I'm Really Glad We Got Bayless, but..
Since there have been approximately 2,681 fanposts in the last couple hours, let me apologize from the get-go if someone's posted this idea and I didn't get a chance to catch it. That said, away we go!
I'm really glad we got Bayless, but I have a sneaking suspicion it doesn't all end there. I was thinking last nite that we have some more consolidation to do. I was trying to figure out who's still left to go (i.e. RLEC, Martell, etc.), what they're worth and for what we'd be looking. Then it kind of dawned on me like Marlon Brando's diamond of genius from Apocalypse Now: what if Bayless isn't staying?
That throws a considerable chip into the pot and puts us in the running for.. you guessed it..
The Devin Harris meal deal
It's common knowledge that the Nets are in a running of their own, often referred to as the LeBron sweepstakes. The trade with the Bucks, the drafts and more all point to them slimming down their roster's salaries, filling up on young, cheap guys with potential and crossing their fingers for 2010. I would call Bayless a prime candidate for such a club. I would also say Martell is. I would say RLEC is right up their alley. Combine those three and that is one satisfying Slim-Fast plan.
I spent a good part of my work day looking at contracts for both teams, and, correct me if I'm wrong, we could probably pull something like this come July 1st..
The Portland Trailblazers trade
- Jerryd Bayless ($1,661,300, ? years)
- Martel Webster ($3,700,000, 2 years)
- RLEC ($12,700,000, EC)
for the New Jersey Nets'
- Devin Harris ($7,800,000, 5 years)
- Bobby Simmons ($9,900,000,2 years)
The Figures
This brings us to a dollar value of $18,061,300 going out and $17,700,000 coming in - pretty close. This gives the Nets somewhere in the vicinity of $6,138,700 money saved YEARLY on the point guard position alone. They'd be paying around 1/5 the price for what could be close to a top-10 PG by the time LeBron comes along. There's also the dead-weight Bobby Simmons contract (expires the year after this). Also, RLEC is RLEC for a reason, and I believe NJN would be the most interested party for his EC-ness.
The Quality
We're all familiar with Devin Harris. Close your eyes and click a fanpost from a month ago and I'm sure you'll find out plenty on him, so I won't go into it here. Simmons is intriguing in a slightly-more-useful-than-your-usual-negotiation-piece way. He's underachieved his whole short career, and would probably be playing SF behind Trout and Batum, anyway. He'd be better than a $10mil doorstop; he'd be a decent insurance policy, at the least.
The Lineup
This is where things get exciting. According to my calculations, our first and second string would be just UNBELIEVABLE if we swung this trade. Basically, we'd be getting rid of a green Bayless and a probably-not-content-to-play-backup Webster for a premier starting PG. Also, this presupposes we sign and play Batum this year. With Devin and co. in the lineup, it would probably look something like this:
Entree
- PG - Harris
- SG - Roy
- SF - Outlaw
- PF - Aldridge
- C - Oden
Dessert
- PG - Blake/Koponen
- SG - Fernandez
- SF - Batum
- PF - Frye
- C - Przybilla
We'd also have a smattering of Sergio, Von Wafer, Ike Diogu and Bobby Simmons as leftovers. I'm hungry!
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I’m no capspace wiz, but if the numbers truly work, with some tweaks here or there, your basic premise is very intriguing.
This is a great post that I hope generates a lot of discussion. Devin Harris offers us youth , athleticism, and veteran qualities at the point all in one very reliable and promising package. With Bayless, I finally believe that we have a piece that can land him (all Devin Harris posts up till now were more or less pipe dreams, IMHO).
The Net result (pun intended): we get a more experienced PG, a pure PG, and one that is sure to excel on the defensive end when we go up against N.O. and Utah for the next decade (this is critical for obvious reasons).
The addition of Batum and our remaining cap space in 09 can soften the blow of losing our athletic and young 3-pt ace Martell Webster. We make full use of Kopponen, who would make an amazing backup if he is as good as we hope he will be.
This kind of a deal with NJ puts us in contention much faster, making the most of the “Brandon Roy Era”, which may not be as long as some of us hope (he is already 25 and is injury prone).
With all that said, I PASS ON THE MEAL. Why?
Because the promise and potential of Jarred Bayless, and a Bayless-Roy backcourt duo, is just too much. With Jarred and Roy we have two relatively large guards that can handle, penetrate, pass, finish, and shoot from range. Both are able to post up their man (ie, Chris Paul) every time down the floor to exploit the height advantage. Both will maximize the alley-oop potential provided by Lamarcus and especially Greg. The backcourt duo of Bayless/Roy is not as conventional but has far more potential than Roy/Harris in my view. For that reason, I believe Bayless could eventually become every bit as untouchable as Roy, Oden, or Aldridge. I can’t say the same for Devin.
Furthermore, I am weary of any attempt to do anything with Martell Webster besides sign him to a manageable but long-term deal ASAP. Mark my words: Martell is our ideal starting SF in a year or two. You won’t want Richard Jefferson or anyone else.
I love what KP has assembled here. He has a roster with up to SEVEN All-star caliber players, all in the beginning stages of their athletic careers and he can lock all of them up to gel and bake and sautee or whatever it takes to become a possible dynasty.
Lastly, by unloading RLEC for Simmons, we cut into our precious 09 cap space, thereby limiting our options and leverage during the most promising summer of free agency this franchise will see in another 15-20 years.
The Meal is appetizing. This is a fantastic post.
But KP wanted Bayless for Bayless, and I don’t think he will sacrifice a bunch of capspace to get a possible upgrade before we even see what we have in him.
"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"
Are we ever gonna
stop… the daft is done. We have our team for a while. at least till February. if anything that’s a trade involving Raef . be happy fishee . relax.
uwe blab
Love the typo
The daft is never done.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
You're going to make me vomit
What’s the point of getting Harris….
When we are totally unsure of how good Martell will be after this summer
When we don’t know if Travis with his breathing condition can even play starter minutes
When we don’t know how good Bayless or Rudy are in an actual NBA game
When Batman could be a complete bust
When Sergio, Digiduuououou, and Von Wafer are completely worthless other than the fact that they have fun names
And why do we give New Jersey a 13mil expiring contract, a 21yr old SF who is better than Batman (and will probably always be better than Batman), and a 19yr old PG that could easily surpass Harris? Are we trying to set them up for Lebron? NJ would take this in a heartbeat.
And for our trouble
A 2nd tier PG that plays good defense
And a complete scrub who gets paid 7mil a year to sit on the bench
DEVIN HARRIS IS NOT THAT GREAT. He’s a rich mans Rajon Rondo with a decent 3pt shot. Pencil him in for 14-16 points a night and 6 assists. That’s all he is. he cannot single handidly stop Davis, Cp, or any of those players. Honestly Bayless will probably be as good as Harris in a year or two.
Even if Bayless or Rudy doesn’t work out we have all that cap room in 2009 to get him (basically take on his contract for nothing). Trading for him now with Bayless & Martell would make me want to bludgeon my hand with a hot iron.
Right now the Blazers are a paper tiger, but it’s a special paper tiger designed by KP’s drafting origami.
Sorry to come off so SAS-like but cmon stop with the Harris fetish. This is a terrible trade. Go youtube Bayless and get hyped.
A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!
Congrats
The title of your comment becomes the new poll question!
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
Awesome
Although I don’t get to vote for my own pick :(
And do you like the drafting origami? I enjoyed that.
A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!
Uh..
Your concept? Sure. I guess that makes two of us.
Also, sorry to turn your stomach. It actually took some real BEdge convincing to get me in Devin Harris’ corner, and I thought people would be ALL OVER this idea. I’m pretty shocked his value’s dropped so much since Bayless came along.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
I still love Devin Harris
And a Bayless for Harris thought has passed my mind the second we got him. I think he’s much more gettable now for the exact reasons you say, actually.
I don’t have much time to go into detail with what I think, but I don’t like losing Martell unless we can’t sign him to a reasonable contract that allows us to have salary cap space, because I don’t think Outlaw beats him out as the starter. Webster was so far ahead of Outlaw in real basketeering last season, just not as exciting.
Perhaps others aren’t as excited about moving Bayless because they just got so excited that they got him, and want to enjoy him a bit longer? I gotta admit, his potential has me thinking things over, even though my first thought was DEVIN HARRIS OOH BOY I’M GONNA GET YOU NOW.
Bayless was described as a thinking man’s Monta Ellis, except can play defense and shoot… that sounds nice. Aside from his arms, his pre-draft measurements and times are either as good or better than Derrick Rose. He was/is the second best PG in that draft, and SHOULD be able to guard the PGs of the league adequately. He reportedly already brought the ball up the court all the time, and appears to have good handles and decent passing ability.
It’s funny how short his arms look, because really, they’re normal for a non-NBA person. They’re a few inches longer than his no-shoes height. Those guys wingspans are freakish.
If we turned him into Devin Harris, kept Webster on a small contract somehow, I think I’d be happy. Before the draft, I didn’t think we had a realistic shot at Bayless because he was rated so high and the cost would be so much to move that high in the draft. I’m letting him sink in a bit, and I think I like the cut of his jib just like I like Harris’...
And like I said, I think that’s why people aren’t jumping all over this idea, which is sound in all respects.
I mean, I’m as big of a Devin Harris fan as there is round these lands, and I’M going “hmm, lemme ponder that more…”
We do KNOW (in theory) that Harris would be a great fit with Roy, and play top defense, whereas we can only HOPE with Bayless… but he was ranked high by KP, we actually drafted him (basically), we value our own players more than others, etc.
Tough call, my friend. Nothing wrong in that you propose, though. It makes perfect sense to me, anyways!
Mortimer
You Know..
You remind me of one other thing – I’m not really crazy about the idea of getting all attached to him right before KP pulls the ol’ switcharoo. I think that was actually a big reason I wrote this post – to gauge the likelihood by the BEdge response.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
lol
But seriously all the talk about his arms is kind of ridiculous, it’s not like he is undersized so he will be able defend PG’s just fine.
A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!
reminds me personally more of
Whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should--Max Ehrmann
You play defense with your feet...
and he didnt seem to have any trouble getting his shot til this point. I worry not about his arms.
Does anyone have any idea if J-less is coming to summer league? I imagine he is and it makes me wonder how that will effect our Petteri. The blazer already told Kop that he would get lots of pg minutes, but it seems like they would want to give most of them to Bayless to help him adjust…
RUDY > MJ
Petteri will need to adjust also.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
Wait until February
KP and others had Bayless as the 4th best “player” in the entire draft. Typically, someone slated there has always been an elite player, year to year. Bayless played for one year in a program that had injuries early, which left Arizona with the fact that their best two guards were their one and two point guards. Because Bayless was the better offensive player, they moved him to the SG position. Hence, the entire world began calling this young man with his one year of college – a “combo” guard. If there had been no injuries, he’d have been the point guard for Az, his assist total would have been higher, and that’s how the world would have perceived him. KP and Mac call him a point guard, however, because they recognize that he has the skills, but was used out of position. Further, they consider him the 2nd best point guard out of this draft.
Having said this, I’ll ask a different question. First, do you trade for a guard in the NBA (Harris) who was not the 4th best player, nor the second best point guard in his draft, when you just drafted a player who is considered both by management? Or, given you have a young team that will be developing at every position for several years, would you also give this elite player you’ve just drafted the time to develop along with your other young players?
Personally, I’d give Bayless the time to develop. And, I think that’s precisely what the Blazers intend to do. They’ll put Bayless at point and give him time to settle in and learn the position. And they’ll do that because they believe he has the skills to be better than Harris over time. Indeed, given how people view Rose, then being the 2nd best PG in this draft could very well mean that he would have been the top rated PG in other drafts, because their are only a handful of players like Rose, and they don’t come along every year.
So, I’d have to vote no. If he does have the skills to be better, it would be premature to not take the time to find out. Further, don’t forget that we also need the time to find out if if Outlaw/Webster can “own” the SF position. Only then will we know where we need to concentrate our fire-power for potential trades to improve the team in the late winter. We have 10 good players right now, plus the cap space and 4 #2’s in next years draft. On the third team, we have Diogu, Sergio, Koponen, Batum and LaFrentz. We have until February to let these players play before making any further moves.
Right now everyone is decompressing from the draft – and still talking trades. We’re doing that because no-one thought we could get a player rated as high as Bayless – given we drafted at 13. But we did. At the same time, we saw that the Blazers, by refusing repeated offers to trade Outlaw and Webster, decided to stand pat at SF and let Outlaw/Webster show whether or not they can own the SF position.
In the spring, given cap space and the need to sign contracts with Webster and Frye, you’’ ll see KP set down with both and settle those “before” the summer. At that time, he’ll make other moves if necessary.
While another deal appears to be coming,
I don’t think it is going to arrive till February, and I believe it will involve shipping out Martell or Outlaw along with Raef for a bonafide defensive star sf. Either that, or Portland doesn’t deal at the trade deadline, and allows raef’s contract to expire over the offseason. I don’t think Portland is going to deal Bayless anytime soon, especially since his development period fits right into the timeframe that our championship window opens (2-3 yrs). My problem with dealing raef (even at the trade deadline), is that I’m wondering what spot we could possibly be trying to improve at? We are set at the 2, 4 and hopefully 5. This draft appears to address our longterm solution at the 1. That leaves the 3 as the only position which we don’t have settled. I think that from now till the all star break/trade deadline, the team is going to put Outlaw/Webster on the clock, and once and for all decide which player is going to be the sf of the future (if either one wins). I predict that if either one is shown to be good enough, then the only way we deal Raef is if we get a T-Mac type player, a veteran with ridiculous skills. Otherwise, we stand pat and allow RLEC to expire, and use the salary space to give extensions/raises to the guys on our team that are in our long term future.
In defense of Bobby Simmons
dude was a late 2nd round pick that is still in the league. I would say by that measure alone he has overachieved. He was also 2004-2005 most improved player. He has been set back by injuries the last few years, but I would say he is definitely not an underachiever.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
He's also being paid close to 10 million dollars
That contract is deal breaker, no question about it.
A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!
I dont want him
I was just saying he is not an underachiever
I want to see what Bayless offers as I would hate to watch Devin Harris’ goofy jumper for the next few years. yuck
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
not an underarchiever, just overrated
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jun 28, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Question
Is there a restriction for a Simmons trade? He was just traded to the Nets…don’t they have to keep him for a some period of time before moving again. I really don’t know if this is true or I am misremembering the rule.
GO says " Sir, you fornicated vertically…observe the consequences!
Another Wild Thought
I must admit, nearly this same thought crossed my mind the morning following the draft, whether it be for Devin Harris or a different PG we really like. I started thinking “What if Bayless is really just another chip in our trading arsenel?” It sure would take some of the sting of trading away a big time point-guard if you were getting a top-5 draft talent back in return. But in the end, I just don’t think this is the plan for the summer. Now, 40 games into the season, I think this could be a possibility. It all depends on what Bayless, Webster, Outlaw, and Frye do during that time.
Late yesterday, I had another thought. I can’t believe I’m going to bring this up, as I’ve been one of the biggest people saying “quit talking about Chris Paul”. but please, bear with me here. This is the ONE possible scenario where we somehow get Chris Paul next year. the odds are probably 1000 to 1, or worse, but here goes.
Background: New Orleans Hornets owner George Shinn is notoriously cheap. Epic cheap. Donald Serling-esque cheap. A lot of pundits think the Hornets are one good starter away from being a championship contender. So, what do they do? They sell their draft pick for cash. Granted it was a late first rounder, and not likely to net the needed starter. But it’s a piece that could have been packaged with something else to move up or make an offseason trade. Instead, they just give it away.
Now, Chris Paul has to see all this. He has to see that his team is hamstrung by an owner who isn’t willing to spend the extra money to put them over the top. Is this enough for him to come next summer and say “hey, I want out. I’m willing to play out the Q.O. year and leave. That’s summer 2010, I’ll be the consolation prize in the LeBron Capspace Sweekstakes. That puts me in New York with either the Nets or Knicks. I’m gonna get paid, and I’ll be going to a team who is willing to keep paying if we are sniffing the title. So, Mr. Shinn – I’ll work out a Sign and Trade with you to send me to a contender and you can save some face by getting some real talent back.”? Here’s where we come in – we can throw some cheap talented assets at Shinn. And we won’t have to match salaries due to the cap room we’ll have. We can take back a full Max deal in Paul, and send out a package centered around Bayless. Other pieces could include Blake, Outlaw, Sergio, Batum, Koponen, and any of Frye, Diogu, or Webster that were extended this coming summer. Not to mention 1st and 2nd round draft picks.
Now, this scenario is a complete pipe dream. The ONLY reason it’s even conceivable is because of Shinn’s cheapness. Even then, it is highly highly unlikely. A perfect series of events has to happen. The first of those is whether or not Paul signs and extenstion this summer. But interestingly, even if he does, that doesn’t rule this option out. Because it is NOT a free agent play, it’s a trade. Even if he locked up this summer, the trade next summer would essentially be the same. The part he no longer has is the leverage to threaten leaving. That shouldn’t be completely discounted, but I think in the end the driving factor in this possibility is not Paul, it’s Shinn’s cheapness. If they don’t make any on-court progress this year, or regress, then maybe he says “hey, we aren’t going to win, I might as well save a bunch of money”.
Ok, impossible scenario complete. I give myself a Pritch-slap for being the one to post the obligatory “Chris Paul in 2009” thread. Now back to reality…
George Shinn refuses to spend in order to make the team a contender?
Peja Stojakavic was a free agent signing. They traded for Chandler who is guaranteed 40 million over 4 years. David West just signed an extension, so did head coach Byron Scott. They have 4 expiring contracts this season, which means they will be under the cap in 2009. Why would they go through all that trouble of building a contender, if they weren’t willing to sign Paul to a max deal?
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 28, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
well
I did say it was a total and complete pipe dream….
those signing aside, everyting I’ve read says he’s a tightwad. Also, he’s cleary been trying to cut salary and keep his cap down as much as possible the last 6-12 months. If his team doesn’t progress this coming year, maybe he throws in the towel on spending. Peja won’t be tradeable. If he’s shopping West and/or Chandler, is Paul going to want to lock up long term?
I’m not sure how they are going to be under the cap next summer. I just looked up their salaries:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans.htm
Mike Jones will pickup his player option and Armstrong and Wright’s teams options will be picked up. That puts the Hornets at 56.6 million NOT including a Chris Paul extension done this summer. And they have only 10 guys under contract right now, so figure that they have to add at least 2 or 3 contracts for this upcoming season – at least one or two of those will likely be more than one-year deals. If they do a CP3 extension this summer, hey are way over the cap next summer. Even if they don’t, they are either at the cap, or at best a few million under, which is no better than having the MLE.
Donald Sterling was also notoriously cheap
But he spent big money before the 2006 and 2007 seasons. The promise of a title contender often lures tightwad owners to break the bank, because they realize that a winning team will fill the arenas, attract more sponsors, etc etc. There are very few teams that can win a title and stay under the cap these days, sometimes owners have to be willing to take the hit. The main concern of Shinn right now is to avoid the luxury tax, which he is smart in doing so. There aren’t any attractive FA’s out there for the Hornets, and their team needs bench help, not huge roster changes.
Of course, I’m just speculating, (as you are on a crazy pipe dream), and Shinn could be an idiot and lowball Paul just as well. But, I find it hard to believe he will turn down a chance to turn the Hornets back into a cash cow (which they were in the 90s) by extending Paul.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 28, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Word Substitutions
Substitute Deron Williams (and the ailing Larry Miller) for CP3 (and Shinn), and I’m thinking this becomes highly plausible (especially after listening to the Jason Quick interview last night).
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 28, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
add to that
the boozer to miami next summer speculation thats already going on.
I think both are complete pipe dream, but we got time to pipe dream right now
Good point, I forgot about that.
But then again I root for the Cleveland teams when not cheering for the Blazers, and Boozer is the biggest snake to slither out of Cleveland since Art Modell, so I try to ignore him.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 28, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Boozer is a snake?
Their GM was an idiot (the brother of John Paxson). Who makes backdoor handshake deals anymore? Boozer had every right to take the number Paxson gave him and explore his true market value.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 28, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, a snake
Cleveland could have left him hanging for another year at $600k, then signed him to a max deal under the Bird rule (more than he would have gotten out of Utah, to answer your “fair market value” point). He begged them to rip up his contract because he wanted security. So they gave him the best deal possible at the time, then he turned around and shoved a dagger in their backs.
Yes the owner (and GM) were idiots for trusting Boozer and his agent, but that doesn’t make him any less of a snake.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 28, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Again not buying it
If there’s a Jazz player that is untouchable, it’s Deron Williams. They are much more likely to trade Boozer (Miami is very interested in him) or Kirilenko (who they have been trying to move for 2 seasons now).
Top 5 players in the league just don’t move around that easily. Their current teams will do whatever it takes to keep them around.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 28, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Quick interview
The problem isn’t the Jazz, it’s that Deron wants out of Utah (according to Quick).
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 28, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Meh, I wouldn't take what an Oregon-based reporter says about Williams and the Jazz
I’ve never heard any reports out of Utah that Williams was unhappy in any way with the Jazz organization. They’ve been very good to him, and his only criticisms were of his teammates when he felt they didn’t try hard enough against the Spurs in 2007.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 28, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
meant to say
I wouldn’t accept what an Oregon-based reporter says about another team’s situation as absolute truth. Sports writers (especially NBA ones) make a living off of speculation and trade rumors, sometimes they stick, most times they have no basis in fact.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 28, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
OK then...
Where are all these fact-based rumors from sources outside of Portland? Vecsey? Can I at least get a link or two? Quick doesn’t strike me as someone who throws a bunch of garbage against the wall and sees what sticks.
I don’t really care to get into a stupid argument about rumors, I’m just passing along something that I actually heard on the radio.
If I were CP3 or Deron, I’d want to know that my teammates and the organization were truly committed to winning. There may be additional pressure from the NBA for Paul to stay in New Orleans because of their commitment to make it work there, but otherwise their situations are pretty much identical.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 28, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
also
rumor is already out there that DW and the Jazz are pretty close to agreeing on an extension this summer, so that would lock that option up. I haven’t heard anything yet about a similar deal with CP3
I haven’t heard that rumor, just the opposite (No way CP3 is leaving, but Deron is unhappy).
But, like you said, if someone signs an extension, they are likely off the table.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 28, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Contract Question
My understand is the Nets are trying to clear cap size for the summer of 2010, not the summer of 2009. So why would they dump Simmons’ contract (which expires in 2010) in order to pick up Raef’s contract (which expires in 2009)?
There may be an incentive for the Nets to dump Harris, whose contract is up in 2009 and I don’t know if they want/need to re-sign him, and there definitely is an incentive to dump Vince Carter’s monstrous contract… but I don’t see any other onerous contracts in New Jersey at this time.
So if I’m Kiki Vandeweghe, I’m trying to do anything to get rid of VC’s contract, perhaps I’m dumping Harris, and of course I want cap space in the summer of ‘10, but otherwise I’m trying to assemble the best (and cheapest) possible roster to compliment Lebron and further entice him to come to New Jersey/Brooklyn. With this in mind:
Does Bayless fit for NJ? Absolutely, yes.
Does RLEC fit? Not really, no, unless they can use that as a chip to dump VC.
Does Martell fit? I could definitely see him complimenting Lebron, but again, he might end up becoming too expensive for them upon re-signing.
For the Blazers, I can see Devin Harris being a better fit than Bayless, but not a talent upgrade, and definitely not worth dumping RLEC and/or our CSWOO (Cap Space Window Of Opportunity) next summer.
So, I rate this trade at two vomits, plus one dry heave.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 28, 2008 10:30 AM PDT reply actions
You know, I said “two vomits plus one dry heave”, but at the same time I want to to thank 12sharks for posting this. It’s a great thought and I feel like the most underreported item right now is that a huge, franchise-shaping deal is looming, either this summer, at the trade deadline, or next summer.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 28, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
harris' contract
runs through at least 2012 or 2013.
you are correct about them trying to dump VC’s contract to clear that space. but in the end, they can have all the space in the world – but they got to have pieces that will compliment LBJ or he won’t even think about signing. Right now, Devin Harris and Yi are the 1st two pieces. But if they can’t dump VC and can instead dump Harris, then Bayless is a decent piece for them as well. and if they can add an outlaw or webster at the same time, then that’s a guy who can add to the LBJ enticement package.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm
Are they wrong? It says Harris is a FA next summer
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 28, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
it's wrong
http://www.google.com/search?q=devin+harris+contract&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1
Signed 5 year extension that start in 08-09, meaning he’s locked up through 12-13
Thanks
I amend my previous statement then… I give it one vomit, and one dry heave.
That’s weird because it seemed like hoopshype was pretty up to date (they pulled Richard Jefferson off the Net’s roster)... now I’m starting to wonder.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 28, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions

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