One More Lottery In Store
Nate has a tremendous challenge ahead of him this year. He has 3 rookies on the team now who will be expected to receive significant playing time: Oden (with only 1 year of college), Rudy (a little more experienced) and Bayless (with only 1 year of college). How difficult will it be to make the playoffs in the Western Conference while trying to break in 3 green rookies? In my opinion .... highly improbable.
So Blazer fans, we just might have to put those playoff aspirations on hold for yet one more year. But in the end, it will be so worth the wait if you just let yourself imagine what will follow! When it finally happens, I think we'll see that it will be more than just "making the playoffs". We're going to be winning some series'.
I'll not be at all disappointed if we fall short of the playoffs this upcoming season and will not be holding Nate accountable for it; unless he is not giving these guys a chance to progress. The joy and satisfaction will come from watching the development of these 3 high potential, exciting players, all the while observing the progress of our key guys, Brandon, LaMarcus, Travis and Martell.
This is going to be an exciting season .... almost thrilling! I am so pumped.
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Respectfully Disagree
Do you think adding Greg Oden, Rudy Fernandez and Jerryd Bayless can get this team 10 more wins than they got last season? Yes? No?
If you say yes, then we’ll be going 51-31. That record should be good enough for a trip to the playoffs.
by blackcat on Jun 27, 2008 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a lot of wins for 3 rookies
They’re upgrades but not huge ones. I think we make the playoffs, but 51 wins is rather a lot.
by rmcdougall on Jun 27, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
respectfully disagree
Greg Oden is a huge upgrade over the Gorilla. THE best player in Europe (this ain’t the ncaa’s kiddys) is a huge upgrade over JJ.
Plus, you don’t make the playoffs w/o 51 wins in the WC.
by gardenofoden on Jun 27, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much
the funniest thing i’ve ever heard. Greg Oden isn’t a huge upgrade??? do you follow basketball???
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by mark twain on Jun 27, 2008 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over Pryzbilla?
You’ll see. Oden needs to adjust to the league, and that will take a while. Pryzbilla was the third best starter on our team. He was a real starter and really talented. Switching a starter-quality Center for a Rookie is going to get you long-term advantages but you won’t see short-term advantages.
It’s not that I don’t value Oden, I do. I just don’t think you value Pryzbilla enough.
PS, let’s not do the “do you even follow basketball.” thing to fellow fans…
by rmcdougall on Jun 27, 2008 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When we played with Pryzbilla
We played on offense 4 on 5.
Not that he didn’t bring it, but cmon, Oden needing to acclimate or not, he is an absolute monster. I don’t think Portland fans really understand how good he will be. This is like landing Lebron, he is on that echelon of talent.
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by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being an absolute monster does not automatically
...does not automatically make him an upgrade over Pryz. Pryz knows the fine points of the game like only a veteran can. He knows much more about where to put his body on the court and how to use it against giant NBA big men. Oden is tall and startlingly athletic, but these characteristics do not translate right away into NBA dominance.
Winning is everything.
by MT Suit on Jun 27, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pryz is a world-class rebounder...
...................................... Oden has a world-class physique.
We all HOPE Oden will be good to great. But he’s a guy that has played ONE YEAR of college ball and you really can’t expect him to play with the big boys in the toughest league in the world and not get schooled in the process.
Przy is a starting-caliber NBA center, so if Oden rides a little pine as part of the learning process, it’s not the end of the world. It’s utterly unrealistic to expect the second coming of Bill Russell, however, mostly because Bill Russell ain’t dead…
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by timbo on Jun 28, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right...
...can’t wait to find out!
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by bforsythe on Jun 28, 2008 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree sorta
I do agree with blackcat that the additions dont add up to 10 more wins. And i know that 50 wins got you into the playoffs last year, but there are a few teams that are not going to do as well as they did last year (Mavs, Nuggets, Warriors) So I believe that 45ish wins will get you into the playoffs. SO yes I voted they get in next season
by ifarr on Jun 27, 2008 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Average for 1st pick for a team's win total is around 10 games
Adding 3 talented rooks in Rudy, Bayless, and Oden to a more wisened Roy, LMA, and Travis should be 50-51 games.
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But most of those teams won a lot fewer games than we did last year.
I gotta say though, if we don’t make the playoffs I’ll be stunned.
by begottenson on Jun 27, 2008 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with above
Teams that get #1 picks don’t normally win #1 overall picks. Going from 41 to 51 is VERY difficult.
by rmcdougall on Jun 27, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most teams with a 1st pick go from "horrible" to "bad"...
...................... which is +10 games.
Blazers are already at “pretty darned good.” It’s not a +10 situation for them, in my estimation.
45 and the playoffs.
MUST MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!! Accept nothing less!
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jun 28, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check that -- 47 and the playoffs.
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jun 28, 2008 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are young BUT
We…
have amazing talent
are well coached
have great chemistry
are unselfish
are focused on both ends of the court
You are telling me we can’t beat the dysfunctional thuggets or the team whose defense cosists of jacking up 3s faster than you get across half court?
Brandon and LMA were already good, but with another year under their belt? We are going to be in the playoffs. Maybe not as the 4 or 5, but at least at as the 7th or 8th seed.
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 7:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When the poll question starts out 17-0
I think your question has been answered dude.
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by chrischa on Jun 27, 2008 8:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You have to take into account the fall off by a few teams
Dallas, Denver, etc
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phoenix too
I think it’ll take a lot less to make the playoffs this year than it did last year. It just HAS to, statistically. Last year was ridiculously random.
by rmcdougall on Jun 27, 2008 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lottery = Hit the road Nate
When you have a .500 team that is made up of young players who improve exponentially year to year, and when you add a once in a decade 7 footer you have to make the playoffs. The West will be brutal but no as such. The Nugs are flimsy and bound to implode, the spurs and suns are old and the suns are super inury prone, same goes for the rockets. GSW is an enigma. Dallas/Utah/LAL are solid for next year but you never know. A better poll question is Mac gone if we don’t make it? I say yeah, and I like the guy.
by ChadFord on Jun 27, 2008 8:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well sir, with your status and NBA knowledge,
you’re not one I’m inclined to argue with—especially so because your’s isn’t a ‘homer’ opinion. I might even have to change my vote. Oh wait, I didn’t vote ‘cuz it seemed unnecessary with my opinion already being expressed.
Many thanks for replying and for visiting Dave’s great site; here’s hoping you’re on the mark (except for the part where we might be showing Mac the door if we should fail the playoffs).
by TwoDeep on Jun 27, 2008 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that isn't ESPN Chad Ford
it’s some fat guy in his parents basement.
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by mark twain on Jun 27, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wait until my next podcast
I am totally supporting banning your racist, trashy novels.
I used to post here a long time ago. morescrillaigots was the name and keeping Trout was my game.
I’m not fat, I’m about 130 lbs. I don’t know why everyone assumes fat people pollute the internet.
I don’t live in my parents basement. I’ve been bedridden since my surgery last week, so Dave’s wonderful site has provided some entertainment yet again.
I may not be ESPN’s star analyst but I do make 15-20 games a year and watch as many as much basketball as college, work and a girlfiend will allow.
I usually don’t defend myself against strangers but as someone who takes great care of my body being called fat strikes a nerve.
I don’t think 2deep actually thought I was Chad Ford, if he did I have a great car to sell him.
by ChadFord on Jun 27, 2008 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Kevin Pritchard
Really, I am!
by rmcdougall on Jun 27, 2008 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you so much Kevin
for the magic you performed 2006 & 2008. I am in awe.
by TwoDeep on Jun 28, 2008 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You tell em Chad!.
We skinny guys rule. Now anybody who chooses ‘mark twain’ as his screen name, you’d have to wonder about his body fat percentage.
by TwoDeep on Jun 28, 2008 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And his facial hair.
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by annthefan on Jun 28, 2008 3:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sir, I knew Mark Twain, and you're no Mark Twain...
................................... people that steal pseudonyms shouldn’t get stoned, or something like that.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jun 28, 2008 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was an outsider looking in
I would honestly expect the Blazers to make the playoffs.
I’m not saying our new players are at a level near these guys yet but here are some comparisons they get.
Greg Oden = Bill Russell. Russell himself said he thinks Oden will go great things. So far looking good.
Rudy Fernandez = Manu Ginobli, but younger and faster. I can live with that.
Jerryd Bayless = Chauncy Billups. Not bad at all.
Now sure, these are some best case comparisons, don’t start saying this player will never be as good as that player, but when they are getting compared to all time greats and all-stars I don’t really see how we can’t improve greatly with them. Even without them I think we could accomplish high 40’s wins this year. A play off spot on the west isn’t easy to get but I really think we have a chance.
by Bskey on Jun 27, 2008 8:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oden may be Bill Russell in a couple years...
............................. or not. But he doesn’t get to play against a bunch of earthbound slugs in Chuck Taylors as opponents, so even if he is, he’s gonna be just one of several top-flight centers. It’s not automatic ticket to even one world championship…
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"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jun 28, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
all the while observing the progress of our key guys, Brandon, LaMarcus, Travis and Martell.
I think Travis and Martell are less key than Oden, but I understand how you include him in the first half of the sentence. Just sayin’
It’s true that bringing in rookies is hard. I think this is the team to do it, and I think they’ll make the playoffs, but I understand your point and it’s a good one. I have a LOT of faith in this coach and organization. I’ll again compare them to the NE Patriots in that regard.
by rmcdougall on Jun 27, 2008 9:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
More than that...
...it’s the perfect coach to do it with. Play offs or not next year, Nate’s not going anywhere. Thankfully.
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by bforsythe on Jun 28, 2008 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Now 2Deep!
Oden & J Bay’ are simply going to effectively contribute RIGHT AWAY. Rudy may very likely be effective in spurts ala J Jones and Martell. He is a seasoned player.
BRoy, LMA & Trout have ALL 3 now officially been around the block, they are veterens (granted young ones), but these are all stars on the risie for sure. They just left the launching pad and are now gaining speed and altitude BIG TIME.
Blake, Pryz & Frye, well lets see, yes more quality vets here too. They all know there roll.
We may fall short, but that “potential” is fast leaving town. The rest of the league is simply not keeping up with PTB’s pace. KP is overwhelming the league as a whole.
I htink the growth curve this year will suprise us all. Rip City baby!
The Oden Era, Day 366
by Heymoe on Jun 27, 2008 9:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Close games
The Blazers had an outstanding record in close games, of which there were a lot. Brandon Roy in the clutch? That’s part of it – the other part of it could just be luck. Maybe the Blazers true record was closer to 38-44. Something to ponder…
by Engineering Problem on Jun 27, 2008 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well that would imply a lot of that was luck
I think we have the motor to succeed no matter what the odds are against us.
You could also say that here were a lot of games where the Blazers just couldn’t make jumpshots, if some of those went our way then maybe we’d be above 41-41. You could argue we overachieved but I’m inclined to disagree.
Remember the Bulls game? We just wanted it more.Or even that comeback game against the Suns, the games at Denver, Dallas, and Utah, against the Lakers, we beat quality opponents this year.
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I watched every game last season. We could have very easily had a much better record if the ball had bounced our way a few more times.
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by bforsythe on Jun 28, 2008 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting observation
Actually, mine was the opposite; I saw several games where we got lucky in end of quarter situations, opponents didn’t bring their ‘A’ game, etc. Now, good teams just have that mojo where everything goes their way, but the moons and stars really aligned for us for a while. That said, 52 wins and 6th seed in 2008/09.
by Engineering Problem on Jun 28, 2008 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Blazers became a playoff team last December.
Seriously.
Erase the miserable month of November from the Blazers schedule last year, and imagine that they’d won at the same percentage they did during December. That’d be 9-10 more wins on the season. Enough to qualify for the playoffs.
If we could have erased the month of November from the schedule in March, and played another month’s worth of games to make up for it, the team we were then would have ALREADY been a playoff team. Without Oden. Without Rudy. Without Bayless.
Now, add in Oden, Fernandez, Bayless, and a year’s worth of development out of Roy, Aldridge, Webster, Outlaw, Blake and Frye. Factor in the confidence of them KNOWING they can win. Factor in a serious decline by Western-Conference playoff teams such as Dallas, Denver, and Phoenix.
This Blazers team is due for circa 52 wins next season. My T-wolves fan friends in Minnesota back me up on this, so it’s not just Homerism. These guys are gonna be pretty decent next season.
Now, it may be an early first-round exit, but (barring significant injury) it’s going to be a LONG time before the Blazers are in the lottery again. Book it.
Wherever you go, there you are.
by Majikj0n on Jun 27, 2008 10:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Still too soft?
All told, looks like yer boyz had a solid draft yesterday. Yet, a question still nags…
As Charles Barkley (and your very own timbo) observed ad nauseum last season, the Blazers were too soft to seriously warrant playoff consideration. The lack of a Oakley/Lucas/Millsap banger-enforcer type was indeed your team’s biggest hole last year. And it’s not one that was seriously addressed last night.
Yeah, I know, I know: Oden’ll be back next year. But cut the kid some slack, huh? He figures to spend much of the season in foul trouble as he and the zebras become familiar with each other’s tendencies. As good as Greg will be someday, he won’t pull down many boards sitting on the bench in the first quarter with with two fouls.
Of course, that’s where Prz figures to come to the rescue. But will he get any more help down low than he got last season when most of his frontcourt mates would have been in danger of being squeezed by Mr Whipple? Aldridge and Frye are not exactly hardmen. Diogu might provide some iron but he’ll have to show he can stay healthy and- as Dave correctly pointed out – that he can learn to play within himself.
So when the Blazers used the 33rd pick to draft Joey Dorsey, I thought “Problem solved.” He’s the kind of nasty, take-no-prisoners banger the team still needs. Badly. Of course, Joey didn’t stay a Blazer for long, packaged up with Arthur for Batum. Now, a lot of you expressed displeasure over “losing” Arthur. But I think in time you’ll come to regret not having Dorsey even more. He won’t ever be a star, but he should play a very long time in this league as a valuable, low-post role player.
Bottom line: TwoDeep may very well be correct in his speculation that the Blazers are still a year away. With a year of seasoning for Oden, another year of development for the young ‘uns and a possible trade for a veteran banger, 2009-10 more realistically looks to be the year that Portland finally re-emerges as a postseason force.
by knickfan on Jun 27, 2008 10:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
To think that we would miss the playoffs over not having an enforcer?
I could see that maybe keeping us out of the title conversation but not the playoffs. The Lakers made it to the Finals without an enforcer.
As far as Oden goes it will not take an entire year for he and the refs to feel one another out. I don’t see that being a problem after 30 games and Pryz is a more than capable back up. Pryz isn’t afraid to mix it up either.
Barkley’s main concern with the Blazers was that we had no interior scoring and were limited to jump shooting. LA made huge strides in that department in the last part of the season and now we bring in Oden. Bayless, Fernandez and Roy will also be sufficient slashers which will greatly reduce our reliance on the jump shot.
I don’t think the win total required to make the playoffs next year will be the same as it was this year. WIth Portland, Wolves, Clippers and maybe even Seattle being improved there will not be near as many gimme games as last year in the West. 43 wins gets into the 8th spot.
Rick Carlisle will get the Mavericks an identitiy and get them focused which should make them a playoff team again next year.
Either Phoenix , Golden State or Denver will be watching the Blazers from the sideline next year.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jun 27, 2008 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who's gonna have Roy's back
when Lamar Odom knocks him on his can again this year?
Oden? Maybe. Diogu? Perhaps. Yet, it remains to be seen whether either has the temperament to take on that aspect of the enforcer’s role.
Because if it once again turns out that the Blazers are just a little too soft, a little too nice than Brandon can look forward to another season of punishment whenever he sallies forth into the paint.
Last year, whenever Roy was getting beat up inside and the Blazers reverted to jump shooting team, Nate would put the ball in Jack’s hands to get the team refocused on taking it to the hole. But Jarrett is gone. Maligned as he was, he was the only Blazer who could reliably be counted on to drive the lane on a consistent basis. I recall he almost singlehandedly beat the Lakers in one game because they had no one who could stop him inside.
And while it’s possible that Bayless or Rudy may take on Jack’s role as sparkplug, it’s probably a bit premature to expect them to equal Jack’s effectiveness in their first year in the Association. So, it not hard to see how the Blazers could conceivably be in a worse position than they were last season without both a proven enforcer and their most reliable inside threat. Their three soon-to-be-star (maybe) rookies just might not be good enough yet to make up the difference.
by knickfan on Jun 27, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Joel is the enforcer....no ifs ands or buts
“So who’s gonna have Roy’s back when Lamar Odom knocks him on his can again this year?”
Everybody….except Batum. Jarrett was very effective when he drove to the hoop. When he shot the ball….not so much. Rudy was a monster at getting to the hoop and getting free throws in the Spanish league. He was getting about 10 free thorws a game. Bayless also seems like he can take it to the basket. We also know about how good Brandon Roy is at driving. I think we will get tons more easy baskets this year. Enjoy the Italian.
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by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 27, 2008 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Italian
will be fine in NYC. We gots enough tobacco in that town ta keep both him and D’Antoni happy until LeBron comes aboard as a free agent.
The same, I fear, cannot be said about yer beloved Blazers. With two Spaniards and a Frenchman now on the roster, Rich’s Cigar shop will either have to open a new store or hire extra security to protect themselves against ravaging hordes of nicotine-starved Euros.
by knickfan on Jun 27, 2008 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicotine starvation
They’ll be smoking what everyone else does in the NW.
by ChadFord on Jun 27, 2008 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll have to find a substitute
especially if the Finnish kid winds up on the roster as well
by knickfan on Jun 27, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
reckon the Finnish kid spends time in Amsterdam
at the coffeshops
Winning is everything.
by MT Suit on Jun 28, 2008 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the Nets are up a few points on you so far
Wouldn’t you say?
by pualo on Jun 28, 2008 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well seeing as
LMA, Outlaw and Frye all rushed in I don’t think we need to worry about that.
Oden is going to be the strongest player in the NBA. I’m not kidding and I’m not basing this off of homerism or any type of biased view.
When Channing was on the 2007 mens select team he played against D.Howard and Amare Stoudemire. He later played against Oden, and said that Oden was just as strong as those 2. This wasn’t to the press or meant to go anywhere so he would have no reason to lie or exaggerate. Now keep in mind this is BEFORE Greg’s injury, and thus before his rehab and weight lifting. Oden has gotten huge, and much much stronger. Roy has buffed up in the offseason, as has Aldridge and Webster and Outlaw should be doing the same right about now. People seem to forget how young the Blazers are, its not that they’re soft but they just haven’t gotten to their athletic peaks. Look for a much stronger team overall in the upcoming seasons.
by Bskey on Jun 27, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops!!!
I meant to vote yes! Sorry
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by mark twain on Jun 27, 2008 10:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think there’s about a 50% chance we see one more lottery. 3 rookies will be asked for major contributions.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jun 28, 2008 1:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good post.
I don’t know what’s going to happen but you could very well be right. Even if they are a ‘better’ squad this year they will be much more distracted. Also, they’re not gonna sneak up on anybody this year. Opponents will bring their ‘A’ game every night. It could take a year or maybe even two ‘till the Blazers are playing well as a team and have a winning strategy where everyone is comfortable with their roles. At the same time I’ll go along with MB and hope that after 41 games they put it all together, have the best record after the all-star break, and make the playoffs. It could go down either way. Even if we do go back to the lottery though, this is absolutely the best town to live in, the best team to support. I can’t wait. When does the Vegas League start? It’s coming up quick, right?
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by bforsythe on Jun 28, 2008 2:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that with the
addition of Oden, Rudy and Bayless along with the subtraction of Jack, we’re looking at an improvement of at least 10 games maybe even 15 if other teams like the Suns, Spurs, and Mavs get worse cause of age. If Baron Davis moves east then that’s another one down. Sh*t can happen and we could be winning 56 games next year so don’t write this group of guys off just yet!
by VinnyB on Jun 28, 2008 5:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A little playing time reality.
We didn’t tear the team apart. We let Jones, who was injured for 24 games go, and we traded Jack and McRoberts, and brought in another vet for the center/forward (Diogu) spot. The total lost production from Jones/Jack is 17.9 points, 4.4 assists, and 5.7 rebounds.
Then, we added 3 rookies that we can work into this existing lineup. Oden, Fernandez and Bayless. What some are saying is that Oden, Fernandez and Bayless, and another years experience for Outlaw/Webster/Roy/Aldridge can’t replace those 17.9 points, 4.4 assists, and 5.7 rebounds.
What are some of you smoking? You’re saying that Fernandez/Bayless can’t replace Jacks 9.9 pts and 3.8 assists, that Outlaw/Webster focussed solely on SF can’t replace Jones’s 8 pts and 2.8 rebounds in the 58 games he played. And then, you’re saying that if Oden/Diogu play the 24 minutes a game that Pryz did not play last year, that they won’t be an improvement over Frye/Lafrentz, and their stats of 1.7 pts and 1.7 rebounds in 39 games for LaFrentz, or Frye’s 4.5 rebounds and 6.8 points in 78 games.
Glad to see you have so much confidence in Oden, for example. Who cares if he has foul trouble? So what? He only needs to play in 24 minutes a game – or something like that. And you think in those 24 minutes that this man-child can’t score 7 points and get 5 rebounds? (And, we won’t talk about blocked shots).
And I’m also glad you’re so in love with Jack that you don’t think that Bayless/Fernandez, can’t give us 5 pts and 2 assists each per game. Even Sergio can do that.
Yes, I gotta admit. We gave up highly productive superstars and substituted bums. At least that’s what I’m hearing.
by Eben Calder on Jun 28, 2008 7:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
color me giddy
+ 1
outside of the Hornets, L*kers, and Jazz, there’s not a team in the West that we don’t have a reasonable shot at leap frogging this year- barring any significant injuries.
Oden is going to be one of the best 10 centers in the league the second he steps on the court. By end of season, top 5. And that is a conservative estimation.
A lot of these posts sound like skepticism for it’s own sake.
See you at the Garden in Nov- I’ll be the giddy dude.
by gardenofoden on Jun 28, 2008 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Twain famously said
“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” In your post, you cleverly employ statistics to pivot the discussion off in a completely different direction from my original point.
In my post, I simply noted that the Blazers still have the look of a soft, jump-shooting team, Oden’s addition notwithstanding. I said that I’m not sure if it was all that realistic to expect him to step in and impose his will inside during his rookie season, especially while learning the referee’s tendencies and battling foul trouble. I also noted that having traded their most consistenly reliable slasher – Jarrett Jack – may also hurt them in the short term by sacrificing some much needed toughness in the paint. In short, the concerns I raised were predicated largely on questions of attitude, leadership and toughness inside.
I’m not sure you really addressed that point by focusing on the statistical loss of Jones/Jack. Yeah, maybe those 17.9 points, 4.4 assists, and 5.7 rebounds won’t be that hard to replace – but at what cost? Will Nate be able to turn to Rudy and Jerryd to start taking it to the hole when the Blazers start settling for jumpers because they’re getting the snot pounded out of them inside? Will Nice Guy Greg get in Lamar Odom’s grill the next time he throws Brandon to the floor like a rag doll? These are my questions. Now, the answers may well turn out to be “Yes.” All I’m saying is that at this point in time it seems an awful lot to expect that level of toughness and leadership from three green kids in the grown up world of the NBA.
by knickfan on Jun 28, 2008 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knickfan
I think you have your stories reversed. Who pounded the snot out of the Blazers inside last year? And do you honestly believe that Oden will be intimidated by anyone in the NBA? If so, then you need to do some research. Please Google/Youtube Greg Oden. I challenge you to show me any clip of Greg NOT intimidating the hell out of his opponents. Being humble is usually a sign of maturity, not weakness. Odom will cower in fear in the presence of ODEN, heck he trembled when Jarrett Jack got in his face.
So we decided just to call ourselves "The Band". -Richard Manuel
by koyote on Jun 28, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MANY MANY TEAMS "pounded the snot out of the Blazers inside last year."
Here’s two that come to mind instantly: Toronto. Boston.
Shaq is a banger.
Orlando punishes down low.
Now fortunately, 3 of these 4 are in the East.
But it was a fiasco at times last year, with ONE legitimate low post rebounder (Pryz) and a coach oblivious to the problem and playing him 25 minutes for much of the season…
Next year we have Mr. GOd and Ike the weedwacker in the toolbox along with Pryz. And I think the situation is going to be MUCH better down low, even if Channing Frye continues to work in the off-season to make himself a fatter-and-slower version of Rasheed Wallace, hoisting pointless 3s… Now we don’t NEED Mr. Frye to keep his butt in position, there are other people better suited to do the dirty work to do the dirty work.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that next year’s Blazer team will be better than this year’s model—and this coming from the king of the grumpy dudes, not a homer.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jun 28, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Oden Effect=10 more wins
So, basically we are replacing Jack with a more skilled point guard, replacing Jones with a potentially phenomenal slashing guard in Fernandez, and adding the most hyped center to come along since Tim Duncan, to a hungry and more mentally/physically mature Blazer team.
So, ignoring the fact that Bayless and Fernandez will be huge additions, what will Oden himself bring next year barring another injury? Just look at the big men whom Oden has been compared to in the twenty years: Shaq, Robinson, Duncan, Amare, D Howard have all had an immediate effect on the teams they joined and lifted their teams significantly in the win category. I believe Oden is going to have the same effect here.
So we decided just to call ourselves "The Band". -Richard Manuel
by koyote on Jun 28, 2008 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll see, won't we...
............................. better? yes.
............................. 10 games better? Hmmmm. Likely 5. Beyond that, things have really got to click.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jun 28, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs






















