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Items I'd like to cover, and this is long.

I'd like to go over a few items. There have been a few blogs that have vanished or gone off to lala land, and so I wanted to go over a few key items important to me.

  1. Draft night moves and did we really get an awesome deal
  2. KP and ethics
  3. Firing Nate
  4. The myth of the golden gut

Draft Night Moves and KP

One of the radio personalities brought up the point that he (don't remember which one on 95.5 the game) had higher expectations of draft day and asked if getting excited just because KP told them it was good.

I wanted to add my two cents here and question others as to what they thought.

Do people like trades just because KP tells them it's a good trade?

I think this is definitely possible. KP has earned our trust as a fan base and I think we could snag almost any player, and if KP tells us that the player is good, then a large majority of us will be come excited.

That said, Bayless has always been listed as a very good player and a top three or four talent. With the draft pick we had, it's INCREDIBLE we snagged him, but will he pan out?

I had also expected more activity and MAJOR moves.

Was this move as good as the hype or were expectations for more?

To be honest, I was expecting more. The move itself was EXCELLENT from two stand points:

  1.  We gave up NOTHING that we didn't need to give up anyway.
  2.  We got the most we could get from the draft without giving up any major pieces.

However, I have now dropped my win expectation down to 46-48 from 50-52. The reason being is that we... got... YOUNGER!!!

My initial response was "DANG IT!!! ANOTHER YEAR WE'RE BUILDING AND POSSIBLY NOT MAKING THE PLAY-OFFS!!!

I was upset. I really expected a move for Harris. He's young and would have provided experience. He was perfect for us. I'm ready for the blazers to make their move this year and that trade would have greatly helped us.

Instead we have another young guy who needs to learn the game and learn his place and who may not work out. It's always possible because rookies are unknowns.

So, that said, is Bayless worth keeping or should we trade again for Harris?

If you're only goal is to win this year and have a reasonable chance of winning in the years to come, then I say yes. If your goal is to create a dynasty over the next 10-15 years, then I say probably not.  You take the higher risk/higher return to ensure that no team can tweak their team and beat the blazers.  Consider it an insurance policy against injury to other stars.

Bayless is supposed to have a HIGH ceiling. If he reaches his potential (and likely will with the blazers), then he's worth it. There IS risk that he doesn't and then the blazers look pretty dumb for not going after Harris.

KP and ethics

Did KP break a gentleman's promise with other teams and did he tell Charlotte to draft DJ for him?

We can't really answer this because we were not there.

Is it okay to do break your word?

I'm going with a definite no here.  It's not ethical and it strongly showcases that you're not a trust worthy person.  I would actually turn in my blazer fan card if this were the case.  There are SO many people in business that do what it takes to win in the short term and don't care who lose just so they win.  I could and would never support a company or team like that.  In my opinion it's a bad cultural trait to take on.

There were people in various threads brushing it off, but it's not a little thing.  That is major and I don't care how much I like someone, I'm not going to excuse behavior like that.  In all honesty, it's really making me ponder the election this year as well and which direction (if any) I'll be going.

Now, KP didn't have a deal in place, but mislead... still a little dirty, but if a GM is going to be stupid enough to do something like that, then it's their own fault.

Firing Nate

If the Blazers do not improve next year, should Nate be fired?

I looked around for this post but could not find it.   My response is WHAT???

We've just taken on a young point guard  WHY in the WORLD would we fire Nate?  Why do we even need a scape goat if something doesn't go well?

Our team is still young and we'll still be inconsistent at times.  We're STILL in the learning phase guys!  I'll be disappointed if we don't continue improving and win 46-48 games, but I won't be calling for anyones head.  I won't even be concerned if we come out at 41 again.  I don't think that's entirely unexpected when you have a young team and get rid of some of the leadership (jack, jones).  Management is tempering expectations and does not believe that we'll make the play-offs.  With that in mind, they may make decisions to see what they have instead of flat out trying to win.

I see soooo many teams have knee jerk reactions like firing coach after a bad season and it doesn't work for me.  Some teams have major injuries to key players, the team has a losing season, and the answer?  Fire the coach?  What good does that do you?  You can only do so much with what you have.

Additionally... Nate is constantly learning and improving!  He is sometimes slow to change, but I suspect this is because he wants to see if something is a fluke or if it really works.  It's possible he's doing this because he knows he's learning as is the team and he has the luxury right now to experiment.   Or maybe he's just slow to learn.  Either way he constantly gets better.

Additionally, no team improves MORE after a timeout.  That shows good coaching.

In my mind Nate should be fired if:

  1. He loses the team so they don't follow him.
  2. If he shows that he's reached the limits of his ability and can't continue to learn, improve, and get the team over the championship hump.  (This takes a few years and includes a team that is healthy AND has experience).
  3. He does something completely immoral
  4. He is destroying the culture

The myth of the golden gut

Okay, this drives me NUT!!!

Paul Allen stated, in an interview, that KP has the golden gut.  This drives me nuts because he DOESNT have a golden gut.  That's like saying that basketball players succeed just because they have natural talent.

The fact is that KP AND basketball players put in hours and HOURS of hard work.  KP's success comes from planning, developing a system to evaluate talent, and sticking to that system.

Calling it the golden gut is false, misleading, and worships KP without recognizing the hard work he AND his team are putting into it.

The End

That's really all i have on this one.  I just wanted to point it out.  The man works hard, works smart, and makes decisions that are generally good ones with his team.

Hope you enjoyed the reading, it wasn't too much of a rehash, and you didn't mind that I clumped everything up into one post because I couldn't find all the posts and because I'm sure you wouldn't want four more posts to bump the old ones off.

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Especially like you defending Nate. Which coaches are the best in the league? The ones that have been around for a long time with one team (Phil Jack, Poppavich, Sloan, etc.)

Being with one team for a long time gives the coach rep, or respect. That’s key when you’re coaching. Even if Nate’s X and Os are only average, the respect and teaching ability he has takes him to the top.

And for the record, I think his X and Os are top tier no question. So he really really should be around for a while, if possible.

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jun 30, 2008 10:13 AM PDT   0 recs

That's the chicken and the egg

Are those coaches good because they’re with the same team for a long time, or are they with the same team for a long time because they’ve been good + loyal, and are paid accordingly?

It’s not very cut-and-dried.

Also, Nate’s X’s and O’s are top tier? Most of last season was spent watching Brandon run through the pick and roll, then get pushed to the half-court line and start over. Or “give the ball to Outlaw until he runs and jumps over his defender”. And Nate himself said the plays they do run are often done by his offensive assistant(s).

Not trying to pick on you, just questioning the reasonings listed.

by Timmay! on Jun 30, 2008 11:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nate's X's adn O's

On the same note, did you notice that Blazers were the most efficient team scoring out of time outs. A direct correlation between Coaching and execution.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Jun 30, 2008 11:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a correlation, not a causation

Never forget that. Big difference.

But it was nice to see nonetheless.

by Timmay! on Jun 30, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Big difference?

Not always. Lots of correlations are because of causation.

This is likely to be causation.

Nate has his flaws as a coach, but it seems evident that one of his strengths is getting his team to execute out of a timeout. That doesn’t necessarily mean he is great at drawing up plays or choosing the right play, of course. It may just mean that he is good at concentrating the minds, so that the chosen play is executed effectively.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jun 30, 2008 1:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you misunderstood me...

First, I don’t necessarily disagree. It could have been all Nate. Teams 2-5 are BOS, NO, DET, and LAL. 4 good teams. Some have argued that two of those teams (Det and Bos) did well despite their coaches. And NO’s coach had been questioned until he got a great young player, now he’s a “great coach”.

But this is a worthwhile read on how easy it is to mistake correlation and causation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Let’s put it this way. Younger people can catch their breath faster. Portland has the youngest team in the league. Statistically, it’s reasonable to say they’d be more refreshed and quicker out of a timeout than any other team in the NBA. Perhaps they were simply fresher after the timeout, and had a little more spring in their step than their archaic opponents, and (naturally) scored more. And once they lost that advantage, they regressed to the mean. But for those couple possessions, they dominated.

Makes sense? I’m not saying that’s the cause either. Because… correlation does not imply causation. I just made that up on the spot as an example alternative theory. So while that stat is useful, I can’t judge Nate on it.

It could simply be that, during the timeout, he reminded them to give the ball to a refreshed Brandon. Good coaching! But no X and O involved.

by Timmay! on Jun 30, 2008 3:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Team #5 might mess with the theory of coaching prowess and timeouts

Since during 75% of timeouts Phil Jackson doesn’t even speak to his players.

So as you note, maybe it’s just the rest.

by Section323 on Jun 30, 2008 5:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What would happen

If it turned out that we executed poorly after timeouts. Would you blame the coach for that?

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 30, 2008 7:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It depends on how they look on those possessions

If they look disorganized, then yes (unless one player is obviously the problem). Mo Cheeks was notorious for having that happen.

If they look like they’ve run a play but can’t make a shot, then no.

And hey, even both of those answers would be knee-jerk reactions, to which I’d be inviting people to say “hey, it could be [blank] instead”. I don’t know basketball well enough to be all-knowing.

It’s really not black and white. This is what I keep saying. :)

by Timmay! on Jun 30, 2008 10:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice points

For the record. I’ve always thought Byron Scott was an excellent coach (unless I mutilated his name, and then it’s the guy that I meant).

He did a great job with the Nets and I thought they were idiots for firing him.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 1, 2008 7:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, this is valid
It could simply be that, during the timeout, he reminded them to give the ball to a refreshed Brandon. Good coaching! But no X and O involved.

I said “good at getting his team to execute out of a timeout”. You are right that it may not be X and O. But he was doing something right.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 1, 2008 1:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just a few things...

1) With the free agent market opening only tonight, I think it is too early to say that KP has finished touching up the team for the 08/09 season.

2) From Ben’s second post on the “Pritch-slap,” he expounded the rumor that KP broke a promise to trade for Augustine. MJ drafted DJ with the thought that it would force KP to make a deal, with Westbrook and Augustine being the to two PGs the Blazers worked out and were high on. There were no promises made. Therefore, KPs actions were 100% ethical.

3) Why is this even still being posted? Nate has taken an Odenless Blazers to the land of .500 and until the team ACTUALLY underperforms, his position is locked down IMHO.

4) I’m sure that most GMs put in many, many hours evaluating talent and NBA potential but still wind up picking players that amount to only a few onces of pine. KP has shown a knack picking quality players. I have no problem with PA calling out his golden gut.

by PtownJake on Jun 30, 2008 10:31 AM PDT   0 recs

response

2) Yes but… it’s still speculation. I think it’s unlikely too, but it also bugged me that people were defending an immoral action like that. It’s NOT okay no matter who it is. Hopefully it is a misunderstanding. I haven’t turned in my card yet, and wouldn’t unless it was proved.

3.) Why is this posted? Because I guarantee you if we have a five game losing streak there will be people calling for Nate to be fired again. It happened last year. I understand calling for a change of strategy, but the call for firing is silly.

4.) KP has a plan and a system. Frankly, I think other GMs go with the golden gut. See the sacramento statement of “we went with the best big that worked out for us.” Seriously? If you’re doing your homework, then you already KNOW who you’re going to pick and the work out is just to get a better feel for the personality and a final “shiny, must touch!”

I strongly believe that most GMs do NOT do their homework and don’t plan and that’s why KP is beating them.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 30, 2008 10:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think as the facts of have come out

I doubt more and more that we had a deal in place that was renigged upon. From Chad Ford’s podcast it sounds like Felton was being shopped before the draft and that Brown loves Augustin, so I doubt that KP was hedging his bets in this instance.

Most of this comes from my reading and listening of KP and he comes off as a very ethical guy who would not risk poisoning a well for short term gain.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 30, 2008 10:33 AM PDT   0 recs

I tend to agree

but until a statement comes out one way or the other, it’s all speculation. I wanted to address that it’s WRONG!!! as most people seemed to gloss over the morality because it gave us an advantage.

Ethics ARE important in life.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 30, 2008 10:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

True

I would be surprised and disappointed if it were true. Maybe it is time to start doing some poking around in the Charlotte media to see if they have a take on this.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 30, 2008 10:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i would disagree regarding "most people seemed to gloss over..."

From the reactions to Anatomy of a Pritchslap, I would say that almost 75-80% of the posters were at least apprehensive at even the possibility that KP reneged on a deal. Yes, there were those people that wrote it off as a consequence of “All’s fair in love and war”, but in response to your statement, I believe that the majority of the people on this site do have a strong understanding of morality.

by premthegrem on Jun 30, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair enough

I suppose that I’m guilty of seeing a few comments and going … WHAT???

Good to hear that most have hesitancy even if it’s not a flat out condemning of that unethical behavior. (at the time of my reading and before the editing and moving it was assumed that the information was true).

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 30, 2008 11:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Couldn't agree more

Obviously, we have no way of knowing what communications took place between Pritchard and Charlotte on draft night. Nevertheless, the implications of Ben’s initial post were that the Blazers GM reneged on an agreed-upon deal with the Bobcats. Although Ben stepped away from that interpretation of events in his subsequent post, I too was somewhat dismayed to read the number of posts praising Pritchard for his “genius” in those rumored double-dealings with Charlotte in that original post.

Based on Ben’s second post on the events of that night, I would tend to give Pritchard the benefit of the doubt. Without corroboration, I refuse to believe that he or any other NBA GM would risk burning his bridges with his counterparts around the league for the sake of acquiring a single player. However, I’m still troubled by the approbation expressed by many on this site to Ben’s original post, just as I was surprised by the glee of Dallas Cowboy fans to the acquisition of a violent dirtbag like PacMan Jones. Yes, I know it’s “only a game” but have we as a society so bought into the ideal of “winning at all costs” that ethical considerations are now seen as impediments to be overcome in pursuit of the big prize?

by knickfan on Jun 30, 2008 11:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

quality take

I think if KP had truly wronged Charlotte, we’d be hearing something out of the Bobcat camp. I agree that praising KP for possibly reneging on a deal (which again, I don’t think he did) would be wrong.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jun 30, 2008 11:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, that supposedly

was the real “genius” of Pritchard’s rumored move.

If he had made a deal, then reneged, leaving Charlotte stuck with Augustin, the Bobcats could hardly then come out and say ” We drafted this guy for Portland and now we’ve got a player we didn’t really want.” No, they’d have to bite the bullet and shower the usual post-draft encomiums on DJ, thereby leaving no one the wiser of what really went down behind the scenes.

by knickfan on Jun 30, 2008 11:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

it seems like there would be some sort of league rule against reneging on an agreed deal… in which case Charlotte may have reported KP to the league office. Maybe there is no such rule- I really don’t know.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jun 30, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you'd hear SOMETHING though...

Through the mess, and the Bobcats own media following the scene, if something like that took place and KP truly screwed over the Bobcats, it would get leaked out somehow and the rumor mill wouldn’t be able to contain it. That’s a big no-no amongst GMs, for obvious reasons.

I think it is POSSIBLE that MJ drafted DJ Augustin with the hope that he could force either Portland or Sacramento to trade with him, and Pritchard even said that some teams were just drafting on speculation, for a later trade. If this was so, the Bobcats pick makes sense in that light. The fact that no trade has happened yet doesn’t mean none will, especially because right now Sacramento has ZERO point guards on their roster and Beno Udrih wants nearly a full MLE.

The Bobcats could still say ‘we love DJ he is our BFF’ and leak out that KP screwed them over, and also ensure DJ that they wanted him all along while also telling Felton that another team screwed them. And let’s say the Bobcats don’t want DJ or their fans to know they got duped; if this was the case another GM for another team would learn about it, and would like to disparage the golden goose that IS Kevin Pritchard right now.

Bottom line, if KP did back out on an AGREED deal, it would get out and really ruin Pritchard’s reputation and there would be punishment from the league front office. It could be like the Minnesota-Joe Smith dealings. It’d be bad.

And since we haven’t heard anything like that aside from speculation right here, I’d have to assume it didn’t go down that way. That’s a serious no-no.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 30, 2008 12:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree about backing out on a deal

No way any GM would do that. When you propose trades you don’t approach it with the attitude of “I’m going screw this guy over”, you try to offer pieces that both parties find fair. In that mindset I find it highly unlikely Kp would do something along those lines.

If I were to guess…

The Bobcats thought the Portland/Indiana deal was for Augustin and not Bayless, and KP floated the floated the deal with Indy on purpose. The Bobcats are shopping Felton, so taking that risk was worth it to MJ. When you think of how everyone in PDX was saying “Augustin Augustin Augustin”, “KP wouldn’t draft someone who didn’t workout for them…” MJ probably thought the odds were pretty good. As for Sacramento I have to believe that there were some smoke screens there, why else would they pick Jason Thompson? Besides, I don’t think they have a lot of commodities Indiana would want besides Kevin Mratin, who is a good young high character player on the Kings, Spencer Hawes?

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jun 30, 2008 2:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Give Sacto some credit

How do you know they were not targeting Thompson. It seems like a lot of this Sacto wanted a pg, which Bayless is not a natural for, talk is coming from anyone but the Kings. Geoff Petrie is good talent evaluator and has made some drafts for guys that were not high on others draft boards, but were high on his. Give Petrie some credit. He is definitely not Kevin McHale.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 30, 2008 8:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've actually been wondering about that.

I wondered if Sac would have made that pick anyway and maybe we did it to reduce our roster space somewhat.

Apparently Sacramento targets a guy and then goes after him no matter HOW high their draft pick is relative to the guys draft value.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 1, 2008 7:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well stated

thanks

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 30, 2008 11:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In Mike Barrett's Blog

He mentioned that KP had told him ahead of time that the Pacer’s were going to draft a guard and that he repeated himself. It seems the only deal in place was with the Pacer’s.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jul 1, 2008 1:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't that how the current administration has been operating?

“but have we as a society so bought into the ideal of "winning at all costs" that ethical considerations are now seen as impediments to be overcome in pursuit of the big prize?”

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 1, 2008 7:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The point is extremely valid

but should probably move away from the current leadership and possibly more towards the current culture of our Nation. After all, a vast majority of this nation defends the action being taken otherwise how could such leadership be put in place?

We’ve had many scandals where CEO’s and CFO’s played with numbers in an attempt to keep the company afloat. A company I used to work for went under. Heck, my job is to “make things happen” and when that’s your job and there’s no “in ethical boundaries defined as thus…” it can be easy to skip over the grey and into the dark side.

(I work in “show” business in a manner of speaking and so “the show must go on” dominates a lot. Just to give you a back ground.)

So, do the means justify the end? Are ethics really that important or just propaganda for the weak who just can’t go out there and take it? Does winning wash away all sins? 100 years from now, what’s remembered? The win or how the person got there?

I’m just tossing out thoughts. I know my own personal stance. I was once fired for taking it. Admittedly I could have presented my resistance for “doing what needed to be done” differently and I definitely learned from the experience. So glad to be over the hormonal years… although I do tend to get very passionate still.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 2, 2008 9:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

golden gut

According to Gavin DeBecker (The Gift of Fear), instinct is often the product of a lot of things you know and don’t realize that you notice bypassing your consciousness and giving you a “feeling” or “impression” which is more efficient than running through the whole high logic process.
Someone like KP would have finer tuned instincts because his subconscious knows what he is looking for, though KP goes out and goes through the process to check his “gut.”

I think that’s the balance between what you and Allen are saying.

Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in Tennessee and North Carolina

by HurraKane212 on Jun 30, 2008 10:46 AM PDT   0 recs

That sounds

Like a pretty good unification theory.

My main points are that hard work is put in, nothing in life is simply easy, and it’s a team effort by the blazers, not just a KP effort.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 30, 2008 11:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

outstanding fanpost

People should temper expectations just a bit. We’re asking 3 rookies for major contributions. Granted, one dominated the 2nd best league in the world, one is a manchild and one averaged 20 ppg as a Frosh in the best conference in the land… but they are still rookies and will make mistakes.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jun 30, 2008 11:18 AM PDT   0 recs

"best conference"....

That may be a bit of an overstatement from a Big 10 supporter.

by PtownJake on Jun 30, 2008 12:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Greg is the manchild

Jerryd is the guy who averaged 20 ppg in the best conference, which the pac-10 absolutely was last year.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jun 30, 2008 12:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A couple of comments

1. Awesome post, thanks. And yes, there are plenty of things that were glossed over during the past week, and you hit on many of them.

2. Why do so many people assume that it will take 50 wins to make the playoffs? What happened last year in the WC has never happened before, and it may not happen again for a long, long time. It will be very hard for eight or more teams in the West to repeat what the top nine teams did last year. Injuries, age, any mild improvements from the nonplayoff team in the West or the teams in the East, the ascension of one or more teams over the 60 win plateau, etc…. any of these factors can and will coalesce to make the 50 win threshold for the #8 seed a one year phenomenon.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 30, 2008 11:45 AM PDT   0 recs

It might not happen again

But as those teams currently stand, it will take injuries or a major unforeseen drop off in skills in some of the older players for any of them to drastically fall out of the playoff race. I think 50 wins might be the minimum again this season…

LA should be better, the Hornets more experienced and confident, same with Utah, Denver has the same team and they aren’t bad like some seem to think (50 wins for that team is GOOD, if ya ask me), Houston is always a playoff contendor with Yao and T-Mac, The Spurs are the Spurs, Dallas won’t be as good as before with the experience of Kidd, Dirk, and Josh Howard should equal playoffs, and PHX shouldn’t drop off much as well.

Perhaps Golden State improves a bit as well… who knows?

It will be an uphill battle to make the playoffs again, because none of those teams stand to DRASTICALLY drop off next season. A big ‘blow it all up’ trade could happen, and so could injuries, but we can’t expect those right now and right now it’s gonna be a tough situation to make the playoffs.

I still say we’re gonna do it and we’ll be better than a lot of those teams, but it ain’t gonna be easy.

I agree it might not happen again, but unless a major injury happens it is more likely than not to repeat itself.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 30, 2008 12:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There will be at least one

or possibly two teams in that group that will lose a lot more than we think right now. No evidence…just think it wlll happen

"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."

by 92wastheyear on Jun 30, 2008 1:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Very likely

but… also very likely that 48 wins don’t make the play-offs. I’d like to think we’ll see some teams drops. I want the blazers in the play-offs this year even if they do get bumped.

Hopefully we get LA. I’m positive we can beat them.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 30, 2008 1:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I am feeling good about

matching up with LA as well.

"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."

by 92wastheyear on Jun 30, 2008 3:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

As long as Oden is healthy and Oden is Oden, I do not see the current Lakers beating us in a seven game series and it will be BEAUTIFUL and I will weep tears of joy for the first time in my life.

I’ve been sentenced to getting married next April, and if we’re playing the Lakers in the playoffs at the same time I just might have to fake my death and create a new life somewhere far, far away but still with league pass.

I know we’re gonna be young, but… DAMN. Oden, LMA, Roy, Rudy, Bayless, Webster, Trout… who else has so many guys who are capable of scoring 20 ppg AND are also great team-first kids?

(of course, that is going on Bayless’ reputation.)

LA is going to get throttled by us.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 30, 2008 3:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There are only so many wins to go around...

...and it took nine very good (but none dominating) teams, combined with four absolutely horrific teams in the WC, combined with a dreadful EC (only three teams in the East with 50+ wins, and only five teams above .500), to produce the results we saw last year in the West.

“Look at the math”, as Obama supporters like to say. Even if none of the nine teams fall off the cliff (and at least one or more of them will… it always happens), all you need is any combination of the following:

1. The Eastern Conference becomes even a little bit better (some of those wins, by default will come against the top 9 in the West);
2. Teams like L*kers and Hornets move up to 60-65 wins (some of those wins, by default will come against the top 9 in the West);
3. Some of the teams at the bottom in the West improve marginally… say they average even a paltry 25 wins instead of 22 wins like they did last year (again, some of those wins coming against the WC contenders).

If you want to wager that it will require 50 wins to qualify for the playoffs next year in the West, I’m sure there is a casino in Vegas that would love to take (and I do mean take) your money.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 30, 2008 5:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would venture to say that

The Suns might fall off significantly as they are trying to change their style of play while not changing a lot of personnel….yet. Golden State did not finish the year strong and I could definitely see that team taking a nose dive if Baron Davis gets spooked. Dallas will probably be about the same as it doesn’t seem that Carlisle and Avery Johnson have significantly different coaching styles .

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 30, 2008 8:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Playoffs

You stated in the OP that the blazers have now said they don’t expect to make the playoffs this season, can you give me a link for this? The last I heard both Nate and KP clearly stated that they expect to make the playoffs this season. (it was during the exit interviews)

by usmcr3049 on Jun 30, 2008 11:58 AM PDT   0 recs

I appologize it was on a webcast/podcast thingy and I don't remember where/when or even if it was live only.

If anyone could help out, that’d be appreciated.

The goal is to reach the play-offs, although I think a better realistic goal is an increase in the number of wins as making the play-offs can vary.

That said, I believe it was KP, the Blazers have been cautioning against expectations and that includes making the play-offs. Expectation and goal are two different things, and that said I may have interpreted what was said differently than intended. I really wish I could remember the exact wording.

Goals should be tough, but achievable, and I believe the goal of making the play-offs is exactly that. As stated above, with the talent in the western conference, breaking through will be difficult baring major injury or trade.

I’m sure we’ll hear about expectations more as we head into the season and someone will clarify or restate the position by then. It’s possible KP was attempting to be extremely cautious and I interpreted that as not believing it would happen, but hoping it would happen.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 30, 2008 12:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You know what they say when you assume

It makes an ars out of u & me. That is what it seems so many are doing. I agree with Mortimer. People are assuming that it was impossible for Bayless to drop to the 11th spot, unless KP somehow tampered around. Well, I’m sure he blew some smoke. But that is normal in this business and is far from unethical.

To make a point here, “Who was guilty of causing Darrell Arther to fall to #27. Wasn’t he supposed to go as high as # 9? Am I wrong in saying his agent suggested he not disclose his health information to NBA teams? Seems that hardly anyone is crying foul on this one. There are too many people on here that are acting like the KGB secret police. You have no evidence of your accusations against KP. You seem to be assuming the worst because you can’t figure out how KP got it done. Then you go as far as to imply he is a cheater, and you continue to assasinate his character. I already wrote about this in 12sharks diary earlier. I encourage you to read it, so that I don’t have to retype it.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/6/30/561621/yippee-more-draft-day-sham#

People have commented that this draft seemed underwhelming. I say that is our own fault for raising expectations so high. We went from being the darlings of the 2006 draft, to winning the powerball drawing in the 2007 draft and getting the center of the decade, (where fans stormed the court at the Rose Garden), and now we feel like the draft was a big downer? Hmmm, wonder why….well, it is hard to replicate 2007 if you know what I mean. There really hasn’t been that much buzz about a draft pick here since Bill Walton, and that was over 30 years ago. I think the truth is, many of us have become spoiled. We want instant gratification. We want big deals. Well, we may still get them. The summer has only began. However, KP isn’t going to sabotage our future simply because a few fans are full of roster change lust.

As far as the golden gut, I disagree somewhat. You can do your homework, but there still are decisions to be made on players, and this can be risky. KP is good because he takes calculated risks, rather than flat out gambles. Drafting Travis Outlaw was a gamble, because we knew he had athleticism, but didn’t know if he would develop the skills it would take to be successful in this league. The flipside would be drafting Brandon Roy. He was in college for 3-4 years, and we had a good sense he’d be ok in the pros. Drafting is not an exact science. With KP at the helm, and the statistical analysis he uses, it is closer to an exact science than it may have been before . However, there is still a lot of risk involved. As long as KP continues to come out shining each and every draft, I’d have to say he does have a bit of a golden gut.

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Jun 30, 2008 1:12 PM PDT   0 recs

Luck=When opportunity meets hard work

I think of the Golden Gut the same way. Yeh KP works it butt off getting prepared…but occasionally two plyers are gonna be too close to call….and he has picked right more often than not. Golden gut it is

"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."

by 92wastheyear on Jun 30, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I never assumed KP rigged it.

If you read my post I said there was NO evidence either way.


Did KP break a gentleman’s promise with other teams and did he tell Charlotte to draft DJ for him?

We can’t really answer this because we were not there

My issue is with the lack of recognition that if such a thing DID happen, that it was wrong.

Draft issue:

I was disappointed not in what we did, but because my expectations had been built up somewhat. After a couple of hours I became more and more excited. What we did was perfect and I’m VERY happy with it. It was just built up a little too much. I’m just glad we didn’t need to radically change the roster but we were able to trim.

Golden gut:

KP does his homework and then makes an educated guess. I do that all the time in my job. Jordan and Vince Carter both had tons of talent. Jordan put in the hard work and so he achieved. Vince… meh.

It’s not magical, it’s hard work. I agree he also has a good instinct, as proven so far.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 30, 2008 1:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No evidence

If there’s “no evidence either way” whether KP did something wrong, why is everyone talking about it? Try this:

Did KP murder a hooker and bury her in his back yard?

There’s no evidence either way. Maybe he did, or maybe he didn’t. Let the debate commence!

by pualo on Jun 30, 2008 4:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I smell a new fan post

Well, did KP murder a hooker or not? Should we take his word for it or dig in his back yard when he’s off “scouting” somewhere?

by shralpster on Jun 30, 2008 9:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I, for one, won't stand for it

Assuming he did murder anyone, hooker or not. I just don’t think that’s proper etiquette for a GM. If this is substantiated, then I will be turning in my fan card. Thanks, but no thanks, that’s what I say to teams run by hooker murdering GM’s. And what’s more, he had the nerve to tout culture!

Although, I must admit, I really respect the guy and he has demonstrated tremendous judgment so far. Perhaps there was a good explanation for what otherwise appears to be a horrific act. Maybe this status quo for GM’s, and I’m just not in the loop. Carry on, KP!

by shralpster on Jun 30, 2008 9:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm All for It..

murdering hookers, that is. Otherwise, you’re just endorsing violence against women. To rise up and let them know that that’s not what being a Blazer fan is what is expected, if not demanded. KP has instilled a culture of hooker-murdering and it’s only up to us fans (lowly as we may be) to follow suit.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jun 30, 2008 10:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It is true but the source had the details wrong

It was buried the back yard

although it was a hamster…not a hooker (easy mistake)

that being said it WAS murder….murder most foul!!

(The wheel was driving him crazy….crazy I tell you)

"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."

by 92wastheyear on Jun 30, 2008 9:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No mere LOL here

This whole discussion made me laugh til I got tearsies.

"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." -- RIP George Carlin

by Corvid on Jun 30, 2008 9:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly!

hence my very short response when people our spouting off paragraphs.

Also… i heard it was a transvestite hooker!

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jul 1, 2008 7:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That would be

a transvestite hampster, Rat.

Perfect practice makes perfect.

by Ojala John on Jul 1, 2008 8:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ratbastird

very fine article. +1 rec.

by jamon51 on Jun 30, 2008 1:20 PM PDT   0 recs

My take.

Nates the coach and he’s going to be the coach. He’s done an excellent job already, given the complete turnover and revamp he’s had to live with. No coach in history has won like he has with so much young and inexperienced talent, and this coming year, he will have 5 rookies – count em. Three on the first two squads, and very likely Batum and Koponen on the third. I’ll bet that’s a first for the NBA. Can’t prove it because I don’t know if those statistics even exist, but you’d be h