, Dance Revolution knee injury.
I also think that Surgio will play with Rudy. Nate will have problems getting so many players in the game.

I think that this was a great effort. Not only for a first effort, but for someone that has posted for years.

by parkinglotj on Jul 1, 2008 12:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That Presupposes..

that Diogu’s even on our TEAM next year – at this point, with our GM, that’s a weighty assumption.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 1, 2008 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We like Ike

And Ike fits with the team. He’s the guy with the intense motor and the big wide body to come in and play the role of banger. He’s our version of Maxiel. Plus he’s got a cool name. I wonder if Ike is short for something longer. Guess not or we would have read it by now.

Where have all the flowers gone?

by bilingual octopus on Jul 1, 2008 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Before Indy got him from GState

I believe it was Quick that said that the Blazers were disappointed that Diogu was included in the Dunleavy trade. If my memory serves, Pritchard (or was it Nate?) was reported to like Diogu very much. This makes me pause when thinking about Diogu’s immediate departure. I’m not saying it couldn’t happen, I just think it’s not a sure thing.

by parkinglotj on Jul 1, 2008 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ikechukwu Somtochukwu Diogu

and from all I’ve heard, the “intense motor” part is highly suspect.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 1, 2008 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A little insite from someone who knows...

... at least from my end. I’ve always known Ike to be short for Isaac, but apparently I don’t speak pigmey quite as fluently as 12sharks does. Hmmm, I didn’t think it was possible for one to write out clicks.
And, no, affinity for Ike only goes as far as the name.

by Ike_o_rama! on Jul 1, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dangit... INSIGHT

Does this mean I have to like Diogu now???

by Ike_o_rama! on Jul 1, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's Really His Name!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ike_Diogu

and he was born September 11th, apparently.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 1, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

i think you only have a few flaws
bayless will get equal time to rudy
Greg #1
Jerryd #11
Rudy #24
how does the #24 get 10 more minutes a game. Jerryd put up fairly equal stats in the Pac-10 as rudy did in the Spanish league
Also Roy will probably play more like 30 at SG and 5 at the point, that leaves Rudy 18, more reasonable for a rookie that hasnt proved anything

by blackandwite323 on Jul 1, 2008 12:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rudy is 22, Bayless is 19

Spanish League > Pac 10

Blazers PG depth > Blazers SG depth

Very reasonable to have Rudy playing more than Bayless, but who really knows until we see them in NBA action.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2008 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say that Rudy is better offensively

But is he enough of a defensive liability that it detracts from his offensive production?

I don’t say the same thing about Bayless well because he is probably the best point guard defensively we have right now (at least with quick guards). I wonder if Luke Ridinour and any other quick PG will continue to destroy us?

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 1, 2008 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I frankly have no idea what to expect from either one on defense. Can’t wait to see Rudy in the Olympics and Bayless in Vegas!

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2008 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't Ridnour who was blowing by Blake

It was Earl Watson

and Nate Robinson

and others

here’s hoping Bayless accepts the challenge.

(OTOH, Rudy will resemble a matador…ole’!)

by two4larue on Jul 1, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Very reasonable" only if last season's statistics were some sort of accident...

.................................... or a sick joke.

Like Rudy shooting just under 67% from the freethrow line was him “finding his wings” as a shooter, and gosh, we know that it’s not really a valid indicator of one’s jumpshot ability.

Or maybe his 35%-ish shooting from the field was a function of the sun getting in his eyes or a lack of confidence that he might get sent to the D-league if he missed the next shot or maybe he had a chronic problem with his right wrist and was too manly to mention it to the training staff or media.

FACE IT: EL CLANKO CAN NOT SHOOT AND IS NOT MUCH LONGER FOR THE NBA.

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 2, 2008 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha, i just got Sergio and Rudy mixed up...

............................. FIRST!!!

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 2, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OKAY, LET'S TRY THAT AGAIN...

..............GEEZ, that was my worst post EVER and that’s saying a lot!

El Clanko = OUT OF THE LEAGUE.

El Swisho = 20+ minutes a game from opening night.

Bayless = spot time early in the season, starting late in the season.

By the end of the season (after trading deadline) it will either be a 3 guard rotation of Bayless/Roy/Rudy (Blake gone) or it will be Bayless/Roy/Blake with Rudy at the 3 and Martell one very unhappy camper (or traded).

Those are the two most plausible scenarios, I think.

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 2, 2008 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should never use the names "Sergio" or "Rudy"...

.......................... that’s just disaster waiting to happen.

EL CLANKO and EL SWISHO.

I can keep that straight.

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 2, 2008 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pathetic

I’ve had a lot of posts a lot worse than that.

I do everything better than you. Even bad posts.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 2, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy versus Bayless

Last years stats per pace adjusted 40:
name pts reb ast stls blk TO FG% 3P% FT% TS% PER
Rudy 28.9 4.2 5.5 3.0 0.3 2.9 49.2 41.1 91.4 67% 31.4
Jerryd 22.7 3.1 4.6 1.1 0.1 3.4 45.8 40.7 83.9 61% 23.7

Basically, Rudy is better in every stat, sometimes by significant margins. However, there are some other factors that need to be taken into account as well: the level of competition is higher in the ACB league than in the NCAA, European scorekeepers are stingier about giving out assists (an American scorekeeper would have given Rudy more assists than he actually got credit for), and the 3-pt line is farther from the rim in Europe than in the NCAA (so some of Rudy’s 2-pt shots would have been worth 3 in college). So while the stats make it look like there is a big gap between Fernandez and Bayless, the actual gap is even larger than the stats indicate.

by trk on Jul 1, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

That is an amazing disparity. That FG% is beautiful, as is the stls number.

by premthegrem on Jul 1, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand

Rudy is about 4 years older, so Bayless could still catch up eventually to his greatness.

by pualo on Jul 1, 2008 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really Really nice post.

I want to know who is the human victory cigar. Diogu doesn’t seem right for that and i suspect he will see a few 2nd quarter minutes. Batum will be in the D league. That leaves Sergio & Raef. I think Raef will get a lot of DNP’s. It would be a shame to not be able to trade RLEC due to an unnecessary injury. Sorry Sergio… you are now the Human Victory Cigar. While you are out there do you mind a few more halfcourt lobs to Trout? Those were fantastic.

by tweener on Jul 1, 2008 12:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we'll trade RLEC

I think we’ll let it expire and use the capspace. He can be our victory cigar.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2008 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's my thought as well

trading him means you have to take back equal salary either in one player or multiple players. And the trading team would only be doing it to get rid of a multiyear contract. The Blazers are in no position to take back mulitple players. So who’s out there that would trade a salary equal to RL’s for more than one year that we’d want badly enough to give up 12 million in cap flexibility for?

It makes more sense, barring an incredible stroke of luck, to just let him expire and than spend the money rather than trade him for another contract.

by raoulduke on Jul 1, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batum will be in the D-league

since KP thought he was as good as Outlaw was when he was drafted straight outa high school. If someone if injured then he might play otherwise don’t count on him for anything. Diogu will have to battle with Frye for minutes at the PF spot. If Frye struggles for a time like last season then Diogu will beat him out.Ike does have some skills, not alot but some. Sergio will probably be gone as soon as Rudy is comfortable on and off the court with life in the NBA. Its a damn shame cause I really like him. If only Nate had played him, well who knows what would have happened. Reaf is another that won’t play.That’s 10 players that need minutes. We’ll get to see how good Bayless is at the Summer league. My guess is that he is good. Blake should be the starter till December/January and then its Bayless time. Fingers crossed!

by VinnyB on Jul 1, 2008 5:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone listing specific minutes right now is just guessing...

.............................. is Rudy all that he is said to be? Will Bayless thrive at the point guard spot or will he be another Taurean Green? Will Oden be a 15-foul-per-game-guy playing 22 minutes a night or will he learn to pick his shots to go for blocks? Will everyone stay healthy? Will the Blake/Roy backcourt prove the team’s most stable, forcing Rudy to put in his minutes at the 3?

And on and on and on. While I can appreciate the effort put into color charts and ranked minutes estimates, with all due respect, it’s a classic case of GIGO—garbage in, garbage out. WE DON’T KNOW so many basic things that it’s silly attempting to guess and then illustrating our various guesses.

My own take is that Bayless was so highly regarded around the league that he’s going to see major minutes at some fairly early juncture; that Rudy (6’6”, yes?) will spend significant time at the 3. That Oden will be a foul machine and that Joel will play more like 25 minutes than 15. That Diogu will see more than 0 minutes at the 4 and none or virtually none at the 5.

No graphs to illustrate this, but it’s just a guess anyway.

Outstanding post by the way. I just don’t agree with the fundamental premise that next year’s minutes played are knowable.

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 1, 2008 8:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well yeah

most of the fanposts about next season are guesses. This fanpost happens to be a particularly good guess in my opinion.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I think

I actually hope Roy plays less, say 32 mpg. Keep him healthy and fresh for the playoffs.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 2, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops, meant to say

but other than that minor quibble, I think this was a very good guess. And actually, my quibble isn’t a good one, because it is what I want to happen, rather than what I think will happen. I think the OP was probably closer to what will happen.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 2, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Rotation/Minutes

First of all, great original post and good analysis, krollb.

And now, based on pure speculation and guesswork, as well as my likes and dislikes of players on the squad, here’s my stab-in-the-dark attempt at assigning minutes and rotation…

PG: Blake 14, Bayless 18, Roy 6, Rodriguez 10.
SG: Roy 30, Fernandez 18.
SF: Outlaw 26, Webster 16, Batum 6.
PF: Aldridge 28, Frye 14, Diogu 6.
C: Oden 28, Przybilla 14, Aldridge 6.

Totals: Roy 36, Aldridge 34, Oden 28, Outlaw, 26, Bayless 18, Fernandez 18, Webster 16, Frye 14, Blake 14, Przybilla 14, Rodriguez 10, Diogu 6, Batum 6.

Basically, I see the minutes based on rotation and significance breaking down into a few tiers: first Roy and Aldridge at the top of the heap in mid 30s, then Oden and Outlaw the second level in high 20s, then Webster/Bayless/Fernandez the third tier at mid to high teens, the next rung being the solid role players of Frye/Blake/Przybilla at mid teens, and finally, the end of the bench scrubs/newbies of Rodriguez/Diogu/Batum getting high single digits.

by Jack Acid on Jul 1, 2008 9:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, for the most part.

I agree, for the most part. However, I think that Webster should probably be getting about 26 minutes at the 3 and still be starting. His outside jumper will be very useful with the first unit. That leaves TO with about 20-22 minutes at SF. I would also knock Frye’s minutes down to like 8 and give TO the leftovers there. He has proven himself to be a competent PF for short spurts.

I completely agree with giving Oden 32ish minutes a game. Work the big guy in slowly! Also, giving Roy 35 a game is perfect! He really wore down last year and that will make sure he’s ready for the playoffs (hopefully!).

I think your post also really highlights the potential for this team to cause matchup problems. There are several three guard combos Nate could go with, and then throw out TO and LMA or LMA and Oden or TO and Oden. If Nate wanted to go big Roy and Rudy could play together and maybe if Webster continues to improve even use Roy and Webster in the backcourt with LMA/TO, Oden and Pryzbilla. Shades of the infamous ‘86 Celtics who would occasionally play Bird at PG! There are so many potential viable permutations it’s crazy.

by erastus25 on Jul 1, 2008 10:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see TO start at the beginning of the season. Not sure if he should stay there, though. It’s worth something that he gets the crowd going.

by Rake on Jul 1, 2008 1:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Martell (and every other starter) to start

until they retire or someone beats them out.. Always and forever.

And in the world of Nate, you better be highly motivated to maximize the team’s defensive success if you hope to enjoy the honor of starting. I believe that’s his only non negotiable criterion for starting.

I’ll add an exception.

If you have a special talent who can go from bench to 60 in 4.5 seconds, and can can create his own shot seemingly at will, but is not clearly better than his closest competitor for a starter’s role, perhaps he be given the equally prestigious role of Closer.

Such a closer would surely be a sixth man of the year candidate. I can imagine the psychological advantage of opposing teams fearing the arrival of his white squad, and our own inclination to regularly milk that squad for an extra minute or two twice a game because it’s working so well, forcing our starters to rest a bit more.

Perfect practice makes perfect.

by Ojala John on Jul 1, 2008 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"equally prestigious role of Closer"

While I agree with you that the closers role is equally important, I don’t think players would agree.

by Rake on Jul 2, 2008 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting question

I’d really like to see some players asked that question in an interview. Someone like Trout who made a name for himself (among Blazer fans) in the fourth probably gained more from it than someone like JJ1 who became the fourth option on offense and didn’t handle the ball much. So, Jack would probably want to start, Outlaw – probably not.

by erastus25 on Jul 2, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks good, man.

RipCity -- now, now ...

by Y5k on Jul 2, 2008 1:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is wear Nate will earn his paycheck

Get em all in there Nate and keep em happy. Then make em earn their time. Then make em understand we’re a team so they sit there waiting patiently for their moment and then go in an Leon Poe up and down the court.

Keep the minutes as equal as you can. Rest injured players. Get everyone’s game ready for the playoff run. When the playoffs here and if everyone is healthy… attack with an 11 man rotation. Raif, if he’s still here will only see spot minutes during blow outs. Though he’s not that bad a player really. Well he had the one game last year where we couldn’t buy a rebound and he went nuts on the glass.

When’s the last time Raif got some BE love?

by Blazersaurus on Jul 2, 2008 2:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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