In the Eye of the Storm
Here we are in the relative calm after the twisting winds of the 2008 draft. What a frenzied night (yet again)! As someone who has lived in the
That’s exactly where we are right now. It seems peaceful, but hold onto your hats…there’s more coming.
First let’s look at the moves we did make, at least according to our best knowledge. The NBA, in a bid to kill ratings in order to justify moving the entire league to Oklahoma City, has adopted a strict policy against announcing any trades that actually matter to any human being on the face of the earth (besides the mamas of the players involved). Therefore while we are well aware that Splurd McHenry from
Here’s the expanded version of the moves:
Move #1: Jarrett Jack, Josh McRoberts, and Brandon Rush (Pick #13) to the
Move #2: Darrell Arthur (Pick #27) and Joey Dorsey (Pick #33) to the
Move #3: Omer Asik drafted (Pick #36) (Update: and then traded to Chicago for three second-round picks.)
Move #4: Mike Taylor (Pick #55) traded to the Los Angeles Clippers for a second-round pick in 2009.
Here’s the compacted version:
Blazers acquire: Jerryd Bayless (Pick #11), Ike Diogu, Nicolas Batum (Pick #25), three second-round picks from the Chicago Bulls, and a second-round pick from the Los Angeles Clippers.
Blazers give up: Jarrett Jack, Josh McRoberts, Brandon Rush (Pick #13), Darrell Arthur (Pick #27), Joey Dorsey (Pick #33), and Mike Taylor (Pick #55)
Here’s the practical version:
The Blazers netted Bayless, Diogu, Batum and four second-rounders and only gave up Jarrett Jack and Josh McRoberts.
Obviously the Diogu/Bayless for Jack/Rush and the Batum for Arthur and Dorsey moves are the major ones. Before we get into specifics, a word on methodology. In both cases Kevin Pritchard used a time-tested strategy known in draft circles as the “Yoink!” maneuver. With D.J. Augustin and Russell Westbrook off the board
I don’t think it’s worth writing much about the players we gave up. Jarrett Jack was a nice player but he probably wasn’t going to fit here or be happy here long-term. He was unlikely to start and since he was at his best while scoring he would probably never have a chance to flourish. Josh McRoberts could bang a little and pass the ball but he wasn’t terribly significant. I don’t consider any of the players we drafted as assets we gave up since all of this happened in the context of the same draft. We never really “had” Brandon Rush, we drafted him to trade him. You could say we lost the opportunity to play him but then you’d have to say we “lost” every player drafted 13th or later, as we theoretically could have taken any of them. So basically this was a cost-free draft. We didn’t give up anybody we weren’t going to trade anyway.
Now on to the players we got…
Jerryd Bayless 6’3 199lbs PG, 19 years old: JB was rated very highly in this draft, widely considered the second best point guard behind Derrick Rose. He’s quick, explosive, can shoot, can hit threes, can shoot free throws, can create for himself, and even plays a little bit of defense. He’s got good size for the point position. The knock on him is that he’s not a “pure” point guard like a D.J. Augustin. Much like Jarrett Jack he likes to score as much as distribute. He also needs to handle the ball to be effective. These things seem to indicate a shooting guard, but he’s small for that position and would have trouble defending NBA twos. Even if he’s basically a scorer, though, he’s still a serious step up in scoring from any point guard we have on the roster. If he ends up starting eventually he will benefit from playing beside Brandon Roy, as
Bayless looked somewhat disappointed when interviewed on ESPN after news of the trade came out. I would suggest that his disappointment was less about coming to
The long and short of it is we got a guy who very well could have gone fourth or fifth (and that’s legitimate, not one of those “this second-rounder really had first-round talent” statements) at number thirteen. That’s a value move you don’t sneeze at.
You can see Jerryd’s draft preparation video diary courtesy of our friends at Dime Magazine.
Ike Diogu 6’8” 255lb PF, 24 years old: Diogu is something of an underrated player as his stats have not been impressive in his first three years. He started out well in
Diogu is in his third year, and thus is due a qualifying offer or restricted free agency next season just as Jarrett Jack was. If we retain him through the summer of 2009 he will either cost $3.95 million for the qualifying offer, $8.7 million in a cap hold, or whatever we can renegotiate his contract for. This is actually slightly more than Jack would have cost.
Nicolas Batum 6’8” 214lb SF, 19 years old: Batum was coveted for his athleticism and potential. He’s long for a small forward, can slash like crazy, and can defend. He’s a runner and a finisher, which his highlight clips make abundantly clear. He’s a team player as well, which distinguishes him from many scorers his age. On the other hand he may be too much of a team player, as he is reputed to slip into a stupor at times. He’s not a great shooter, not a ball-handler, and may have some trouble creating his own shot at this level. He’s the type of player the Blazers will let simmer for a while, a la Travis Outlaw. If he pans out he could be an amazing, seamless addition to either the starting lineup or the second unit. In fact he could be exactly the kind of guy who makes opponents consider the Blazer lineup patently unfair. The Blazers will probably have to wait a while for that potential to develop. But it’s a good bet the fans just got a new cult favorite anyway.
Omer Asik 6’11” 230lb C, 21 years old: I was going to go all blogger-ninja on you and pretend like I knew all about 7-footers from
Update: Asik has been traded to the Bulls for three second-round picks. Link
Analysis and Notes:
Jerryd Bayless is the centerpiece here. If he becomes a key player this draft will have been a huge success. If not the other guys probably won’t make up for it. All indications are that Bayless will excel in some role, it just remains to be seen what role that is and how much the Blazers have to shift in order to accommodate him.
You will not see the Rush/Jack/McRoberts-Bayless/Diogu trade made official until after July 1st because the salaries don’t match until next season kicks in.
Salary-wise we traded away around $4.2 million of 2008-09 salary between the Jack, McRoberts, and the #13 pick. We took on roughly $5.5 million between Diogu and the #11 and #25 picks. For the summer of 2009 we are on the hook for approximately $1.1 million more for Bayless and Batum than we would have been for Rush. Diogu’s salary impact vis-a-vis Jack is impossible to determine without knowing what the Blazers would have done with each, but his base salary and potential cap hold are higher than Jack’s would have been, as described above.
In any case it’s far too early to give a final analysis of these moves, as they are not the last to be made. Lamarcus Aldridge, Channing Frye, and Ike Diogu probably do not stay on the same team together. If Petteri Koponen ends up signing with us then he, Steve Blake, Jerryd Bayless, and Sergio Rodriguez don’t stay on the same team either. If Batum were ready to play then we’d have a problem with Outlaw, Webster, and Nicolas as well, but that’s unlikely to be an issue. This means James Jones will not be back though, if there were a chance of that in the first place. The truth is we don’t know which of these players we acquired to keep and which to trade. We also don’t know which of our pre-existing players are on the block. All we know is that the consolidation is not complete yet. The back end of that storm is likely to hit soon…probably after July but sooner if salaries mandate it. Stay tuned.
Overall Draft Grade: A
Even if you don’t believe in the players entirely you have to admire any draft that nets this much potential with little cost.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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So, we turned Jarret Jack, Josh McRoberts and the #13 into Jarryd Bayless and a a banger at the 4 who is a good changeup to
LMA/Frye. Oh, and he’s on the last year of his deal too. That’s a MAJOR win. McRoberts would never crack our active roster.
Jack’s minutes were gone the minute Rudy announced he’s coming. So, in addition to adding a top 5 talent in the draft, we
opened up a roster spot AND got rid of a nice guy (Jack), who could potentially have been unhappy as the 11th man this year.
I see a TON of lineup possibilities. Bayless getting a lot of run on the 2nd unit to get in the lane and create scoring
opportunities for himself and others. Rudy/Roy backcourt at times. Blake/Marty/Bayless all hug the 3 point line when we are
playing the low post game with LMA and Oden. Small ball with bayless/rudy/roy/lma/oden. running team with
Sergio/rudy/martel/outlaw/lma.
I love this roster. And the best thing is, we STILL have pretty much the same flexibility now we did before today. Deal this
summer for a top SF? We got marty/frye/blake/outlaw/ike/rlec to offer for that. trade deadline deal? still have RLEC and 3
other expiring contracts—all of whom have good value. cap space summer 2009? we only have $30 million locked up. We can
let the evaluations of Outlaw, Frye, and Martel extend on a little bit longer maybe.
I like the summer league backcourt of Bayless and Koponen. Bayless plays the 1 on defense and the 2 on offense, which is
exactly how I see us using him with Roy/Rudy next year. Meanwhile, Koponen plays the 1 on offense, which is what we want to
evaluate in him this summer, but he uses his bigger body to defend the 2.
So, has anyone put together 3 better consecutive drafts ever? Aldridge, Roy, Oden, Rudy, Bayless in the last 3 drafts.
That’s our championship top 5 core. And at the SAME time KP was able to ship off bad contracts, bad characters, bad players,
and dead weight. Amazing work.
by douglast on Jun 26, 2008 11:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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So, we turned Jarret Jack, Josh McRoberts and the #13 into Jarryd Bayless and a a banger at the 4 who is a good changeup to LMA/Frye. Oh, and he’s on the last year of his deal too. That’s a MAJOR win. McRoberts would never crack our active roster. Jack’s minutes were gone the minute Rudy announced he’s coming. So, in addition to adding a top 5 talent in the draft, we opened up a roster spot AND got rid of a nice guy (Jack), who could potentially have been unhappy as the 11th man this year.
I see a TON of lineup possibilities. Bayless getting a lot of run on the 2nd unit to get in the lane and create scoring opportunities for himself and others. Rudy/Roy backcourt at times. Blake/Marty/Bayless all hug the 3 point line when we are playing the low post game with LMA and Oden. Small ball with bayless/rudy/roy/lma/oden. running team with Sergio/rudy/martel/outlaw/lma.
I love this roster. And the best thing is, we STILL have pretty much the same flexibility now we did before today. Deal this summer for a top SF? We got marty/frye/blake/outlaw/ike/rlec to offer for that. trade deadline deal? still have RLEC and 3 other expiring contracts—all of whom have good value. cap space summer 2009? we only have $30 million locked up. We can let the evaluations of Outlaw, Frye, and Martel extend on a little bit longer maybe.
I like the summer league backcourt of Bayless and Koponen. Bayless plays the 1 on defense and the 2 on offense, which is exactly how I see us using him with Roy/Rudy next year. Meanwhile, Koponen plays the 1 on offense, which is what we want t0 evaluate in him this summer, but he uses his bigger body to defend the 2.
So, has anyone put together 3 better consecutive drafts ever? Aldridge, Roy, Oden, Rudy, Bayless in the last 3 drafts. That’s our championship top 5 core. And at the SAME time KP was able to ship off bad contracts, bad characters, bad players, and dead weight. Amazing work.
by douglast on Jun 27, 2008 3:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a big fan of drafting a player who did not work out for you
I do like how we did not give up any of our bigger pieces.
President of the Petteri Koponen fan club.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 26, 2008 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no offense
but who cares if he didn’t work out for us. He was supposed to go way higher than 13 in the first place. In the second place, I think you really have to trust KP’s decision making. I certainly am not in the camp that worships the ground KP walks on, but when it comes to basketball decision making he has a PROVEN TRACK RECORD. He’s done his homework on Bayless, trust me.
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by mark twain on Jun 26, 2008 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure it's a huge issue
Derrick Rose didn’t work out for us either, but if we could have gotten him we would have. There might be an extra layer of security in having the guy for a private workout but if those were banned I’d bet most GM’s could still do a decent job.
Another way to look at it: apparently the guys who did work out for us weren’t that attractive…
—Dave
by Dave on Jun 26, 2008 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also apparently . . .
. . . us not working him out helped make him available at 11.
Talk here seems to infer that KP purposefully hid Blazer interest in Bayless and enhanced interest
in Westbrook and Augustin so as to drive Bayless’ stock down and make him available to us.
Dunno how true that IS, but it’s believable at least.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on Jun 28, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A rep for the Blazers saw him workout at the multi-team eval
that had most of the top players there.
They came away impressed.
Blazermania - It's not just for die-hards anymore.
by Blazerholic on Jun 27, 2008 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering
about lunch. KP has always talked how important the face-to-face is for him. On June 4, Joe Freeman quoted KP, “You have to meet a guy, you have to see what he does in this gym, you have to shake his hand, you have to talk to him, you have to go to lunch . Those kinds of things mean something to us.”
I’m sure Joe or someone will remember this and ask him about it. From the same article: “Pritchard would not confirm whether all “seven or eight” of his No. 13 targets have agreed to visit Portland but did say that the Blazers have had some draft prospects spurn invitations. ” One was Love, I assume Bayless was another.
I
by jorga on Jun 27, 2008 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
some people are hating on Bayless
but they are misguided. As you correctly pointed out Dave, we got him for nothing. We have taken not one single gamble. here. Jack played more of a “combo guard” position, as Bayless will. Except Bayless is freaking way better than Jack with WAY MORE UPSIDE… I’m stoked, and can’t wait to see what happens next. As far as everyone else we got, I really don’t think they’re significant at all right now. Maybe later, but right now this is all about Bayless. I’m sorry, BUT I’M SOOOOO GLAD JACK IS GONE.
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by mark twain on Jun 26, 2008 11:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I almost put in the analysis
“The only real loss for Portland is that their fans will have to find somebody else to blame when things don’t go our way now that Jack is gone” but I decided discretion was the better part of valor.
—Dave
by Dave on Jun 26, 2008 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said the same thing in the BE Dictionary thread a while back lol
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 26, 2008 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will now blame
hmmm… I think I’ll start blaming Martell!
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by mark twain on Jun 26, 2008 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year I enjoyed blaming Channing
When anything goes wrong just let out a long, loud “CHANNNIIIINNNNNNNNGGGG!”
"My, that is a handsome fella. He must be the offspring of a Greek God!" - Bill Walton calling a Clipper's-Laker's game as Luke Walton checks in.
by JTDuck22 on Jun 27, 2008 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
or you could say… “YOU ARE SO FRRRYYYEEEDDDD!!!!”
"Besides, I met a girl who loves basketball, blazers, and spurs. I'm sorry, you really can't dampen my mood right now :)" -ratbastird(after oden's surgery)
by nateinaloha on Jun 27, 2008 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was always so much easier
when we had Magloire. All of humanities problems could conveniently be attributed to Jamaalstar Magloirable and his cinder block hands.
by shralpster on Jun 27, 2008 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Magloire, too
my problem is that I worked three years at a school that had very strong Blazer ties. If a Blazer came to our school and was nice to our kids, I’m a fan forever.
by Section323 on Jun 27, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is a good subject for the next poll
to borrow a phrase, who will be next season’s fallback guy? Webster was already taking the heat before he handed off the mantle to Jack, so he’s not in the running. Smart money might be on Steve Blake, who will now be taking minutes from two golden boys! Personally, I’ll be directing all of my ire at Joel Freeland.
by abdelnaby on Jun 27, 2008 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diogu gets my vote
I haven’t been able to stand him since his days at Arizona State. Throw in the fact that he was way too good in NCAA ‘04 and you have your winner
by tingeyga on Jun 27, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another great netting on draft day by KP
I don’t even care about who’s coming and going all that much… seeing what KP did and how he did it is the real adventure.
YOINK!!!
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 26, 2008 11:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Quick question
Didn’t Omer Asik get traded to the Bulls for three future second rounders?
by premthegrem on Jun 26, 2008 11:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Haven't seen that one yet
If so, no biggie.
Did you get it from OLive or ESPN or the radio or where?
—Dave
by Dave on Jun 26, 2008 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.nba.com/blazers/news/Trail_Blazers_busy_again_on_dr-276212-1218.html
President of the Petteri Koponen fan club.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 26, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks,
I got bogged down by comp probs.
by premthegrem on Jun 26, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought too
That’s a crappy trade for the bulls, he might not even come here.
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 26, 2008 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Is Lafrentz on next year’s already-crowded roster?
by jtanzer on Jun 26, 2008 11:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yes
I think you mean RLEC
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by mark twain on Jun 26, 2008 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He’s no longer a human being. He’s a cyborg who preforms entertainment duties on the Blazer’s charted flights.
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 26, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we could edit
Chartered
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 26, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everytime Raef checks into a game, an angel gets its wings.
Trail Blazers are really cool
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jun 26, 2008 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
and yes indeed, It’s a Wonderful Life here in Blazer Country.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 26, 2008 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Excellent point, the player who has been reduced to his elimination value, known as RLEC.
If so, that makes something like 14 people:
PG Blake, Bayless, Rodriguez (+ Kopponen?)
SG Roy, Fernandez
SF Webster, Outlaw
PF Aldridge, Frye, Diogu, Lafrentz
C Oden, Przybilla
by jtanzer on Jun 26, 2008 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum wants to come here immediately though.
At least that was what was reported on espn. LOL, that could be the reverse of Rudy then!
by premthegrem on Jun 26, 2008 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chad Ford's quote:
“I spoke with Portland GM Kevin Pritchard tonight and he says he thinks Batum will actually sign with the Blazers this year.”
by spencerbutte on Jun 26, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'll be gone
by Feb All star break, book it
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by mark twain on Jun 26, 2008 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
roster less crowded than this year was
we have 13 guys, plus maybes in batum and koponen. and yes, that includes raef
by douglast on Jun 26, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless was #4 on KP's draft board
Read Mike Barrett’s new blog entry: http://mikebarrettsblog.blogspot.com/
Make no mistake, KP wanted Bayless all the way, he was even close to crying in an interview because he couldn’t take about it! He was that excited!
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jun 26, 2008 11:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mortimer sniffed this one out - well done
When I saw Mortimer’s post yesterday on the “trades made” discussion, it all started to fall into place for me. It is a good thing other execs weren’t on this board.
I do wonder a little if KP is really spinning things on the back-end a bit; he may very well have been the #4 talent, but he’s a tweener in the NBA. We’ll see whether KP and co. have a better insight into his future as a PG, or just figured he be an upgrade to JJ.
by hoopla-pdx on Jun 27, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay...
so two years ago it was Paxson and Ainge. Last year it was Ainge again (for his role in tanking the season). This year it’s Larry Bird and Daryl Morey.
What GM will get absolutely Pritch-slapped next year by KP?
I mean, he straight up bullied those guys. KP could be a master manipulator.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 26, 2008 11:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cunning Linguist ... Ha!
RipCity -- now, now ...
by Y5k on Jun 27, 2008 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds dirty!
Kudos
GO says " Sir, you fornicated vertically…observe the consequences!
by 92wastheyear on Jun 27, 2008 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND PAXSON COMES BACK FOR SECONDS!!!
A second round pick for… wait for it… 3 FUTURE 2ND ROUND PICKS? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
PSH! PSH! YOU’VE BEEN PRITCH-SLAPPED, PAXSON!
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 26, 2008 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but its been reported
that if Omer Asik comes over (which is highly unlikely), he would be a (the) top international prospect in this draft. (I know the tenses don’t make sense, please bear with me).
by premthegrem on Jun 26, 2008 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe so...
but it was widely considered an extremely week international field.
We traded 1 second rounder for 3… and look what we did with our 4 high picks in this draft.
The man is a genius.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 26, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude signed a 5 year deal.
He won’t be in the U.S. for awhile…
Blazermania - It's not just for die-hards anymore.
by Blazerholic on Jun 27, 2008 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draftexpress has him as #2 of the Internationals born in 86
Behind Nicola Pekovic who went on 30. And there were not that many of them drafted this year.
Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...
by Norsktroll on Jun 27, 2008 5:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bird and Morey got what they wanted, plus some - Petrie and Buford got done
Bird and Morey were able to trade down for value and still get the guys they wanted. It was Petrie and Buford who had the guys they wanted snatched out from under them. In both cases, their guys dropped and dropped until it looked like they’d actually get them, then the team one pick ahead of them, who had no interest in their player, took them for us.
by hoopla-pdx on Jun 27, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
any idea why bayless fell to 11?
Leaving this blank 'til I think of something funny
by Zaron5551 on Jun 26, 2008 11:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
smoke and mirrors apparantly
probably the dreaded label of “tweener”... For us though, a “tweener” that can defend the opposing point guard is perfect since BRoy will be running the point on offense a bulk of the time
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by mark twain on Jun 26, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, man...
all the dude ever wanted was his rug back, man.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 27, 2008 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
instead he had the ashes of his friend blown onto him
Leaving this blank 'til I think of something funny
by Zaron5551 on Jun 27, 2008 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunch of Nihilists man...
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Milwaukee took a point guard
one of them was going to go last. It wasn’t going to be Rose or Mayo, which meant either Augustin, Bayless, or Westbrook was going to be there. Not enough of the other teams needed a point guard.
—Dave
by Dave on Jun 27, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And which one ended up going last
was probably as much a matter of preference and team need as anything.
—Dave
by Dave on Jun 27, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless fell to 11 because:
1. Seattle bought into the Westbrook hype.
2. Charlotte bought into the DJ hype.
3. New York blew it.
Blazermania - It's not just for die-hards anymore.
by Blazerholic on Jun 27, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlotte drafted DJ to trade him
For what I don’t know.
Maybe Gallinarni doesn’t suck? Although I feel like people will start saying Dandildo any time now.
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are going to trade Felton instead.
Blazermania - It's not just for die-hards anymore.
by Blazerholic on Jun 27, 2008 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we want Felton too?
There was some discussion about him during and after the mock draft.
Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...
by Norsktroll on Jun 27, 2008 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh HECK no
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Jun 27, 2008 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Bill Simmons after hearing about Bayless trade
“Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speedbag.”
Perfectly said Bill, Perfectly said.
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jun 27, 2008 12:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
podcast or actual words on a blog?
if blog, link please!!! i’d love to read the actual words… :)
"Besides, I met a girl who loves basketball, blazers, and spurs. I'm sorry, you really can't dampen my mood right now :)" -ratbastird(after oden's surgery)
by nateinaloha on Jun 27, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Its from his draft diary: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080626
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jun 27, 2008 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This link no longer seems to work.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on Jun 27, 2008 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on Jun 27, 2008 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Thanks fellow bedger! I’d relive it. :) speedbag…hahaha
"Besides, I met a girl who loves basketball, blazers, and spurs. I'm sorry, you really can't dampen my mood right now :)" -ratbastird(after oden's surgery)
by nateinaloha on Jun 27, 2008 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it
Anytime the Blazers get mad props… But Bill sounded like he just conceded the next ten championships to KP and the Portland TrailBlazers!
Haha… KP’s made me mad with POWER!
(on a side note I now know how it feels to be jscot)
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jun 27, 2008 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahem...
I am NOT mad.
Carry on.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jun 27, 2008 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not mad=crazy
But filled with an intoxicating feeling of indestructibility.
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jun 27, 2008 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely what I was talking about
I am not mad=filled with an intoxicating feeling of indestructibility.
I am not mad=angry. No Blazer fan could be today.
Mad=crazy? I’d rather not discuss that part.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jun 27, 2008 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
he wasn’t pleased when we initially had Rush, either.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 27, 2008 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't forget this quote
‘They’re like the anti-Hornets—now that they know how to spend Paul Allen’s money, they’re unstoppable. Within about two more years, they’ll be acting like one of those obnoxious Monopoly competitors who has more money and property than everyone else, giggles every time you land on their hotels and says things like, “Here’s $200, will you roll the dice for me?” You can’t blame them, but at the same time, you want to punch them in the face. That’s where we’re headed.’
Awesome find. This article is hilarious all the way through.
by einman77 on Jun 27, 2008 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! More assets; minimal cost
I like this draft. Some great potential (Bayless and Batum) with almost no cost.
We still have too many combo guards, but we are free of Jarrett Jack. I was curious to see if McRoberts would ever develop, but we might need the roster space to sign Koponen and Fernandez (in addition to Bayless, Batum, and Diogu).
We didn’t get the “veteran presence,” but who knows what will happen between now and the trading deadline?
Hope we will be able to see what what people can do in the Summer League.
by vcubed on Jun 27, 2008 12:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Elated, yet..
sad about the CD-R negligence. I’d have much sooner taken a flyer on him than look for a Euro to trade for next year’s second-rounders, time crunch and all. Otherwise, loved it. Except for the whole Darrell thing.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Jun 27, 2008 12:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The second rounds picks from Bulls
Are actually pretty good picks:
Portland Trail Blazers for Denver’s 2009 regular second-round pick, the New York Knicks’ 2009 regular second-round pick (acquired from New York on Oct. 4, 2005 in the Eddy Curry trade), and Chicago’s 2010 regular second-round draft pick.
There is a good chance that the Nuggets and Knicks won’t make the playoffs next year, crazy good trade by KP.
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jun 27, 2008 12:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
some one please tell me how he does it???? he also gets no credit by the media…...espn
by Duck4Lif3 on Jun 27, 2008 12:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to make a shrine to KP
Whether or not it was due to Portland smokescreens over Westbrook, Alexander, and Augustin remains to be seen; however, I know without a doubt KP grabbed the best player to pick in the draft. We basically gave up a 2 spare parts and a draft pick for a player who was going as high as #4 as early as 3 days ago! I’m still shocked. Jarret Jack reached his ceiling as a backup/fringe starter in the NBA, we got a potentially all star caliber guard in exchange. Amazing. Catholic saints have done less to become canonized. In fact I think I will make KP a temporary Hindu deity, an incarnation of Krishna perhaps, I don’t have any such authority to do so but I’m numb, in a good way.
Remember all those trade talks that had us giving up Martell, Travis, and Frye or RLEC to get a prospect like Bayless? Losing 6mil in cap space and Martell for the 5th pick? Remember how that was a great deal? WE GAVE UP JACK AND FREAKING MCBOB. Pritchard must have given Larry Bird an atomic super wedgie to intimidate him into making that trade. I mean was that really the best offer he got for Bayless? Sure Jack and Brandon Rush are nice, but he gave up a potential allstar. My dad said “highway robbery, how’d he get away with that”. Look at me turning into Simmons including an extraneous comment by my father, I’m gushing, October cannot approach fast enough.
I think Bayless dropped because of
A. Team needs, as much as GMs tout BPA most of them don’t follow that rule on draft night (Darrel Arthur anyone?). Filling in that weak spot is the safe choice.
B. Connected to part A. GMs make the pick they decide on. I think most of them went in with the mindset, “I’m never going to get Bayless, so why even bother thinking about it”. When Bayless dropped that low, they still went with the pick THEY decided on. I think most humans work this way. “Sure this way is better but I’ve already decided on this option”. The herd mentality assists this, “If they don’t want him why should I? There is probably something we don’t know about him”
C. Gut instinct pick by Presti. Good GM but I think he decided at the last minute on Westbrook and grabbed him way too high. He should have traded down, I think he’s going to be kicking himself in a few years, he let his emotions get the best of him.
KP looks like a savant for getting the 27th pick from the Hornets. Darrel Arthur is completely redundant on our roster, but a real steal for 27. Packaging him with Dorsey (who will be a solid role player) for Batum is a little iffy for me. But even if Batum is a bust, it isn’t going to cost us anything, and we already have 2 solid options for that 3 spot. I could see him becoming a decent contributor in a few years. A long lanky defending small forward with high basketball IQ, isn’t that what we’ve always wanted? Arthur would likely want to play right away but won’t find minutes. Whereas we can afford to take on a project like Batum, who won’t complain if he doesn’t receive much playing time. Batum not playing much will still hold value because of his high potential (think Sergio) where Walker will likely degrade to the point of a throw in.
The second trade is defensible but debatable in my mind.
Mike Jones off our D league team? Well I guess he wanted a pick for the lulz, grabbing another 2nd rounder off the perpetual suckitude that is the Clips wasn’t bad. I remember Stuart Scott laughed as he said “The Clippers have had 1 winning season in…16 years”. A Quality Pie move, even if it was in the 2nd round.
The Asik move is great. A high second rounder from NYC and another high second rounder from Denver in 2009, plus the Chi 2010 pick. Lurves it. Asik might not even play in the US! If Chicago wanted a big man they should have drafted Beasley. EVEN if he is any good, I still feel like Greg will curbstomp him on the court.
My only fear is that KP will decline in 10 years or so when we need to be restocking, but I feel like Pritch keeps a great staff that helps him make all these balanced and thoughtful decisions, so it’s not as big of an issue. He’s a brilliant manager because he leaves a lot of his managing to his employees. I’m a fan of that mentality because an individual, no matter how talented he is, can make catastrophic mistakes, the likelihood of 10 or more committing the same mistake is significantly less.
So yeah. We should sent him a Thank You card from the BEdge.
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 12:28 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
send. It's too late and i'm too excited for next year. 08 worth the wait etc. Pardon my grammar : (
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the second trade may be misunderstood
I don’t think we ever had a shot at Arthur. My bet is that Houston was going to select him at 25 but we made it worth the risk that the Spurs would pass on Arthur by giving them the 33rd pick. If we didn’t offer 33 then Houston takes Arthur and Spurs take Batum and we are stuck with one of the other Euros.
-malarky
It was Arther at 24 and Batum at 25 or
Batum at 24 and Arther at 26.
(KP’s genius in this trade was slient but deadly, like in 2006 when he cut off the Roy to Huston for Foye trade by picking Foye at 7)
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jun 27, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhhhh
Now that makes a lot of sense now that you put it that way.
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have sources
But this makes sense all around.
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jun 27, 2008 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
Regarding Reason B, I think basically NY had a chance to make a big, cool move bringing on great talent (whoever) and shipping away garbage. Instead, they chose the player they “wanted” without assessing the full situation. Hats off to KP for not drafting his old college roommate’s son.
RipCity -- now, now ...
by Y5k on Jun 27, 2008 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also. This is totally OT but just...look

Awesome.
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 27, 2008 12:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Hey there, sweetheart!"
“Would you like to come back to my condo and check out my rookie card collection?”
“No?”
by DonkeyShins on Jun 27, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
james jones=(
i hope we sign him hes 1 of my favs. him and outlaw =( i would hate to see those guys go but i think we give webster 1 more season…....
by Duck4Lif3 on Jun 27, 2008 12:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
KP seems to be hinting that more moves
but I wonder if we should not take at least the Summer League and even up to the trade deadline to evaluate what we have. Remember Oden has not played in a whole year and despite his new brawny self (or because of it), he will take some time to actually learn the NBA game. And it will take a year or more until the Refs don’t whistle him for every little thing. Getting all these potentially fabulous parts to be a real team on the floor is a tremendous job for Nate.
I do not think that one can shortcut the evolution of this team by inserting 1 or 2 veterans at the expense of some of our core guys. Remember Chicago lost patience with their young team and traded off Chandler. But here they were in the lottery again. Martell, as I have said repeatedly, can get to all-star level some day. He should be a college senior this fall. He is still developing and I’d love to hear a report on how his ball handling and drives to the basket moves are coming along this summer.Blazers really improved Nate is saying "we really have a balanced roster " and I agree. Bayless is a real upgrade at guard. The 4th best player in the draft KP says. We have 4 PGs counting Koponen but this gives us time to develop him at D League if necessary. Ike Diogo adds muscle, hustle and hard work at F. Batum will (eventually) add depth at SF where we still have the eventual all-star Martell Webster.
We need to give the 5 new guys time to blend in. Yes there probably will be 5 new faces on the 15 man roster. Bayless can play some SG in Summer League while Koponen is the PG or they can switch roles during each game. We are more than 2 deep at every position basically all with quality young guys. Lets let these guys grow together. Year by Year they will go further in the playoffs. KP and fans just don’t get impatient and try to do something rash.
Blazers really improved Nate is saying "we really have a balanced roster " and I agree. Bayless is a real upgrade at guard. The 4th best player in the draft KP says. We have 4 PGs counting Koponen but this gives us time to develop him at D League if necessary. Ike Diogo adds muscle, hustle and hard work at F. Batum will (eventually) add depth at SF where we still have the eventual all-star Martell Webster.
by OrygunRod on Jun 27, 2008 12:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dave, I like the way you describe the Pritchard manuevers.
This reminds me a lot of the 2006 draft, when I posted about KP’s dealings on Blazer Thoughts. I wasn’t going to say anything that night, but I remember how Jorga and some of the others were down because they believed KP had gotten fleeced. I had to explain that giving up Kryapa to get Aldridge wasn’t a big deal. That we grabbed Foye when Minnesota tried to screw us out of Roy. It is a game of maneuvering, deflection, and misdirection. A few GMs can do it, but most don’t. They think they are getting the better of KP. Their egos don’t allow them to think otherwise.
The parallels are eerily similar. Giving up Jack to get Bayless won’t be a big deal. Indiana tried to leverage Bayless into something more, until KP leaked to Quick that we were doing a deal to get DJ, then they straightened up. Then we maneuvered around S.A. to get Batum.
KP is the hardest working GM in the league. And it shows.
Blazermania - It's not just for die-hards anymore.
by Blazerholic on Jun 27, 2008 12:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a different thing a little
even though it looked similar. I’m going to talk about this more on the podcast tomorrow. But that first draft was pretty much brute force and a lot of big spending. It was later justified by the play of Roy and Aldridge, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was bombastic and probably not sustainable as a regular practice. This draft was far more elegant. We didn’t spend a single dollar or asset more than we had to. We consolidated everything into three players and some assorted picks. This was surgery, not a bludgeoning. If you could obtain the assets you could do this every year and silently kill the league, as they’d never see you coming.
—Dave
by Dave on Jun 27, 2008 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it almost backfired.
KP hoped Charlotte would take DJ, but he wasn’t sure. Had they taken Bayless, we’d be talking about DJ instead of Bayless.
My source tells me some of my info is wrong. KP didn’t leak the DJ deal to Quick because of Indy, he did it so that Sacramento didn’t know we were after Bayless. If they did, they could have grabbed Rush at 12 and made a deal with Indy for Bayless, like we did to Houston in 2006 with Roy.
Blazermania - It's not just for die-hards anymore.
by Blazerholic on Jun 27, 2008 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe, but...
I’d be willing to bet that KP had a backup plan if Charlotte has taken Bayless. that plan either would have been the 13 + stuff for the 9 plus stuff.
Either that, or KP was happy to take whichever of bayless/DJ fell to 11
by douglast on Jun 27, 2008 4:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To put on my geeky D&D hat
2006 – K.P. the Barbarian
2008 – K.P. the Ninja
I played D&D in junior high…that was 25 years ago…I’m *really not that geeky now
by DonkeyShins on Jun 27, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops I'll have to edit this tomorrow when I'm awake
and no migraine. Tough getting these old fingers to work and with a mind like a shut steel trap.
by OrygunRod on Jun 27, 2008 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio...
With Blake probobly starting at least initially, and Rudy and Bayless playing virtually all of the reserve guard minutes (both needing to be developed), I can’t see there being any time for Sergio to play. I think its time to trade him for a future first round pick or the best value we can get.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jun 27, 2008 1:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
might as well let him hang around
He can stick around Portland and be Rudy’s buddy while he gets acclimated. We have a history of pairing up BFFs with more coveted players to ease the transition, after all.
by abdelnaby on Jun 27, 2008 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no rush on him
I’m still a believer in Serge, though my interest has waned a bit. I think the more pressing issue has temporarily moved to the 4 spot. Also, even though he is rated highly, Bayless hasn’t panned out either yet. Sergio takes up no room in the cap, is still highly valuable and still has the stuff you can’t teach. Bayless seems like a better fit undoubtedly, but both can ball yo. I’m sure if the right offer came along, Serge would be exponentially easier to pry away, however in my opinion keeping both of these seedlings until they become beautiful full grown flowers, or at least that they are well headed in that direction, wouldn’t be a bad thing.
by einman77 on Jun 27, 2008 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fit Sergio for a Warriors jersey.
He needs to play in a uptempo system and we need a backup pg.
by houseofprime on Jun 27, 2008 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio is toast
I can see the management and coach soured on him. Sergio just did not improve last year. I see him moved during the summer, maybe the Knicks.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Jun 27, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never ceases to amaze me
Is it because he just turned 22 and has been in the league for 2 full seasons now? Come on, he is a point guard from Spain, it’s gonna take time for this kid. Sergio isn’t going anywhere yet. You guys can write about it all season long (again) but I would be willing to bet that he has at least one more year on the roster, or at least until the trading deadline. Even if the management isn’t into him right now, on the priority scale he got knocked down a couple of pegs with the Martel and Frye contract situation. Sergio isn’t taking up any of the cap room, and he still has a world of potential. IF he goes, it will be in an effort to move someone else or bait a trade that we really want. He is not going to get moved just for the sake of moving him, especially now that Rudy is going to reside in the PNW.
Also, if you’re going to say Sergio will be gone, why don’t you use something other than the phrase ‘Sergio is toast’ so it doesn’t look like you’re saying the same thing that you or someone else has said over and over and over and over and…...
by einman77 on Jun 27, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The moves
Move #1: Jarrett Jack, Josh McRoberts, and Brandon Rush (Pick #13) to the Indiana Pacers for Ike Diogu and Jerryd Bayless (Pick #11).
Pacers didn’t need a PG in Bayless after their pickup of Ford. But Bayless was probably by far BPA. So they took him, and turned him into other assets. Jack still has significant upside in the eyes of many. Rush is ready to play now. McRob is an Indiana boy, with significant potential, but was never going to get a chance here. He’s cheap, if he doesn’t pan out it’s no big deal. This was Jarrett and the guy they wanted (Rush) for Bayless.
Not a great deal for the Pacers, but not bad. They got more value out of the #11 than they probably expected.
For us? Home run. Bayless is a great fit next to Roy. I doubt we’ll be spending huge amounts on a free agent PG next year. KP talked up other guys, and Bayless fell. If anyone had said two weeks ago we would get Bayless for #13, Jarrett, and McRob, I’d have laughed in your face. Diogu? He’s just there because there had to be a salary going the other direction. Human victory cigar, if he’s here by season start.
Assessment: Win/win. Good for both teams—but better for us. The world is not fair, and the rest of the league had better get used to that concept.
Move #2: Darrell Arthur (Pick #27) and Joey Dorsey (Pick #33) to the Houston Rockets for Nicolas Batum (Pick #25)
Rockets get two guys who can potentially contribute. Both could be nice role players, for them or for others, if they trade them.
We get Batum. A year ago, people around here were talking about him as possibly a top 10 pick, and a possible target for us to solve our SF issues. A year on, both Travis and Martell look a lot more like solutions to that problem, but we still have no definitive answers. We now have a third very high potential solution, at a cost of a high 2nd rounder and $3 million (what we paid for the #27).
Assessment: Win/win. Good for both teams. Perhaps better for Houston than for us, but still good for both teams. Time will tell.
One more factor: If Batum comes over immediately, and if Koponen comes over, we have an increasing marketing opportunity in Europe. And we have the opportunity to strengthen our profile with future European prospects. This kind of stuff can pay dividends down the road.
Move #3: Omer Asik drafted (Pick #36) (Update: and then traded to Chicago for three second-round picks.)
Chicago picks up a very talented potential prospect for three future picks which might have never made their team.
We drop a prospect today for future assets. Given our roster congestion, this makes sense. But we could have just stashed him. I’m not sure how we managed to get 3 second rounders for this, though. I would have thought two would have been enough, especially since I think one of them is a NY pick. Chicago must have really wanted this guy.
Assessment: Can’t tell. This guy could be a huge pickup for Chicago, and we may hate KP for giving him up for 3 2nd rounders. On the other hand, he may never come over, and we may turn those 2nd rounders into something really good. In our situation, with what we know today, it made a lot of sense. I’m not sure whether it did for Chicago or not.
Move #4: Mike Taylor (Pick #55) traded to the Los Angeles Clippers for a second-round pick in 2009.
Win/win. Clippers have an empty roster, need players. We have a full roster, so a future 2nd rounder is worth more to us. And the Clips 2nd rounder will be a lot higher than #55. Good for both teams, but probably better for us.
Another great draft day by KP.
Strengthened at our weakest position (PG), grabbed another project at SF who could be a star, helped the imbalance of the roster, protected our depth, kept our options open with our young talents, and even cleared the roster congestion so that Koponen, Freeland, and Batum can make their case for coming over.
Oh, and grabbed another tradeable piece in Diogu, who because of his contract is unlikely to stick for the entire year. And, stockpiled a bunch of future second round picks again.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jun 27, 2008 1:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
From Mike Barrett's blog...
it sounds like KP knew in advance of the draft that Indiana was going to take a PG…
I don’t know if that is just a genius’ intuition, or if he had already orchestrated a trade with them, and Larry Legend being an honorable man stuck to it even though they got an unexpected gift.
We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 27, 2008 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He knew already
Because he told Larry Legend to do it.. and get his trade on. Otherwise KP would bring McHale to Indiana and rub Larrys face in the Black Holes Armpit hair
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do these trades work?
If every person in the state of Indiana takes the time to yell at Larry Bird before July 1, can he tell us never mind?
by Section323 on Jun 27, 2008 1:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
IS it official?
can indian reject now?
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
Watch my brandon roy vid http://youtube.com/watch?v=RC3Byp4ID1E
by CroRupt on Jun 27, 2008 2:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Man
KP is the John McClane/Jack Handy/Paul Harvey of the NBA.
<-;-)
by tominhawaii on Jun 27, 2008 3:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha. Circular, man.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on Jun 27, 2008 4:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must be in a circle of one.
I wasn’t sold on Bayless to begin with, when he was rated as the 4th pick in the draft. And his falling to 11 didn’t do anything to improve my opinion. It will be interesting to see where he is compared to Jack in 2-3 years. For that matter, it will beinteresting to see who turns into the better NBA player, Bayless or Rush. I also can’t get excited about Ike Diogu. Someone convince me he’s an improvement over keeping McRoberts.
But as I trust in Pritchard, I am going to have to assume that Portland came away with a good draft.
by timg56 on Jun 27, 2008 6:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I had my hopes set on Bayless from the beginning and thought the blazers might be on him with the strange silence around him in the last week. Diogu is a pretty even swap with McRoberts. They both have unrealized potential but Diogu should be a better fit for us. He will be a nice change of pace from Frye and LMA of the bench. He is a great scorer in the paint and good rebounder. The real issue with him is that he is great defensively. He is like Zach-Lite without all the baggage.
by malarky on Jun 27, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the motor
not to beat a dead horse, but diogu crashes the boards, in the words of every draft analyst ever, “he has a great motor”. i watched mcroberts at duke for two seasons, he is the kid on your little league team who got stuck in left field cause all he could do was day dream. at the very least, diogu will have an impact on how hard we practice. the only effect mcbob would’ve had would be to play grab* with oden
by bluthbanana on Jun 27, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right
but the genius about this is that it almost doesn’t matter. If Bayless and his hybrid-guard scoring don’t work out we didn’t spend anything much to get him (Jack, McRoberts, and Rush wouldn’t have played much probably…though I would have liked to see him). Plus he’ll still have trade value. Given that we started with a #13 pick this draft is like one of those free $20 gambling coupons you get in Vegas…no risk whatsoever. If every single move bombs this team isn’t any farther behind. If we do come out ahead, we’re really happy people. That’s why I’m pretty proud of these moves…not because the ceiling on them is so high and will be fulfilled, but because the floor is also so high.
—Dave
by Dave on Jun 27, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am also reminding myself about how I felt
this time last year, when I heard about the Zach – Francis trade. I certainly didn’t have an immediately positive view of that. But after thinking on it for awhile, I concluded it wasn’t a bad trade. Maybe not a great one, but not bad. By the time we started playing games, I was thinking it was just another example of how far ahead of the curve Pritchard is.
I’m guessing the same thing happens here.
I’m also wishing I was back in Slovenia, which is where I was this time last year.
by timg56 on Jun 27, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Balancing the books
It’s not quite as good as suggested; we didn’t net 4 second rounders as Dave suggests because we gave up 3 seconds and McRoberts (another second, abeit a year earlier), so that aspect is completely a wash—subject, of course, to exactly what numbered picks they turn out to be.
This means we gave up Jack, a #13 pick, and $3 million for Bayless, Batoum, and Diogu. Whether this is truly a successful night depends entirely on whether Bayless turns out significantly better than Jack. Odds are he will, but its only odds at this point.
The two best things are (1) Pritchard nailed both first rounders by totally totally totally hanging two other teams out to dry - Kings and Spurs, respectively - by simply surrounding them with picks and pre-arranged deals; they didn’t even know what hit them until well after it happened; total genius; and (2) starting the night with only a #13 in the first round and getting what many draft scenarios pegged as the 4th best player.
In truth, after #1 and #2, and arguably #3, you could almost have thrown a blanket over skill and prospect levels for picks 4 through 11, and then the draft went into also-rans. So Pritchard got us from also-ran status to second-tier and it may turn out phenomenally well. It’s a replay of two years ago when he magically parlayed a #4 into a #2 plus (a minor bonus) the rookie of the year.
Conclusions: First, Pritch is a genius, but Second, the jury is totally out on how all of this will work out, so excitement over our prospects is in order but getting carried away with it is not.
by blazerwizard on Jun 27, 2008 7:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
AS mentioned in the side bar
Bayless was KP’s target the entire draft.
That being the case, he’s our man.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Jun 27, 2008 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Morning After Thoughts
Overall, I really like what the Blazers did last night, but I’ll nit-pick on one thing I’m reading here…
I hate it when people say we didn’t “lose” or “give up” Rush or Arthur because it was all confined within the draft night, they were never on our roster, and the opposing team was likely making that pick through us anyway. Of course we gave them up… if not the specific player, then at least the pick. It’s not nothing. I keep reading we only lost Jack and McRoberts for Bayless. That’s extremely misleading. No, we lost Jack, McRoberts, and a LOTTERY PICK (Rush or otherwise). The Rush and Arthur picks were assets, they had value, and to say we didn’t give up anything there because they were never on our roster is just dumb. Saying we traded Rush and Arthur by name might be just as dumb (the other teams were probably in KP’s ear telling him who to take, after all), but picks have value, especially lottery picks, and ignoring the inherent value of the picks in general, to take whomever, is misguided.
With that said, my grades…
Jack, McRoberts, #13 pick for Bayless and Diogu: A. Jack was never going to be a long term starting PG or SG for this team, and McBob was never going to be anything for this team. On the other hand, by this time next year Bayless could be one-half of an awesome starting backcourt with Roy, and Diogu could be the bruiser we need to come off the bench and get 10 minutes, 5 rebounds, and 3 fouls.
Picks #27 and #33 for Batum: C. This one for me as actually an “incomplete” grade right now. If you want to compare him with someone who was still available like, say, Darrell Arthur, I’d say Batum is currently at a lower level than Arthur but has the potential in a few years to be at a higher level than Arthur. So, wait and see for me. He could be like an Outlaw, actually… spend his first couple years not doing much but getting experience and learning, and then all of a sudden three years from now he explodes into a regular and important player.
Asik for three future 2nd round picks: A. No brainer. He’s not going to get any minutes here, and who knows, maybe KP can somehow package three 2nd round picks into one 1st round pick, and voila. Good trade regardless.
Tayler for a 2nd rounder: B. Who for what? This was always a nothing pick, and the future pick we got in return will most likely be the same.
Overall grade: B+.
by Jack Acid on Jun 27, 2008 8:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
during the workouts
Nate’s response was a very low key “eh… he wants to come over right now and he’s a long term project.”
Two things… Nate REALLY doesn’t want another project, or it’s another smoke screen because the blazers were drooling over this guy.
Also… if San Antonio wanted him… he’s a good choice. that’s two smart teams going for the guy. If Darrell Arthur were all that, San Antonio would have drafted him. Remember that’s where KP learned his stuff. We got the steal.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Jun 27, 2008 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how you look at it
Trading a lottery pick for a lottery pick pretty much equals out. If you look at the specific trade of course we traded Rush, but if you look at the whole process we were going to come out of this draft with one lottery pick, which is exactly what we came out with. We did not gain or lose anything. So in the aggregate we only lost Jack and McRoberts from what we had before. We gained Bayless, Diogu, and Batum (instead of Rush, Arthur, etc.).
—Dave
by Dave on Jun 27, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Logic?
Lost Jack and McBob and gained Bayless, Diogu, and Batum? If you’re not going to include the draft picks in what we lost, you can’t then include Bayless and Batum in what we gained. So, by your own logic, we lost Jack and McBob and gained Diogu.
by Jack Acid on Jun 27, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But..
We KEPT them, so they count as something we gained. The others that we drafted were either turned into those 2 players, or into future picks. We never had them with the intention of keeping them, so saying we ‘lost’ them implies we were planning on keeping them.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jun 27, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah...
But we still had those picks, and to not even acknowledge that we “lost” those picks is wrong. Here is the actual text in Dave’s original post…
Here’s the practical version:
The Blazers netted Bayless, Diogu, Batum and four second-rounders and only gave up Jarrett Jack and Josh McRoberts.
That’s just completely flat-out misleading and inaccuarte. The practical bottom-line, in reality, is: “The Blazers netted Bayless, Diogu, Batum, and four second-rounders and gave up Jack, McRoberts, two first-rounders and three second-rounders.” Semantics maybe, but you can’t include the picks we received and ignore the picks we gave up. Still, overall, a very good draft day for the Blazers.
by Jack Acid on Jun 27, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(sigh)
I don’t know why I’m doing this, but since it seems to be so important…
If you have a coupon redeemable for one free candy bar, but then as you’re standing in line you trade with your buddy to get his free candy bar instead of yours, you did not lose a candy bar anywhere in that equation. For one thing you never had the candy bar in hand. For another, candy bar = candy bar.
If you traded your buddy your coupon plus a quarter for his coupon, then you lost a quarter overall. You still have a candy bar. You were never going to walk out with two candy bars, nor were you going to walk out of there with a coupon. You did not cost yourself either a candy bar or a coupon by making the trade, just the extra quarter.
It can be just as misleading to say it the other way, as if we actually had the player and traded him. For instance, if Indiana wanted Rush then in the normal course of things they would have taken him, Sacramento would have taken Bayless, and that would be that. Portland would not have gotten Rush. Portland could not get Rush. The only way we ended up drafting him was by making the deal beforehand so Indiana wouldn’t pick him. Saying we “lost” Rush would make people think we could have suited him up instead, which is probably not true.
In general, if you’re talking one, specific move in isolation you have to include all of the players, so as to not make people think Indiana traded you Bayless and Diogu for just Jack and McRoberts. But when you’re talking about assets gained and lost from the day before the draft to the day after it’s perfectly acceptable and accurate to say we gained Jerryd Bayless, Ike Diogu, Nicolas Batum, and a second-rounder and only lost Jarrett Jack and Josh McRoberts.
—Dave
by Dave on Jun 27, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
I am not saying you are wrong, per se, just that it is possible to describe things in terms other than you have and still be fair and accurate.
—Dave
by Dave on Jun 27, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This draft
Wow.
I have to admit I have a few doubts about bayless, but he’s a DEFINITE steal and KP had targeted this guy. KP KNEW the entire draft down to number 15 and nailed it in his mock.
We now have our PG of the future (barring a secondary trade for Harris or someone because I never underestimate KP), and the only question marks are:
1.) How is the SF position going to shake out? I like Webster… but I don’t know how much time outlaw will have if we keep him. I suppose we’ll see.
2.) We have SOOO much talent, do we need to thin things out a little more? I see us heavy with Frye (love the guy) and a little heavy with the guard positions if Finland comes over. I haven’t heard anything about Finland which makes me suspicious about KP actually being done this summer. If we were trading him we’d be talking him up and with Rudy/Roy/Blake/Bayless at the guard position, that would make sense.
Bayless is definitely better and with more potential than finland, but I thought Finland would be a better fit for the blazers.
3.) Does this mean we’ll have to wait an extra year for a ring? I thought it would be two years but I think Bayless may push it out to three. I also think he makes sure that we are an uninterrupted dynasty. I hope he’s hungry for some revenge on every team that passed him up. (although one could argue that it’s all KP’s fault and Bayless has a right to punch him for cheating him out of the cash of a 4th rounder…)
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Jun 27, 2008 8:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Passing him up"
Interesting to see so many long faces and the picks and their families as they were passed up. Most of these guys are instantly millionaires regardless of their pick order. They’re in the first round. Yeah, it’s nice to be #4 and not #13, but really, I think joy would outweigh disappointment. Somebody’s kid brother was there with his head on the table. Looked like he was gonna cry. Come on kid! At worst you just got free b-ball tickets until your 18th b-day.
RipCity -- now, now ...
by Y5k on Jun 27, 2008 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When its not your money
3 or 4 millions dollars doesn’t have the same ring does it?? But if you lost it…
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jun 27, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw and Webster will be the small forwards.
One will start, and the other will be on the second unit.
Which player is with which lineup is a small detail to sort out.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on Jun 28, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couple of comments
I´m no expert but what the scouts say is that Bayless is great off the ball. So he doesn´t need tha ball to be productive. He´s not a good point guard on the half court but that´s not a problem for us.
He fell on the draft because he needs to be in the right situation to be successful and I believe that we have it here in portland.
The Batum pick aims at perimeter defense. He has lock down potential. We didn~t need arthur, we have LMA and Frye.
by Falcao on Jun 27, 2008 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My Thoughts
KP is a genius. I have been worried about how we were going to get a PG update without giving up Travis, Martell or Frye and some of our cap flexibility. With this draft he cleared some of our roster crunch and picked up the PG upgrade we needed all while keeping all of our cap room for next year. I expect we are done for the summer unless we can get a big upgrade at SF for Raef and change. We will have until at least the trading deadline to see what we have at SF and PG. If the guys we already have blow up we can stand pat but if we are still not sure we can go and get a max contract type player.
by malarky on Jun 27, 2008 9:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and more draft picks
and don’ t forget he got more future draft picks. which at the very least means more of these crazy fun draft nights, even if we don’t end up getting much usefulness out of them
by bluthbanana on Jun 27, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Batum staying in France?
“Unlike many European players in this year’s draft, Batum is expected to sign with the Blazers and will be with the team at the start of the 2008-09 season. “-NBA.com
I heard he was going to stay in France, but wouldn’t he be better off in the D-league? I’m not sure how tough the French league is.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on Jun 27, 2008 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He plays in the Euroleague
When NBA teams go to Europe in pre-season and get beat, they play Euroleague teams. Hence Euroleague is better than the D-league (or the Miami Heat of last year).
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jun 27, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After the smoke clears
Blazerwizard puts the draft in perspective. Yes, as Dave said, KP showed masterful subtly in this draft, probably outmaneuvering both Sacramento and San Antonio for desired picks. Yes, Pritchard was like a magician. You think you have an idea what he’s going to do, then-puff of smoke & presto-change-o-Rush/Jack/McRoberts turn into Bayless/Diogu. And not just once, but a second time-puff of smoke & presto-change-o-Arthur/Dorsey turn into Batum. That sweet music we Blazer fans hear in the background? It is not gears of the Blazer Draft Machine grinding, it is, indeed, the sound of gnashing teeth emanating from GM mouths south of Portland. Yes, it was a wonderful show. However, in the immediate future, after the smoke clears and the music of other’s anguish dies, it essentially reduces to this: The Blazers got Bayless for Jack. (Batum and the four second rounders are later.)
We knew Jack and his limitations-metal lapses, ball handing mistakes and average defensive skills-and we’re happy to part with them, but Bayless is potential; he’s the dream we’ve yet to actually date. It’s easy to exaggerate his virtues and ignore his limitations.
Here’s why Bayless is questions: he’s nineteen; he played only half a season as point guard at Arizona; his assist-to-turnover is a bad 1.33 (By comparison, Jack, who is virtually identical to Bayless in height and weight, had an A/TO ration of 1.75 in 2007-08 and Sergio, who is also 6’3” tall, had an A/TO ratio of 2.86 in his first year and 2.3 last year.); he has not been a good defender; McMillan has little patience with sloppy ball-handling and poor defense.
He’s what DraftExpress says about Bayless’s defense on 26 March:
"Bayless did not make up for his lack of aggression offensively with his play on the other end of the floor
unfortunately. He struggled to fight through screens on numerous occasions, giving his matchup plenty of time
to set his feet and get a clean shot off. When he was defending players head on, his lack of length, height and
energy was clearly a poor mix in terms of contesting shots."
--http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jerryd-Bayless-1067
If Bayless works hard on point guard skills, if he can learn to be a better defender, if he can stand to do a lot of sitting during the regular season, if Rodriguez continues to stagnate ahead of him, and if McMillan can abide his rookie mistakes, then Bayless may indeed turn out to be a significant upgrade over Jack.
But so far, I’m not sure.
by Trutherlizer on Jun 27, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whether
bayless turns out to be a significant upgrade over jack has yet to be seen, but according to this mix tape from the mcdonalds all-american game, he is a human highlight reel.
by joelor on Jun 27, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that such tapes
are designed to make guys look like a human highlight reel?
If games were scored by how many highlight plays each team pulled off, then these youtube videos might actually mean something.
by timg56 on Jun 27, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Highlights by their very nature are unrepresentative. Try finding missed shots, bad passes, lazy defense or failure to box out on rebounds in a highlight video of any featured player.
by Trutherlizer on Jun 27, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diogu
Anyone else think that Ike sounds a bit like Brian Grant (sans dreads & rasta tats)? He could be an interesting sparkplug off the bench if we’re needing banging…
by DonkeyShins on Jun 27, 2008 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Zach Randolph to me
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jun 27, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
'20-10'
Put up 20 and 10, diogu did too; at asu like five years ago. diogu is hustle. z-bo was like having a magnet in the ball and one in the hoop. And some on his arms and hips/feet and floor when he was on d.
by ChadFord on Jun 27, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hustle
That’s what makes me think of Grant. The guy threw himself around the court – very junkyard dog (but in a good way). Maybe Randolph when he was raw & hungry, but not 2008 Randolph.
by DonkeyShins on Jun 27, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope diogu doesn't love 14ft shots
Z-bo against the Mavs in the playoffs in 03 was scrapster hustle-style. Off. Rebounds and lay-ins. Then he went to the Sheed school of jumpshots and fadeaways and endless Iso plays. Someone told Brian Grant to take as many ugly 15 footers as possible. Its part of what cost us game 7 against minneapolis. Seeme like forever ago. The whole game is on youtube though. If we win that one we beat the 76ers and trader bob would still be running the show.
by ChadFord on Jun 27, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then thank Dog!
That we lost that game. Think of it as a down payment on future championships.
by DonkeyShins on Jun 27, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd go with Gary Trent.
Might be a good subject for a POLL:
“What former Blazer does Ike Diogu most remind you of?”
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on Jun 28, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone mentioned that Bayless average over 7 FTA
He shot 84% from the line. The guy takes it to the hoop and not afraid of contact. This is exactly the time of guard we are looking for. He gets to the hoop and draws fouls and also hits outside shots, 40.7% from behind the line.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Jun 27, 2008 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Definately
Goes hard and will throw his body in there like jack. Better shooter though, better scorer and i think he will really like not having to be a full time PG with Roy there. He does quite well off the ball.
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 27, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And putting opposing players into foul trouble is totally underrated.
It’s not just getting to the line; it’s getting the Shaqs, Odoms and Bowens of the league onto the bench.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on Jun 28, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY
Indian has been pritch slapped Larry bird tell me how my * taste hahaha heard that on the radio laughed for five minutes
by BLAZERS#52 on Jun 29, 2008 7:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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