Yippee! More Draft Day Shame!
Whoever commented in one of the bazillion posts since Thursday that we've "taken this good news really hard" was spot-on. I've been kind of rolling my eyes at some of the moralizing and hand-wringing I've read concerning Pritchslaps, what other team's fans think of us, the Sactown Royalty thread, etc., especially when there's a very real, very legitimate area of concern I have concerning KP's draft methods.
However, this whole argument hinges on presupposing a pretty dicey and braggadocio-like claim..
Dicey and Braggadocio-Like Presupposition:
That, as some here have suggested, KP inflated the perceived value of other players so Jerryd Bayless would be available nearer our lower draft slot.
Well, so what? Sounds like a good thing to me, right?
Well, maybe not so great. I was thinking about how I would have felt were I Jerryd Bayless, and to tell you the truth, I'd be pumped about coming to Portland because the real me likes the city so the JB-me probably would, too. I'd also be pumped about the prospect of playing for a good team with a bright future and an excellent system. Then there's this little nagging feeling I get when I pretend I'm Jerryd Bayless..

Here is kind of a scene that enumerates the things that constitute my JB-me non-pumped list:
JB: Oh, hey KP, thanks for the burgle and all. Seems like a great team and clearly you're a draft wizard.
KP: JB, don't mention it. We're happy to have you on our squad and I'm glad I'm so slick that I could turn the thirteenth pick and change into YOU!
JB: Yeah, KP.. hey - that reminds me of kinda what I came to talk to you about.
KP: Speak your mind, JB. My door's always open.
JB: Thanks, well, I guess I'll start by saying that, uh, leading up to the draft, well, I thought I was pretty good.
KP: I should hope so, JB! We had you at #4 on our draft board!
JB: Yeah, and that's where a lot of highly-touted mock drafters had me, as well. You know, people who know what they're doing and are so good at it that they get paid for it.
KP: I couldn't do my job without them!
JB: Yeah, it's funny you mention that, 'cause it seems like you sure pulled one over on 'em - GMs, too! I'd say you really helped them decide I'm not very good.
KP: Well, I don't like to brag, but I think we did a pretty good job with that whole thing, thanks.
JB: Except, well, you know, it was kind of embarassing. Being on national TV and all. Having to watch DJ go before me. Falling out of the top 10, even. I kinda thought I might have, you know, gotten a little more glory than that, considering how hard I've worked and all the time and energy I put into it. Also, that's kind of trivial compared to the fact that, were it not for my being oh-so-cleverly burgled, I'd have gone, oh, let's say, 4th which is where we agreed I was rated -
KP: - uh huh -
JB: Well, so if I go 4th, I get to sign a contract for $2,911,400 my first year. As I went where you had Indiana get me, I sign for $1,661,300. Even worse, both contracts are guaranteed for two years, so the difference in salaries becomes $2,593,900 - that's more than what I make in a season now! Considering how years three and four are team options and the fifth year is a qualifying offer, I don't even have any say in my contract until 2012! And as far as the disparity between 4th and 11th pay's concerned, it just keeps getting worse and worse as the years progress. Plus, the best thing I can get out of this is to be the "making people pay for passing me up" guy, but then I think that you were kind of the guy who helped make that happen. Sure, other GMs can make up their own minds, but if we do stick with me going 4th, then I don't have to start my career as the underdog and have weird feelings towards some Draft Day Mabuse who orchestrated this epic collapse in the public's estimation of my value. Plus, I'm seriously out MILLIONS of dollars. I'm happy to be here and I guess it shows you really want me on the team considering the lengths you went to and all, but I'd be a ton happier if, you know, in the future you didn't screw with my life just so I can help things fall into your plans. Is this weird for you too?
KP: *
SCENE
* The only problem I encounter is I don't have anything for KP to say to that. I just come up with nothing** when I put on my KP-me hat. I thought I'd toss it out to the wise old BEdgers.
**The only thing I can come up with is KP saying "You kill the thing that you love" while smashing a brandy snifter in his clutch, then grabbing his cane and cloak and flying out of the building. And then there's a sillhouette of him against the moon and he flies right up to the camera and he has Michael Jackson's Thriller eyes! And then Vincent Price laughs.
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This was my favorite yet
This is my favorite fanpost of yours yet.
Let’s say KP did ‘crack the code’ of the draft and fiddled with its dinghy so that Bayless fell to #11… I am positive KP can look Bayless in the eye and say with utter conviction that he did no such thing and that those other teams are fools, DAMN fools no less, and that TOGETHER they will prove the entire NBA wrong.
Bayless leaves KP’s office energized, and feeling as one with KP. He’d take a bullet for his GM, and his purpose in life becomes being the bestest lil’ Bayless Drug Store he can be.
The next test for KP will be if he can ween himself off of his big draft day addiction…
He could simply look Bayless in the eye and say “Culture”, or tell Bayless that even though he’s a great kid ON the court, he’s an even better one OFF the court. And then he can say “And, uh, you know, the fun thing is, I pwned you, and that’s the fun thing about this process”.
If all else fails, KP can push the big red button on his desk and 8 feet tall Paul Allen-designed golden robots will barge in and beat up Bayless for insubordination. How do you think Miles qualified for medical retirement?!
Are there still Payless Drug Stores, or are they all RiteAids now? I still hear “Merry Christmas, from Payless, Merry Chrrriiiiistmmaaasss” in my head at 10 to the hour, every hour.
If Payless is around in a capacity besides their shoe stores, I smell buckoo marketing dollars that will more than make up for the loss in pay from his draft free fall.
One meeting with KP, and Bayless will be like puddy in his hands, even if he heard this sort of rumor was true. He’ll leave the office just feeling honored that KP even knew his name, let alone went through all this trouble to steal him away.
And then after he apologizes to KP for even bringing it up, a mysterious package shows up in his locker and has a swiss bank account number that MAGICALLY contains the exact amount to the dollar he is losing by not being a #4 pick. The Billionaire Fairy struck again!
That’s how we’re getting Chris Paul, by the way.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jun 30, 2008 2:45 AM PDT 2 recs
"That's the Fun Thing About This Process"
Is cracking me up – in fact, let’s say best KP quip gets pasted into the post as a final update. This one is the pace car. Game on!
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on
Jun 30, 2008 3:05 AM PDT
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ROFL
This is my favorite comment of yours yet.
I still hear that “Merry Christmas from Payless” jingle, too. And you reminded me, and it wasn’t at ten till the hour. And I’m really upset about you doing that, because this is a family site, and you don’t want to put things like that in the kids’ brains.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on
Jun 30, 2008 5:00 AM PDT
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I can't believe you guys
I hadn’t heard that in years, and it’s now stuck in my head. Yikes, this is bad.
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by mark twain on
Jun 30, 2008 7:52 AM PDT
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ditto
that always pops up around christmas and now it’s stuck in my brains.
GET IT OUTS! GET IT OUTS I SAY!!!
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on
Jun 30, 2008 8:36 AM PDT
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All the native Oregonians know this one
Every Xmas is runs thru my brain!!! Awesome since I thought it was only me
"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."
by 92wastheyear on
Jun 30, 2008 11:15 AM PDT
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So unrealistic Morty
.....Paul Allen-designed golden robots will barge in and beat up Bayless for insubordination. How do you think Miles qualified for medical retirement?!
I mean, come on. No offense, but something Paul Allen designed serving a useful purpose?!
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by prezofdeath on
Jun 30, 2008 8:51 AM PDT
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Damn you, Mortimer!
Now I have that jingle in my head!
Remember this one? “Happy holidays…from the Squire Shop…to yooouuuuu!”
by DonkeyShins on
Jun 30, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
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no
but he i bet every one finished the jingle with the long …..merry criiiiiiiiismaas
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
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by ptwnblzr on
Jul 2, 2008 12:50 AM PDT
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You sir are cruel
I’ll be singing that jingle around the house for months now.
I am the master of my fate, I am the Captain of my soul. - Charles Wesley
by Earl on
Jun 30, 2008 2:42 PM PDT
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Is this technically in third person?
President of the Petteri Koponen fan club.
by Sabonis4Ever on
Jun 30, 2008 11:23 PM PDT
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Amazing!
Another reason people need to stop worshipping the ground Pritchard walks on, lest do we forget where we came from too.
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by Devyn on Jun 30, 2008 2:58 AM PDT 0 recs
Oh, you are a pot stirrer, you lil stinker. Good job. ;0
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by annthefan on Jun 30, 2008 3:13 AM PDT 0 recs
OK, I'm going to crash this party
I think the whole thing is really very simple. There were 12 spots prior to our pick in the draft, and 47 spots after our pick. There are 29 teams other than ours, and the fact is that out of those other 29 teams, not one of them felt the need or desire to go after Jarryd Bayless and get him like we did. Not one team. They either didn’t want him, or they were complacent. Their scouts saw the same games our scouts did. They had the same access to background information that we did. If KP overhyped some of the players in this draft, and the rest of the GM’s ate that up, then don’t blame KP. Blame the stupid GM’s who like lemmings and sheep jumped over the cliff like all the other sheep in front of them. Good lord, these guys are professionals for crying out loud, and the way they got caught fumbling around on draft day has exposed their own incompetence.
Do I feel sorry for Sacramento? I do a little bit for their fans in the sense that their fans hopes were let down. Shoot, I’ve had about 7 consecutive years of that as a Blazer fan. However, if Jarryd Bayless was Sacramento’s man, then may I ask what exactly Sacramento did in order to get him on their roster? Well, they sat at #12 and crossed their fingers hoping he would fall. What did KP do? He ran EVERY scenario out prior to the draft, and had many contengency plans in place. KP did his job, and quite frankly he is the best in the league at what he does. If there is a GM who earns his paycheck in this league, hands down it is Kevin Pritchard.
One example I’ll give is poker. I love poker, I consider myself to be a moral person, yet poker is full of lying. Does playing poker then make me immoral? No, because the things that are taking place during a poker game are in the context and confines of how that game is structured, and everybody who is playing has agreed that those things are acceptable within that context. Sometimes it is the best liar who ends up winning a poker game. If I looked at the other players card’s in order to win, it would be wrong. However, the good poker players can use their betting, their raising of people’s bets, their table position, and the body language of their opponents to make an educated guess as to what cards their opponents have. Those things are perfectly legal to do, and the people who can do them well should be praised for their talent. The same is true for KP….yet there is a faction of people now who are suddenly tring to cast a shadow on him. Those of you who are doing this should really be ashamed of yourself. Perhaps you are bitter because you spent all of your money paying for your memberships to the Steve Patterson and John Nash fan clubs.
For the people on this site who are trying to make it out as if KP did something unethical or immoral, I simply do not see where you are coming from. Honestly, I think it’s silly. If KP lied, backed out of made deals, or illegally tapped into phone lines of other GM’s, that’s one thing. As it is though, I am really surprised at what I would consider to be borderline slander by some of you of Kevin Pritchard. If Jarryd Bayless was worthy of the #4 pick, then be mad at Seattle. If he was worthy of the #5, then blame Memphis. And so on. For whatever reason, they did not see him as a can’t miss player when their time to pick came. Their loss is our gain.
It has even been speculated that some teams picked a player thinking another team behind them in the draft order would try to make a trade with them. For all of you trying to criticize KP for his methods, it seems to me you should be criticizing those teams as well. After all, they are guilty of hijacking a player, and trying to keep another team from getting him….That is of course, unless they are willing to pay a hefty ransom. (Think Dr. Evil here)
So please don’t be hypocritical. Lighten up. Give thanks to God that we have KP instead of some of the alternatives we could have had instead. ** It’s good to be a Blazer.
Can I buy you a fish sandwich?
by silkybrown on Jun 30, 2008 5:00 AM PDT 2 recs
great rebuttle
I think you’ve made your case, and I couldn’t agree with you more. I got a little worried after Ben’s post saturday, but that was only because it originally made it sound like KP had a deal with Charlotte that he never intended to follow through with. That’s obviously not the case. And you’re right, Bayless falling to 11 is our gain, and really his as well.
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by mark twain on
Jun 30, 2008 7:56 AM PDT
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I totally agree
so, for KP’s response…
- Jables, I didn’t twist anyone’s arm out there yesterday. I saw you as the #4 talent and I went out there and got you. Now it’s up to you to prove the teams wrong that passed on you, and when it’s time for your new contract, you’ll be happy you’re playing for Paul Allen.
by shralpster on
Jun 30, 2008 9:09 AM PDT
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perfect response
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
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by mark twain on
Jun 30, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
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My Rebuttal
If KP overhyped some of the players in this draft, and the rest of the GM’s ate that up, then don’t blame KP.
Really, I think “blame” is a little out-of-context. This post wasn’t intended to demonize KP or find fault in his character. It was simply an exploration of, were I Jerryd Bayless, how comfortable I’d feel with KP being my new boss AND the person who helped me “fall” to 11th – stupid GMs or not, I think we can all agree his perceived value plummeted right before the draft and I do believe KP had something to do with it. As a Blazer fan, I cheer for it. As a human, I’m not so sure.
Does playing poker then make me immoral?
No, of course, not. However, when you play poker it is up to you how you do and any chips won or lost will be your financial gain or loss. This is something different, as we’re dealing with the valuation and selection of real human beings. If you hold two Kings and pass them off as Jacks, the Kings aren’t suddenly paid what Jacks normally get. Let’s face it, for whatever reason, Jerryd Bayless has lost out on more than 5 million dollars by slipping as far as he did. If KP had anything whatsoever to do with that, I’d be feeling a little wary of him were he my boss.
I think it really comes down to two questions:
1. Did JB slip in the draft, costing him money?
And I think the answer is yes.
2. Was KP responsible for that in any way?
And I really don’t know the answer. I thought I’d put it out to the BEdgers. I’m not trying to “cast a shadow” on him and I don’t highly appreciate your lumping me in that category (if said category even exists). I also don’t think I need to lighten up – I’m just trying to get an answer to a question that’s been nagging me for a while. Thanks for the response, though.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on
Jun 30, 2008 12:48 PM PDT
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Money doesn't translate from speculation
Just because JB was mocked by professionals as the 4th pick doesn’t mean that his slip in the draft was caused by a deliberate effort by KP to screw with GM’s. Seattle worked him out, heck, even Pat Riley worked him out, with the thought that he could twist Minny or Seattle into dealing for the 2. Does that mean that KP really screwed JB out of the #2 pick in the draft? No, that is ludicrous, because we know his value wasn’t = #2 pick status. The fact that Seattle picked Westbrook over JB shouldn’t be attributed to KP; as others have mentioned, GM’s are professionals at what they do. A case could be made that JB truly didn’t deserve to go in the top 10 based on need at those positions, and it just so happens that that’s what happened. Everyone may believe that JB wrongly slid in the draft, and rightfully belonged in the top 5, but his slide should be blamed on GM’s picking in #’s 4-10, not on KP.
by premthegrem on
Jun 30, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
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So You're Saying..
The KP Smokescreen Pritchslap isn’t true? That’s to say, I’ve definitely heard people say “KP fooled the whole league into passing on Jerryd”. If it’s true, I’d say it’s a bit of a moral quandary. If it isn’t, no harm no foul. I’m a little skeptical myself, regardless.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on
Jun 30, 2008 2:06 PM PDT
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By fooling the league
I think they mean that no one saw this one coming. Not that he fooled the league into thinking Bayless sucks.
You think the other GM’s were fooled into thinking he sucks, but are now drooling over the move because we picked him and they now see the light? Come on now…...
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by iDea on
Jun 30, 2008 3:15 PM PDT
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gotta agree...
We never worked him out. What does it matter what KP thinks in this case? That would be like if you went to France for a vacation and had a pretty good impression. Then someone who never has gone there says ‘France sucks. Sweden is so much better, I’ve been there.’ And then you decide that they’re right and you stop planning your next trip to France and book a flight to Sweden.
by einman77 on
Jun 30, 2008 3:24 PM PDT
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For the purposes of this debate..
I think it would be more like wanting to go to France but wanting to keep it for yourself so you talk up all the other Euro nations so people will go there instead. Then you sign France to a contract befitting a lower-rated tourist destination and encourage the country to “show the other tourists up” for not vacationing with you.
If I was France in this metaphor, I’d be like “thanks for coming, but I’d prefer it if you didn’t play the market with my wallet so much”.
As a note, Leif Erickson pretty much did this when he explored the Isles west of Vikingland. He named the green, habitable region “Iceland” and the icy, inhospitable region “Greenland” so people would want to go there instead and he could keep Iceland for himself. Or something like that.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on
Jun 30, 2008 7:18 PM PDT
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I'd say it's like that EXCEPT
everybody, including yourself, is a travel agent by profession.
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by iDea on
Jun 30, 2008 7:31 PM PDT
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I’m listening, but I’m not hearing you. I’d like to get what you’re saying – is it that we’re all out to make a buck on perceived value? I’m really drawing a blank on the metaphor-within-a-metaphor-within-a-metaphor here.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on
Jun 30, 2008 7:34 PM PDT
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No
In your metaphor, you’re talking about hyping all the other Euro nations besides France, all the while you’re planning on visiting France. Your plan is to influence everyone so that France isn’t crowded. What I’m adding, is that everyone, including yourself, is a travel agent by profession. They KNOW what France is all about. They know what all the other Euro nations are about and shouldn’t be influenced by your plan because they’ve done their due diligence.
Get it?
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by iDea on
Jun 30, 2008 7:55 PM PDT
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Yep.
Let’s just come out and say this:
If I were a fan of a team that didn’t have KP as the GM and my GM said “Well, KP didn’t say this guy is good, so I’m going to have to pass” I’d be furious or at the least disappointed. Everyone should do their homework, even the (ultimately powerless) fans.
What this whole post was about was totally different, though. I can only take from the comments that I didn’t do a very good job of conveying what I thought, but here it is, in a sentence, one more time:
People laud KP for “fooling the league into passing on Bayless”*, which results in Bayless dropping and us getting him with the 11th pick by trade; people seem to not care that Bayless dropping to us has an effect on Bayless, so either a) KP isn’t the puppetmaster some make him out to be, or b) He is, and a real human being has paid (paid in the literal, monetary sense) for his own Pritchslapping.
- Here are two fanposts that exemplify the adoration to which I keep referring:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/6/27/560238/why-bayless-dropped (read the last sentence)
and http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/6/26/559701/a-new-form-of-pritchslap-b
Those seem pretty adoring of our GM’s tactics, no?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on
Jun 30, 2008 8:34 PM PDT
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That's the thing though
KP didn’t fool people into passing on Bayless in any possible way. In fact, it’s just as correct to state that if it wasn’t for KP drafting Bayless, he may have fell even further. You never know….....so in fact, KP SAVED BAYLESS SOME MONEY.
Besides, it’s pretty hard to feel bad for a guy who’s still making millions at 19. If he fell out of the first round and lost out on a guaranteed contract, then I’d feel bad (slightly).
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by iDea on
Jun 30, 2008 8:52 PM PDT
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I'm with you
Totally agreed. I’m not trying to pass JB off as some Somalian with a distended stomach. I have no penny jar in his name, nor do I have a “help JB” fund in the works.
I keep saying it, and it seems people keep misinterpreting it, but here it is again:
If KP helped JB’s stock fall leading up to the draft and I were JB, I’d be pissed.
I can’t get it any simpler than that, and if the posts to which I linked above insinuate that the first part is true, ergo is the latter.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on
Jun 30, 2008 10:36 PM PDT
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First of all
you’re operating outside the paradigm of the nba draft:
There is no such thing as guaranteed value for a player before he is drafted.
KP obviously has gone on record saying that JB was the #4 prospect on the blazers board. That means that he believes that JB slipped in the draft, even by his own mock. However, that doesn’t mean that KP engineered this to happen. Like I mentioned earlier, the GM’s that picked from 4-10 were responsible for his slide, not KP. JB might be angry at KP for the smoke and mirrors, but if he understands the nba as a business, he won’t truly be pissed. You have to go by the paradigm, man.
by premthegrem on
Jun 30, 2008 11:09 PM PDT
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kp said
he was the number 4 prospect, or talent, but his board played out exactly to the 15, after was beyond his intrest. that should be interesting. that tells a story, mabee?
However, that doesn’t mean that KP engineered this to happen.and your statement doesnt meen he didnt, either. the circumstance leaves room(albiet small) for doubt, enough for a defence atorny any way. to point, no one is acusing kp of tampering, just infering a hypothetical, and with said assumed to platform discution of a moral delema, seasoned with resentment.
I personally agree with shralpster on this one, assuming kp made this relativley large sale, I find myself hardpressed to doubt his ability to close a 19 year old kid. kps a light man, obviously, and all bayless will see leaving kps office is the pritty, shiney, bling of a fistful of nba rings.
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
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by ptwnblzr on
Jul 2, 2008 1:34 AM PDT
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As I posted earlier...
I don’t buy into the storyline of Pritchard having Jedi mindtrick abilities that enabled him to fool other GM’s. He just works hard to make sure he’s better prepared than his competition. Plus he has the knack of being able to think a step or two ahead of everyone else. Great fighter pilots have that knack. Guys like Wayne Gretsky had it. As have guys like Napoleon (for awhile anyway).
And on the slim chance that Pritchard actually does possess the whole Jedi thing, well so much the better for us. I see absolutly no moral issue with regard to legally manipulating the draft and his GM peers to get what he wanted.
by timg56 on
Jun 30, 2008 4:22 PM PDT
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Especialy since
the way he supposedly did it was by talking up other guys and enticing other teams to try to screw us over! It isn’t like he was talking about how bad Bayless was or leaking fake medical reports saying his knee was damaged or something. See what I am getting at?
"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."
by 92wastheyear on
Jun 30, 2008 4:28 PM PDT
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Let me set the record straight
My post was never intended to target you. so I am sorry if you took it the wrong way. That wasn’t my intention in the least. I fully realize you are writing from the possible perspective of Jarryd Bayless. What I wrote was written to the people I feel are assasinating KP’s character (and there is evidence all over this site in regards to that from the past few days) with what I consider is circumstancial evidence at best. I did not lump you into a category. In fact, If you go back and read what I wrote, I said that there is a faction of people on this site who are guilty of assuming the worst about Kevin Pritchard, and I think it is inappropriate. I never explicitly said you were part of that group, and I didn’t mean to come across as if I were implying that.
I do disagree though about the responsibility of Jarryd Bayless slipping being put on KP. It seems to me that if Jarryd Bayless was such a can’t miss prospect at pick #4, then he would have been picked. If Jarryd Bayless was so stinking good, teams would never let him get past them. An extreme example of this would have been us picking Durant last year. I pretty much guarentee Oden wouldn’t have slipped past #2 Seattle. The Grizzlies GM could have put out some smoke screens about the health of Greg Oden, but c’mon. Oden wasn’t going to slip. There were however, other factors that contributed to Bayless slipping, which may have very well had nothing to do with KP at all. Factors would include team needs, the perception that he’s not a pure point guard, opinions that GM’s held of players, etc.
Let me make a case to illustrate how things may have transpired.
It isn’t unreasonable to think Seattle may have decided Westbrook was the best PG at that point in the draft. Portland was only one of many teams who reported he worked out very well. He has tremendous upside, athleticism, and was he not the defensive player of the year in the best NCAA basketball conference last year?
Memphis has a glut of point guards, therefore they passed on picking one.
New York was infatuated with the Euro and most mock drafts predicted that.
The Clippers (who probably should have gotten a point guard) went for Gorden. Gee, which draft in the past 20 years have the Clippers not screwed up?
The Bucks got a player they felt had huge upside in Alexander.
Charlotte has not given their current point guard a vote of confidence. They very well may have been in the market for one…OH, let’s not forget the astounding draft record of Michael Jordan. Either way,
I don’t care what anyone says, Augustin is really good. The only knock on him is his height. It wasn’t a terrible pick for the Bobcats.
New Jersey’s pick made sense for them, because they’ve got Devin Harris and Marcus Williams at PG.
Then we come to Indiana. They took care of their PG situation earlier in the day. KP decided to make a trade with them and it all worked out.
So where is the conspiracy? Where is the scheming of KP that caused Bayless to slip? If KP is to be believed, he went on record to say that he had accurately predicted the first 15 picks of the draft. That means he probably had a deal in place with Indiana prior to the draft, because he was probably able to figure out in his dealings with other GM’s what they were after. I find it kind of hard to believe he knew Sacramento was going to pick the Rider kid, unless he believed the Rider kid was their contingency plan. KP definitely seemed to know that Westbrook, Augustin, and Bayless would all be off the board prior to the #12 pick. That’s why he did something about it, instead of sit on his hands like Sacramento did.
So anyway, I apologize if you felt I was personally coming at you 12sharks. That really wasn’t the case. I liked your post. Your drawing of Bayless could have been better though. You made him look like he is a victim of thalidomide.
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by silkybrown on
Jun 30, 2008 1:56 PM PDT
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Agreed
Here’s what I’m saying: Post-draft, everyone was cheering KP for smokescreening the league into passing up on Bayless. If that’s the case, then he kind of had a hand in screwing Bayless over, right?
If it isn’t, then let’s not give credit where it’s undue. His move to shoot past Sac is, to me, super smart and totally stand-up. Of course, that’s what we pay him for and an excellent “poker” move. If he did manipulate the ENTIRE draft into Bayless free-falling to 11 (which I think is rather unlikely), then I think the human cost (Bayless’ losses) outweighs the gain in basketball talent. At least for me (and presumably Bayless), anyway. To put it simply, a cheer for the KP smokescreen is a cheer for Bayless’ loss, right?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on
Jun 30, 2008 2:18 PM PDT
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No credit where not due
Of course. Lots of people around here credit KP with stuff he couldn’t possibly do.
Next thing you know, they’ll be wanting him to rule the world.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on
Jun 30, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
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Wow, he might actually represent a threat to your whole world domination plan!
You better get the sooper-dooper 3-phased plasma incineration ray-gun warmed up.
Blazermania - It's not just for die-hards anymore.
by Blazerholic on
Jun 30, 2008 4:03 PM PDT
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Which is your job.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on
Jun 30, 2008 7:09 PM PDT
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Yeah, I know
I may have to let him be a figurehead to keep the masses happy. It’s ok, I can deal with it. I don’t need everyone else to know how wonderful I am, because, you see, I know it myself so well. Let KP have his day, or year, or decade in the sun.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on
Jul 1, 2008 1:31 PM PDT
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How has Bayless "lost" anything.
It is not as if he had a guarantee to be the 4th pick. No one walked up to him and took a check for $2,593,900 out of his hands.
What Bayless has is an opportunity to make more money than anybody here. More than that, he’s now guaranteed to get a a couple of million dollars, even if he never makes it into an NBA game. All of that for playing a game. And at the age of 19. As I mention below, he should sending prayers of thanks and jubulation to his maker. (Which he most likely is.)
At some point we have to lose this whole victim mentality. A couple of years from now we might have an idea of who “won” the draft, based on how well their picks have performed. But there won’t be any losers. At worst there will be teams who may have squandered their pick(s) and fans of those teams who think they can do a better job as a GM.
by timg56 on
Jun 30, 2008 4:35 PM PDT
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the idea is that 2 weeks before the draft
he was a consencus top 5, with erning potential of a top 5….....until the money is in his pocket, and his name is signed, he cantg TECKNICKLY lose anything,ok yah, i get it. but are you unablde to make the mental leep, that i can make, and I am not that great a jumper(14 inch standing vert) or just unwilling? your quibbaling with a line of thinking that is being used as a foundation peice for a hypothetical question. why?
if your projected income is consistantly 60 to 80k and company changes,(wether influenced by outside sources, a broken link in the management chain, ie agenda, or efforts to retool an inharently flawed system) favoring lower producers directly affect you erning potential(while you maintain or IMPROVE you companys proffet margines),dont you think you might feel sonething other then pure(next part with redickulus sarcasm) gratitude for just having a job. would you feal like you might have lost some incume, couse I certainly do. do you think you might hold a grudge and not perform as well? and Im only talking about 30 to 40 k over a year, now true nobody took it out of my hands, but everybody knew it was there, it was projected, consencous, based on past body of work. he was a concenses top five with a projected income that he was probably starting to really feal. ever whear he read, everyone that he knew, every person that he interacted with, all outside projections were universally uniform. “i figure the least you could possibly make…...” is a phrase that he has heard more then bitterness grants permition for a 19 year old to be making that kind of money. heck, 30 to 40 a lot of money and I should be greatful, since its way more then I actually need, and more then any body in a mexican prison is making. or are we the only ones that matter?
if you on papor, you drew up an agreement binding you to pay him the difference from 11 to 4 if he would bye the idea that he made more money then he could of, or even that he didn’t loose any money at all, that he was fairly paid his worth, you would walk out not owing a cent. you could not sell him that idea, even if you threw the 2 goodlooking nympho maniacs kp picked up in that trade for sexually agresive charlette fan
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
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by ptwnblzr on
Jul 2, 2008 2:42 AM PDT
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KP
He didn’t once murmur the words Jerryd Bayless. Let’s not credit him with causing the slide.
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by iDea on
Jun 30, 2008 3:13 PM PDT
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Exactly
If he fooled anyone about anything related to Bayless, it’s that he fooled people into thinking Bayless wasn’t on KP’s radar at all, and that he liked the other guards and SFs better.
That’s probably the smoke screen KP references… not revealing your real target, even in passing, and pumping up others as a sleight of hand.
Since KP talks to every GM every day, he gets info out of them. Maybe he poopoo’d to them that he didn’t like Bayless, but publicly (which is analysed by other teams just like we analyse it) KP never said a thang about Bayless, ever.
It worked on me—I didn’t think we had a shot at the kid, because the price to move up would be so steep.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Jun 30, 2008 3:24 PM PDT
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If I'm standing in for KP...
... my reply to Bayless, if he doesn’t like shralpster’s one, is that “Life is hard and then you die.”
If Bayless is bummed by losing out on #4 slot money, that’s his problem. After all, there were no guarantees granted Bayless or any other player as to where they would end up. Instead of feeling like he’s been cheated out of something that was “his”, he should be thanking the good Lord for being so blessed as to have the opportunity to earn amounts of money most of us can only dream about and do it playing a game. So far Bayless hasn’t earned anything yet. All he has done is impression one Kevin Pritchard enough to expend what is basically the #11 draft pick on him. Now he has to prove that he’s worth even that.
by timg56 on
Jun 30, 2008 4:15 PM PDT
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copy and paste
yes im bitter, but dude serioulsy,
Now he has to prove that he’s worth even that.
that makes me want to go sock my boss
if you on papor, you drew up an agreement binding you to pay him the difference from 11 to 4 if he would bye the idea that he made more money then he could of, or even that he didn’t loose any money at all, that he was fairly paid his worth, you would walk out not owing a cent. you could not sell him that idea, even if you threw the 2 goodlooking nympho maniacs kp picked up in that trade for sexually agresive charlette fan
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
Mom
by ptwnblzr on
Jul 2, 2008 2:47 AM PDT
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oh yeah
he could thearieticly sandbag hear for 2 years, so we dont pick up the team option, or get cut, or catch the injury bug, like me playing sick when Im mad at my boss and she needs me for deadlines. he is garenteed the money now. and bad moral is such a corsive thread that we might lose a lot more then his production.
me to wife- listen chick, theres a reason your overweight sister got drafted in front of you, she does dishes. now stop complaining, I let you sleep in out of the cold. and I dont care if sally gets to watch tv and has 2 blankets, your lucky I didn,t let you fall to my brother, or youed have to sleep in the garage. “life is hard and then you die”
strains of the same vain
ps..ptwnblzr for leest popular poster
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
Mom
by ptwnblzr on
Jul 2, 2008 3:09 AM PDT
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Do Jedi mind tricks count?
‘Cause I can picture KP saying to the Knicks ‘This isn’t the point guard you are looking for…’
by DonkeyShins on
Jun 30, 2008 1:46 PM PDT
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Mr. Bayless is a college sophomore next year...
............................... Don’t fret about his stunted career earnings.
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"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jun 30, 2008 9:42 AM PDT 0 recs
Is it true
I’m going to agree with Timbo? Well you got it. The fact that he is so young also likely had an effect on his draft spot. A lot of factors probably did. If Westbrook slid we may be having the same conversation about him right now.
In 5 years (at the ripe age of 24), when all is said and done, the difference between the variation of his second contract and his first will be enormous. A lot of that will be determined on how well he fit in on his first team and performed. If he performed.
by einman77 on
Jun 30, 2008 9:49 PM PDT
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If he breaks a knee a la Shaun Merriman, the disparity in guaranteed contracts will also be enormous.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on
Jun 30, 2008 10:38 PM PDT
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Nothing is guaranteed
That’s for sure. But neither was his pay scale when he entered the draft.
by einman77 on
Jul 1, 2008 3:06 PM PDT
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no we wouldnt
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
Mom
by ptwnblzr on
Jul 2, 2008 3:11 AM PDT
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loved the drawing
could have made the arms shorter though.
by ChadFord on Jun 30, 2008 9:43 AM PDT 0 recs
Jerryd Bayless
you probably should have worked out for more teams. That might have kept you from falling to 11.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 30, 2008 10:43 AM PDT 0 recs
If i was a jerk,
I would say it’s your own fault for being arrogant enough to not want to work out with more teams. You assumed you would go at 4, but there are really no guarantees in this business right? You reap what you sow, son, reap what you sow. Now go earn that paycheck with your t-rex arms.
by premthegrem on Jun 30, 2008 11:12 AM PDT 0 recs
If he was brushing his executive mullet while saying that
Then I think it WAS Patterson.
Nash made bad decisions, but always came across as a nice enough guy to me who made some funnies sometime. I could not STAND Steve Patterson, with his nepotism based career and arrogant ‘suit’ ways.
Everytime he was on TV it just screamed SUIT SUIT I AM A TOOL AND A SUIT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BASKETEERING.
By all accounts, he was a suit… scientifically speaking.
Mortimer



