Stop using the term "Pritch-slap". Now!
by Timmay! on Jun 28, 2008 4:35 PM PDT
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After the draft, Kevin Pritchard did an interview in Portland where he explicitly stated he did not like the term "pritch-slapped". I can't say I blame him. It was a cute little term at first (I really found it amusing), but it's quickly taken a life of its own.
There's all kinds of reasons the term should NOT become permanent part of Blazer lexicon. Let's go over a few:
1. By yelling "PRITCH-SLAPPED" every time Pritchard makes a deal that you consider favorable to the Blazers, you're insulting the other GM (and for that matter, the other team and their fans). This is amazingly unnecessary and really classless. On top of that, it's purely your opinion that Portland got the best end of the deal. If it turns out later they actually did not, you look even dumber.
2. Let's face it: We have an outstanding GM. And he's doing wonders in rebuilding the team. We're used to having GM's that are rated "mediocre", to be generous. And it feels so good to be happy with our recent transactions, especially compared to the days of John Nash. But if this terminology creates some legend that Pritchard is owning the other GM's, it will make them more shy about working with Portland, because their fans will curse them unless the transaction is very lopsided in their favor (GM's really don't want to be embarrassed and have fans turn on them)
3. With a little luck, Portland is about to have a very good team, for a very long time (in NBA terms). If things go right, we will NOT be the underdog. It's amazingly smug to use this term when you're on the rise. If KP was the Lakers' GM, and he made a good trade with Portland, how would you feel if LA fans were yelling "Ha ha! Pritch-Slapped!" at you all day?
Someone once said the best thing to do when scoring a touchdown is to trot over and hand the ball to the ref, like you've been there a million times before. I know that we Portland fans have had a really bad stretch, and it feels really good to finally be on the positive side of a transaction or two, but that's when you should be seeing how classy our fans really are.
We already have a thread that talks about the fans' poor reaction to Jarrett Jack's departure (and I heartily agree). If you felt those fans were classless, think about how you look when you use terms like "pritch-slapped!" about other teams. Maybe just take the ball to the ref instead, and appreciate your good fortune.
-Tim
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KP is a humble person...
he’s not a showboater. That’s likely the reason he doesn’t like the term.
Don’t worry about Kings fans, Bulls fans, or any other fans, either.
Once a year we have a newly inherited tradition where we get to absolutely own other teams. It’s all in good fun. Lighten up.
Oh, and it’s L@kers.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 28, 2008 4:53 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah he is very modest and...
Secondly, what are we suppose to be, Puritans? We don’t go to other forums and shout
PRITCHSLAP PRITCHSLAP PRITCHSLAP.
This is a Blazer’s blog, it’s Blazer biased, I see no reason why we can’t laugh at other teams management in our own environment. Sure we need to be open minded in serious discussion with other fans, but we should have to tone down what we think.
You don’t think other teams hate the Blazers? We are in a period of going from a team that’s cute, small and neutral, one that doesn’t oppose a threat to other teams success, to becoming a superpower, and NBA dynasty. other teams are going to hate us no matter what now. We used Pritchslapping all last year but it didn’t matter to other fans, now it does, and it’s easy to see why. The Blazers are going to have one of the best starting 5s in the NBA, coupled with a once in a generation center, AND a deep bench, a great front office, a good coach, along with the richest owner who will do whatever it takes to win. Look at that previous sentence, yes we are ecstatic for those very reasons, just as every other fanbase is dreading the incoming onslaught that will be the Portland Trailblazers. Subconsciously or not we are a hostile threat, and that’s why we are no longer viewed in that golden light we used to have with other communities. You think it’s a coincidence BlogaBull called Dave smug?
We need to learn to accept being hated, because it’s going to be worse when we are making finals runs.
A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!
That's funny.
There’s some smug fans here (much like there are some everywhere for all teams, that’s totally cool and welcome). But Dave’s never been one of them.
Meh, it was a Bulls fan
Pot, kettle, you know the drill.
started doing what?
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
there was at least one
really offensive one posted on Indy Cornrows.
Same one that was here and then deleted.
which word is more offensive?
I think it should be ok for Bedgers to use that term, its part of our culture right?
Whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should--Max Ehrmann
Lighten up!
This is what Sports Fans are like. I have no problem with the term and will continue to use it as needed
GO says " Sir, you fornicated vertically…observe the consequences!
by 92wastheyear on Jun 28, 2008 5:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
At the rate we're going with this phrase,
it’s likely to become outlawed on this site like its ancestor.
well it's not like we are going to be making trades till at least the trade deadline
So it shouldn’t be so prominent.
A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!
I think
he is talking about an acronym that describs greg oden fans, fans who only know him.
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
Mom
you know what
he is probably talking about the root phrase, duh(looking in mirrir)
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
Mom
I think your first thought was right...
wasn’t it something dumb like goof’s or something?
I don’t even remember.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 29, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Do other teams hate the PTB?
I think its more a case of envy. Anger is so superficial.
Whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should--Max Ehrmann
Very few fans seem to hate the Blazers
It’s really nice actually… Most people who seem envious do so in a way that says “you’re so lucky and good… I’m living vicariously though you for a bit”. It’s a welcome change after the jail-blazers years.
I totally love it. It’s one of the reasons I don’t really think we need to rub our good fortune in fans’ faces after a trade.
by Timmay! on Jun 28, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
the Bulls fans
hate the Blazer fans. But they’re all really fat guys with mustaches anyway… Da Bulls
myspace.com/marktwainindians
No they are not.
They are mustaches with really fat guys on them.
For a Bulls fan, it is the Mustache that wears the fat guy, not the other way around.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
the bulls have a pretty decent fanbase
some good charicter guys over there, not all, just like hear
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
Mom
I'm on the fence
And here’s why. A few moons ago I was defending Darius Miles from constant attack. I got a little too heated in my defense and I attacked a few guys/gals personally. I don’t think they’re on here anymore. So I’m very careful about being civil to other posters whether I agree with them or not or whether my argument is better served by taking on people directly… which I now don’t do. As far as players go, well On one hand I think we should be civil, and on the other hand I don’t think sports fandom is all that serious a thing. Or rather maybe this is the place where we can have fun and go off on athletes cause, heck they make millions and most of us don’t. So I don’t know about this one. I’m a fan of Jack and didn’t care for his treatment but I don’t like Rick Fox and was happy when Vanessa Williams divorced him cause he’s a D bag squared. So is the Mailman. So is Bill Lambeer. So I don’t know the answer on this argument and both sides have a good point.
But a reason not to use or to tone down the use of P slap is that it might hurt KP’s ability to do biz with other GM’s. We want him making good trades you know. But then maybe that time is done. No one will trade with the wizard of the Rose Garden so we’ll just have to keep the team as is and win that way and through Free Agency,
by Blazersaurus on Jun 28, 2008 5:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
was thinking the same
if pritchard gets this rep for taking advantage of other teams, no one’s gonna want to deal with him anymore…you think Ainge and Paxson even pick up the phone when he calls anymore? Now we can probably add MJ to the list…although Bird got a fine end of the deal IMO considering Indiana’s team need, if Bayless turns out to be a top-5 PG they won’t ship us anyone in the future, not out of bitterness but because the players we target turn out to be the best ones in the draft
If you make other teams look stupid for trading with you in the past, they’ll think it’s stupid to trade with you in the future
by DominicanAvenger on Jun 28, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
2 things,
first, we won’t need to make such favorable moves, probably for a long time.
second, we have assets, in the form of a deep roster, talent overseas, and plenty of picks. Whether they like it or not, teams will deal with KP because we have what they want.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 28, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
what about LaFrentz?
That’s supposed to be the next big deal, right? Even if it won’t happen till February, I doubt the events of thursday night will be forgotten immediately by GM’s around the league.
by premthegrem on Jun 28, 2008 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Look at our needs...
We don’t really have any. PG? Check. SG? Check. SF? Check. PF? Check. C? Check.
We are loaded. Our second unit could literally all start for other teams (maybe not as a whole unit, but individually). We’re as balanced as we’ve been over the last 5 years. Three pg’s, 2.5 sg’s (Web), 2.5 sf’s (Web’s other half), 2 pf’s, and 2 c’s.
I know everyone was amped about RLEC, and who knows, maybe we still do something… but realistically, how big could it be?
KP keeps saying he really likes our roster and that he likes how balanced it is. Pretty much everyone on the roster is someone HE selected. At the end of the day, IF anyone is looking for an expiring contract, few will look as good as Raef’s. So despite KP’s rep as a pillager, GM’s need him.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 28, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
just becouse we dont need others
doesnt meen we have license to be meen
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
Mom
who's being mean?
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 28, 2008 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
oh yah
there was a fanpost about a month ago that addressed that issue, Raifs, is not the only expiring contract out there, and certainly not the most atractive. as it turns out, even with our bevy of tallented peices we might not really be needed by other gms after all.
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
Mom
hurting KP's ability to deal because Bedgers utter the P-S bomb
Im confident that kind of sophomorisism is entrenched within the HS ranks only. No GM thinks because Bedgers unceremoniously wed that term to to KP for our own sick amusement, that they shouldnt make a fair deal with the guy.
I can hear Ainge now “I dunno Kev, I really dont want to get Pritch-slapped.”
Whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should--Max Ehrmann
by bow4meow on Jun 28, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That could happen...it really could
I know for a fact that Ainge calls KP: “Kev” . What Ainge doesn’t know is that KP calls him “Dan-bone”.
GO says " Sir, you fornicated vertically…observe the consequences!
by 92wastheyear on Jun 28, 2008 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
idk
I talked with a couple of guys from my work today that NEVER have been hear and at best are the most pariphery type fans, they were asking about P-S, and all slang has small town roots.
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
Mom
KP needs credibility
and other GM’s need to be able to deal with him without being afraid that they are going to be ridiculed by offensive terms like Pritsch Slapped.
Use of this term just for a few fans to gloat likely will make KP’s job that much harder.
Sports should be about the competition and winning, not name calling.
but dude,
we are not slandering opposing gm’s, nor are we profaning them. Like bow4meow said, gm’s are not going to stop dealing with KP because WE believe that they got pritchslapped. Besides, there is no guarantee that all of the incoming rookies will work out, we are just highly, highly optimistic that they will. GM’s will only stop dealing with KP if the deals they make actually end up affecting them negatively, and that won’t happen in any of the situations surrounding this draft until the season starts. Thus, our use of the phrase pritchslap is not really affecting KP’s ability to deal with GM’s. KP is gaining a reputation for being a shrewd dealer because that is what he is, not because of how we adulate him.
If the P slapped term
were only used on this thread, then perhaps no problem. But local reporters and columnists are reporting it and spreading it across the country. I think that is what concerns KP. And if it concerns KP, it should concern his fans.
by OrygunRod on Jun 28, 2008 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo. :) Good call.
My concern is not that a GM is going to say “Dude, we don’t want to get pritch-slapped”.
My concern is that the term will get widespread enough among other fans, causing fans to start looking extra-cautiously at any trade with KP… which will cause a GM to be concerned at angering their fanbase by making a trade that even hits at lopsidedness.
Many GM’s have been let go when their fanbase turns on them. If an opposing GM’s choice is status quo and quietly unhappy fans, or a trade with KP that will help in 3 years, but will make the fans angry now (and possibly his quicker departure), he may sit with status quo, and everyone loses.
Not saying it will happen. But the terminology is already spreading, it’s not just a B-edge term.
Are you kidding me?
You think GM’s are concerned with angering their fanbase?
Dude, GM’s wouldn’t ever be able to make any moves at all except getting guys like LeBron if they didn’t want to offend their own.
It’s a business. KP’s business just happens to be better than most others’.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 28, 2008 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
We'll have to disagree on this one
GM’s regularly take their fanbase into account in trades. It’s not even a dirty secret in basketball, it’s pretty well known. They don’t let their fans rule over trades, but they will stop and say “how will fans react to this?”
If your fans stop buying tickets, the rest really doesn’t matter.
In the heirarchy of sports...
fans are at the bottom. Like a large corporations front line employees, the fans make up the bulk of that specific populace, but they wield the least amount of power. That being said, when things get really bad (see Portland 3 years ago), the voice of the people gets loud enough (see not buying tickets) to where the front office must react.
But look at all the numbnut trades that get made all the time. The l@kers paid chump change for Pau, the Celtics got Garnett, we gave up CLYDE FREAKIN’ DREXLER! If the team wins, it all blows over… but that’s not to say that the GM is petitioning the fans to figure out what to do. He’s supposed to be the smart professional, not the fans. Fans are always lauded as complete homers, who rarely think they’re getting enough back in value (see nearly every trade proposal and responses brought up on this site over the last 6 months).
I don’t see how fans using pritch-slap comes to another GM not wanting to do business.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 28, 2008 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to sidetrack/hijack your thread but ...
A minor note: as one of the people who has generally been against proposed trades, I can tell you that my resistance has had little to do with the perceived value of the players involved. I just really LIKE the guys on this team right now. I know that Prince is a better all-around player than Outlaw, but Travis is my man! Some people want to win at all costs. Not me. I could never cheer for a Frankenstein team like the Celtics.
"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"
These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.
Did you root for the Blazers in '99-00?
They were a Frankenstein team, just like the Celtics.
I know what you mean about liking the players. I fall in both categories, both actually liking the guys we have, while also being a total homer who overvalues them.
NO TRADES!
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 28, 2008 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
To be honest
Yes, I did. I was hungry for a title and thought that the team full of stars obtained through trades could deliver. At the same time, I was embarrassed by the antics of Sheed, Bonzi, et al, and I never really felt they were much of a team.
Looking back, I don’t want to go through that again. But, as I said, I really like the current team, and I’m not interested in “improving” if it means losing the players to whom I’m now attached. Some might say I’m being hypocritical. I just think that I’ve learned one of life’s lessons, and I’m not quite the same person I was back then.
"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"
These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.
it's both a smart spinoff,
and a psychological thing as well. The phrase really only applies to business moves, (such as trades and drafts), which can have an inherent tendency to be vicious. The common perception is that a businessman is not going to be successful unless they are ruthless or shrewd, and this is amplified in professional sports. It just makes the activities of trading and drafting more tangible, and in a way allows us as fans to connect to these kinds of events that are normally abstract. Not to mention that saying it is kind of fun. Just a little….
the big gloat
Yea I liked reading Sac fans tail of woe thread and they were had,is that a better term?
But I want to once again take my sons and grandson to a Blazers game in LA this winter without any body hating any body. sarcastic humor is part of sports and if its not hateful then get over it.
by southern oregon on Jun 28, 2008 5:31 PM PDT reply actions
The ultimate question.
Can KP Pritchslap himself? I believe it slaps both ways. Right now we’re on the giving end, eventually KP will make a mistake of his own doing and we’ll call it self Pritchslap.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
refer to KP = Chuck Norris thread:
KP can pritchslap anyone except himself. That is an axiom.
I'll echo what was said above
Smack talk is a part of sports. These GM’s have too much pride to let something like this change the way they make deals. If anything, it will help the Blazers to be secretly feared by other GM’s. However, I don’t think we can call this a P-slap until we’ve seen what both of these guys can do. KP may very well have P-slapped himself.
So we decided just to call ourselves "The Band". -Richard Manuel
Pro golfers don't avoid tournaments....
because they heard Tiger Woods might be playing. They want to play him and they want to beat him. Never mind the fact that they generally wilt like day old lettuce if he gets within 10 strokes of them.
No matter how good we thing Pritchard is and no matter how good he really is, the other GMs will continue to trade with him and try to out fox him ESPECIALLY if they think he’s the best.
In a way, we are helping him more than hurting him with our gloating. The bigger the myth, the more anxious other GMs will get and the more mistakes they will potentially make. At some point they will begin to beat themselves. This may have already happened with Jordan.
It is quite important to realize, though, that Pritchard is not perfect and will make mistakes. For all we know he already has. The thing is to enjoy the ride. It’s a wild and wonderful one.
"You don’t visit the coast, then ask where you could get some average seafood." -tominhawaii
by -ken on Jun 28, 2008 5:44 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
touche
+1
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 28, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It's funny
when people +1 other posts but don’t recommend them…
;)
by jamon51 on Jun 28, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
you know what...
I always forget you can rec the comments…
I’m new to this rec’ing thing.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 28, 2008 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
I listened to a podcast with Donnie Walsh a while back and he said you don’t have to win a trade, it can just be fair. The Indiana trade was fair. They could have taken Rush with their pick. Instead they took the BPA then traded back to get their guy and picked up two additional cheap players.
Pritchslap is offensive. It’s basically calling the other GM a whore and KP a pimp and it implies that KP likes to beat women.
<-;-)
by tominhawaii on Jun 28, 2008 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The lesson here may even be:
You’d rather be the team that trades with Portland than the team that doesn’t.
After the Bayless deal, GMs will try to be Indy, and avoid being the Bobby Kittens or Sac O’ Mentos.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
I still think the Indy deal helped both teams too
Which is related to why I’m frustrated at the p-slap term getting overused.
Oh, totally.
It’s Charlotte and Sacramento, not Indy, that are viewed as getting worked over, and I’m inclined to agree.
It’s not like when we got the Roy pick from Boston, where people view the team we DID deal with as getting “Pritchslapped”.
This time, it’s the teams on the sideline watching us deal that come off looking bad.
(And by the way, what Boston got for the Roy pick was some very disposable players,
plus they turned Raef’s expiring-in-2009 contract into Ratliff’s expiring-in-2008 contract;
both elements, especially TREC, made the KG trade possible.
Would you rather have Roy or Sebastian Telfair? Easy call. But Roy or KG?
I think by giving themselves expiring contracts in the 2007 offseason, the Celtics set up the KG trade
a year previously, ON PURPOSE, with the intent of being able to trade for something this past year.
Thus, in hindsight, it turns out that was a trade where BOTH teams got better:
For a team with a valuable vet like Pierce, the ability to trade for a big name means more than young talent.
For a team blowing it up and starting over, the draft pick and cap relief a year later than Boston matter more.
Both teams were improved by that trade.)
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
Exactly!
Which is why, while I think the term was cute originally, it’s not a representation of KP’s body of work.
We had to eat Francis’ contract (mostly) in the NY trade. Essentially, we traded one dead weight for another. The difference is, we no longer put our dead-weight from that trade in the lineup. Can you imagine NY’s delight when the were getting ride of Francis for Randolph? I’m not too familiar with Francis, but I think NY felt like they came out way ahead on that one.
I think that GM’s look for deals that are mutually beneficial (or that both sides will like), and the term pritchslapped, is antithetical to what he does—it’s just what it looks like to us. To continue the golf metaphor, we could say that Tiger “owns” all the guys he beats. But I doubt he thinks of it this way. They’re both doing the same thing, just one does it much, much better.
To transfer the analogy, both GM’s are trying to make deals that their trading partner(s) will like, while simultaneously making their own team as good as possible. KP just does it much, much better than most anyone else; I doubt KP’s thinking about “owning” someone in the process. KP didn’t take advantage of Isaiah in NY: Isaiah’s a grown man doing a job where a the bar for success is very high. He didn’t have to trade with us.
by Montavilla Steve on Jun 29, 2008 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I, for one, absolutely despise the term that Pritchslap is derived from.
And thank you Mr. inHawaii for being the first to point out the similarities. You’re my hero.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
from my relatively weak understanding of etymology,
I believe that many slang/offensive words are derivatives of words that are commonly used in the english language, and that are not considered to be offensive. Then, why can’t an inoffensive term be derived from one that is considered offensive? Why should the term pritchslap be considered profane just because it sounds the same, when it’s meaning is totally different?
and it doesn't sound exactly the same
so its not even like the term has two meanings, one good and one bad. Pritchslap is completely different.
What do you think of when you first hear the term?
It casts a certain connotation on the new term, like it or not.
On urbandictionary.com,
Pritchslap: To get the better of someone in a deal. Named after Portland Trail Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard.
I won’t post the meaning of the other word, but I can swear to you that on that dictionary site, it doesn’t mean anything close to the word pritchslap. I truly echo what Dheepan wrote below, the word itself has more to do with Pritchard’s name, than with the original term. I think phrasing the new term to sound like the original term is less about connotation and more about pure sound.
by premthegrem on Jun 28, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That.... is.....
AWESOME!!!!!!
I love urbandictionary.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 28, 2008 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You know the first thing I see after you say that
Is the clown. And then I take it as a joke. Then again I would have anyways.
I think the “it comes from blahblah so it’s offensive to blahblah” is so overplayed in our culture. Like “You know you should sag your pants, it comes from prison jumpsuits.” That isn’t the first thing I think of, and I don’t think that’s the first thing most people think of either. Maybe more people hang around pimps and prostitutes than I do but I digress… I don’t think it’s called pritchslap because of that, but because “slap” sounds better phonetically than any other wor, “kick, punch, scratch, tickle, bite…” see it’s perfect.
A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!
I'm just sick of the term and I can see why others don't like it
Did you hear that KP gave a guy change for a dollar, and two of the quarters were from 1987?
Boy he sure Pritchslapped that guy.
<-;-)
by tominhawaii on Jun 28, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't like it either
but it’s because it’s pretty corny, not because I’m in any way offended by it.
"No, you're not imagining things: Black America is ecstatic." -Errin Haines, Associated Press writer
by Junior Del Norte on Jun 28, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
I thought it was clever the first time I heard it, and it’s become less clever to me as it’s been used more. I’m not offended by the word, but haven’t used it personally because I can see how it could offend others. At this point I’m just tired of its overuse.
Here is a perfect example
I think a better way to put it, is to just say that the term jumped the shark. It’s like the guy who never moved on after high school and you realize after a few years, that even though you love him, you have to purge him from your everyday life.
<-;-)
Pritch-slap = David Wooderson?
"No, you're not imagining things: Black America is ecstatic." -Errin Haines, Associated Press writer
by Junior Del Norte on Jun 29, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I was actually thinking of Red from Friday (1995)
I started two write something about that and realized there was no one to call Deeboo.
<-;-)
Gregors can be Deebo
and opposing centers can play Felicia/Red to his Deebo. Or he can be Craig, and opposing centers can be his Deebo. Or he can be Craig/Smokey, with opposing centers posing as his Lil Chris when they finally catch him knocking over trash cans. This is complicated, I see why you bailed on it.
"No, you're not imagining things: Black America is ecstatic." -Errin Haines, Associated Press writer
by Junior Del Norte on Jun 29, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I got lost because I didn’t want to imply KP knocked out another GM with a brick. It was Red running in afterwards to get his chain and bike back from Deebo, is where I was coming from.
<-;-)
A time delay is appropriate
The term could easily be used after there’s a clear winner-loser of each trade. Until then, there’s no point in even saying it. Yes, perhaps Charlotte and Sactown got a little slappy, but we’re no sure yet. Let’s see how it plays out. That said, I think there was enough done there that Ben’s justified in using the term.
Oh, and I think it’s a little hubristic to think GMs care much about the things we say. Have you ever tried to get a GM on the phone? It’s not like they’re trying. Also, afraid to deal with KP? Everyday, poker players sit down with the pros. GMs are arrogant people, but they’re just people. If they think they can come out of the deal alright, they’ll give it a try. Simply put, we’re not altering GMs decisions accept in rare cases where our fanaticism can push a decision over the top.
Ainge seems like a bitter little turd-nugget, but I’d bet Paxson would deal with KP any day.
It’s an rude, uncouth, braggalocios term, but this is sports. We can take a little aggresion out here.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
Jordan has never
demonstrated the ability to evalulate talent or to make trade deals that I am aware of.
How can he?
It’s difficult to gauge the skill level of baskeball players less talented than yourself.
Healthy, open discussion
of the performance and abilities of GMs is perfectly appropriate.The part of Timmay!’s point that rings true with me is the concept of having “class”. The derivation of “Pritchslap” we all know is B….slap, which is a demeaning, disrespectful, testosterone driven, sexist phrase. It is all part of the new ethic in all of our society, but most obviously seen in sports, where the successful athlete rubs it in the face of the person he just beat (Owens running to midfield in Dallas, someo ne who dunks over someone else and then points his finger in the face of who he just posterized, etc. We also see this in sexist or racist jokes. While it may be funny, it also serves to pump up the egos of the jokers by demeaning the targets of the jokes. This is especially true with less mature people. This pritchslap phrase has always bothered me a little because it seems so classless, and immature. I am very much in awe of KPs abilities, and I don’t see him as the kind of person that would be so cruel in spirit towards anyone, let alone his peers.
by crakarjack on Jun 28, 2008 6:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I like your point
I think you’re going a little over the shark with it, but it is something that people should take into account.
You want "classy" and "mature" on a SPORTS BLOG?!?!
................................... You probably expect fine cuisine at the race track and quality news reporting from Fox, too, don’t you?
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"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
Oh come on...
Silly emotional hippies… “Pritch-slap” is awesome. I think we should all keep using it.
Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag. Meanwhile, Katz scores an interview with a rattled Rush, who forgot to take off his Blazers hat and has a "Man, this sucks, I was excited to play video games with Greg Oden" look on his face. Weirdest moment of the night that didn't involve a Lopez brother. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons
You have a Bill Simmons quote.
Bill Simmons makes up things like Pritch-slap all the time. I bet he would endorse it.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 28, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but I also think he'd endorse . . .
. . . the way the fanbase that invented that term can have involved ethical struggles with using it.
He’d appreciate the way we’re checking ourselves.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
You don't have to disrespect people
and the fact that your entire argument is simply to disrespect people in this type of discussion doesn’t lend you much credibility in the matter.
What is it we are so proud of
in this new culture that KP has brought to the Blazers. I propose that it is based around integrity. Our players finally have the important qualities that we Oregonians value. They are hard working, sincere, humble people, with great talent. How would we feel if we heard any of them talking so disrespectfully towards or about other teams, players, etc.?
by crakarjack on Jun 28, 2008 7:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
A big question mark about our team last year was ferocity...
and whether or not they would allow themselves to get bullied. Often you hear about how we have a bunch of boy scouts playing for us. What’s wrong with having a healthy competitive atmosphere? Isaiah Thomas, Michael Jordan, Karl Malone, Reggie Miller, Shaq, Koaby, Wilt, Larry Bird, Magic, Pistol Pete… these guys were/are deemed great guys even though they were notorious for talking trash and playing ever-so-slightly dirty now and again. Does that mean we shouldn’t like them?
I don’t get this at all.
It’s silly jargon, it’s light hearted, and it’s funny. Our team is finally going to be something again. I just don’t get this at all.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 28, 2008 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus, Freethrows,
I don’t remember saying anything about not liking tough players that play hard. Which part of my self indulgent diatribes indicated that to you?
I forgot to thank you, Timmay!
for having the guts to bring this issue up. It can be hard to go against something that’s popular.
Thanks! I was really concerned this thread would go downhill fast.
I’m really happy we’ve had some good discussion.
I’m a big believer of rooting for your team, not against your opponent.* This term just seems too much like schadenfreude for my taste. It’s been a bad week for how Blazer fans handle good news.
- I have a one-team exception to the “root against” thing… we all know which team it is.
You never saw Magic,
Bird, Maravich, Wilt, West, Baylor, Oscar, Clyde, Porter, Buck, Russell, or Walton, maliciously demean other players on the losing side. If you are truly proposing that we take Shaq, Koby. Malone or Isaiah as our role models, I respectfully disagree. Are the guys I mentioned weak? Are Duncan and the Admiral weak? Those are the guys with class that I not only want my team to emulate, but our kids, too.
by crakarjack on Jun 28, 2008 7:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
oops!
This should have been a reply to….. freethrows
Bird? Are you kidding?
Bird was one of, if not the, biggest trash talkers of his day. Just read his wikipedia entry.
Just because you never saw them do it doesn’t mean they didn’t.
Agreed
and when the Pistons finally broke through in the east finals over the Celts in 88 or 89, only McHale congratulated the Pistons, the rest of the Celts ignored them and walked off.
Of course Pritchard says he doesn't like it
He has to say he doesn’t like it, it would be rude of him to say otherwise really. Its like when Kenny Vance was interviewing him on 95.5 and said “You have to mix in a bad trade to keep these guys trading with you” and KP laughed and said that was silly, and talked about how the trade was good for both teams and on and on.
GMs are type A people, they will continue to think they can be the one that takes KP, as long as KP does stuff on the up and up people will continue to deal with him.
by Replacement Level Poster on Jun 28, 2008 7:37 PM PDT reply actions
Ya, let's have no fun at all and never use
fun terms. Even if they are light hearted humor. Let’s sanitize everything and cheer for the other team and make sure we are in bed before midnight.
If the Chicago fans started saying that Thomas got Paxwaxed after their dealings with the Knicks it would have been funny. Let’s lighten up a tad and let the term ride itself out.
A little banter can be fun.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jun 28, 2008 8:03 PM PDT reply actions
hmmm okay
in the future i’ll say we “hamburgled” the other team. I liked that one too.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
lol yeah
Damn PC Mafia.
A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!
For some reason, "hamburglar" cracks me up
I can’t believe some fans came up with that term, I just see KP dressed up in the outfit now.
Robble robble.
Why is it that this term cracks you up,
while the term pritchslap makes you angry? Maybe my mind is in the gutter, but that word sounds nasty, simply because I am easily reminded of another word that is three syllables long and has the suffix burglar. However, pritchslap honestly doesn’t remind me of the original term. Maybe it’s just perception, I don’t know. What I do know, is that I haven’t used the term on other teams’ boards, because I do understand where people are coming from in terms of getting angry.
by premthegrem on Jun 28, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is hamburglar funny?
Because when I heard fans on another site used it, it made me imagine KP in this outfit:
http://thedailybeast.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/hamburglar.gif
In terms of why hamburglar is funny but p-slap isn’t, go back to the original post. My concern is that it’s overused, not particular witty anymore (though I admittedly found it amusing at first too!), and really just makes us look less-than-classy. “Hamburglar” was mainly a one-night usage by fans on another forum, not something we’re all shouting all the time.
In reality, if people started yelling “the hamburglar strikes!” every time LP did something, I’d probably get tired of that quickly too and say “is this necessary?”. But I’d likely chuckle at first. You know, because I’d imagine him running into the draft room in the hamburglar outfit, saying “robble robble” and picking up out new player and carrying him off like a McD’s burger.
And I’m chuckling again now. So thanks for making me explain further. :)
P-Slap??
Is it the “Pritch” part of the word that makes it offensive?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
It's the usage that bothers me more than the word...
... I was just lazy when typing that out last night and shortened it.
I’m not easily offended, so the terminology origins didn’t really bother me (note I never brought that up in the original note). I get why it would bother others, but I had let that part go.
As noted, what bothers me is the overuse and the attitude involved as much as anything. There’s no hidden meaning at my abbreviation, just laziness in replying.
Good Post
I can understand and appreciate both sides of this argument. The thing is, this is a perfect example of where individual fans think the line between part of the experience vs obnoxious behavior. This is such a fine line on such a cloudy subject (much more so IMO than the Jack thing) that the term probably won’t get abolished. Hopefully people start using more care about when to use it though and understand how other people view this. I would have to say that it’s a playful term that makes being part of a fan base fun, but I will respect how other people view this term and be more cautious in the matter.
I think a really good point that was brought up in this is that we all are going to be under a microscope as fans pretty soon if our teams works out the way that we all think it will. That being said, it would be a good idea to take a look at ourselves from time to time and see if we are really portraying the type of culture that KP has tried to establish. To shoulder no responsibility for your actions when someone brings the points to light is immature and disrespectful. I was a little upset to see quite a few posts here that were doing just that. Those are the kind of people who make us all look bad when they don’t take other people’s perspectives into account.
a slightly different definition
I’ve always thought it was only a pritch-slap if the consensus was that the other team got the better of us. The Zach Randolph trade that everyone loved for the Knicks on draft night is one example. All the crazy moves we made to draft Aldridge and Roy is another example. Things like trading up to get Batum is not a pritch-slap. A pritch-slap isn’t about screwing someone else, it is about making a fair deal and then waiting to be proven right and you won’t know it is a pritch-slap until months or years later.
Class
I think we are entirely too hasty in labeling others “classless.” That in and of itself smacks of elitism and arrogance to me. But I digress. If a player’s/team’s feelings are so hurt when they lose, they probably should have won to avoid that heartache. Red Auerbach lit a cigar on the bench near the end of wins. On the bench. During the game. I say he earned it. Lack of class never comes into the discussion on Auerbach, and it shouldn’t.
Sasha Vujacic shoots and hits a 3 at the end of the Lakers/Spurs series a few weeks ago. Everybody complains that this is another reason to hate the Lakers, hate Sasha, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Taurean Green shooting a 3 at the end of a Blazers win is no big deal, and it shouldn’t be. Back-to-back oops from Sergio to Travis at the end of a blowout against the Grizzlies is a big deal, but only ‘cause it was so totally awesome and whatnot for us, right? I doubt Grizzlies fans loved it or thought of it as an especially classy move.
If someone loses, they should take it like a man and/or woman. If there’s some salt thrown in a wound, so be it. Them’s the ropes, guy. Class is a word bandied about all too often by people who enjoy looking down on others. “I definitely have class, but ohhhhhhh…that’s awful. He doesn’t. He’s classless. I have more class than him. That makes me feel good about me. It’s nice being better than others.” Just like the word “thug” is thrown out all too often. A black guy with (even without) tattoos who gets pulled over for speeding or gets in a car accident or argues with a coach or gets a DUI is irresponsible and dim-witted but far from a “thug.” But you wouldn’t know that by listening to people talk. This degradation (maybe peppered wif sum subtle racism) isn’t offending anybody? People view the term “Pritch-slap” as funny and ironic BECAUSE it comes from “pimp/.....-slap.” Granted, whomever is told they have just been “Pritch-slapped” is always left feeling like they’ve just been violated, and suffer from vulnerability, trust issues, and low self-esteem due to their viewing of their selves as nothing more than sexual objects because of it. But I find it curious that this is such a pressing matter when there are so many other issues involving the NBA and its employees that are more significant. We could talk about those. Naw…let’s not. By the way, this is intended to be a lighthearted comment, even if it comes across through text as serious. That’s possible. But while it is lighthearted, I mean every word of it. EVERY. SINGLE. WORD. So stop trying to be so proper and just. Just follow your heart. Unless your heart is proper and just. So let’s all stop with the condescension. NOW! AAAAAND I rec this comment. Bam!
"No, you're not imagining things: Black America is ecstatic." -Errin Haines, Associated Press writer
by Junior Del Norte on Jun 28, 2008 9:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Dave Weighs In:
I must admit that I have been fairly uncomfortable with the “Pritchslap” ever since it came out. The etymological underpinnings do make me squirm. It does bring up connotations of violence, particularly against women. I am pretty sensitive to those issues. On the other hand I also understand that it’s precisely the edge it treads that makes it memorable and makes the play on words hit home. You could say someone has been “Petrie-fied” or “Nashtrated” but neither of those are as good because neither the GM’s nor the words push beyond the comfort zone.
I also dislike the concept on a philosophical level because it plays into a disease that all NBA fans seem to have nowadays: glorifying trades that seem lopsided and then denigrating the GM who appears to have been taken. Intelligent, experienced people are too easily labeled as idiots or worse by folks who don’t take the time to consider all the angles. Yes, dumb trades are made. But often trade which look lopsided at first blush turn out to be a serious case of caveat emptor. The L*kers are already finding out that Pau Gasol might not be the guy of their dreams. Boston gave up Al Jefferson and Jeff Green to get Garnett and Allen. They got what they wanted, but in three or four years the true balance of the trade will be shown. “Pritchslaps” are far rarer than we make them out to be and are usually far less important than the discussion they receive.
I have a tinge of concern for the sake of our GM. I do not think the use of the word affects his job one iota. General Managers of all teams get things said about them all the time. If fans don’t use the word “Pritchslapped” to describe Larry Bird they will simply spell it out in more elaborate terms. But speaking for myself on a purely human level I wouldn’t be entirely comfortable with the word or either of the above connotations (violence against women or duping another GM) being associated so closely with my given name.
Finally, like many of you, I fear the word will rot from overexposure. I can imagine every trade the Blazers make from now on being met with a chorus of “You got Pritchslapped!” How long before what once was semi-hilarious makes people roll their eyes, along the lines of “Where’s the Beef?” or your friends singing, “I’m too sexy for my Honda…too sexy for my Honda”? The more it’s used on other sites (and against other teams and fans) the quicker this occurs.
Even with all of this, though, I don’t think terms like this should be banned. Despite the potential pitfalls it is provocative and as long as it is not overused it retains merit, meaning, and even a brash humor of sorts. To me the solution here is simple: each of us should make an effort to interpret each others’ words and motivations in the best light possible and try to respect the conversation betweenus. There are plenty of people who would be perfectly happy to say things a lot farther over the edge than the current GM reference. For the most part they restrain themselves…not because there’s anything inherently wrong with their words (some people use them all the time) but because they’re respecting and taking care of the people for whom such language would detract from the Blazersedge experience. For my part, even though I am not entirely comfortable with “Pritchslapped” and would not really use it myself, I can see the edgy humor in it and I can also interpret its use as people celebrating because they’re happy about a trade rather than advocating anything dark or overtly violent. Understanding that, it would probably do more damage (and less good) in cases like this for me to define the boundary than for me to say, “Hey folks…you need to define what’s appropriate here and where the edge is by listening to and understanding each other.” In the end that will make the conversation stronger.
—Dave
by Dave on Jun 28, 2008 10:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well said!
And agreed. I also don’t want to see it banned either… that just leads to to bigger problems.
I hope it fades on its own. Without a bad KP trade being the cause! IMO if it’s “in KP we trust”, and KP dislikes the term, that’s enough reason to say “eh, that’s enough”.
I’m really glad this ended up being a good discussion, especially after my only-realized-after-hitting-”post” inadvertent flame-bait title.
(See Bulls fans? This is another example of how our guy’s not smug!)
by Timmay! on Jun 28, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe I should start
smuggin’ it up.
Oh dear Bulls fans, I’d like to stay and talk about basketball but I have a 4:30 match at the croquet lawn. So sorry that whole Lamarcus Aldridge/Tyrus Thomas thing didn’t work out. Just a piece of advice: it does make you look a bit…unsophisticated when you’re staring slack-jawed at all of the new-millenium championship banners in our rafters. The proper way is to take the elevator to the V.I.P. booth above the 300-level and look at them at eye-level. Oh wait, you don’t have a key to the V.I.P. elevator, do you? Sorry, my mistake. Toodles!
—Dave
thank you Dave,
You said what I’ve wanted to post on Blog-a-Bull for a while, but didn’t have the guts to do so. I am as tired as you seem to be with bulls fans hating us for getting the better end of the LA/TT deal, and not admitting it. But hey, if I’m not man enough to call them out on it, they don’t have to man up and admit it either. We’ll just continue to agree to disagree.
by premthegrem on Jun 28, 2008 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
If I'm walking down the streets of some town in Nebraska in 25 years...
and some kids walking by me are talking about how someone got pritchslapped, I’m thinking that is freakin’ awesome.
That started right here.
I never once envisioned the violent act taking place when hearing that word. It’s a word whose origins tread on the dark side a little. But generally speaking, the PS really only belongs in this time of year, and maybe for a week in February.
I don’t think it stays on as everyday modern lingo.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 29, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Ugh-hugh
I hate it when I buy my problems; even more when I compound the trouble. Bemused and bewitched and besotted are all ok – until you wake up. Then it’s not so cute. If this blog is going to be a teen boy’s weekly then use the word all you please. Just remember you now know, for a fact, the word intends to impugn the sexuality of a man and at the same time abets imagery of violence upon women. It’s reminiscent of Don Imus, but hey, it’s all just good fun. So Dave my friend you are absolutely correct in not censoring this word ( you don’ censor individual words do you?). The boys can figure it out for themselves and if there are any girl fans here they can help. It’s a great blog Dave.
The trading and drafting of players
is really a business practice. In most businesses an employee that makes fun of the customers won’t be an employee for long. Now I realize that most of us are not Trail Blazer employees but our comments are very public and Dave and Ben (along with our friend Henry Abbott) are doing a great job of driving up respect for Portland and its fans.
Every good business deal is a competition and ultimately the successful business is one that makes its transactions a win-win experience. In the NBA there are only 29 customers for whatever KP is trying to sell/buy. So every one of those customers needs to feel good about his dealings with Portland. The win-lose transactions need to be rooted in the erroneous judgment of the other team and not in Portland’s misrepresentations. Thus the term pritchshapped is counterproductive for us here. It does color what fans think elsewhere and it does affect GM’s ability to sell their transactions to their fans (an essential part of the business). I suggest we let it slide after this year. It has been entertaining and now has used up that value. This thread calls for support of KP and I will agree to abide. I hope you consider this also.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jun 29, 2008 12:06 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Well said.
when national basketball fans click the link some pundant provides to this website, I would rather we are viewed as intelligent, thoughtfull, indightful, respectful…ect. I am in sales and the most successfull proes ensure it is infact the right pruchase for the customer first, while the short timers think its about getting over on them. its frustrating, becouse of this widespread perception that doing buiseness over the phone is inviting desaster for the customer, I often find my job dificult. People will just answer and just set the phone down next a speaker, will lie and say they are someone else, say the person i am asking for is dead, will say that I have the wrong number.. ad infinitum.. they called me first, and often enough the person who tells me that they dont know who I am aking for SPOKE WITH ME when they first called. they act this way out of fear of being taken advantage of. 99% of the people I do buiseness NEED my help, and want it, but are unable to recieve becouse of privious bad expirience, and more often then not simply hearsay and accepted culture.
"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
Mom
Nice
will lie and say they are someone else
Hmm, I haven’t used that one… yet.
BRING BACK OUR BLAZERS TO SO. OREGON !!!! PRITCHSLAP SUCKS !!!!!!
DOWN WITH PRITCHSLAP ! GET ME SOME BLAZERS !!!!!
DOWN WITH PRITCHSLAP ! BRING BACK OUR BLAZERS !
DOWN WITH PRITCHSLAP!!! DOWN WITH FUZZY RADIO !! GET A DEAL DONE OR YOU WILL DIE !!!!
<-;-)
NICE CAPS !
Political correctness = Thought Control ! Love the action (PS) !
YEA, WHAT HE SAID !!!!!It's GO time !
Bunk!!!
................................ Don’t flatter yourself. GMs around the league DON’T CARE A WHIT about this month’s “Where’s the Beef” expression bandied about by 150 blowhard fans on an obscure internet message board.
The GMs dumb enough to get pritchslapped in their dealings with other teams are completely oblivious of THEIR OWN fans, let alone fans of another team half a continent away.
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jun 29, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Resentment from the 1984 draft
I think that most people in Oregon are tired of friends and foes reminding us about how the Blazers blew it drafting Sam Bowie.
I think that we are so eager to say to them, “SEE! We didn’t get taken this time!”
It was easy for the catch phrase to catch on.
by parkinglotj on Jun 29, 2008 12:29 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
totally
totally.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 29, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
+ 1
I been hearing it from stupid L@K&r /Bulls fans for years. They usually
can’t even name their own roster or understand the common phraseology
of Basketball.
I love trashtalk, but prefer the Larry Legend style. “Why didn’t you get up
on me ?” – after draining the three.
It's GO time !
I voiced..
...a similar opinion in my reply to Pritchslapped part 2. I don’t think using the term creates a very good enviroment for either Pritchard, our entire scouting staff or our image throughout the league. Sure on one level it’s harmless and simply fans being fans but instead of demeaning the hard work our staff does in being prepared and making things happen by reducing it to a “Pritchslapping”, I’d rather recognize it for what it really is, which is IMO hard work, research and the teamwork of an entire staff. Also IMO we have a management team with a vision and the resources to execute towards that vision. Does that make every deal we execute a “Pritchslap”? No. I’m for enjoying the good work our franchise seems to be doing and personally I’m not reducing it to the level of it being either a pritchslap or a pritchslapping. Too simplistic.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
Copy and paste, didn't see this thread
Our team has accomplished nothing so far, and while I’m as pleased as everyone else that we somehow managed to get someone I thought of as a top 5 talent for the 13th pick, it’s no reason to act like freaking Celtic fans.
I’ve lived most of my life in non-Blazerland, and the following are the things that the Blazers are most famous for:
1) Bowie over Jordan
2) 2000 western conference finals meltdown
3) Jordan goes off for 35 against us in the first half of game 1 of the 1992 finals
4) Jailblazers
5) On the wrong side of the memorial day miracle
Our team went 41 and 41 last year. Not bad but not great. Yes, we’re adding some great players that I feel very good about. But crowing about some speculative dynasty before we’ve even made it to the playoffs is a great way to invite retribution by the basketball gods for our absurd hubris.
Can we all tone down the smug and dial up the humility a bit, please? There’s a reason almost every basketball board I hang out at nowadays is complaining about annoying blazer fans, and that reason is us.
by howlingfantods on Jun 29, 2008 12:53 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Nope
Funny that no one bothers to mention our title in 1977, won with a team that won less than 50 games in the reg season and is still the youngest team of all time to go all the way (feel free to correct the record if I’m mistaken).
The bottom line is, other fans are going to hate us no matter what we do or say. We are in a small market, in a town most people around the nation have only ever heard of but never seen, and for the most part we have a winning record against their franchise which incites some degree of subconscious jealousy and anger. Look it up. Despite our famous meltdowns, we are one of the most successful franchises in sports.
Now that we have Oden, Roy, and Aldridge, the jealousy and anger is magnified to the nth degree.
It doesn’t help that we have traditionally been vilified by the media and will continue to be, as they incessantly will paint large-market teams, ever so subtly, like LA and Chi as the “good guys” and the black-donning Blazers as “evil” or “stupid”.
I’ve been through all of this, I’ve been through the obnoxious Boston and “Chicago (read: MJ)” and LA fans that come into the Rose Garden and act like they own the place when their circus is in town.
For those reasons I could give a damn what they think about the term “Pritchslap”. They can relish in the victories of old, while we deliciously and mercilessly slaughter their teams over the next decade.
Our teams, and our town, has suffered for too long from the disease of being too darn nice. If it continues to happen because of our perhaps soft, high-character crew, then so be it. I can’t control whether Trout chooses to confront Lamar Odom or not after he lays out Roy.
But it won’t come from me, and it shouldn’t come from you. Do you think for a second that Bulls fans or Laker fans would be more gracious towards us if the shoe was on the other foot?
If so, you are fooling yourself. Those markets are brash and arrogant to a degree we’ll never comprehend, so if you want to delight a little in a lopsided trade or two in our favor, I say go for it.
I agree mostly with Krang here. The use of “pritchslap” denigrates the efforts of our scouting staff perhaps more than anything, so perhaps I’ll stop using it or at least sparingly for that reason.
But to stop using it out of fear that we MIGHT offend other fans around the league, or be perceived as annoying? Well, I think that kind of attitude has been at least part of our problem all along….
"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"
by broggerboy19 on Jun 29, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
No one remembers or cares
about titles from 30 years ago.
I think your comments about all other places hating us because we’re in a small market is paranoid and inaccurate. I’ve lived in LA, NY, SF, DC, Boston, and SF. I can’t remember a single one of those local sports media ever doing anything besides ignoring us, except for the times that they just used us as a lame punchline during the jailblazers era.
In fact, the level of indifference is so extreme, when Drexler led us to the Finals in 92, the Boston Globe ran a story on the front page of the sports section that consisted of a map of the US, a big arrow pointing to the pacific northwest, and a patient explanation that the Portland in the finals is the one in Oregon, not the one in Maine. I think the sportswriter even helpfully included a phonetic pronunciation of “Oregon”.
At this point, I’ve lived much more of my life outside of blazerland. One of the reasons I’ve stayed loyal is because I always thought our fanbase was one of the best—not all that knowledgeable but never meanspirited, just enthusiastic.
I’m not saying drop the arrogance because it’s offending other fanbases. I’m saying drop the arrogance because you guys are turning into them.
by howlingfantods on Jun 29, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is that a bad thing?
If by “turning into them” you mean “fans of NBA championship dynasties”, then why should we drop the attitude?
I imagine you would rather us resemble the Spurs fanbase moreso than the Bulls, Celtics, or Lakers.
However, I think you are exaggerating the issue by implying that we are “turning into them”.
Uh uh. No way. No how. We could bring 10,000 banners into the Rose Garden after a championship that all spell “Pritchslap” and still never approach the level of arrogance of the average Celtics, Bulls, or Lakers fan.
I don’t remember the last time I walked into the United Center wearing a Blazers jersey and acted like I owned the place, like those fairweather BS fans do on a constant basis when their team visits Portland (that is, until MJ retired—funny coincidence).
We are talking about blogging here. If our bloggers truly define our fanbase in general, as opposed to a minority die-hard segment, then I see your point.
Outside of that, I think all’s fair in love and war, especially when it comes to franchises that have more or less “Pritch-slapped” us for decades and never shied away from rubbing it in our face.
"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"
by broggerboy19 on Jun 30, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Just a question
Dave wants this to be a family place. Anyone here explain to your kids why this term is funny and became popular? You kind of have to address the origins thing.
Anyone want to explain to your kids why it is a good thing to have this term applied to a guy like KP, who is trying to build a culture that is completely contrary to the origins of the term, and is hailed for doing so on this site?
I hate the term. Always have. Violence against women is not funny, should not be joked about, and jokes should not be made of terms that evoke it.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jun 29, 2008 5:40 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep. Apparently the Bedge has just welcomed a 13 year old poster. That makes ME consider my words and what they convey.
Good grief, I’m old.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
You, ma'am, have never spent time hanging out with a 13 year old boy...
....................................... I used to play streethockey with my cousins next door, when they were like 6 and 8 years old. Trash-talking pottymouthed little tykes. Trust me, by the time a kid is 13, they’ve heard it all, seen it all, and said it all, even if they haven’t done it all.
I put out punk rock records and just got to use my favorite line with my flinching friend with his 10 year old Green Day fan, guitar-playing son…......... “All my records are fine for kids, although some of them are not suitable for parents.”
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
Ugh. Scot, I swear............
Billy (age 6)—“Mommy, I was just surfing the net and went to BlazersEdge. Why is ‘pritchslapped’ funny?”
Mother (aghast)—“I TOLD YOU ABOUT SURFING PORNOGRAPHIC SITES!!!”
Yeah.
Right.
Likely scenario.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
Nice straw man
It’s a joke built on a term that isn’t funny, and I don’t want my 12 year old thinking there is anything funny about it.
Nor do I want such jokes associated in his mind with someone (KP) who is remaking the image of the team from something I despised (yes, I despised the old image of the team) into something I want him to admire.
I’ve not campaigned against the term. I only commented when someone else objected, I gave the reason why I don’t like it, and said I hate the term.
Why does that bother you so much, timbo? Maybe because, deep down, you know I (and others) have a point, and that this really isn’t such a great term to be using?
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
But he will or won't think it's funny, irrespective of what you want...
................................ One of my friends took a far different approach than the brain-numbing paternalism you espouse. He swore like a trooper around the kid from the time little Travis was zero until the time little Travis left the house. And little Travis turned out just fine, thank you very much. No different than the kids of my other friends, whose parents took the conventional puritan approach.
Children are not puppets, nor are they ignorant… There is a game that society plays in which the older generation pretends to be one thing and the younger generation pretends to be another. It’s all a phony show.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
That said, there is something to Dave's reining in swearing...
.......................... in that it makes you think harder to swear creatively. All pottymouth all the time gets stupid pretty quickly. But whining about the entomological origins of “pritchslap” is ridiculous.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
Must just be me
But everytime I read the phrase “P Slap” I have visons of Moe slapping Larry and Curly around.
Woo woo woo woo woo woo
The Oden Era, Day 368
nyuck nyuck nyuck!
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
JScot:
“But what about small children emulating eye-gouging and nose tweaking… It’s all fun and games until someone loses an eye!!!”
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
My dad died when he was 7
Because he heard a reference to the 3 Stooges on the olde-tymey radio stations of yesteryear, and he decided to smooth out his head with a scalding hot iron :( Because of this, I was never born :(
What internet message board writers of the future will never be born because Pritch Slap caused their future fathers or mothers to rob a Fire Station, steal a Fire Truck and drive it off a pier into a garbage scow and then drive that scow into the side of an island volcano which causes the volcano to prematurely erupt, and as we all know there are a few gallons of fresh water created every time a volcano erupts and then that future father or mother drinks the entirety of that fresh new water and dies of water poisoning?
What we do here, now, in the present, has power we haven’t even begun to imagine.
For better or worse, I think Pimps and Ho’s themed vernacular has firmly planted itself into pop culture language. It has been de-demonized or removed from it’s original meaning, such as ‘the rule of thumb’ type stuff—not entirely, sure, but it’s become pretty much accepted slang. If my dead Gramma woulda’ understoof what a Pritch-slap was referencing, it probably isn’t that extreme or “bad” to understand.
If a kid asks, tell them it is a play on words. If he or she asks further, tell them to shut it or you’ll Pritch slap them. Then make them watch the 2000 WCF until they apologize! They’ll understand after that.
I get what Timbo and Jscot are each getting at, and I agree with probably Timbo more—I don’t think we can worry too much about what a random kid reads here. This is a clean site that talks about basketball, and if a some-what off color reference (not even an actual off-color comment, just a reference to it) that wouldn’t be understood unless they knew and understood what it is referencing, is heard by a kid, I don’t think there is any damage done.
Violence against woman and kids and dogs are big no-nos to me, but jokes ain’t. I wanna keep this place clean and focused on basketball, but we can’t go overboard with worry in that regard. This is a clean ADULT place, and I’d assume any kid pouring through the comments and articles on the side of a Blazers fan-run website is old enough to ‘get it’.
Not that everyone here is a genius, but a dumb kid would have a hard time keeping up and paying attention to the long front page articles and varied fanposts, and wouldn’t stick around long enough to be irrepairably damaged by a Pritch Slap.
Of course, like I said below, it has been used too much now and we gotta save it for special occassions. If we trade Sergio for the next 10 Minnesota 1st round picks (every other year of course, over a twenty year span), that would count. Until then, we gotta GOTTA gotta hang it up or we’ll all hate ourselves in the morning.
Mortimer?
Mortimer!!
Dear Morty
About 10 years ago I bought a 69 Firebird Convertible. When I asked the condition of the vehicle in question I was assured that it was “cherry” and that it was a numbers matching car and that a numbers matching car, “as a rule of thumb” will retain it’s value. When I actually saw the car it was a little worn but nice. I went ahead and purchased the vehicle. I had it about a month when the engine blew up and needed to be rebuild. That really ‘sucked” because I knew it would be a “motha” to do the work. I wondered if I had “screwed” myself buying this Bird. I was so “PO’d” But I went ahead and rebuilt the original motor (to retain the value) and as it turned out, doing this increased the value of the car. I guess I wasn’t “pritch-slapped” after all.
GO says " Sir, you fornicated vertically…observe the consequences!
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Irreparable damage? No
Using the term isn’t going to turn anyone into someone who uses violence against women.
But there are certain things that shouldn’t be joked about, and especially not publicly. When you joke about them, you hurt those who have suffered. There will be people who hear this term who have suffered and have heard the term from which it was derived used against them. That’s a great thing to do, stir up those painful memories.
Also when you joke about them, you break down the taboos. Yes, there are certain things that should be taboo, that should not in any way have the evil diminished by referring to them in any way that is not condemnatory. You do not joke about the Holocaust. You should not say that Portland is going to “Auschwitz” their opponents. Some things are too evil to joke about.
It’s bad for adults to do that. It’s even worse for kids, because taboos being broken today eliminates one of the barriers that help to prevent them actually crossing over into inappropriate actions later.
Besides, Morty! We all know you are KP. He doesn’t like the term. You are blowing your persona here, get it together.
Apparently, based on this issue, I’m a better KP than you are….
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
You have to know your audience.
Actually, there’s really nothing that’s entirely off-limits for comedy. As a kid I grew up with all the “Sheldon” jokes, about the kid with no arms or legs (circa 1958, upstate NY). I’ve probably heard thousands of racial, ethnic, and otherwise tasteless jokes, dirty and/or “clean” over the last 50 years. Maybe I’m kidding myself, but I doubt that these jokes have had any deleterious effect on my emotional or intellectual state.
Humor that many may find offensive is, in my opinion, some of the best there ever was. Take Lenny Bruce, Richard Prior, or George Carlin. Please! Not everyone’s cup of tea, I know…
My neighbor was just diagnosed with a fairly late-stage malignant brain tumor. We sat around the other night and joked about it. He’s using his condition and subsequent brain surgery to get away with saying just anything he feels like. It’s hilarious.
But, okay. Discretion certainly can be the better part of valor. I tend to keep my edgier side off of this forum, mainly because I don’t wish to annoy or offend any of you nice people.
All of this having been said, I don’t have a strong feeling one way or the other about the P-S usage here or more generally. Sorry I’m not able to definitively settle this dispute for everybody. Don’t think the worse of me, I beg you!
"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"
These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.
When my friend had his brain tumor removed
I called him “Cancer Boy” and “Zipper Head” for most of his recovery. He had a huge Frankenstein scar from one ear to the other ear going over the top of his forehead along his hairline. He’s going bald ,so the scar is awesome. He thought I was the coolest throughout his recovery, because I was the only person not crying or buying him books about Lance Armstrong.
His favorite joke was when he got some super important MRI after the surgery and we went out for drinks with his dad to celebrate his brain being cancer free. His mom and sister had to go cry and pray they were so happy. In the middle of the celebration I told him I was upset with the results because I wanted to get his late ‘90’s Ford Taurus when he died.
<-;-)
You DID know your audience
and your audience, poor guy, knew you.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
Hmmm
“know your audience”.
There’s a lot of truth in that. When I said “public” jokes, I was referring to broad enough audiences that you can’t really know them.
Suppose Dave has someone come into his church, and she ends up counselling with him and his wife because of a violent husband/boyfriend (present or in the past). Suppose that husband/boyfriend liked to use that term.
Suppose she hears Dave has this basketball site, and she kind of likes basketball, so she goes on-line to check it out.
How will she respond? Perhaps she’ll be fine with it, and see the humor. Perhaps it will just be too painful, and discredit all the good things Dave told her.
And don’t say that if she were well-adjusted, she could handle it. The fact is, these situations can be soul-destroying, and make it very difficult, for a long time, to be “well-adjusted”.
Maybe I’m just being a dour Scot. But I see some potential for significant harm in the term, and little (if any at all) real benefit. I concede the cleverness of the term, and the humor in it, but I just don’t see that it is worth the cost. Is the little joke worth taking a chance on inflicting real pain? I don’t think so.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
If it can be joked privately
It can be joked publicly. Depends on the quality of the joke and the crowd, but as long there is no true malice behind it I’d say just about any joke is acceptable. Even Holocaust jokes.
Hell, I’ve probably said about 10 Holocaust jokes already today, and I haven’t even left home.
I am fine with people having different points of view on this, because comedy and jokes are subjective. I’m not saying Pritch-slap is the end all be all of high minded hilarious comedy (and I know you aren’t accusing people of thinking that), but it’s a cute little turn of a phrase that is based off of something obviously no one supports.
People who know what it is based off of are old enough to know it is wrong, and I think overall it is harmless and does not make light of woman being abused or the soul destroying profession of prostitution (and I mean that in the nicest way possible, in case Z-Bo has turned on a lotta’ whores to the Blazers). I totally think there is humor in anything, I also believe there is a certain level of tact and intelligence behind ‘bad’ jokes like those that is necessary for it to be funny, and I think finding humor in even the worst things imaginable is an admirable trait.
If KP did like the term and felt some pride that it was created because he’s done such a good job, it wouldn’t be professional for him to say he enjoys “Pritch-slap”. I would not be surprised if he didn’t like it, but I don’t think anyone knows aside from KP and those around him. He can’t say on the radio he finds it to be the greatest honor he has ever recieved, because it’s an immature silly joke at least and perhaps offensive (or I guess, definitely offensive to some) at most.
I understand and agree with most of what you say, in theory. I want Blazers Edge to remain clean and about basketball, and not allow swearing or major obscene behavior. Keeping these high standards helps elevate the discussion, and even though I swear a lot in real life I know allowing it here would just devolve the standard conversation into nonstop swearing and nothing else in some cases. It’s better to keep things creative.
And while I do not find “Bitch” to be a bad word and “bitch slap” is used towards any gender, I understand it could be offensive to some but I also don’t think it crosses a very taboo line because of its common use in popular slang of the day. Pritch-slap is even less offensive to me, because it is just a play on the previous word and only those old enough to get it will get it, and I don’t think it devalues the pain and struggle battered woman experience.
But like I said, I’m a silly boy who jokes about everything. If it’s funny, it’s funny. The reason Imus got in so much trouble was because his “joke” wasn’t funny in the slightest; it was just mean. You can hear much more racist jokes on South Park in any episode, and it’s ok because it is funny. Just calling someone a name isn’t funny, especially a hatefully charged word—it doesn’t mean you can’t use the same words and themes to form a funny joke or situation, that if taken completely on the surface is just as blatantly wrong but is done with humor and intelligence to render it “ok”.
ANYTHING can be that way. Who said comedy is tragedy plus time? I think it was Charles Nelson Reilly.
Everyone should understand why the awful things that exist today and in the past are horrible, and we shouldn’t lessen the impact of tragedies like the Holocaust in our seriously held opinions. In this situation, I think you can have your cake and eat it too, finding humor in awful situations but also understanding and comprehending the impact and seriousness of those horrible events.
Humor is subjective, of course. Everyone is different, and there is no golden rule. The only thing certain in this conversation is that “Pritch-slap” has become dangerously overused, and must not be used in a fanpost title or seriously discussed or yelled in celebration until an event orchestrated by Pritchard deserves it.
If this sort of event happens tomorrow, then ok—we can feel free to say it again. If it happens two years from now, or never, then we should not say it until that time. If we can all agree on that, then we’ll all be ok. I don’t think anyone benefits from it being overused, that’s for sure.
Mortimer
I actually do support !!!!!-slapping every now and again, morally and financially
Apology accepted.
"No, you're not imagining things: Black America is ecstatic." -Errin Haines, Associated Press writer
by Junior Del Norte on Jun 29, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
+ 1 for Capt. Destroyer.
Has Paul ever P-Slapped you for not blowing the
Air Horn if a A -Carrier gets in the way ?
It's GO time !
"pritch-slapped" is negative
Let’s get on board with the positive atmosphere the Blazers are creating.
I don't get offended by it
But I am a silly boy who doesn’t get offended by anything, unless it is a besmirchment towards my doggy.
HOWEVER, obviously it is being really overused, and just like any good curse word, it loses its power if overused. No point in using it so much, if it ain’t gonna mean anything and just being annoying, of course.
I think it has run it’s course FOR NOW, since there won’t likely be much of a big deal or trade before the season starts. And if there is, it’d likely be for the salary cap reasons Dave explained a few days ago—not exactly Pritch-slap worthy material. Everyone, including me, was excited about how the draft went AGAIN, and I was fully expecting us to not do much in the draft because the buildup was so great.
In the excitement of snagging a top talent in Bayless for a higher draft pick and 2 players projected to be out of the main rotation next season, we all got PRITCHSLAP PRITCHSLAP happy, but it’s sorta understandble—but so are the posts saying we shouldn’t be using it so much, or at all. I understand both sides.
Personally, I think we should hold onto the word for SPECIAL occassions. To me, this draft was one of them, even if it’ll take a few years to really know we got the better end of the draft. To Charlotte and Sac-town, I can’t imagine their dudes passing up Bayless. This draft counted as a Pritch-Slap on the entire NBA, not just a team here or there.
So we gotta hang it up until KP shows another masterful move. The Z-Bo trade was maybe his biggest Pritchslap since the Roy and LMA draft, but that wasn’t entirely clear at the time. That is the TRUE Pritch-slap… seems ok at first, but as over time goes on it becomes the best deal in the world.
If we proclaim everything a PS right away, it not only loses the word’s specialness but sets us up for buffoonery.
I’ve tried to address our potential ego and trash-talk problems in the future, because some act as if we’re already the best team in the world. I have almost NO doubt we’ll get there, but we gotta WAIT till we do get there, and we gotta act like we’ve been there before.
I remember when we were a bad team, Roy’s rookie year, and on some Blazer board somewhere out in the Inter-netherregions, a Cavs fan was making fun of how much the Blazers suck and how they always have. Coming from a Cavs fan, this was rich, because they are historically one of the lamest franchises ever. BUT, they were better right then at that time, and he was acting the fool because of it. WE CAN’T BE LIKE THIS WHEN WE ARE GOOD AGAIN.
We’re already incredibly spoiled and rich with the players we got; we can’t act that way with other fans aside from playful jests or we shall be the most hated team in the NBA.
Portland has a ton of internet fans, and we seem to be everywhere. We are also incredibly vocal. I worry less about Pritchslap affecting real-life deals, and more about us just being seen as the most annoying fans in the NBA because we’re a really good team, will be for a long time, and have a very LARGE and vocal internet presence.
The potential is there to be more hated than the Spurs or Lakers, for the WRONG reasons.
I want us to be hated for how good we are, not for reveling annoyingly in how good we is.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jun 29, 2008 7:54 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Yes
“Pritchslap” = single-digit IQ level creativity and makes Blazers fans look dumb. The sooner it dies, the better.
The Pritchslap Smackdown
Hey P-town,
You know who he be…
Rip City’s back,
Because of KP.
He makes lots of moves,
But not with haste,
He says to other GMs,
"Tell me how my ass tastes."
"Tell me how my ass tastes."
His name is Kevin Pritchard,
He does Jedi mind tricks,
He did it last year,
To the New York Knicks.
He conned them into taking,
A black hole named Zach.
This year, it’s Indiana,
They took Jarret Jack!
Sorry Indiana,
I ain’t hatin’ on yo’ boys,
But look at Minnesota,
They coulda had Brandon Roy.
And just ask the Bulls,
They’ll say he’s sicker than a virus,
Instead of LaMarcus Aldridge,
They got stuck with Tyrus.
He doesn’t bleed just red,
The man bleeds red and black,
And when he makes trades like these,
We call that the Pritchslap.
We call that the Pritchslap.
We call that the Pritchslap.
Demeaning and degrading to women
I have never used the term “Pritchslapped” because the term from which it is derived, “bitch slapped,” is demeaning and degrading to women.
Using the word "bitch" to characterize a person you don’t like is demeaning and degrading. We all know that the term "bitch" is used almost exclusively (except by dog breeders) as a derogatory term for intemperate women, or for women whom the user simply doesn’t like.
Talking about "slapping" a "bitch" is even more demeaning and degrading. Not even a real bitch (a female dog) deserves to be slapped. To casually speak about slapping someone is demeaning and degrading.
"Bitch slap" means to strike a subservient woman. It is an inherently offensive and demeaning term, and it is customarily used against women.
We live in a culture which tolerates and often glorifies violence against women. If we wish to change this sickness within our culture we would do well to avoid expressions such as "bitch slap." We would also do well to avoid expressions that are derived from the term “bitch slapped.”
Winning is everything.
I Always Thought It Meant
To slap LIKE a bitch. Just sayin’.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
Here's www.urbandictionary.com, which is one of the great resources of the net...
bitch-slap
25 up, 2 down
The kind of slap a pimp gives to his whores to keep them in line or punish them. However, it is most commonly used to describe an insulting slap from one man to another, as if the slapper is treating the slappee as his bitch.
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
If you disagree, write your own definition and see if other people support it.
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
Obviously, this is from whence "pritchslap" was derived...
................................. but there is no misogynistic connotation to the latter.
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
But there is misogyny in the former
and it is used in that sense by violent husbands/boyfriends as a way to humiliate a woman, implying that she deserves the violence he is dishing out.
And that is a fact that not even you can squirm around.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
I'm not squirming around anything...
............................ nobody is saying KP bitch-slapped anybody.
They’re saying other teams have been pritch-slapped.
You see no difference?
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
Timbo, honey, you just shot down your own argument with the definition you provided.
Can’t you see that the second definition has a man treating another man as though he has no more value than the subserviant bitch who’s life he feels is his to control? It still comes back to violence against women as second class citizens. So yes, there is a misogynistic connotation to the latter. The first time I saw “Pritchslap” I was amused because I love wordplay and that was a clever example. I’m tired of it now. I think the biggest reason to let the term Pritchslap slip into obscurity is that KP doesn’t like it and because it’s taken on a life of it’s own that he probably feels could damage his reputation and his effectiveness among the other GM’s.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
If I may...
I think that modern slang may have passed many folks on here by. I’m entering my 30’s and not exactly out in the “slangy” world anymore, but even as of 10 years ago, “bitch” wasn’t exclusive to women at all. Men are just as likely now to be coined that, taking on the meaning of being a big, pathetic wimp. Still a quip of power? Yes. Still demeaning? Yes.
That said, I agree with Mortimer from just up above… It’s probably time for it to go away for a while (and it probably will as the moving stops) as it’s been pulverized into the ground.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 29, 2008 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
One of my college roommates called me "an arrogant bitch."
................................. Pretty close to the mark, actually, ha ha!
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
Never occurred to me
I did not associate the use of Kevin’s last name with bitch. This sounds like a stretch to say the term is derived from ‘bitch slapped’.
We live in a society that on one hand has hip hop music and yet much of the media finds true freedom of speech no longer permissible. Now “hate speech” is the higher standard.
One should use good taste in civilized society and communications. But we still have freedom of speech. So anyone has the right to say almost anything. I will defend that.
Here I believe Pritschslapped will have unintended consequences which will make KP’s job more difficult. That is my objection, not some one’s rule against “hate speech”.
This Is Hilarious
Wow, do we all sound out-of-touch. How shall I count the ways?
1. To all my knowledge, bitch-slapping is when someone slaps someone else as a bitch would (i.e. an open hand, not a closed fist) – not when a “bitch” is slapped (although I suppose one could still be the recipient but that’s beside the point). To wit, “Steve found it even more insulting that Gary bitch-slapped him instead of attacking him ‘like a man’”. Think the slap part of the Rick James skit. I think that the word “bitch” can be offensive in any context, but when people say it’s “degrading and endorses violence against women” I’d like to know what exactly it is you think it means, because all I see ridiculed is the way women apply violence. Plus, I think the “bitch” part of the phrase refers MUCH more to “weak or submissive” than to “female”.
2. To all the people who are worried about our team’s reputation, the feelings of other fans and even hampering KP’s ability to conduct trades in the future, please get real. This is a blog. With a very active community. That’s it. Also, were other teams’ fans to see this thread, I think we’d DEFINITELY come off a smug. If the Blog-a-Bull community came up with a word and I read a thread with Bulls fans saying stuff like “we need to be there for our GM and our team” or “we can’t let this make other GMs not want to deal with our team” I’d be laughing like crazy. “Pritchslap” is not like the ark in Raiders of the Lost.. Ark – it’s just a funny word coined on a basketball fan community site.
C. To everyone who’s referring to Pritchslap as “P-slap”, ”!!!!!-slap”, etc.: You’re self-censoring the name of your team’s GM. I never considered “Pritch” to be a dirty word.
Also, I do like to see people coming together to discuss their feelings on the word and all, so don’t take this as mockery or anything. It does just kind of come off as a little self-important. Also, a community that joins in conversation to discuss its rules and values is a very VERY strong one and one that rarely exists online, so kudos for that!!
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
Personally, I used !!!!!-slap
because I thought there was a possibility of getting reprimanded for cussing per the site conversation rules. That’s five !’s, not the six that “Pritch” would merit; in my case I was referring to the offensive term everybody is up in arms about. I’m not assuming you’re talking about me in particular, just saying…
"No, you're not imagining things: Black America is ecstatic." -Errin Haines, Associated Press writer
by Junior Del Norte on Jun 29, 2008 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sick of it
It was funny at first, and now the term simply grates because I feel like it is dripping with arrogance. Not to blaspheme, but KP is mortal and will most likely make a questionable move before the end of his tenure as our GM. It’s inevitable. I do NOT want blazer fans to become l*ker fans or red sox fans who act like their team is god’s gift to modern day sport. I’ve seen it happening , and there will always be some bad apples, but don’t let our collective excitement turn us into another annoying fanbase. Stay humble.
It's ironic that this passionate discussion...
has gone on this long about a play on words, the “consequences” of this play on words, and everyone’s stance, and yet not one person has chimed in about the photo in one of the adds at the top right of the page… you know, the one with the attractive young lady with her shirt completely unbuttoned and her breast nearly exposed?
If you surf the net, you’re bound to find something you weren’t looking for. Ignore the posts you don’t care for and move on.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 29, 2008 9:07 PM PDT reply actions
Not only that
But for some reason I’m really starting to think Obama is finished, and I find myself laying awake at night pondering who McCain should take as his VP.
I can’t explain why I feel the way I do…
Mortimer
I was going to mention those ads too Morty. I believe they show a distinct bias. But we've already got so many
controversies going on everywhere on the Bedge right now that I decided not to throw it into the pot yet. I’m glad you did. I was kinda thinking it could use it’s own focus and might get lost in all the unrelated furor. I don’t know. They annoy me though.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
Wait a sec
I haven’t seen that ad. I just get stuff about McCain and Obama. How do you change the picture?
"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"
These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.
If you hit refresh, you might get a different add...
I guess there are several that rotate.
The one I’m referring to was for something like Mate One or something… I don’t know, I wasn’t paying attention to the words ;>)
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 30, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Excellent Post...
we don’t need to become the morons of the web
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
This seems awfully preachy
If I want to say Pritch-slap, I’m gonna do so. Sorry if you don’t like it, but not really.
Blazer Fan
fwiw I don't really say it anyway
but posts on the internet for the sole purpose of telling other people what they should and should not say kinda rub me the wrong way. There are a lot of phrases in this world I don’t particularly care for. But I would never go around the world telling everyone to stop using those phrases. Just sayin.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jun 30, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not so much that
It’s more that people are calling everything KP did a Pritchslap. People said he Pritchslapped New Orleans when he bought their pick. I heard he also Pritchslapped the guy who sold him his gas, his tie, his shoes, a gallon of milk, and a 40 of OE. KP Pritchslapped all those guys.
<-;-)
by tominhawaii on Jun 30, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
OH THAT KP
Doesn’t he know that by buying gas and milk these days, he is only Pritch slapping himself?
I bet KP goes into a local Albertsons, kinda wanders around a bit aimlessly, looking casual, then grabs two 12 packs of Miller High Life and starts running out the front of the store yelling “PRITCH SLAP HAHAHAHA”
I heard that the #27 pick he bought WAS a Pritchslap, because he wrote them a bad check and now won’t take all their calls. He lets it go to voicemail, which is just a recording of KP sensually whispering ”...pritch slap…” before the phone SLAMS down.
He bathes nightly in all of the 2nd round picks he has accrued over the years, just dreaming of turning them into even MORE 2nd rounders later on, and then more, and more and MORE AND MORE until picks 31 through 60 is just KP drafting nine year old Koreans and guys who went to Kansas.
He sent Michael Jordan an autographed Upperdeck Kevin Pritchard basketball card, signed “Keep reaching for those stars, love, KP, PS: Pritchslap”. MJ reportedly had no idea who Pritchard was but couldn’t comment further because he was late for a double date with Charles Oakley and some 50 year old stewardesses that look like plastic Vanna Whites.
OH, THAT KP!
Mortimer
I heard
When he buys groceries, he always says he forgot his club card. After they scan the store card and he pays for everything, he says, “Woo, Pritchslap! I got my club hard right here.” Then he pushes off and rides his shopping cart out the exit.
One other time, he sent Tom Penn to Subway for a promotional salmon sandwich and Tom Penn did not give back all his change. KP looked at Mr. Penn and said, “Is Kevin Pritchard gonna have to choke a da kine?”
Mind if I go off topic? If KP is a pimp, what does that make all his employees?
<-;-)
Ho, ho, ho
Now THAT made me laugh.
"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." -- RIP George Carlin
Enough of your misogynous laughter....... I am seriously shocked!
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
Censorship sucks.
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
Who is censoring?
Someone expressed his opinion that the term shouldn’t be used. Some people disagreed with him, and others agreed with him.
Nobody called for a ban on it, that I saw. Not even me, and I live in the nanny state to top all nanny states.
Are you trying to censor his opinion that people shouldn’t use the term? Of course not. You are just disagreeing with him. So, um, if YOU aren’t trying to censor HIM in saying that you don’t like what he wrote, why are you talking about censorship?
This isn’t censorship, it’s censureship. Censure is expressing criticism or disapproval. Don’t like it? Then engage in censureship yourself, but you, timbo, are smart enough to know this isn’t censorship.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
Censorship starts with the so-called Upright Citizens raising a ruckus...
............................... and the politicians oblige.
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
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