Trade thought after July 9

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 5:42 PM PDT

What if we traded Trout, Frye, Sergio and a #2 to Detroit for Prince. Would they take that?

I think I would have to do that trade on our end, I know some Blazer fans wouldn't want to do it, but in the long run that 5 time ECF experience should help. If we were able to substitute Diogu for Frye I would but I think that would lessen the possibilty of this happening.

Bayless/Blake/Koponen

Roy/Fernandez

Prince/Webster/Batum

LMA/Diogu/RLEC

Oden/Pryzbilla

Two extra spots.. who am I missing?

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I'd rather do Webster then Outlaw

I’d like to keep Outlaw, he’s got serious defensive potential, plus he fits our team. I don’t see Webster working out in Portland.

by Jason3123 on Jun 27, 2008 5:45 PM PDT 0 recs

So would I.

But would Detroit?

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up 0 recs

Serious defensive potential?

Well he might want to start developing it. I love Outlaw but defense has thus far been his worst or second worst area after boxing out for rebounds…

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by Idog1976 on Jun 27, 2008 8:17 PM PDT up 1 recs

Jason3123...

...wants to ‘do’ Webster. Heh-heh.

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by bforsythe on Jun 27, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up 0 recs

Let's give our team til the trading deadline

I might do it then. I would do almost nothing until then.

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by hobobob on Jun 27, 2008 5:52 PM PDT 0 recs

Who will get the minutes to find out..

If this is a possibility does Outlaw get to start?

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up 0 recs

outlaw and web

will split the SF minutes – so we’ll know something for sure on both by then.

by douglast on Jun 27, 2008 6:16 PM PDT up 0 recs

No, and here's why

I’m not in a rush to make huge changes in our roster. For two reasons

A. We drafted a bunch of rookies and who knows if they will ever amount to anything. Sure on paper we improved a lot because of the draft but let’s see what happens when we get on the court. I want the first half the season to evaluate our talent and then make moves based on how our team is functioning.

B. If a deal wasn’t made on draft day for Detroit that must mean Dumars didn’t like any offers. After all he’s the one saying “NO PLAYER IS SAFE (well except my man crush Stuckey). This decreases the chance that Detroit makes a move this summer, although it should still happen. If he makes a move he will probably trade for players that fit with Prince that without him (he’s younger, Billups and Rasheed are older). So we’d really have to blow him away with an offer here.

C. At the trade deadline Dumars will know if his team is going to make a serious push in the playoffs or they will have to do serious rebuilding. The price of Prince would drop, at that point we could probably get him for Martell+Digou, and draft picks/euros/Sergio, or some package including RLEC.

Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."

by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 5:59 PM PDT 1 recs

I one hope the price would drop

But I cant say if I was dumars there is any chance in hell I take Martell and Diogu for an all star

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up 0 recs

Martell+Diogu+Sergio+Future 1sts+RLEC that's pretty enticing if your team is going nowhere

Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."

by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up 0 recs

Its the future 1sts and RLEC

that are valuable. We WAY overvalue guys like Martell and Frye.
The rest of the league isnt quite as in love with them as we are.. we are like the opposite of Philly fans.. they hate all their players in all their sports irrationally.. we love every blazer irrationally.

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up 1 recs

I dont remember us loving jack irrationaly

oh wait…. nevermind

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by ptwnblzr on Jun 29, 2008 1:44 AM PDT up 0 recs

I probably shouldn,t have said that

that or I need to just change my sig again

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by ptwnblzr on Jun 29, 2008 1:44 AM PDT up 0 recs

Didnt he try and trade prince to Den?

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by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah with Chauncey or Rasheed for Carmelo

Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."

by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up 0 recs

No

This trade dumps our up and coming back up to LA. Now you have Diagu as the power forward if LA should go down for a long stretch. This is the year we find out if Trout is going to be the realest of deals or just good, And he’s Roy’s best friend. We want to build a team not mess with our teams heads. Sergio has a legit shot to be a great point guard. Most exiting player on the team for a reason… when he plays that is.

Hey I like Prince. Great, great player but the team as is has a better chance of challenging this year and in the future than your proposed team.

by Blazersaurus on Jun 27, 2008 6:14 PM PDT 0 recs

I think we overvalue Frye

I like him and all, but seriously he is a solid SECOND piece in the deal. Prince would be the starting SF, and Diogu is a servicable. backup

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 9:33 PM PDT up 0 recs

How do we value Frye?

Frye finished the season great, in both scoring and rebounding. Can he be that guy consistently?

At the moment (like Jack, Blake, Outlaw, Webster), he’s a guy who disappears and reappears from game to game. Maybe he’ll come in on fire next year and he’ll be a key player—who knows?

by jtanzer on Jun 27, 2008 10:42 PM PDT up 0 recs

wasnt fry a lottery pick?

does he have any potential left? could he be a starter on another team? should we just assume that his carear is on the downslide? will he get better? doesnt he rebound better then LA?

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by ptwnblzr on Jun 29, 2008 1:48 AM PDT up 0 recs

If you wanna talk trades

How about Ike Diagu and Steve Blake for Eric Snow and J.J. Hendricks (and maybe 2011 first rounder)?

Blazers get the best locker room presences in the league and a good/cheap future role player for the scrapes of the Indiana trade and Blake, who probably will struggle to get minutes from the 2 super rookies who KP will want to develop as quick as possible. Snow teaches the tricks he has learn over his 20 or so year career, can help the team without taking away playing time, and his contract is expiring and leave the Blazers with more cap room for 2009. I think Cleveland would do this trade in a second (PG-Blake>PG-Bobbie, and Ike>Hickson, equals quality instant help for Lebron) so they should sweeten the pot with a 2011 first rounder (you know, the season after LeBron leaves them).

Or maybe Snow isn’t even in the league anymore and I don’t know what I’m talking about.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Jun 27, 2008 6:35 PM PDT 0 recs

no way

Thats a DOUBLE trade down, besides we are trying to get a vet presence. and of course eric snow sucks

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up 0 recs

of course Snow is bad

But he has future coach written all over him and having him as an expiring contract would be good for locker room experience, if Blazers wanted a vet on the court than no, but if they wanted a vet for the locker room he would be a perfect fit.

But lets at least try to get the Cavs 2011 first round draft pick anyway we can.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Jun 27, 2008 9:35 PM PDT up 0 recs

haha.

Thats a good call.. we can get it next year. you can trade it three years in advance

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up 0 recs

Uck the worst!

The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down

by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 28, 2008 1:30 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah

in hindsight it would only work if Bayless was ready to take over now… I think the only good thing that came out of it try to trade for the Cavs 2011 first rounder.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Jun 28, 2008 2:03 AM PDT up 0 recs

Deng better than Prince

PPG 17.0 ........... 13.2
RPG 6.3 ............. 4.9
APG 2.5 .............. 3.3
SPG 0.9 .............. 0.5
BPG 0.5 .............. 0.4
FG% 0.479 ......... 0.448
FT% 0.770 ......... 0.768
3P% 0.364 ......... 0.363
MPG 33.8 ........... 32.9

Deng may be more available.
Chicago has to resolve Deng’s salary much the same as the Blazers will have to do next year with Webster and Fry.
Chicago has a surplus of talent at SF (Deng, Nocioni, & Sefolosha).
They need to add at PF and C.
Webster and Fry may be enough to get it done.

by spencerbutte on Jun 27, 2008 7:31 PM PDT 0 recs

Doubt it

Deng is their best SF. They hate Nocioni, and I thought Sefolsha plays SG more than SF?

Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."

by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 7:41 PM PDT up 0 recs

Your probably right about the marginal possibility

Deng is the only SF that I feel KP would make a move for now.

by spencerbutte on Jun 27, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up 0 recs

besides you got your man

Batman

Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."

by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 7:58 PM PDT up 0 recs

Batum has a couple of years of maturation coming

The SF position can become our strongest during the coming Champion years with Batum backing up Deng.

by spencerbutte on Jun 27, 2008 8:02 PM PDT up 0 recs

Prince > Deng

Defense…

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up 0 recs

Prince > Deng

Defense is important too

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by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 9:31 PM PDT up 0 recs

Deng is a restriced free agent

Our only real chance to get him is next summer and we can only do that if he accepts the qualifying offer.

by zach2046 on Jun 28, 2008 1:49 AM PDT up 0 recs

I just want to say

you are a bad a%% just for having your name. Check out my sig!

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by Idog1976 on Jun 27, 2008 8:11 PM PDT 0 recs

Well thanks!

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by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 9:31 PM PDT up 0 recs

I wonder

Since the guys we are talking about are important pieces of our team, if Detroit fans would be willing to do the trade…

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 9:34 PM PDT 0 recs

Doubt It

Sergio and the # 2 are throw—ins, and Frye’s a backup. Trout for Prince would be the focus, and I don’t think Dumars will pull the plug on that one. After all, Trout was the sixth man last year whereas Prince was a starter. This trade doesn’t give Dumars the ability to expect to get back to the championship given he doesn’t know if Outlaws really a starter at SF yet. And he certainly knows that Sergio was pushed down to the 5th start in the guard rotation – meaning we don’t have a lot of confidence in him either.

We have 10 solid players right now. Batum, Sergio, Koponen, Diogu and LaFrentz right now are the third team, as it were.

Frye can give us minutes both a C and PF, Webster/Outlaw need time to decide whose #1 (and Dumars knows that), and guard is set for now.

We can move anyone on the third team at anytime if we need to before February. And, we can make further decisions on Webster/Outlaw as well after we see another 40-50 games. And, we’ll have the cap space ready to be dealt as well as the 4#2’s. I’d book money that other, perhaps, than a little tinkering, that we’re set until February.

by Eben Calder on Jun 28, 2008 8:53 AM PDT 0 recs

Prince brings us everything that we are lacking

Blazers Needs Checklist

Prince

Veteran with Playoff experience- Check, Check
Comes from winning background-Check
Lock down wing defender- Check
Can play without the ball-Check
Can handle the ball-Check
Can run fastbreak-Check
Can finish fastbreak-Check
Durable-Check
Plays within himself-Check
Team First Attitude-Check
Intangibles- Timely blocked shots, creates mismatches, doesn’t give up on plays, very cerebral player

Definitely keep Martell, we will not need Outlaw with Prince .Batum or Webster can fill in
in 3-4 years when Prince starts slowing down. We are going to have to have a sharpshooter to spread the floor and Martell will fit the bill perfectly as he continues to gain confidence.

Can you imagine the length and athleticism of a Bayless, Roy, Prince, LA, Oden lineup? That can be a devestating defensive squad as well as offensive.

The 2nd lineup with Blake, Rudy, Martell, Diogu and Pryz….........And working Batum in their somewhere. Nice.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jun 28, 2008 11:47 AM PDT 0 recs

If we had Prince...

I would move our first championship of the New Era from next year up to TOMORROW. That is how good we’d be.

It might suck kinda, because then I wouldn’t have an excuse to watch the games… I’d know we won. It would be pure basketeering masturbation to watch Blazer games then, because the thrill of competition would be missing. It’ll be like a Harlem Globetrotters game.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 29, 2008 11:23 PM PDT up 0 recs