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Pre-Draft Talk: Rumors and Ideas

As I thought about it, I figured it would be easier to split the pre-draft talk by topic.  So this thread, open until the draft begins at 4:00 PM Pacific today, is for discussing all draft rumors and ideas.  Have at it in the comment section below.

Please keep draft rumor and idea talk here for today so as to not create 92 duplicating posts' worth of chaos in the Fanpost Sidebar.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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oh sure...

you decide that AFTER 104 comments. Trying to pump up the draft commentary there? tsk tsk… there was really no need you know. I bet we’ll break 1600 with KP going crazy with moves that we won’t understand until WEEKS down the road.

Should be fun.

Also, I predict we trade with NY and then snag rose. We’ll try to keep the #6 but may need to give it up in the deal.

Comeon blazer jersey!!!

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 9:32 AM PDT   0 recs

I'd also like to point out

that I’m the ONLY one who has stated we’re snagging Rose. I think that deserves a bowl of ice cream out of you in Vegas when I’m proven right.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 9:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Um....

Well, there were at least two other people who predicted that in the official prediction thread. It was quite a long thread, so they probably got buried in there.

But I do hope you’re right. In fact, I will buy you that ice cream if you are!

by kennetha on Jun 26, 2008 9:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Awesome!!!

Really?

I must have missed them somehow. I must go back now and search!!!

Dang it all, i was going for the original “that’s NOT happening and no one playing it smart would predict it to happen” move. ah well.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 9:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was one of them

but I don’t want to go find it.

"My, that is a handsome fella. He must be the offspring of a Greek God!" - Bill Walton calling a Clipper's-Laker's game as Luke Walton checks in.

by JTDuck22 on Jun 26, 2008 9:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I just went to attempt to find

and I did not.

I tossed in the NY deal that will make it happen just to be safe.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 10:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Here was my "official" prediction:

I’m sticking with my (hopeful) vision:

Chicago has Heinrich so they allow KP to wrestle away Rose and the #1 spot. What does KP have to give up to get it? I’m going with #13, Travis and Rudy. Of course with the #1 pick KP selects Rose.

This isn’t my official prediction but we might have to give up #13, LMA and change to get at Rose.

Happy daze … we’ll now have the best point guard in the league for the next dozen years.

by TwoDeep on Jun 20, 2008 9:29 AM PDT reply reply

I think I’m a little more realistic than you though, conceding we might have to give up Rudy and T-Law or maybe even LMA to have a chance at Rose.

But from what we’re reading so far, this doesn’t look be playing out :(

As I posted below, we probably have a better chance snagging Beasley from the Heat.

by TwoDeep on Jun 26, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Now that you mention it

I remember that.

I like Rose, but not that much and I disagreed with it (if not in the post then in my head).

You’re right in that I think we’d have to go through a number of other teams, but I don’t think we’re giving up the core.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 12:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Two deep...how wrong you are.

Rose is hyped. KP knows this….....his target is a veteran

Say it with me….Chauncey Billups

by BroyTheTruth on Jun 26, 2008 2:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you betcha,

I’ll say it with you…...Chauncey Billups!!!!!

problem is I heard he was going to GS with Sheed for Baron, ect.

by monkeybones on Jun 26, 2008 2:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That and I heard we were going for Harris

I like harris better.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 3:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You got it

But in fairness to the other two guys, I think I’ll owe them ice cream too. Three scoops for the guy who was first, two for second. Sadly, you’ll only get one ;(

by kennetha on Jun 26, 2008 10:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll be happy to split that bill

hell, I’ll buy them a car if we get Rose (note: this may not be a very nice car or even a real car, but it will be interpreted as a car)

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jun 26, 2008 10:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

KP's trading out of the draft for Mortimer's man crush in NJ

3-Ring Binder It!

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by tominhawaii on Jun 26, 2008 9:42 AM PDT   0 recs

Maybe KP

Thinks that I am KP also, and has adopted my Devin Harris love.

DRAFT DAY, WHAT WHAT.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 26, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

jscot said you're Quick the milk chocolate rabbit

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by tominhawaii on Jun 26, 2008 10:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's how

Quick gets all his inside info.

KP is actually not even a person. He’s a robot, with a supercomputer brain.

Mortimer/Quick is the guy who pushes the buttons based on the computer readouts.

This is why KP/Mortimer/Quick own the rest of the GMs. First, more rapid access and organization of info. Second, misdirection in the media due to the Quick connection.

Me? I’m Paul Allen’s brain. This is why T Darkstar can’t be financial secretary when I take over the world. Too much stuff I don’t want to reveal.

Nate is really tominhawaii. They both have a man crush on Jarrett.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jun 26, 2008 11:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think I'm Bill Bayno now

Because he lives in LA to coach Loyola, and he digs black chicks.

Quick uses hair gel, I do not, and he has cats meowing in the background sometimes during his Quick chats, and while I have had cats that I love I do not currently own one. Thus, I am not Quick.

Ever since I shook KP’s hand, I hopefully infected him with the love and admiration of one Devin Harris. This was just a lil’ before he became the official GM, and I like to think my handshake and asking him to please stay in Portland did the trick.

If I’m not KP, I am at least responsible for everything he has ever done that is good.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 26, 2008 11:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I still think I'm Chad Ford

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by tominhawaii on Jun 26, 2008 6:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Are the Knicks really dumb enough

To send us their only tradable asset AND their #6 pick for two first round picks that mean nothing plus an average PG just to get rid of a contract in the faint hopes they land LeBron in a couple years?

I say YES!

by AndrewD on Jun 26, 2008 9:48 AM PDT   1 recs

Yes

because you’re talking about Stephen and a buy out too. this helps relieve cap space and with that trade the blazers move up get rose and don’t need to worry about free agents because our team will be 100% set.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 10:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

might be another player, but i'm betting Stephen.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 10:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Really...

the question becomes… is Rose really worth it?

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 10:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Getting Rose would be

worth most any sacrifice, save Roy or Oden.

by TwoDeep on Jun 26, 2008 11:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not entirely sold on that

Even if he were chris paul reborn before he died, I’d still keep Aldridge as well.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 12:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

KP targeting

I’ve seen in some of the commentary about getting the 10th pick that the pick would allow us to snag whichever of Westbrook, Augustine or Bayless is still available at that pick (see TrueHoop, for example). This doesn’t ring true to me, for the following reason. KP has a stated philosophy of targeting the player they want, then doing what it takes to get that player. I don’t see him thinking, ‘whichever is still there is the one we want’. He may be forced to take whoever is left, if no deals are available. But if there is a targeted player in the draft, then there is a single targeted player, and hoping that he falls to number 10 is not the plan. Folks say that it is actually Augustine that is being targeted, but I don’t believe that is based on actual knowledge of the inside scoop. Fact is, we don’t know exactly who is being targeted, that is not public knowledge. Could be Bayless for all we know. If another team knew that, they’d do what we did in the Foye-Roy trade—disrupt someone else’s plan, take the desired player and force a trade. All that I can say for sure is that we’re not taking 5 players away from the draft this year, so something’s got to give. But it won’t be sitting and waiting for a consolation prize in case our guy gets away.

by BrailleTaser on Jun 26, 2008 9:59 AM PDT   0 recs

Agreed

10 is probably too low for what we want anyway. Even if I’m off base with Rose, I see us moving up to 5th to really get what we want.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 10:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know about that

What’s to say KP hasn’t looked at 3 guys and said, “Wow. These three guys all fit the team, help us in places we could use help, and just would be really nice. I’d prefer guy #1 if he’s available, but any of the three will strengthen us.” Say Westbrook, Augustin, and Alexander (I can’t believe Bayless will slip that far).

He can be pretty sure that one of them will be there at 10.

You can’t go into it targeting just one player unless you have the #1 pick.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jun 26, 2008 10:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yes but

I think KP DOES have the plan B’s in place, but I believe that we’ll be moving further up than 10. that’s pretty low and i’m not convinced ANY of those guys are there at 10.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 10:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Could be

But if none of the guys he wants are there at #10, he may just not do the deal and pick Rush at #13. Could happen now that Jones has opted out.

I agree, a further trade up is very possible. In fact, likely. But then, KP always surprises me. The only thing that will really surprise me is if he doesn’t surprise me.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jun 26, 2008 10:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that's true

heck, I’ll honestly be shocked if we actually get Rose.

I suppose the only way he’d shock me is if we did nothing.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a contingency plan

We won’t make the deal for 10 (nor will NJ), until after the #9 pick has been made. At that point, if the guy KP is targeting is there, we pull the trigger and get our guy. If he’s not, we don’t.

I’m sure we are trying to develop other options as well – like the option of moving up to #6 to get a guy we are targeting. Again, we wouldn’t actually execute the deal until we know our guy is there.

I think KPs plan is to get as many possible trades on the table as possible, then pull the trigger on the one(s) that get us the guys he is targetting (either in the draft or through trade). But like you said, he’s not going to pull the trigger early.

by douglast on Jun 26, 2008 10:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Paul Allen agrees to buy the NBA Draft outright

In a bold and rather stunning move, Paul Allen has agreed in principle to buy the entire NBA draft. He was quoted as saying, “We smoke you guys every year, so why let anyone take a chance on getting hurt feelings and then having to hear you losers whining in the team meetings every year.” Terms of the deal were unavailable at press time, but it was widely believed that the deal was similar to when Russia sold Alaska to the US for beaver pelts and several tins of canned sturgeon.

by ralphzillo on Jun 26, 2008 10:11 AM PDT   1 recs

Haha, KP is good at SPAM

Our Summer League team will dominate!

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jun 26, 2008 12:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How about the leverage of Portland having THREE FIRST ROUND PICKS? to move up...

I just read that Houston’s #25 pick is up for grabs (like two early 2nd rounders). Check out this link:

“-Houston may trade out of the first round, according to reports we received from a team drafting in the 20’s. If Courtney Lee is not available at their pick (25), they may trade down with Minnesota and acquire the #31 and #34 picks. They are also talking with other teams.” – Draftexpress.com

250-PM-EST-2950/” target=”_blank”>http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Draft-Day-Rumblings-250-PM-EST-2950/

How tantalizing would those three picks be to move up, or do the 2nd rounders hold a different value for teams who want to build an international prospect pipeline like Portland, San Antonio and others?

by Portland Dynasty on Jun 26, 2008 12:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 10:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Love? We all want love but who wants Love?

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jun 26, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Minnesota

We’ll trade 5 for 3 and get Mayo

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jun 26, 2008 11:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I could live with that

After all, I did say that Mayo was the best player in the draft. If I believe that I can’t really turn him down!

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 11:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh yeah

I forgot about Malik Rose… WE might be buying him and then waiving.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 10:14 AM PDT   0 recs

He is on the block

But I just do not see it happening. We would need to send one of the big 3 for him, or get rid of our bench to get him…. and that is not happening

by tmac16550 on Jun 26, 2008 2:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll pass

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 3:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sounds Like Smoke - at least on Love

And earlier, Chad reported the Net/Blazer #10 for Jack, our #13 and the #33. In this case he said we wanted Augustin, now, he says we want Westbrook. And where does Love come into any of this? Why go to #5 to get a PF who can only play behind Aldridge? You don’t draft at #5 for a backup – you draft for starters. And on the Blazers, Love is a backup. C’mon Chad – that sounds like a lot of the smoke that’s been floating around for a few days.

by Eben Calder on Jun 26, 2008 10:20 AM PDT   0 recs

AGreed

Seriously… this year is a LOT more fun than last year.

I’m going to laugh hysterically if the blazers do nothing. I’m definitely enjoying the suspense though.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 10:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm going to laugh gleefully if we do nothing

It means we’re getting the pieces for a trade on July 1, when Harris is no longer BYC.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jun 26, 2008 10:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You mean July 9

There is a one week moratorium, at least that was the explanation given on when the O’Neal – Ford deal will go through. Waiting so long without seeing anything would be hard, at least I want to hear a solid “rumor” this evening during the draft broadcast.

Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Jun 26, 2008 10:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually

I really did mean July 1, not July 9. But that is just because I was ignorant, uninformed, and wrong.

Thanks for the info.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jun 26, 2008 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh man

the suspense will last even longer???

They is killing me!!!

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 11:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

KP's new draft strategy

I read somewhere that KP’s new strategy has to do with the taste of the player’s butt. Since Shaq’s rap on Kobe, KP decided it was best to turn the other cheek and draft the BBA.

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by tominhawaii on Jun 26, 2008 10:26 AM PDT   0 recs

My final thoughts

Since I whiffed on the Calderon move, I thought that I would take one last stab at this before I go to work. I’ll be listening, but will not be near a computer until this is all over.

3 team trade:
Trade #1
NJ gets Jack, #13, #33 and McBob from Portland.
Houston gets Webster from Portland and Hassell from NJ.
Portland gets Battier from Houston and the #10 from NJ.

NJ has long been rumored for Jack and they get #13 and #33 just as reported.
Houston gets a young offensive player and a very good defender.
Portland gets a great defensive vet and the #10 pick.

Trade #2
Portland trades #10 RLEC for Cardinal, Collins and #5 from Memphis.

It’s just as reported, but Portland sweetened the pot and got #10 instead of #13.

Portland drafts Bayless at #5.

There that felt good. Portland ends up with a great SF, a fantasic guard to play next to Roy, a expiring contract and a decent PF/SF on the bench.

27 will be used with the second round picks to move up and get Koufos at #18.

Oden/Pryzbilla/Collins
LMA/Frye/Koufos
Battier/Outlaw/Cardinal
Roy/Fernandez
Blake/Bayless/Surgio

by parkinglotj on Jun 26, 2008 10:33 AM PDT   0 recs

Interesting stuff

I think Houston wants a little more for Battier, but it’s fairly reasonable.

It’s trade #2 that makes no sense to me. Tons of sense for us, none for Memphis. Perhaps we’ll need to give them the #27 as well. I could live with that.

In general, this scenario is workable and would be really nice for us. Leaves a roster spot for Koponen, who goes to Idaho. Next year, he and Sergio have a battle royal for the #3 spot, which turns into #2 ahead of Blake the following year.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jun 26, 2008 10:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One other thought

If we get to #5, we may not stop there, either. Minnesota likes Love, who they could get at #5. If KP likes Mayo and manages to get #5, he may be on the phone to McHale.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jun 26, 2008 10:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope so

I love me some Mayo, just like Undercover Borther when he gets involved with the White-shedevil

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jun 26, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and then... why stop there?

When we could keep moving up and snag rose with mayo and parts?

If Rose is as good as everyone but me think he is, then it makes sense to do that.

although, i think miami takes mayo.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would imagine Bayless would start

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 26, 2008 11:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How much do we value Outlaw?

Chad Ford is throwing around a rumor that the Blazers are thinking of moving up to take Memphis’ #5 pick in a package that could include Outlaw. Thoughts?

by WitnessOden on Jun 26, 2008 10:44 AM PDT   0 recs

Bad idea

RipCity -- now, now ...

by Y5k on Jun 26, 2008 10:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He gets closer to home

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jun 26, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not terribly sold

I only want a better PG and to thin out the ranks a little. I’d rather give away frye from an analytical stand point than I would outlaw. If it’s true, that means we keep webster, right? Because I like him as our SF.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 11:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

63% of B-edgers prefer Outlaw over Martell...

Check out this post and vote if you haven’t yet:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/6/25/559084/one-final-vote-outlaw-vs-w

2 of every 3 Blazers Edgers are leaning toward the sixth-man Outlaw, regardless of whether or not I agree, that is a pretty good majority so far. Is it time for our draft party to be united? Does that mean our pain threshold for trading Martell is now much more palatable? Or, is there any rookies in this draft (aside from Rose) to let these two rising forward stars go?

I think, due to the minute crunch down the road, that it would be best to leverage one as they are the best tradeable assets we have. Does Martell want to be the MAN for his team? How much better/more consistent can Outlaw become? Will Channing Frye’s work on his deep shooting make up for the loss of a Martell (if it happens) or losing backup shooting specialist James Jones?

I guess we’ll find out.

by Portland Dynasty on Jun 26, 2008 12:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would feel so much better about Outlaw

If he ever even showed a GLIMPSE of being able to play team defense or team offense. I love the kid, don’t wanna trade him, and he is cheap as hell. But, he still just scored 13 ppg as the main option on offense when he was in, and did nothing else. Martell scored 10ppg as the 3rd/4th option on offense, and played pretty good (and still improving) defense and played within himself with the more talented starters.

Outlaw just hasn’t shown any of us he is a starter, besides having a great body and some very exciting plays. He COULD learn how to play with others better, but I’d wanna see it before we force him to have to start.

Of course, Webster’s contract stuff and his value are tempting to make him be moved. I’d be okay losing either for the right deal.

I might be in the minority, but Webster is already a more complete player AND is he younger. Outlaw is really one-dimensional.

And both are best friends with Roy, according to the Quick BFF list. I wouldn’t necessarily use Outlaw’s friendship with Roy as an argument FOR Outlaw.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 26, 2008 12:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

I’ve got a pro-Martell bias (and was definitely in the minority last summer), but while I like both players a lot, Travis just seems more expendable. He’s older, less of a passer, less of a defender, and his trade value is sky-high right now. I’d rather keep both, having Martell be the starter and defenseman and Outlaw the bench scorer, especially without James Jones around. But if we’ve got to trade one or the other, I’ve gotta lean towards keeping Webs and shipping out Trout. Sorry, ann.

by abdelnaby on Jun 26, 2008 12:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yup

I was there with you as I’ve been pro-Martell too. I think he’s a better fit. Honestly, if I’m going to be cold, i get rid of Frye, Jack, Sergio, McRoberts, Finland kid, RLEC, and I take bake our starting point guard.

I say cold because I love Frye and don’t want to do that. Martell at SF is a better fit than outlaw. Outlaw at SF and PF is a better fit than Frye… darn it.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Jun 26, 2008 1:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

13ppg, but did explode a good handful of times...

I do believe that Outlaws CONSISTENCY is going to continue to improve. What if Outlaw has an additional 5-10 games over last year where he explodes in the points column and is more steady throughout the rest of the games (not as many COLD games). That improvement is not too far off and not asking too much for his talent. Plus, last years 13.3ppg is a real confidence builder as are his last minute clutch games.

Personally, Mortimer, I too prefer Martell over Outlaw for the same reasons you say.

by Portland Dynasty on Jun 26, 2008 12:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Outlaw will always be a great scorer

And I think he’ll improve his consistency there as well… it’s just the rest of his game that really worries me, unless he’s coming off the bench. Off the bench, we can allow him to have those holes and just keep his game simple and make him score. As a starter, it’s a lot of stuff he HAS to do that he never has done before…

Makes me worry is all.

I think he’ll be a high teens to a 20ppg scorer, IF given the shots. As a 6th man, I think he’ll stay in the mid-teens and get 6th man of the year votes, and if he shows he can learn the INTANGIBLES, who knows…

He is entering his 6th season though. Hmmmm…

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 26, 2008 1:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

not sold on Outlaw as a starter either

to me, Webster as a starter and Outlaw as a 6th man is a strength and a luxury. Outlaw as a starter is a weakness.

by abdelnaby on Jun 26, 2008 1:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

Plus we should probably realize that Rudy is the 6th man for the forseeable future anyway. I’m also much more inclined to keep Martell over Travis.

by DrivetheLane on Jun 26, 2008 2:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs