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Anatomy of a Pritchslap -- Part 2

In the original version of the post directly below this, I attempted to make 3 points (in order):

1) Pritchard is a genius, having pulled off a great deal with Indiana, a deal that benefitted both teams, required significant wheeling and dealing, and had many moving parts.

2) The off-site press setup this year-- and the access to instant technology, coupled with the pressure to be "first" -- created an absurdist drama and volatile situation that led to many members of the media, including myself, getting pritchslapped by a floated rumored trade for DJ Augustin.

3) Given the reports that came out on Thursday night, the Blazers seem to have engaged in trade talks with the Bobcats regarding DJ Augustin for the #13 pick at the same time as a trade had already been established with Indiana, leading to an indirect pritchslapping of the Bobcats.

Based on the conversation that erupted, my first two points were overshadowed by my speculation on the third point.  Obviously, this was the most contentious point as many felt it questions the "honor" of KP.  This was not my intention; as you may know, I am a self-proclaimed follower of Pritchneesh (a Pritchneeshi, if you will) and did not mean to besmirch him. 

Nevertheless, that was the unintended result.  For this reason, after consulting with Dave, I have removed and clarified those sections in the post below and moved the speculation discussion to this post.

In the original version of the post, here is what I wrote...

Of course, if Pritchard is the big winner here I would argue that the big loser is not, in fact, Indiana. Getting Jack and Rush (and McRoberts, I guess) for the #11 pick, especially given their recent acquisition of point guard TJ Ford, is not a bad haul at all.

The big loser, therefore, is Charlotte. With the #9 pick, they drafted a point guard on behalf of another team, were unable to get that deal completed, and are now stuck in the unenviable position of slotting that player in as a backup when players like Bayless, Lopez, Rush and Randolph (all arguably better fits for their roster) were still available. The worst part: they've surely pissed off Raymond Felton in the process, which could easily lead to a trade of him this off-season. That would leave them with Augustin, a small, untested rookie, and Earl Boykins, a midget, as their two potential starting point guards. Talk about a serious, serious downgrade. Talk about a pritchslap.

I have also sought clarification on the Augustin rumor and received it from a trusted, anonymous source with access to the proceedings.

Here is the latest information that I have for you. 

-- There were talks at some point in the draft process with the Bobcats, however there was no standing offer and no deal on the table for Augustin at the time the rumor was made public.  It is possible that Charlotte drafted Augustin with the intention of trading him to Portland.

-- The Augustin rumor originated from indirect communication (not a telephone call). It was not able to be corrected prior to it becoming more widely known due to the speed with which rumors circulate as previously described.

-- Given the rumor's release and its implications, the organization and all media involved made every effort to correct the record regarding Augustin ASAP, taking the step of confirming the Bayless trade as quickly as possible.

This new information supports the conclusion reached by many of you in the comments (since deleted) and contradicts my earlier presentation on a key point: Charlotte most likely acted independently in drafting Augustin. 

However, to me, this remains a difficult pill to swallow.  The temptation is to write off MJ as an idiot.  Indeed, this is a possibility and there is a track record there.  But picking Augustin for themselves seems really risky for the reasons I mentioned (angering Felton, not a good fit, the other talent, especially Bayless, that was still available at #9). The alternative given this new information is that MJ drafted Augustin in hopes of trading him to Portland (or even another team) without a deal in place.  Again, this is not entirely intelligent but it does seem better than the alternative.   I still lean toward this scenario.  I know many of you feel differently.

So, that begs the (more clearly stated) question: Do you think Charlotte got indirectly pritchslapped, or did they just shoot themselves in the foot?

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

PS... A last point: The press setup -- with print media sequestered off-site and relying on indirect communication methods from the team-- created a situation that could have been avoided.   All media acted in good faith, thinking they were presenting the true version of what was going down.  Of course, all team officials also seem to have acted in good faith.  However, it is my opinion that the setup -- with such indirect access to information -- is the culprit here.  Any and all floated rumors, even if unintended, are therefore at least partially the responsibility of the Blazers organization.  All of that being said, it has long been my impression that the Blazers have bent over backwards to make themselves available to the media.  Perhaps this is therefore a case where they simply made themselves too accessible.  Or, playing devil's advocate, maybe this is just more smokescreen?  If you feel strongly one way or another in the comments, please let everyone know.

PPS... If you have access to any additional information that will help clarify this picture, please email me and I will gladly publish it.

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I’m not sure which way I’d prefer this to go, or have went. One way cements KP as the ultimate GM, willing to do anything and everything to get his players at his cost, but the other way seems to be far more likely. Jordan making the mistake of assuming he could make a deal after the fact seems far more likely than KP agreeing to make a deal and then backing out.

As a Blazer fan it makes me less excited to think that my team even considered Augustin in the same realm as Bayless. I’m of the opinion that Bayless is by far the better catch of the two, and he was their true and only target after both got to the #9 spot. Either way, whether this was a 3 team Pritchslap or merely a 2 team Pritchslap, the bottom line is that KP is the best in the business.

by as11osu on Jun 28, 2008 4:51 PM PDT   0 recs

Yep

I think MJ let his gambling side get the best of him and he made a gut call instead of playing the numbers. He drafted DJ in hopes of trading him to Portland without a firm deal in place.

by damir on Jun 28, 2008 4:52 PM PDT   0 recs

That's the first explanation

that makes any kind of sense to me.

I have really mixed feelings about the whole scenario. I’m proud that KP got his man, and I absolutely love the trade, but it would sour it for me a little if we did it in an especially shady way.

That is, more shady than the typical draft-day smokescreen transaction in the NBA.

"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"

by broggerboy19 on Jun 29, 2008 12:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How do these rules work anyway?

if the teams can’t talk to the media about trades, why can the tell the media about them that first time?

What’s the point of the no trade information rule anyway? And aren’t Wheels et al. for all intents and purposes Blazers employees (or perhaps they actually are), so why can they talk about them?

by Section323 on Jun 28, 2008 4:53 PM PDT   0 recs

This makes me feel better

In light of the new information, all signs point to Charlotte making bad drafting/trading decisions. As long as we didn’t pull out of an agreement (while a conflicting deal was in place), everything else is legitimate. I’m going to guess it was a mix of Charlotte thinking they could force the Blazers’ hand by picking Augustin and also Charlotte buying into the Augustin hype if the trade didn’t work.

by amitp06 on Jun 28, 2008 4:56 PM PDT   0 recs

Hmmm, yeah.

If part of the Blazers’ approach was the smokescreen, working up Blazers-associated hype over players
such as Westbrook, Augustin, Love, Gordon, and Alexander, then the sought end result would be
teams in the top 12 not just going for those players, but outright picking them.

Well, for Augustin, that team was Charlotte.
That they had our perceived desire for DJ in mind SHOULD be part of the picture.
That doesn’t mean we promised them a deal or anything.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Jun 28, 2008 9:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

think that when Cats where picking KP called them and said that he wants DJ. So MJ asked to give him something like Webster and 13 for DJ, but KP said that he will give them Jack instead of Webster, MJ said no, but was thinking "since they like DJ they will come back to me", so Charlotte drafted DJ. On the other hand KP called Charlotte and purpesly said that he wants Augustine so Charlotte would not pick Bayless, because the price for him would be even greater. KP knew that Bayless would fall all the way to 11, and thats why he called Indiana before the draft and made the deal then. Indiana already just traded for TJ Ford so they didnt need a point guard. But its still is weird why did Indiana didnt ask more for Bayless

by RipCity on Jun 28, 2008 5:09 PM PDT   0 recs

and

remember the deal that would send us #10 from the Nets for #13, 33, and Jack. As soon as Cats saw that that deal didnt go thru they thought they could MJslap KP, and make him trade for DJ. But it was a smoke sreen all the way saying that the Blazers wanted DJ, because before the draft, there were reports that Bayless is slipping down, and if Seattle wont pick him then nobody else will.

by RipCity on Jun 28, 2008 5:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just a note of clarificiation

since I see comments and questions popping up on the site.

I think Ben’s piece, both in its original form and now, is very good. I knew the moment I saw it that it would receive wide attention. Because of this there was one precaution we needed to take. In his original piece Ben had included some factual, observation-based information about what the view looked like on draft night from the media room. He also included some provocative and well-thought-out theoretical musings on what might have been behind those observations (e.g. a possible deal, or at least assumed deal, in place with the Bobcats). In the original post the line between the two was somewhat fuzzy, leaving readers open to the idea that there WAS a trade in place with Charlotte that the Blazers backed out of just as there WAS frenzied communication in the media room that night. Not having talked to Kevin Pritchard, Michael Jordan, or anyone on either staff about this issue we couldn’t leave that line unclear, especially since the post was going to be re-echoed throughout the ‘net. My stopgap solution was to put a small disclaimer at the front of the post and leave it as-is. Ben preferred to split the observational and speculative aspects of the post into two posts and two conversations, taking down the original. Since he is the author I left the decision in his hands.

In no way did I disapprove of Ben’s writing, in this story or otherwise. The piece and the conversation surrounding it was, and will be, excellent (as is usual with Ben’s work).

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 28, 2008 5:13 PM PDT   0 recs

Ben did a great job in the first place!!!

The difference was there if the reader tried to see it. It’s just that most BBall blogs don’t take that much active reading.

The clarity’s pretty nice as well.

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by hobobob on Jun 28, 2008 5:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dave, Dave, Dave...

Of all people. I never expected you to cheat on your BE stats.

by Dave on Jun 28, 2008 2:14 PM HST

Looks like you’re on notice. I’m really not sure how that works with you. Just know that you are on notice.

<-;-)

by tominhawaii on Jun 28, 2008 7:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My two cents

I don’t know if anyone can call this a “Pritchslap” at this point.
Brandon Roy was a Pritchslap. LaMarcus Aldridge was a Pritchslap.
How are we to know that Augustine isn’t going to be the next Brandon Roy, or Deron Williams? Everyone is eager to dismiss him as a bust because he is 5’11” but have you seen the guy play? He has talent, that is a fact.
While Bayless may seem like a better fit for either team right now, Augustine is likely to be a very solid pick if you are trying to change the chemistry of your team. It’s not like they were on track to win anything with Felton running the show. Many times, I have thought to myself that Charlotte is a team full of underachievers. Augustine might be the guy to turn that team around.
Let’s hold off on calling this a Prtichslap until we see what both of these players do at the next level.

So we decided just to call ourselves "The Band". -Richard Manuel

by koyote on Jun 28, 2008 5:16 PM PDT   0 recs

I think this.

Sacramento got Pritchslapped. Not Charlotte or Indiana. But then, if Augustin ends up being the best player, does KP get Pritchslapped? Can KP Pritchslap himself?

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Jun 28, 2008 5:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree, kind of

Just hearing a lot of people say that MJ was Pritchslapped. I don’t think that is the case. Neither was Sac, they just got screwed. They should have traded up though.

So we decided just to call ourselves "The Band". -Richard Manuel

by koyote on Jun 28, 2008 5:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree too...

There is a big difference between “Pritchslapping” someone and “backstabbing” someone. Backstabbing is going too far.

by jamon51 on Jun 28, 2008 5:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think it was backstabbing

It was just a good situation for the Blazers, and a bad situation for Sacramento and maybe for Charlotte. KP is just very good at his job.

So we decided just to call ourselves "The Band". -Richard Manuel

by koyote on Jun 28, 2008 5:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Right

that’s why I said I agreed. I think in this case, after hearing what Ben has said, it wasn’t a case of backstabbing—so to say someone got Pritchslapped is a different thing than if they got backstabbed.

by jamon51 on Jun 28, 2008 6:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Definitely

Not in the definition of “Pritch Slap”.

"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jun 28, 2008 7:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But WAS Roy a Pritchslap?

In return for that pick, they got the pieces necessary to trade for KG a year ago.
I don’t think Boston could make Roy work for their Pierce team the way KG does,
anymore than KG would make sense on a building young team like Portland.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Jun 28, 2008 9:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Roy trade ...

was a Pritch-slapping of Minnesota, not Boston. Foye (at #7) and cash for Roy (at #6)? That’s a Pritch-slap if ever I saw one.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Jun 28, 2008 9:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They were just another top-six team that wanted someone else more than Roy.

Unlike the other 5, THEY extorted the schmola outta us for daring to want Roy ourselves!

Jerks.
Maybe PA doesn’t miss the extra millions saved by Minnesota and spent by us, but I would.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Jun 28, 2008 9:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And as for the Minnesota Roy/Foye trade . . .

. . . I don’t think we had anything to do with that.

Our interest in Roy at 7 was obvious, as was the fact that, with Bargnani set for TO and Charlotte gaga for the Stache,
Ty Tom and LMA would go to Chicago and Portland at 2 & 4. Similarly, it was obvious that Minnesota wanted Foye.
(I forget who was at 5; it must’ve been Memphis, I guess. They didn’t seem interested in Roy or Foye.)

Point being, when it came to Minnie at 6, they could’ve just picked their man Foye and we’d’ve picked Roy at 7.
They used their knowledge of this to pick Roy and force us to pick Foye and trade with them, for two reasons:

1) They made us throw in some cash to swing the deal, thereby enjoying some SPAM.
2) By turning Foye from a #6 pick into a #7 pick, they set his rookie-scale contracts for the first four years at a cheaper level.

End result: Same as if we had all just picked who we wanted, plus Minnesota enjoyed extra $$$ on two fronts,
and we ate all that money on their behalf (by upping Roy’s pat scale and swinging SPAM to the Wolves).
Maybe THEY Pricthslapped US; by not getting Roy, they’re no more suckers than the five teams picking ahead of them.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Jun 28, 2008 9:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree.

First of all, all intentions aside, the mere fact that MN was rating Foye ahead of Roy says something. We had it right, they had it wrong.

But as far as the sequencing, I specifically remember reading the Minnesota actually was picking Roy for another team who would pick Foye and then consummate a trade. The Blazers somehow got wind of this and decided to take Foye instead, knowing that they could then trade for Roy and in so doing leave some other team out in the cold. At least that’s what I remember reading at the time.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Jun 28, 2008 9:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Y'know, that IS ringing a bell.

So then who did we Pritchslap?
Not Minnesota; they were always going to be the team that got Foye and something extra,
by picking Roy for the team they’d then get Foye from.

I guess whoever was trying to do that deal is who got Pritchslapped.
But I could’ve sworn we were openly sold on Roy from the very beginning.
When Minnesota picked him, for whatever reason, we responded by getting what Minnesota wanted for Roy.

You know – like if Sacramento had picked Rush when Indiana scooped up Bayless.
They didn’t need to know what WE were up to; all they needed to act was
knowledge of what Indiana was really after all along, which was Rush + assets.
They slapped themselves, and in 2006, we didn’t slap ourselves.
I don’t see outside mistreatment much in either case.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Jun 28, 2008 9:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that is exactly the point tho

In 2006 (IIRC), the eminent KP sniffed out the trade that would have denied Portland Roy, and wisely snatched Foye to counter.

This year, with Sacto in a position to do the same thing, it appears that KP leaked a rumor that a Portland trade was already in place for DJ. This rumor may have helped to throw Sacto off the scent, leaving them to wonder if Bayless was being drafted as BPA. Either way, KP managed to pull off what the 3rd team gunning for Roy in the 2006 draft wasn’t able to.

Mystery team gunning for Roy in 2006 got Pritchslapped. Considering the gap between Roy’s and Foye’s success, you can also say Minny got Pritchslapped.

Sacto got Pritchslapped this year. If Bayless turns out much better than Rush, could be that Indiana got it too.

by shralpster on Jun 28, 2008 10:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But KP wouldn't have needed to sniff out anything.

All he needed to do was see Minnesota take Roy, and quickly (whilst on the clock)
respond by doing whatever Minnesota wanted in exchange for Roy.

Maybe it’s just that Pritchard acts fast and never gives up, whereas Sacramento acted slow and/or gave up
when the only remaining desirable prospect (Bayless) went off the board one spot ahead of them.
And same goes (mildly) for San Antonio regarding Batum; when he went at 25 to Houston,
right as the Spoors were prepared to take him at 26, they could’ve discerned what Houston wanted for him
and acted, even though there was the pressing time issue, as they were on the clock.

Pritchard doesn’t give up on his guy, and he reacts fast. That’s all it would take.
And it’s much, much harder than it sounds.

Pritchard IS The Wolf from Pulp Fiction.

“I’m Winston Wolfe. I solve problems . . . If I’m curt with you it’s because time is a factor.
I think fast, I talk fast and I need you guys to act fast . . . “

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Jun 29, 2008 6:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It was Houston

I remember it vividly…

Minny at 6, us at 7, Houston at 8. Houston wanted Roy, Minny wanted Foye, and we were believed to want Gay if we couldn’t get Roy (or, simply Gay and not Roy at all).

Houston and Minny make a deal: draft for each other and swap. They did not know KP knew, or realized a deal was in place. They figured that Minny would secure Roy for Houston, Portland would say “drats” and take Gay, and Houston would take Foye and then Minny could pay their guy less AND Houston would get who they wanted.

Obviously, KP took Foye and that froze Houston out of the trade, and forced Minny to deal with us. Since Minny wanted Foye more than Roy, it was a good deal for both teams since that small market but not really rich team got to have some of PA’s cash and pay a lower salary for their lottery pick, and we got our beloved Roy.

Houston says they got enough of this draft noise, and draft Gay and trade him to Memphis for ‘help now’ in the form of Battier.

For KP to know this would work, he has to know or make an educated guess that a deal is in place between Minny and Houston. How could he know that Minny didn’t really want Roy? That is the mystery of KP, and something other GMs trying to do this might be averse to taking the risk.

If it doesn’t work, we end up with Foye, a guy we didn’t want. I know I was confused with the draft pick when it happened…

This is how the complete pre-prep that KP and his staff do comes into play, I’m sure. They got a plan hatched to get the dude they want, should that dude be taken by someone else.

I think it is realistic to believe the Bobcats tried to do a KP move and took DJ Augustin with a trade in mind, and KP kinda hinted at that in his post draft interview when he said some teams were just drafting to make a speculative deal.

The Bobcats could also just like DJ a lot, who knows. If they tried to KP, KP, they obviously failed.

Unlike us in 2006, when we sniffed out the deal going on between Minny and Houstin, Petrie and the Kings didn’t appear to realize what was happening or didn’t want to involve themselves somehow. This is another beautiful thing about KP: he really does appear to do what it takes to get the dude they decide to target.

Oh, by the way, the team that picked #5 was ATLANTA, and they drafted the amazing Sheldon Williams.

Who got Pritchslapped? Whoever didn’t draft Roy, if you ask me—and pretty much anyone coulda’ gotten into that lottery to snag him, because those draft picks were majorly undervalued at that time, since it was supposed to be ‘the worst draft ever’. Obviously, that was hyperbole.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 30, 2008 1:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

Augustine was a good pick. They’re sick of Felton and wanted a real point guard.

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by iDea on Jul 1, 2008 9:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

KP wasn't the problem

Indiana was the problem. I would assume there were a number of talks with Charlotte AND New Jersey so the Blazers could move up. Everyone knew that both Indiana and Sacramento were going to pick up Bayless/Augustin/Westbrook if they were available. I think the problem for Charlotte was Indiana pulling off the TJ Ford trade just before Draft day, which brought another trade partner in the mix. Once that trade happened, Charlotte had to have seen what was coming. I think the real twist is that KP may have over hyped Augustin, knowing that Bayless had a chance to fall. But lets get real, this is the poker game that every GM in the league plays, including Charlotte.

by Stumptown Doug on Jun 28, 2008 5:22 PM PDT   0 recs

That's exactly right

KP can be happy that Larry Legend and Brian Colangelo got the O’Neal – Ford deal done a day before the draft to give him this option. Indiana definitely wanted a solid point guard secured going into July hoping to get rid of their team cancer Tinsley asap and preferably during this offseason. I always felt that this was the team to get ahead of, cause they would take the last guy available from the Bayless/Mayo/Westbrook/Augustin group. After Lawson pulled out it seemed much more likely that Portland would end up without a good point guard addition in this draft. Without Ford going to Indiana in advance it can be assumed that we would have had to either pay a much steeper price, settle for Augustin or even no point guard.

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by Norsktroll on Jun 29, 2008 7:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jordan got greedy..

I think MJ told KP he’d do a deal, then tried to extort an unfair trade by asking for to much.
So KP said “OK then draft DJ for us” (really wanting Bayless). Then he does the better deal with Pacers. BAM! MJ… Don’t try to mess with KP. Now you’re stuck holding the player you drafted just to get more players from the Blazers (Frye & Jack) .

Again MJ tried to extort us and got himself Pritch-Slapped.

by Rick D. on Jun 28, 2008 5:24 PM PDT   0 recs

Pritchneesh

Hilarious reference, bagwan. Just plain funny!

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.

by johnv59 on Jun 28, 2008 5:33 PM PDT   0 recs

finally someone is with me on that :)

nobody mentioned that the first time around

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by Ben. on Jun 28, 2008 5:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yikes, that reference gives me the chills

I live out near Antelope a.k.a. Rajneesh, OR. Hopefully, KP doesn’t end up like the Baghwan.

So we decided just to call ourselves "The Band". -Richard Manuel

by koyote on Jun 28, 2008 6:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for clarifying,

I finally get it. That was good, Ben.

by premthegrem on Jun 28, 2008 6:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I am a member

Gots my “Pink Tie” on.

"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jun 28, 2008 6:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A new entry to Blazers lexicon

Pritchneesh now is listed next to Prtich-slapped in the Blazers dictionary.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.

by johnv59 on Jun 28, 2008 6:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pritchneesh

Verb, one who follows GM Kevin Prtichard’s movements with unfailing faithfulness. In KP we trust, he will do the deal.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.

by johnv59 on Jun 28, 2008 6:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

noun :)

but yes, you’ve got it!

"Honor Terry Porter." Email me with your TP stories and memories.

by Ben. on Jun 28, 2008 6:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

actually,

I thought people that followed Rajneesh were called Rajneeshis, which would make KP followers Pritchneeshis, right?

by premthegrem on Jun 28, 2008 7:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

very good point

i am a pritchneeshi.

thanks for clearing that up.

"Honor Terry Porter." Email me with your TP stories and memories.

by Ben. on Jun 28, 2008 10:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

pritchneeshi

We all seem to be pritchneeshi’s. I have an idea, let’s move to central Oregon and… oh, forget it…

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.

by johnv59 on Jun 28, 2008 10:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pritchneesh, Pritch-slapped, and "objective" journalism

I, too, thought “Pritchneesh” was funny, and, like a lot of funny things, also has a bit of truth to it. There is a side-bar debate going on over the term “Pritch-slapped,” and, again, with a bit of truth as to how one reacts to a clever but perhaps overused, sexist, macho, non-PC term. It is somewhat strange how contibutors follow the no-swear-words(or even symbols), but glom onto Pritch-slapped as a way of being macho. But what are sports blogs for?

So what is the deal with Portland media and their seeming willingness to be Pritchneesh and drink whatever Kool-aid or inhale any smoke that Pritchard puts out and call it all good? Seems to me that Pritchard abused/used the media as much as he abused/used his fellow GMs. As I was listening to the draft, it seemed like Pritchard used Brian Wheeler as his smoke generator, but everyone seems to inhale/drink whatever crap KP puts out for fear that they will be cut off.

I think with any negotiation there is some smoke-blowing from each side and no deal is done until there is mutual agreement. When is that “mutual agreement” point reached? Cannot one question whether KP crossed the ethical line without having to retract what were speculations based on the smoke that KP was blowing?

I like the draft outcome and I look forward to how the new team members work out (or not). However, I think I’ll stay off the Pritchneesh compound and view any deals from an arm’s length distance.

by vcubed on Jun 28, 2008 7:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

rain on our parade

and kick our dog while you are at it

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
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by johnv59 on Jun 28, 2008 10:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

smart man

let’s not lose sight of the possibility that KP crossed the line in this year’s draft. I’m not saying he did, but I’m not ruling it out either.

I guess ignorance is bliss.

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by broggerboy19 on Jun 29, 2008 12:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll believe it if KP or anyone in the war room says it happened as depicted.

My gut tells me that KP is not, never has been and never will be underhanded in his professional dealings. He’s daring, he’s intelligent, he’s a very good judge of basketball talent, he has a way of instilling teamwork in those around him, he’s personable and he isn’t underhanded, luckily. He loves his job and he is very, very good at what he does. His ceiling has not been reached. So speaketh the soothsayer. :p

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by annthefan on Jun 29, 2008 3:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with your gut.

It’s what my gut tells me too.

by premthegrem on Jun 29, 2008 10:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd be curious

I’d be curious to know what was said between Charlotte and Portland. I hope we didn’t explicitly say “Take Augustine and we’ll trade you pick 13 and X”. If you tell a team to take a player, with certain conditions in place for you to end up with that player you shouldn’t back out.

To do that, knowing you have a different deal in place and just say it so they don’t pick your player is completely wrong.

I have no clue if that is what happened, and I hope it isn’t what happened. If you do that as a GM too much you’ll find yourself without partners to trade with.

by Replacement Level Poster on Jun 28, 2008 5:34 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm pretty sure Ben

was trying to say there’s no evidence that that happened. He was alluded that KP blew smoke. Blowing smoke is a whole lot different than simply renegging.

That said, I hope it didn’t happen as well. Doesn’t sound like it did, thankfully.

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by hobobob on Jun 28, 2008 5:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

Guess I wasn’t clear. I don’t think that is what happened either. I also hope it didn’t happen. With the way everything unfolded though makes you curious what really happened.

by Replacement Level Poster on Jun 28, 2008 5:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Chad Ford

Said that the bobcats were trying to trade Felton leading up the draft. I don’t think there was any funny business, Bobcats don’t like Felton and thought it was time to move on.

I’m a D.J. Augustin admirer, and I think he’ll be an improvement over Raymond Felton eventually. The Bobcats were shopping Felton before the draft and I think they’ll keep doing it now.
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by hightide on Jun 28, 2008 5:44 PM PDT   2 recs

good find

this makes the Cats pick look more legit

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by mark twain on Jun 28, 2008 5:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fans don't seem upset

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7399

The Bobcat fans don’t seem too upset with their pick (as least by page 3…). It seems like if there was any hint of KP using unethical means to screw Charlotte with Augustin, that at least a few fans would be mentioning it online.

by OutrageousJ on Jun 28, 2008 6:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he has been on the block for awhile

i advocated us getting felton back in march or april…

there’s a big difference between shopping someone and drafting their replacement …

that can’t be a pretty locker room situation.

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by Ben. on Jun 28, 2008 5:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

exactly

there are romours of him goin to NY in exchange for Lee.

by Falcao on Jun 28, 2008 5:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed...

Augustin is a much better fit under Larry Brown- and Brown doesn’t like Felton.

by The Graduate on Jun 29, 2008 3:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Excellent comments

I agree wholeheartedly.

by OrygunRod on Jun 28, 2008 8:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Your are exactly correct...

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by blazerwizard on Jun 28, 2008 9:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

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by Corvid on Jun 28, 2008 9:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Recced.

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by annthefan on Jun 28, 2008 9:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's funny,

This entire discussion seems to be more about explaining what seemed to be a strange pick by Charlotte, as we can’t seem to understand what was going through MJ’s mind. It almost seems more plausible to believe that they got screwed deliberately by us, since the pick by itself makes no sense whatsoever. But as Ben and Dave have indicated, Charlotte picked DJ Augustin all by themselves.

by premthegrem on Jun 28, 2008 6:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Blazers Edge

Do I get any credit for smelling out the deal between the two teams?

I started with one and switched to another… between reading the reports and comments of the teams and knowing both of their teams and wants…. I just knew something was a brewing….. Just curious if you guys remembered my contribution, haha…. have a great season, you have a pretty good team!

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by Brent Beck on Jun 28, 2008 6:21 PM PDT   1 recs

no