Pre-Draft Rumor Open Thread
by Dave on Jun 25, 2008 12:24 AM PDT
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PrintToday marks the eve of the NBA Draft, and as such you are going to start hearing rumors swirling. This late in the game some of them are even going to be true! This is the open thread in which to collect them all. If you hear or see something just register a comment. Please include a LINK if you got the rumor somewhere online or credit the source if you heard it elsewhere.
Also please confine the discussion in this thread to the posting of published draft rumors and critique of same. There will be an open thread for general draft talk tomorrow.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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I had a really weird "dejá vu" moment last night,
Where I like saw in my mind the Blazers picking at number five, but it was weird because I felt like I had been there before. It was really trippy. And no, I’m not one of our friendly, “potzalright” Bedgers. But I sure felt like I was on something….
Anyway, some sources say it’s a real possibility. Whether or not it will happen, I have no idea. I actually was thinking we’d deal with New Jersey, but after my little epiphany, I am content to just ready to kick back and watch KP do get Memphis’ pick, New Jersey’s pick, and any other picks he wants.
Here’s a semi credible source who thinks my “dejá vu” moment has a chance:
ESPN’s Chad Ford just published a new mock draft. He mentions a potential Portland/Memphis trade: ”... the No. 13 pick and the expiring contract of Raef LaFrentz to Memphis for No. 5, Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins.” I’m getting e-mail from readers in Portland every few minutes claiming this is already done, but am assured that is not so. Whom would the Blazers select if they could get the fifth pick? Insiders are all over the map. Russell Westbrook, Joe Alexander, and O.J. Mayo have all been mentioned.
"Beards--they grow on you"
I don't like this trade
It’s a very ‘meh’ sorta feeling for me. There isn’t anyone I really want to grab at 5 and I think RLEC could help us bring in a better deal. If this was necessary to get at a top 3 pick, I’d be more for it. Something like the #5, Martell, Frye, Jack (some combination) for a top 3 wouldn’t be too bad. Free up some roster space, help with the salary cap problem Dave went over a few days ago. That wasn’t a sentence. Hmmmm….
At least this version of the Memphis-Portland trade is more palatable than Bill Simmons version. Uck! That one was awful.
The street lights is on.
Yah I'm not totally sold on the trade either.
But thought I’d throw it out there, especially after totally tripping out with my little deja vu moment.
Personally, I think the talent disparity between pick 5 and 13 is not that huge, so I’m more content to just wait and pick at 13 and keep RLEC. But if KP sees something an moves, I’ll know that there is some good talent at 5 I guess.
Plus who wants Brian Card? Come on. Talk about laaame.
"Beards--they grow on you"
by prezofdeath on Jun 25, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed.
I’m to the point now unless we can get into the top three picks, I’d rather trade out or just take Rush at 13.
Sure if we can get the #5 for nothing more than 13, 27, 2nd rounders and cash, I think we should do it. If we have to throw in players and/or RLEC, I don’t think 5 is all that.
I'm pretty sure he will
What makes you think he’ll be gone?
"My, that is a handsome fella. He must be the offspring of a Greek God!" - Bill Walton calling a Clipper's-Laker's game as Luke Walton checks in.
top 3
Who would you take third?
"My, that is a handsome fella. He must be the offspring of a Greek God!" - Bill Walton calling a Clipper's-Laker's game as Luke Walton checks in.
RELC/RLEC??
I’m dying to know what this means and have seen it all over BE. I can’t come up with a definition through a google search. Please enlighten me, anyone.
Raef LaFrentz Exhumed Corpse
ITS ALIVE!
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 25, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm getting better
See? :)
I am the master of my fate, I am the Captain of my soul. - Charles Wesley
Also
REC is Raef’s expiring contract, but the hipper kids use Rlec because it sounds cooler.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Depends if we can get Bayless or not
Bayless>Mayo>Augustin>Westbrook>Alexander
What DOESNT make sense is that we are adding more players. Unless we are going to throw some 2nd rounders and the 27 to a team in the late lottery for say next years top 3 protected #1
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 25, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Magnum....you make the most sense out of anybody on this post
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 25, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I still do not get why people do not think this is a good deal.
We are giving up litle to nothing to get a 5th pick in a draft. It has been well documented that this upcoming offseason there is going to be a glut of expirings from Marbury’s $20 Scerbiak’s $13 and even Collins’ $6.2. It makes more sense to strike while there is still a high percived value for the EC, rather than wait until the last minute when everybody else is trying to unload their ECs. That is good business as you will get a little less than some other ECs but a lot more than the ones that wait until the last minute to sell.
The EC market is going to be so diluted this upcoming trade deadline, we will not be able to get the value that we are thinking of out of it, so we need to strike now while there is still that “illusion” that it is valuable.
Collins $6mill expires the same time as Raefs, leaving us with only one year of Cardinals contract @ $6.3, less than what we would of had if Miles was still on the books.
I have long stated that signing a max contract player would be disasterous as that would blow our chemistry out of the water. "Max" as he will be known will come in ripe with a brand new $16mill contract and either 2 things will happen: he want to show that he has earned it, or he will just take his $$ and play the best he can, either way that does not bode well for us as
1. He will come in and try to do too much disrupting the chemistry that we have fought to cultivate for so hard the past few years, scoring 20ppg, and 10apg or rpg.
or
2. He will come in and not disrupt the chemistry and he will score 12ppg, 5rpg, 5apg and will be getting paid $16mill to do it, making him vastly overpayed.
So either way to me it is a lose/lose situation. Better to bring in a suler role player at about $7-9mill, a guy like Battier who is a D specialist who can shoot. He will come much cheaper, fit in with the team better, and work out better in the long run overall.
We do not need $20mill in cap space due to the reasons stated above.
As for the draft, KP has shown time and time again that he is the best drafter out there, and with a top 5 pick he can set the precedent and control the draft and get any player that he wants. No one thought that Roy was going to be as good as he is, same with LMA. The 2006 draft is supposedly shaping up much like this one as there are a few great prospects and the rest of the lotto picks are all ofer the place.
We got the two best players i the draft in 2006 and you have seen how far they have gotten us, and if we have the chance to get a 5th for chump change, I have full faith in KP that he can find a player that will be able to come in and provide us with a great player. Yeah the darft may be a "weaker" one but that increases the need to get a higher draft pick, so that you can get that impact player and dictate who you want to get, rather than sit back at 13 and wait for our turn to pick a player who is not what we want.
by SpyderRyder on Jun 25, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think
that the draft is weak. Sure KP would have great position, but I don’t think any of the guys left at 5 are going to be good enough to merit even that deal. Yes, I think the draft is that weak.
I understand the point you made about the glut of expiring contracts, but I don’t think the issue is as simple as more ECs mean less value for RLEC. Obviously, RLEC isn’t some dynamite asset in the upcoming market, but it still gives us TONS of flexibility to make the trade we want down the line. There are plenty of teams with bad contracts that might require RLEC to work. And just because there are other ECs out there doesn’t mean those teams are looking to acquire the same players we are or are talking to the same teams.
I think moving up to 5 with this scenario is just making a deal to make a deal.
I don’t think that just because we will have a ton of cap space next summer automatically means we’re going to sign a max contract player. We could just sit on the extra ~10 million in cap space. Or become a 3rd party in a trade scenario.
Yeah, I’m just ‘meh’ on this.
The street lights is on.
The value of RLEC
... is not only in trade bait. The reason anyone would trade for it is that the cap space it gives you when it comes off let’s you go for LeBron or someone else in that upper tier.
Paul Allen is ready to exceed the salary cap if it means a championship. Can we re-sign every restricted free agent and get that last premium piece without going over. Not if LMA and Oden turn out as good as Roy. We will definitely be over the cap. Then we will see if PA can buy a championship.
I like the guys we have, plus the picks, plus the big free agent signing KP is heading for in 2009 (read today’s Oregonian).
'77
That may be true but,
there is ample evidence that this is not that bad of a draft:
As the year 3 PERs are failry comparable to previous seasons.
Also if you look back at the past 2 drafts which we have done very well they have been the 26th and 25th worst drafts in the past 28 years, further supporting my point to be agressive in getting a better pick.
(link wont work see reply)
Lastly if we still have Raefs contract and let it expire, we will have about $26mill in cap space as per Dave’s brilliant story. $26MILLION is a crap load of money and we could get almost two MAX players with that cash, so having $20mill and a #5 pick would be amuch better situation. I do not feel that there is any way we could possibly spend $26mill on a FA and keep our chemistry together. Lets say that we have anough for 1 max player, which would be about $16mill, I would not want to use that all on one player anyway so what would you rather we go for
a $16mill max player and a #13 with a 21% chance to become a star
or
a $10mill super role player and a #5 with a 38% chance to become a star?
FAs are always overpaid anyway and even with $10 we will be able to be a big mover if we want to trade and take back more salary.
Which one of the top perimeter players would we be taking with number 5?
Top Rated PG’s since 2002:
Chris Paul 18.40
T.J. Ford 16.67
Raymond Felton 16.29
Mike Conley 15.55
Marcus Williams 15.52
Deron Williams 15.52
Rajon Rondo 15.23
Jason Williams 14.73
Javaris Crittenton 14.51
Devin Harris 14.40
D.J. Augustin, Texas (14.88); Derrick Rose, Memphis (14.69); Mario Chalmers, Kansas (14.03); Jerryd Bayless, Arizona (14.03).
First of all, 5 is a reach for everyone except maybe Bayless (obviously Rose is gone by 5). Are we really going to take an undersized Augustin with the 5th pick?
Westbrook’s defensive isn’t measurable by statistical methods, so he’s a little undervalued by this system, but shouldn’t his bad PER be a redflag about taking him at 5 anyway?
I get the feeling that people in favor of using RLEC to grab the number 5 pick are too enamored with the concept of a top 5 pick. The number 5 for 6 million is a good deal, in a vacuum. I’m not trying to be rude, it’s just the feeling I get. Maybe I’m too enamored with trade flexibility.
The street lights is on.
I apologize
I should have phrased that last part differently. The number 5 pick for RLEC is a good idea in a vacuum, but would be more useful, IMHO, as part of a trade to grab a more proven player, considering the relatively weak draft, the current roster and KP’s amazing ability to pull off great moves.
The street lights is on.
Bayless and Westbrook
have been my two targets at least for the 5th. Bayless is comparable to the players listed above and you are also correct in that PER does not take into account D, making Westbrook a better prospect than stated. Add to that Westbrook is a late bloomer and there is a lot of room for improvement.
I am not enamored with the 5th pick, what I am is like KP interested in getting the best player that I can in this draft that can fit our team.
So to me, even losing $6mill in cap space will not hinder our trading plans much, as wether or not we have the full RLEC or the 5th and half of the RLECs extra of cap space, we can still use that to trade for a good player. RLECs value alone is not that much, the strength of it is in a package with another player on a cheap contract ala Webster Frye, or TO. We would use $12mill plus $4-5 for TO or Webster to bring back a $16mill player.
If we did not have Raef and still had $10mill of cap space we could simply package Webster by himself and recieve a player with a $14mill contract. $10 in CS and $4 for Webster, and still have an overall savings of $2mill in cap. Either way we take on $14-16mill from the other team and all they have to get back is only the contract we send them at $2-5 mill.
They save cap space and we would get a good player and the 5th pick, so I just do not see how this is not great for us.
Totally agree Spyder
People are insane who want to keep a quickly diminishing in trade value RLEC. Strike while the iron is hot. Praise be that KP is making the move and not us. I think KP’s biggest problem will be “Pritch-Slapp shyness”. If he can get a few GM’s to work with him it will be D-lish guaranteed.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
If we take Cardinal and Collins
we would oly lose $6mill off the cap space plan as Collins’ $6mill expires the same tie as Raefs, leaving us with only $6mill of Cardinals contract.
bah
we’d probably waive both of them. Blazers would trip over all the spare parts.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
I am not saying that we would keep them,
but unfortunately we have to hold on to Cardinals contract. BOO
So technically it would be a 3 for 2 but essentially it is a 2 for 1 as Collins and Cardinal waive BUH-BYE
I'm just saying "bah" to the two players
We have pretty much all the pieces and guys like that will just be scrap.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Hey, you're cheating on your word count
It’s a BE stat that I keep. Your last paragraph was plagiarized from this post: Jun 25, 2008 9:45 AM HST.
You’re on notice!
"You boys sure found a way to make the time pass up there. Twist, you guys wasn't gettin' paid to leave the dogs babysittin' the sheep while you stem the rose." - Joe Aguirre from Brokeback Mountain
Yeah
But you’re still padding your stats. It’s like purposely missing a layup so you can get a rebound.
"You boys sure found a way to make the time pass up there. Twist, you guys wasn't gettin' paid to leave the dogs babysittin' the sheep while you stem the rose." - Joe Aguirre from Brokeback Mountain
I used to do that in rec ball
President of the Petteri Koponen fan club.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 26, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
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I often don't agree with some of the players
... you appear high on, but you make some very good arguments here. I know I hadn’t given any previous consideration to how many other EC’s are out there this coming season.
SpyderRyder, I stopped reading what you said at....
“I have long stated that signing a max contract player would be disasterous as that would blow our chemistry out of the water. “Max” as he will be known will come in ripe with a brand new $16mill contract and either 2 things will happen: he want to show that he has earned it, or he will just take his $$ and play the best he can, either way that does not bode well for us as”
You might be right, unless that player is Chris Paul. He’s a winner…...also, i do agree somewhat. If we can’t get CP3 next summer, then the target should be Raymond Felton (not a max contract player). He was the man back in college, plays like Baron Davis, and alway torches our guards..plus he is quick enough to “handle” CP3. As much as anybody can handle CP3..That wouldnt be for a while, but im throwing it out there…
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 26, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
potzalright bedgers...
Making up words huh, you must have a chronic thinking problem.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 25, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Why on Earth would Memphis make this trade?
I can think of two reasons:
1. They want to see if they can outdo themselves with the Gasol deal;
2. Ted Stepien has been reincarnated.
Lafrentz has one year left at $12.7m
Collins has one year left at $6.2m
Cardinal has two years left at $6.3m, then $6.7m
So you give up Collins and Cardinal in exchange for Lafrentz, opening up a roster spot (which will cost money) and saving $6.7 million a year from now (less the cost of the replacement player for that spot).
For that, you gave up the #5 pick in the draft (which, a few weeks ago, you were praying for the #1 or #2 pick), and you get the #13 pick in return.
This is an insane trade for Memphis and I think a cease and desist order should be placed against any future discussions about it. On second thought, knock yourselves out, we are talking about Memphis’ GM here.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 25, 2008 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
First Time Writing, Blazer Fan Forever, Hi Every Body
You know I think your right. I also think we got pick 27 to replace who ever we trade. Westbrook is my guess at 5. Sorry to say I think Webster is gone. Outlaw will start even though I think he is better off the bench. Westbrook will start at point just to guard the other teams point. Roy will bring the ball up and run the point. I am a big UCLA fan so I watched a lot of games. I like Westbrook but not ready to run the point but is ready to defend the point. I don,t think he knows a good shot from a bad shot. His shooting will get better its not bad but he works hard so that wont be a problem. He sometimes reminds me of Outlaw in that sense. KP has made one trade already and I will bet my house it wont be the last!!!! I have read this blog for years so you don’t know it yet but I have been a big fan of all of you as well. Keep up the good work guys and HEY KP give them a pritchslap for me to while your at it!!! WOOOOOOO GO BLAZERSandEDGE
Like your name, TB
but I’m gonna’ have to abbreviate just because it takes too long to type.
"Beards--they grow on you"
and now its Tuberculosis
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=tb
Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...
Westbrook wouldn't start this year
He’s too young and too inexperienced at the point.
We’d still have Blake or Jack after any trades and one of them would start. Westbrook would get a lot of minutes, especially late in games if we need to defend a top PG. Hopefully, he’d be ready to start in year 2 or back up a FA veteran PG.
WESTBROOK
“What I think about this matters none, but in terms of who struck me as being the most poised, the one who sounds like an adult, ready to face NBA challenges, of the players I talked to, I’ll take Russell Westbrook. He wasn’t reciting lines. He was talking as himself.” -Truehoop
culture guy, culture guy, culture guy, culture guy, culture guy, culture guy, culture guy.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
Yup.
I’d be happy with a PG rotation of Blake, Westbrook, and Sometimes Roy.
Trade Freeland!
by rockingharder on Jun 26, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
My Favorite Rumor Yet
I heard my favorite rumor of the Blazers offseason today. It appears as though Pritchard has been talking to the Nets about possibly acquiring Devin Harris. He’d be an absolutely perfect PG on this team. The Blazers would get that penetrating presence on offense, that is also a superior defensive player that can stay in front of the Western Conference PG’s, and he also has a good 3 point shot. Giving up a couple of the following would be necessary (#13, Travis Outlaw, Channing Frye, Jarrett Jack, Martell Webster). I’d be okay with giving up 2 or 3 of those guys if the Blazers could get a franchise PG in return.
Then its a win-win scenario at #27. If you studied this draft for as long as I have, you’d realize that picking between #20 and #30 will net you a solid prospect, which in normal years wouldn’t get you much of anything. Ajinca, Tomic, Batum, Ibaka would have more value to us, because they wouldn’t require us to bring them over right away, and it wouldn’t mess with our cap situation. Other projects are bound to drop that low too, depending on who you listen to, guys like Anthony Randolph, DeAndre Jordan, JaVale McGee, Donte Greene or a Kosta Koufos type should slip through the cracks. The Blazers also have early 2nd round picks (#33, #36, and #55) should they need to jump slightly higher to get their guy.
Kevin Pritchard is a no-nonsense kind of GM. What I’m assuming he’s done, is identified one or two guys, and now he’s willing to give up whats necessary to go get them. Coming out of this draft with Devin Harris, Alexis Ajinca and Nicolas Batum would be my dream scenario, but at this point, it doesn’t seem the Blazers can do anything wrong regardless of the players they acquire.
Devin Harris' value...
Devin Harris is a 4-year NBA pro, former #5 pick from 2004 and posts 14.4ppg and 5.6 apg, at 6’3”.
The Nets have #10 & #20 already in this draft. What would be a deal to get Harris to Portland and make it worth while for Portland?
I heard Kevin Pritchard on the news last night and he said that (they) were looking at all possible options and evaluating what their “pain threshold” is for various scenarios. “Pain Threshold” what a great way to define this process. What is our pain threshold for losing players like Outlaw, Webster or Frye? Because, like Indecent Proposal, there is an acceptable price for pretty much anything.
Portland now has two first rounders this year to either leverage a trade or to use one of those picks to off-set a player we may trade away (like Martell Webster, hate to say it but it is looking more and more that he is a chip that is in the game this year). So, #13 and #27 first rounders and #33, #36 and #55 are all really nice leverage pieces for KP and the Blazers. Also, Devin Harris would definitely remove Jarrett Jack from our rotation, so it would be GREAT if whatever deal is done for a PG, we could include JJack in the mix to free up a little roster space.
At this point I am not sure who I am interested in keeping more: Martell or Channing. One thing is for sure… Travis Outlaw is not someone who shold be on the table. He is too exciting and the longest tenured Blazer, and fan favorite and too talented to move. Those DUNKS are too good to pass up.
So I am thinking either 1.) Martell or Frye PLUS 2.) Jarrett Jack PLUS 3.) Combination of picks could get us Devin Harris. But if the Nets are looking to move Vince Carter, he might be included to offset VC for RLEC. Off course adding in VC’s 5 year deal could add a few more pieces to the pie, but all that I have written here is really the extent of my pain threshold for Devin Harris and who we lose.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 25, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I've been thinking this way for 2 months, at least
Harris was KP’s target at the February deadline, but his attempts to get into the middle of the Dallas-NJ deal were unsuccessful (but KP does not abandon his targets easily)
As Mortimer has eloquently stated many times, NJ was forced by Kidd to deal him asap. They had to get the most value from Dallas as they could. They may have “settled” for Harris as a future trading asset, rather than their “PG of the future” (or a change of GMs at NJ could’ve affected Harris’ perceived value to their front office/coaching staff)
Last night, Nate mentioned that Koponen would be playing the lion’s share of the PG minutes during summer league. This would seem to preclude the Blazers choosing a standout rookie PG like Bayless, Westbrook or Augustin (who would then bump Petteri from the lead role at Vegas)
Here’s hoping Harris is the target. A 3-guard rotation of Roy-Harris-Rudy would cover all the bases offensively and defensively: Harris and Rudy to run the fast break, and Roy to run the half-court offense at crunch time.
I agree with you guys...
especially whoever said don’t trade outlaw….one thing you gotta realize is devin harris is not the end all, be all answer at the point position…He is not a franchise point guard..Sure, he is serviceable. But he is not going to put a team on his back and carry them to the promised land.. That said, I like what he has to offer..but if we get him, i think he’s more of a filler. Not a shining star..Instead, I think what’s gonna be important is that we find a guy that can at least compete with Deron Williams and CP3…fyi devin harris fans, they will own him..just like baron davis did in the playoffs a year back…
....These ideas about mortgaging the future for devin harris just rub me the wrong way. and i would expect more from knowledgable blazer fans
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 25, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Devin Harris is a perfect fit
I dunno if all of this ends up with Harris as our starting PG, but if it did I would be extremely happy. Is he Chris Paul? No, of course not. You don’t NEED Chris Paul (and especially not Baron “I play 45 out of 82 games unless it is televised nationally” Davis), you need great defense, intelligence, and a team first player who can play WITHOUT THE BALL because we have Brandon Roy.
We need a good to great perimeter defender. Devin Harris is one of the best defenders at the PG spot, and is actually a PG who can also score. He is a top NBA PG, and his skills compliment us sooooo well.
If Outlaw is moved, well, perhaps Rudy takes over the off-the-bench scoring punch. It’s risky, but I know our bench as a whole would likely play better with a playmaker like Rudy with the ball. I’d rather keep Outlaw of course, but for Devin Harris? To me, that’s a no brainer. I’m a big Webster fan, and I’d move him plus the #13 for Devin Harris.
Some might think I overrate him, but league wide amongst fans I think he is very underrated. His intelligence and BBIQ, and tenacious defense, would fit like a glove.
This draft stuff is fun! I might have to DVR the draft and watch later, I got a lot of stuff brewing in real life… oooooh!
BroyTheTruth, Baron Davis is insanely talented but has NEVER played consistent to his level of talent in his entire career. He is very egotistical, has completely lost games for his team all on his lonesome, and will try to dominate any locker room he is a part of. He is the opposite type of player we want to surround our TRUE leaders with, Roy/LMA/Oden.
I don’t think Baron owned Harris that playoff series, the entire team owned the Mavs. And let’s say Baron DOES own Harris: does anyone think our championship train has to travel through the Warriors and that Baron can beat all of our dudes? Put Roy on Baron, problem solved.
Devin Harris isn’t a superstar—he is a Scottie Pippen of PGs, can do it all and play great defense as well.
Mortimer
Devin Harris is the Scottie Pippen of PGs
Which is exactly what we need. You don’t need the PG to put the team on his back you’ve got other guys who can do that. And we do.
P.S. I’m glad to see you posting, Mort. I haven’t seen as much of you around here lately: further cementing my belief that you are KP outside of Bedge.
by Montavilla Steve on Jun 25, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, oh, oh
Mortimer can’t be here during the draft, he just said. Evidence mounts.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
Comparison to Pippen is ridiculous
Scottie Pippen is top 50 player of all time, and can do literally everything. And everything includes puting a team on his back and taking them wherever he wants, which we’ve just established Harris cannot do. Pippen played second fiddle to Jordan, but if it’s anyone but Jordan he plays with during those years he would have been the main man. Perenial All Star and First Team All Defense.
Harris is not the Scottie Pippen of anything.
I am the master of my fate, I am the Captain of my soul. - Charles Wesley
Bad call...
Scottie Pippen is revered where he is because he was part of Jordan’s legacy. Championships validate anyone’s career (See Paul Pierce before this ring). With six rings on your hand and the best player and most competitive baller ever in the NBA pushing you to the limit and your team mates you should get better and produce.
Scottie Pippen was the perfect point-forward to play in on a defensive minded team that relied on perimeter efficiency for the triangle. He was an ideal role-player for the Superstar of superstars for this sport. Pippen may have six rings, but he is not beyond comparison (as Jordan is in my mind for at least quite some more time). Seriously, check Devin’s versatility, team play, defense, and cool/clutch personality to that of Pippen. I can see why this comparison was made. Devin Harris could win the Scottie-Pippen-Award for great all-around non-lead NBA player.
If Jordan weren’t there to VALIDATE Scottie Pippens career, he would be an afterthought.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 25, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
oh really...
so you need rings to validate a career??? that’s really pushing the limits. Pippen w/o Jordan would have been just fine… Perhaps even better than he was. whatifs and maybes. unless you think that pippen was only pippen because of jordan. I don’t think that jordan made everyone who they are, i think jordan is more overrated and had refs/nba look the other way, more often than not. If you don’t think so, you weren’t watching. Does it mean that he wasn’t the best ever or close?? not at all, but certainly pippen would still have been playing without jordan. now back to harris, doesn’t hold a stick of gum to pippen. nice try.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
pippen WAS without jordan
and he didn’t do so well.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
He lost in the 2nd round
both years Jordan was suspended …...errr…..playing baseball
GO says " Sir, you fornicated vertically…observe the consequences!
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you think
that Jordan was “suspended” for gambling on NBA games—and that his hiatus was actually mandated (unofficially officially) by the league? What evidence is there for that? I’m really quite curious about this question. I’ve always thought there was something very very strange about Jordan’s two year absence from NBA play.
Winning is everything.
That is what the conspiracy theorists think
Don’t know…...sounds like Stern though
GO says " Sir, you fornicated vertically…observe the consequences!
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
The first year after Jordan retired
Pippen was amazing leading his team to a 55-27 record and they even took the eventual Eastern Conference champ Knicks to 7 games in the 2nd round of the playoffs. It took the Rockets 7 games to dispatch the Knicks. I remember Magic Johnson saying that Pippen was the best player in the league that year.
23 Points
8 Boards
5 assists
2.4 Steals
43%FG
89% FT
Pippen was the MVP of the All-Star Game that year too. Not too shabby.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jun 25, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
pippen
was a do everytyhing do the little things player.
He could score major points and his team LOST! Pippen showed that he couldn’t carry a team.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
I agree
He put us on his back and helped us overcome the Lakers.
"You boys sure found a way to make the time pass up there. Twist, you guys wasn't gettin' paid to leave the dogs babysittin' the sheep while you stem the rose." - Joe Aguirre from Brokeback Mountain
Tom, are you okay?
You seem to have become a little snooty and passive-aggressive over the last week…
by The Graduate on Jun 25, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
He doesn't remember, actually
He wasn’t a Blazers fan until we drafted Oden. He said so himself. I think he’s goofy in the normal sense of the word.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
Step off man
Nah, I’m just kidding. I’m just sick of the draft and all the different speculation on how to cannibalize the team. I realize I’ve been snippy so I’ve been trying to avoid Blazer’s Edge. It’s hard to stay away when I have eight hours of free time each day.
I can’t wait for the draft to be over. It used to be fun and exciting, now it’s is just an overwhelming flood of posts that make me want to respond with profanity. For more information on Blazer Fans eating their young; please visit this website.
"You boys sure found a way to make the time pass up there. Twist, you guys wasn't gettin' paid to leave the dogs babysittin' the sheep while you stem the rose." - Joe Aguirre from Brokeback Mountain
I feel you
It has become not fun the past couple weeks leading up to the draft. Too much crap going on.
President of the Petteri Koponen fan club.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 26, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
tom, dont be a dickhead...quit dissin on pippen
devin harris can’t even hold a candle to him. Pippen was a leader…and in the playoffs, he did put the bulls on his back for long stretches of time…I thought he did alright as a blazer too…we got robbed with the lakers…I wish you wouldnt even bring that up. You touched on a sore spot…Also, i dont think you have a clue what youre talking about.
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 26, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It's Pips fault we lost
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mortimer....
baron davis isn’t even as good as CP3 or deron..and yes, our championship will go through those guys…..and for the record, Baron did own him that series. A couple nights he dropped something like 35 points, 12 assists, and 8 rebounds. Harris did absolutely nothing to stop that….definately doesnt leave me with a good feeling if we have to give up outlaw for him..
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 25, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I like Harris as he fits a need.
Hopefully we keep the finland kid behind him and he’s as good as I think he’ll be.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
hmmmm
My opinion is that we don’t need a superstar point guard to “put the team on his back and carry them to the promised land”. We have Roy, Oden and LMA for that. Our stars are set if you ask me. We need a Devin Harris who is fast enough to guard other points and at the very least, filter them to where the help is waiting. He can shoot the ball, is a decent passer, has extensive playoff experience, is young, and is what everyone thinks Westbrook can become. He is PERFECT for this team.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
Re-Comment
I just added this to another thread, then saw this and thought it might be more relevant over here (sorry if re-posting comments is in poor taste):
For once and for all (and for what it’s worth).. here’s my B-Dizz take:
I like him. A lot. As a basketball fan, though; not for our team. The beard’s nice, the clutch 3s are nice, the roller skating video is nice. His attitude is probably not so nice, but I wouldn’t put him in any sort of a ‘problem child’ category (though I wouldn’t really argue if others did).
That said, I think he would be absolutely, incontrovertibly and undeniably terrible for this team. He’s a big star and an elite player, but I could see just that status rending our team chemistry in two (or more!). Were this the Jailblazers, I’d say "great, get him. That would be entertaining." But dazzle shots and AK47 dunks do not a championship team make. And that’s exactly what we’re most likely looking at in a few years.
Which brings me to my next point: we’re not looking to win now. Under any circumstances. Oden’s still a cub, and everything I’ve read says players – good players – take ~5 seasons to begin playing their real game. To put it in perspective, we don’t even have 5 seasons with R/O/A COMBINED. Even if they’re on a fast track, it would be a huge disservice to heap pressure upon a youthful and developing team by placing an All-Star in the mix with a ‘win-now’ expectation.
I actually DON’T want to win now. I’m really enjoying seeing this team progress, and consider myself fortunate to be along for what is almost definitely going to be a long and incredible ride. Let’s take a note of warning from the Celtics one-and-done experience and a page or two from the books of some of the all-time dynasties. I don’t want a Happy Meal, I want a three-courser.
By the way, IS re-posting comments in poor taste?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
It depends
on whether I agree with them.
When I repost comments, it is profound. If you repost comments with which I agree, you’re cool. If I’m not sure about the comment, you are a somewhat annoying person. If I don’t like it, you ought to be banned.
You’re relatively new around here, so may not know, but everything here is about ME. I haven’t convinced Dave or everyone else of that yet, but it’s still true. I know it, so it must be true.
Did I mention I’m going to rule the world one day?
In this case? I agree with your comment. So you’re one cool dude for reposting it.
Any questions?
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
I think that pretty much clears things up. I make a pointed effort to pass all BEdgings by you in the future. Thanks for the heads up!
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
LOL
I guess I haven’t convinced you that everything around here is about me, either.
My heart has been broken once again.
I bet you have a pretty face. I was always told never to trust a pretty face.
There seem to be a lot of people around here with pretty faces.
That’s ok. Annthefan likes me. I wonder what she looks like….
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
I agree
I’m trying figure out how your repost (totally not in bad taste) pertains to my post about needing Harris on this team and not Bdiddy. Just like you, I love Baron and the Beard, but not in a Blazer Uni. Harris is a MUCH better fit…..
Oh, and the rollerskating vid is total radness…...
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
Hm
I know it’s about Devin but I kept seeing Davis’ name come up. I just now reviewed it and it looks like the first thread under which I posted it was the more relevant one, after all. Whoops!
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
I keeps stats of BE
And it is OK if you state that you are reposting so that I know not to include them in my numbers. If you go around and just copy and paste without warning, I put you on notice.
"You boys sure found a way to make the time pass up there. Twist, you guys wasn't gettin' paid to leave the dogs babysittin' the sheep while you stem the rose." - Joe Aguirre from Brokeback Mountain
chris paul says
i remember reading that when devin harris was traded chris paul made a comment about the toughest defender to get by in the west had been traded, i would take his word
by blackandwite323 on Jun 25, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed!
at one point devin harris was marked untradeable by the mavs because he was the only player “who could stay in front of tony parker”
Yeah... because CP3 is scared of him, I want Devin Harris!!!
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 25, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
tru dat
I’m sold just by that. I’m easy like that though.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
"mortgaging the future:
trading Outlaw and the 13 for one of the top 10 point guards in the league is “mortgaging the future”? come on, that’s just ludicrous.
Whether you like the trade or not, there’s no way you can characterize it as mortgaging the future with any kind of credibility.
Especially since Harris is what, 25?
"Mortgaging the future" is usually when you trade for someone old, or something.
All I meant...
...was that outlaw hasn’t reached his full potential. And he’s a cheap, solid investment. There’s no risk to keeping him..I dunno if we trade him, I’d want an all-star vet, caliber in return..Even then only maybe….he matches up with kobe nicely. From what i’ve seen his length bothers him…Think about that blazer fans as over the next five years, they are likely our greatest opponent…not like that’s anything new. Also, at times i think of travis as one of the most sensational dunkers in the league. Not too mention he is clutch, and also a humble dude, as well as brandons best friend on the team…..
.....the day we ever trade outlaw is going to be a sad day
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 26, 2008 4:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I am In love with this trade more and more as time passes
I think all the talks comparing Harris to Scottie are pretty good and I also think he is perfect for out team! I also wonder about the talks about us getting Richard Jefferson….... why not both? i feel with our picks and pieces we could easily snag them both! I feel the 13th, Jack and Reaf are probably necessities as they are trying to rebuild so i could see them valuing the EC, then its kind of what they want from there…. another 1st round, 27th pick….. a young sf baller to replace Jefferson, Marty or Trout (NOT both!), or if they want to go big Frye, or small Wafer…...then of course we got our three 2nd round picks…...... and last we got Allen’s friendly wallet.
If we deal Frye that will be our only thing missing is a backup pf which we could sign, trade or draft one.
I just think of the starting line up of Harris, Roy, Jefferson, Aldridge, and Oden as a contender!
with still an awesome bench is Blake, Rodriguez, Fernandez, Jones (I think keeping his is KEY), either Webster or Outlaw, Przybilla the killa, possibly a new back up PF and don’t forget McBob (who i heard has dimes like Sabonis)
Does anybody else think this is a possibility or am I just stuck with my head in the clouds?
by Trail Ducker on Jun 25, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Jefferson no
he’s not our guy and not our window. KP flat out said it’s not happening.
Harris is a nice fit. I’m not sold on Outlaw as our starter at SF but I wouldn’t take jefferson and his contract or his age.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
also
I don’t care what people say…
mcroberts is a scrub. UNLESS a GM for a team is reading this, and then he’s AWESOME!!!!
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Trail Ducker....
the fact that you put Jefferson in our starting line up shows how little you know…i like what you had to say, but that just makes your post so much less credible…KP is never gonna bring in a declining Jefferson
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 26, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Chad Ford
On the radio this morning, said he has a feeling that Pritchard is goint to make a huge deal. Can you believe it? I’m shocked…....
You heard it here first…........unless you were listening to the radio.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
It must've been an ESPN radio feed, right?
If so, it might be up on their podcast center.
I’m gonna go check just in case.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
It was on 1080 this morning.......
it might be on the podcast, maybe Ford with talk about it more today. He had nothing specific, but thought we make a BIG splash today.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
It was on Mike and Mike
"My, that is a handsome fella. He must be the offspring of a Greek God!" - Bill Walton calling a Clipper's-Laker's game as Luke Walton checks in.
it is?
thanks for the update…...and if you couldn’t tell, it was written in a sarcastic tone.
Don’t be so uptight…..
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
Well,
We didn’t get all dresses up for nothin!
Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'Sir' without adding, 'You're making a scene.' -Homer J Simpson
I'm dressing up tomorrow
but i have to be at a rehearsal dinner ($@#*&%$#) and will have to tivo the draft and pretend like I didn’t know what happened.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
I think he was pretending
to be uptight
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
I know he was pretending to be uptight
You heard it here first.
I am the master of my fate, I am the Captain of my soul. - Charles Wesley
Actually
I believe I announced it monday with my declaration of “a bunch of trades and we end up with rose”. Maybe I should have added “if we can’t get rose, a bunch of trades for someone cool.”.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
hmmm,
I actually wouldn’t be surprised to see that happen with what the tb’s have acquired going into the draft, tons of picks and lots of players with upside…. maybe 3 different deals to land that… we have @ 5 spots to get rid of on the roster…. it’s not beyond reason to think it could happen.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
Houston
I read in the morning paper that the Rockets have attacked Israel, which is weird because the Israelis don’t even have a first-round pick.
RipCity -- now, now ...
by Y5k on Jun 25, 2008 7:59 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Perfect
I can’t stop laughing. I think I’m way too tense with all this trade talk. Thank you!!
If it keep on Tradin', the Team gonna break - BlueBooYay 6/21/08
you are awesome
because you actually GET tense!
I love our blazer fans. They seriously rock.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
hehheh
hhehhahah!!!! Thats funny man! Who do you think pulled the trigger? Lt. Mutumbo?
It puts the lotion on the skin...or else it gets the hose!
by courtsideerrandboy on Jun 25, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Blazers moving up to 10...?
here’s the link:
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/Nets_likely_to_stand_pat.html
and the specific part of the article says:
“League sources said the Blazers called the Nets about a possible deal. The Nets would send a package that includes the No. 10 to Portland for No. 13, 33 and either Steve Blake or Jarrett Jack.
The Nets probably wouldn’t do that unless none of the players on their list was there, which is nearly impossible, and then they would use 13 on Brook’s twin brother Robin Lopez or Ohio State center Kosta Koufos.”
Not entirely sure if this is ‘credible enough’ but it is a rumor…
DJ Augustine
this could be a move to draft Augustine. People say the Pacers would pick him up in a second if he fell to 11, so if Augustine’s there at 10, and NJ drafts him, then expect to hear a trade announced soon…
he'll be gone at 6
He’s perfect for the Knicks and they need a new point.
We’re moving up to one, two, or three for mayo or Rose.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
The Knicks will take Westbrook if he is there
book it.
"My, that is a handsome fella. He must be the offspring of a Greek God!" - Bill Walton calling a Clipper's-Laker's game as Luke Walton checks in.
Knicks are dreaming of Mayo...
................... if they’ve targeted Augustine, no one knows about it.
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
See, I was gonna' say
that if NJ takes DJ, it means they’re trading Devin Harris to us. But that’s probably just my Devin Harris wishful thinking kicking in…
by Montavilla Steve on Jun 25, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see why KP would do this...
With the current flux in expectations on just about every player outside of the Top 4 or 5, I don’t see how moving up only 3 spots would land one of KP’s targets, at the expense of another pick and either JJ or Blake.
My vote is that this rumor is bogus.
This might happen
during the draft, if the guy KP wants is there. In other words, it could be generally agreed between the teams, but they’ll wait to actually pull the trigger based on who is still available when they get to pick #10.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
Here's the deal
we trade 13 and 27 to a team that really wants a player that’s available early. They get a little extra and we move up. then we take that pick and add some decent scrubs and move up again. THEN we get some teams in on the action add in a good player and BAM!!!! we have the 1st pick.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
I like it ...
especially if we manipulate/Pritchslap multiple teams at once.
RipCity -- now, now ...
definitely
gotta wrack up the pritch-slapping score
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
watch at least the first minute of this and then read the above comment again in his voice...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBW7ysPcbT0
"My, that is a handsome fella. He must be the offspring of a Greek God!" - Bill Walton calling a Clipper's-Laker's game as Luke Walton checks in.
I heard about a similar trade
“the Blazers are talking about moving up to No. 10 in a deal with the Nets that would send 13, 33 and Jarrett Jack to New Jersey for 10 and Mo Ager. The Blazers’ target appears to be Augustin”
and a very similar, possibly identical rumor on the same page:
“The Nets also are talking to Portland about a deal that would have them swap 10 and 13. If they do, I can see New Jersey grabbing (Robin) Lopez”
and finally, rounding out my exhausting research of this one Ford article, this little dollop of intrigue:
“I heard from a good source that Rudy Fernandez, who has some leverage, has expressed that he wants the Blazers to pass on Rush at No. 13. “
The street lights is on.
I know some people at Milwaukee were contemplating him at #8.
But that was before the Joe Show made it to town.
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
Chaplain of the Jarrett Jack Fan Club
"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus
Makes me wonder
If Rudy wants the Blazer’s backcourt “deck cleared” so he gets major PT, as a condition to coming over and signing for less $ to play in the NBA. This could be bad news for you Webster and Jack fans
Could also have something to do with Nate’s 180 re: Outlaw playing the 3 more than the 4
I wasn't there
But I doubt he said anything and if he did say anything, he probably said he hopes the Blazers don’t draft a shooting guard. I think there are some pretty obvious reasons that could be a concern to him.
"You boys sure found a way to make the time pass up there. Twist, you guys wasn't gettin' paid to leave the dogs babysittin' the sheep while you stem the rose." - Joe Aguirre from Brokeback Mountain
Agreed.
I like Steve as the steady White-Unit leader, some one who can mentor a young star in the making.
RipCity -- now, now ...
To recap...
As of 9:30 this morning on Wednesday, June 25th, we’ve heard the following…
Blazers acquire the #27 pick in the NBA draft from Charlotte for Cash… This deal is done and done.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3459658
Blazers looking to deal with New Jersey, Memphis, New York or Phoenix. Possibilities include Barbosa for Webster, Jack and the #13… Mike Miller for Outlaw and the #13 (plus cap fillers)... Brian Cardinal, Jason Collins and the #5 draft pick for Raef Lafrentz and possibly the #13… Also, assuming we keep the #27, we’re projected to grab either Ante Tomic or Nicolas Batum (both European players). For Paul Allen’s money, Batum is a huge value at #27, but it’s unlikely he lasts that long and unlikely we keep the pick…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-080625
An interesting look at all of Memphis’ options, as they seem to be dictating at least some of the Blazers larger options (wouldn’t Mike Miller look pretty good in Blazers black and red?)...
http://cmimemphis.com/grizblog/node/313
“After months of scouting, preparation, consultation, film study, workouts, interviews and rumination, the Nets have come to grips with their true place in the 2008 NBA Draft as hopeful, yet helpless, bystanders.” You know who has a GM that takes advantage of hopeless bystanders? Yeah, the Blazers! Unfortunately, this article basically says the Nets are comfortable with leftovers, which may make moving around either easier or harder. Basically, if there not sold on anyone at #10, we could move up. Otherwise, they’ll take whoever is left out of the top prospects and be happy…
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1214368626122650.xml&coll=1
Here’s a relatively simple take on our current position. Basically, we have too many players (not to mention too many “like-able” players). We’ve still got Outlaw and Webster who combine to make a pretty good SF, but both lack the polish of a seasoned veteran. We’ve still got Blake as our starting point guard, which is an area of concern. And, by the time the draft is over, we might be 3 deep at every position…
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-32-355/Too-Many-Players-in-Portland.html
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 25, 2008 9:45 AM PDT reply actions
More rumors...
Additional information about the #13 pick heading to New Jersey and the #10 pick heading to Portland… It may be part of a larger 3-team deal that includes Marcus Camby from the Denver Nuggets. Obviously, if you include Camby, then for salary purposes (and having to match them) it seems more likely that the deal would include a player like Richard Jefferson or Devin Harris, plus Raef’s expiring contract. Take into account, however, that this is on SI.com’s Truth and Rumors…
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/55150
Also, in an effort to make Minnesota even more terrible, there is a rumor that Kevin McHale is pondering dealing the #3 pick to the Charlotte Bobcats for the #9 pick and Adam “Ammo” Morrison. How long would it take Michael Jordan to pull the trigger on this deal: over/under 3 seconds? If this trade goes through, Kevin McHale will cement his legacy as the worst GM of all time. How can you struggle to build a franchise around Kevin Garnett? Is it really that hard?
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/54981
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 25, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uhh
Youre forgetting that its Michael Jordan. Give him a few years and he will be the new McHale.
I wouldnt guarantee anything
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 25, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Oops...
Yeah, that’s a typo… It should be New Orleans 27th pick for Cash…
This is pretty old news by now, but Chad Ford has us finishing the draft with…
Alexis Ajinca – #13 – C – 7’1” 240lbs out of France
Nicolas Batum – #27 – SF – 6’8” 210lbs out of France
Ante Tomic – #33 – C – 7’2” 237lbs out of Croatia
DJ White – #36 – PF – 6’9” 240lbs out of Indiana
Mantas Kalnietis – #55 – PG 6’5” 194lbs out of Lithuania
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-080625
Does anyone know how Paul Allen’s money converts to Euros?
DraftXpress has us finishing the draft with…
Alexis Ajinca – #13 – C – 7’1” 240lbs out of France
Mario Chalmers – #27 – PG – 6’1” 190lbs out of Kansas
Nicolas Batum – #33 – SF – 6’8” 210lbs out of France
Ante Tomic – #36 – C – 7’2” 237lbs out of Croatia
Othello Hunter – #55 – PF – 6’8” 225lbs out of Ohio State
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2008/
If we grab Ajinca, Batum and Tomic without making a deal, we’ll be looking like a Euroleague All Star team in a couple years. Not to mention, we’ll have a crazy amount of representation in the Olympics, except none of it will be playing on Team USA.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 25, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Top 10 Nominee
Does anyone know how Paul Allen’s money converts to Euros?
"Beards--they grow on you"
by prezofdeath on Jun 25, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
What is all this top ten talk?
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by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 25, 2008 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do europeans declare?
Why do all these europeans declare, particularly since most will stay overseas for at least a few more years. if they held out a couple years, they’d be drafted much higher (just look at how much rudys stock improved last year to this year). it costs them a lot of money to declare when they are still so young.
by bluthbanana on Jun 25, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
It's all about bargaining.
Lately, declaring for the NBA has a good way to get other European clubs to increase their offers if they want to stay in Europe.
Also, there’s no way to really gauge their exact NBA value until they get a little exposure and mention in the American press. This simply doesn’t happen until they declare. It’s all about exposure.
Sure, the rookie salary scale can hurt their earning power, but the NBA is still the most prestigious league worldwide, which is worth more than a fat paycheck to many of these players.
Wherever you go, there you are.
For the same reason underclassmen declare...
If you can get a certain amount of money now, say $1.7 million, would you do it or would you take your chances on $2.5 million a year from now knowing that your payoff in a year could be $0?
Just ask Roy Hibbert, who returned for an additional year at Georgetown and went from a Top 10 pick in a pretty deep draft to a Top 25 pick a year later…
For early second rounders, it’s even better because there’s no maximum rookie contract. So, essentially, it’s better to be an early second rounder and stay in Europe for a couple seasons than it is to be a mid-late first rounder…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 25, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
"Blazers looking to deal with New Jersey, Memphis, New York or Phoenix"
Why does this rumor have some credibility? Those are currently the easiest teams to Pritchslap.
'77
One more chip in the pool
Unconfirmed rumors has Paul Allen throwing in one of his spare yachts as part of the mega trade. Allen was quoted as saying, “We thought we would float that out there and see if anyone takes the bait.”
by ralphzillo on Jun 25, 2008 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Buchanan(sp?)
Just said that Pryzbilla could be part of a deal to get #5 from Memphis. Apparently Memphis wants a veteren big man. Maybe they shouldnt have given away Gasol???
RUDY > MJ
It was on espn's draft special
It sounded like Memphis wanted Joel, not that KP was shopping him or anything like that. Take it for what it is worth, it is probably useless information….
RUDY > MJ
don't trade pryz...i'd rather have the best 1,2 center combo in basketball, than just some prospect
plus…pryz is a great portland guy
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 25, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Z-Bo trades
A little off topic, but here are some fun figures on the Knicks attempting to squirm out from under the Zack monster.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9207
In my mind, sending Zack packing was KP’s masterpiece (along with getting Roy/LaMarcus the previous year). Is it too late to send JR Ryder, Quintel, Bonzi and Damon’s stoned ass to NY too?
RipCity -- now, now ...
Darius Miles
I get a feeling if there was a way to deal Darius’ contract away, Pritch/Penn would be all over it
uhhhh...
you must be new here…
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/4/18/415318/free-agent-this-year
Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...
by TheOdenator on Jun 25, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Could not find the link on google
But crediting Eben Calder in the 27th pick fanpost:
“Wojanarski reported this morning that KP has a deal available from the Nets to pick up a bad contract and the #13 for the #10. The statement was that he hasn’t done this yet because "he thinks he can do better". So let this get the creative juices going. #10 gets us ahead of Indy, and almost certainly to Augustin. If he thinks he can do better, and gets to #7, that gets us to Alexander and one or more of the other guards out there. Yes, it is getting interesting”
I think he waits though
He is too shrewd to move up to 7 and have all the guards gone. Wait and see who is there at 7 before pulling the trigger. Same with 10.
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 25, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
4 way trade...
it’s not a rumor, but i got bored at work and started playing with the espn trade machine.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1724883136238230392166216732341994275427683220201530252795&teams=2217822221788~82117172117~21&te=&cash=
nevermind...but here's a real rumor
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2008/06/golden_state_warrior_source_de.html
B-Dizzle and Harrington to Pistons
Sheed and Mr. Big Shot to GSW
Wow
That is a heck of a trade. Sheed and SJax? wow
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by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 25, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Trades happen during the draft, not before
I bet the Blazers won’t trade until they know where Westbrook and Augustin go, and then trade with the teams that draft them
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jun 25, 2008 1:48 PM PDT reply actions
It probably won't actually be finalized
until during/after the draft.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
Quick's podcast (NYK) & NJN Rumors
NJN deal does not necessarily conflict with what Quick reported on his podcast, although Quick speculated that a NJN would include Harris.
#10, Hassell for Jack, #13, #33-
On Quick’s podcast he says a deal has been on the table for 10 days that involves a PDX backcourt player + 13 for a NYK frontcourt player.
That was immediately met with comment speculation that we were getting David Lee for Jack! However, listen to the podcast at 3:30-3:45, the phrase is somebody that “I think is a very nice player”. Makes me think that it’s not a unanimous opinion??
Also listen in from 5:45-6:30
He also goes on to say that neither Jack nor Sergio is garnering much interest. I’d actually prefer that it was Sergio. If the Blazers hadn’t already promised Rudy a Spanish backcourt mate. Perhaps Mr. Int’l, D’Antonio thinks that Rodriguez is a fit for his system?
Anyhow for a 1:1 trade to work salaries would need to be vey close; here’s what I show:
1 Sergio Rodriguez $817,000
4 David Lee $990,600
3 Wilson Chandler $1,091,640
1 Jarrett Jack $1,217,400
4 Renaldo Balkman $1,280,640
2 Brandon Roy $2,883,120
1 Steve Blake $4,250,000
3 Jared Jeffries $5,632,200
I don’t think we’d be giving away pick #13 to get Renaldo Balkman – would we? Although he does fit the profile of a tougher forward.
by Mad Matt the Road Warrior on Jun 25, 2008 2:31 PM PDT reply actions
I think it's obvious Jack + #13 for Lee
I don’t think Lee is even worth #13. Limited offensive player and terrible defender. He’s an excellent offensive rebounder. I rather take Milsap than Lee and Milsap is not worth #13.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
SF
He’s playing out of position.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
But can he shoot the 3?
We need a SF who can spread the floor.
If we trade for Lee, it probably means Channing is being traded in another deal.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
Love loves the Blazers
I have always been a Blazer fan. That would be like a dream to me to play for them one day. I love their team. Greg Oden and Martell Webster are good friends. Love Aldridge and Roy. Kevin Pritchard has really turned that team around.
-Kevin Love
I'm excited;
as excited as anyone about the draft. But I’ll admit I’ll feel a little dejected if we end up with someone other than Derrick Rose (Beasley would be an OK consolation prize.) However, it sounds like nothing is in the works to secure either the #1 or #2 picks.
I’d be OK happy with some of the other prospects but really disappointed if it’s the pint-sized Augustine we grab. He did not perform well in the last to NCAA tournaments but the rumors circulating now are kind of pointing toward that pick.
Almost
Beasley = Z-Bo
Augustine = Damon
Trade Freeland!
by rockingharder on Jun 26, 2008 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Speculation, not rumor, but I'll post it anyways.
We’re not the only ones trying to figure out what Portland is doing. Ridiculous Upside has this post talking about us making a play for Beasley.
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They have a man crush on the Blazers
"You boys sure found a way to make the time pass up there. Twist, you guys wasn't gettin' paid to leave the dogs babysittin' the sheep while you stem the rose." - Joe Aguirre from Brokeback Mountain
Sorry "Channing" you're being traded
I already proposed you in a three blog trade with jtlight of Addicted To Quack and Ben Q Rock from Third Quarter Collapse. You’re headed to ATQ, we get Ben Q Rock, and TQC gets jtlight. It doesn’t mater how much you like the Blazers or Blazer’s Edge, it’s a business. Blazer’s Edge needs Ben’s outside blogging.
"You boys sure found a way to make the time pass up there. Twist, you guys wasn't gettin' paid to leave the dogs babysittin' the sheep while you stem the rose." - Joe Aguirre from Brokeback Mountain
Not so fast with the trades
The Blazers have a very good young core and should not tamper with it for trades that simply look good on paper. We are adding Oden and Rudy to a very good group. With one new draft pick and Koponen, some one will have to be cut. Koponen can spend most of the year in D League leaving 3 PG. Unless we can get Westbrook or Bayless (or totally dreaming Rose), leave the core alone. Martell should continue to start and Outlaw off the bench with Rudy. Give Sergio a chance on the second unit with Rudy. Other GMs like our guys and want to trade with us to rob us not give us a good player.
Omigod!
I’ve been saying the exact same thing. But I’m afraid we’re just two small voices crying in the wilderness. Carry on, OrygunRod. Carry on.
"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"
These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.
Charlotte
Just traded for Denver’s #20 pick. They now have two players in the draft. Supposedly Larry Brown LOVES Westbrook. Now he has the ammo to trade up and get him. Could that make Raymond Felton expendable?
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 25, 2008 4:39 PM PDT reply actions
Felton is pretty good.
Better than anything we have.
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 25, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Felton has major holes
He is chubby, has a poor attitude, is definitely a shoot first PG who shoots a really awful percentage, and he is a horrible defender who gets steals by cherry picking and gambling. He puts up numbers on a bad team with a bad percentage over all.
I’d rather have the mediocre solidness of Blake, who has no aspirations of being a star and scoring a lot and can actually hit a spot up jumper, than the me-first style of Felton. Felton will probably ALWAYS put up better numbers than Blake, but Blake is a much better fit—and in the PG spot, I’ll always take a Blake over a Felton.
We need defense first, BBIQ and shooting next, and then quality playmaking in our starting PG.
Mortimer
Sorry
Here is Larry Brown comment from Draft Express:
It’s interesting to note that ex-UCLA head coach Larry Brown finally got his wishes of seeing Westbrook in person, after making a fairly large stink about agents trying to control the draft process. He reportedly is in love with Westbrook (and Kevin Love) and this appears to be the furthest he’ll fall.
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 25, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Also: Robin LOPEZ?
“One source told me that they’d like to draft Westbrook, but they’ll have to move up to get him. If they can’t address their needs at point guard, then Stanford big man Robin Lopez wouldn’t be a surprise here as a long-term asset.”
Ian Thomsen – SI.com
Yuck
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 25, 2008 4:40 PM PDT reply actions
Bobcats acquire Nuggets' 20th pick in NBA draft
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3460859
Nuggets in return get a future protected first-round pick. This doesn’t make that much sense with Larry Browns love of rookies. Not really sure what to make of it.
Joel Freeland=Stud
Ehh no worries..
I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 25, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
JERMAINE O'NEAL TRADED
Since this is the rumor thread…
TJ Ford traded for Jermaine O’Neal, and the Pacers get the Raptors #17 pick plus Rasho Nesterovic.
Hmm… who won? If HEALTHY, Jermaine O’Neal can still be a great post defender to go alongside Bosh. If healthy, TJ Ford can be a good scoring PG. The Pacers can get someone good at #17, and they NEEDED a PG, but TJ Ford’s health problems were what I thought would scare them away, because they’ve had a career with health problems with their current PG, Jamall Tinsley.
What do you lads think?
Mortimer
You beat me...
Well, heres the like:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3461029
Good move, it also means that a PG could fall to us at the 13th pick, good news all around.
Joel Freeland=Stud
That's what I thought
With the ‘move up to 10 to get DJ’ talk, now we don’t gotta worry AS MUCH about Indy snagging DJ at #11, if that is truly who we want.
I thought he looked great in that workout video, really liked how he moved and made his reads on offense, but it was only a one day workout against good but not great college players, and he is super short.
Shortest guy in barefeet ever to be drafted in the top 15, says Jay Bilas, right? Damn. I really don’t like TOO short PGs.
If KP likes him though, then I like him. I’m easy.
Mortimer
Uh, Damon?
Damon was the #7 pick, and no way is Augustin shorter than the mouse, whose height in shoes was 5’9” or so.
Unless DJ wears some wicked pumps or heels or something…
by EngineerScotty on Jun 25, 2008 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
GET OUTTA MY FACE, PHOO!
Yeah, it didn’t sound right to me, but I think Bilas said it.
Damon mighta’ been 5’10.5, 5’11. Is he up on Draft Express, his pre-draft measurements? I gotta run so I can’t take a looksee.
DJ should borrow Kevin Love and Spencer Hawes’ 3 inch pumps so he don’t get yelled at for being so short.
Mortimer
Interesting stat
Damon was the highest draft pick to win rookie of the year.
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by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 25, 2008 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
No, he wasn't
Mark Jackson was the 18th pick and won the ‘88 ROY
Then Gavin Dawson is a liar.
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by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 26, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Ouch...44million for a washed up power foward.
“O’Neal is set to make $21 million this season and $23 million in 2009-10.”
JOEC…Jermaine O’Neal’s Expiring Contract new lingo for 09-10 season.
I like how it always spells sumthin' funny
RLEC = RELIC, JOEC = JOKE.
I hope O’neal isn’t a joke then, but perhaps for that price…
Mortimer
Dr exam?
Did Bird and the Pacers get Jermaine examined by their doctor before this trade?
If not, what a huge waste of money.
The article says pending physicals
so who makes the decision on who is drafted at 17? Real awkward situation.
Accordin' to ESPN
The deal is pending medical reviews. Since both guys have injury problems, perhaps a reversal of the deal could happen… though I think the injury concerns are well documented with both, and each team knows what they’re getting.
What is Indy gonna do with Tinsley now? I don’t want him at all, just wonderin’... he was always kinda a ‘what if’ type player, because he had talent to be a pretty good PG.
Mortimer
JJ + 13 for Marcus Williams + 10
this rumors from draftexpress.com
“One trade that is definitely being discussed is Portland swapping picks with New Jersey. According to the rumor, the Trailblazers would send the #13 pick and Jarrett Jack to the Nets for Marcus Williams (who the Nets are extremely down on) and the #10 pick. Portland would love to get Russell Westbrook or Jerryd Bayless here, but would probably settle for Eric Gordon or D.J. Augustin as well. “
This sounds like a much better trade for us. We don’t give up much to move up 3 spots, and Marcus Williams could still develop into a solid player.
That deal would be awesome
And it could work out well for NJ too if Jack turns out. I wonder how high we could get for #10 + Webster?
culture
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by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 25, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
nevermind
thinking of sean williams.
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by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 25, 2008 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
no
Culture is still a problem, Marcus Williams didn’t even get in shape for the NBA draft and thats why he slipped to the 22nd pick. And “He [Williams] only played in 16 games as a freshmen for failing to qualify academically and missed playing in UConn’s championship run. Also, more recently, Williams and fellow UConn guard A.J. Price allegedly stole 10 laptop computers from UConn dorm rooms.” via nbadraft.net
Doesn’t seem like a KP pick, but he is more talented than JJ, so…. Just not sure about that.
Joel Freeland=Stud
I hope that happens
And Portland drafts Eric Gordon (and Nets draft Robin), just because that was my prediction (minus some minor details).
Joel Freeland=Stud
KP/PA
Get Derrick Rose.
Bring Players, Picks and Money.
Just Get it done.
Lizzy “Desperate for Derrick” Lowblow
"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow
Jus don't include
LMA, Roy, Oden, Rudy
GO says " Sir, you fornicated vertically…observe the consequences!
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2008 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
That may require
Guns & Lawyers!
"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow
by Lizzy Lowblow on Jun 25, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought you said
Guns n Roses for min anyway
GO says " Sir, you fornicated vertically…observe the consequences!
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Roses?
Ya, might need them too.
"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow
by Lizzy Lowblow on Jun 25, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
More speculation
Gotta read tonight’s TrueHoop Update:
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-32-362/Almost-Draft-Day-Trade-Talk.html
pure speculation, but good reading.
Another RUMOR for #5 Pick
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/sports/basketball/26knicks.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
According to executives with two teams, the Knicks are discussing a swap of first-round picks with Portland. The Knicks would send the No. 6 pick, forward David Lee and another player to the Trail Blazers for the 13th and 27th picks and a player, possibly Steve Blake or Jarrett Jack. (Portland is acquiring the 27th pick from New Orleans.)
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
Movin' On Up
What’s we got left for the #2?
Get on up there, to The Big Time.
"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow
by Lizzy Lowblow on Jun 25, 2008 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you kidding?
That’d be one of the bigger Pritchslaps of all time.
by Garces on Jun 25, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
no kidding. I call BS
The #6 pick and Lee for Jack & #13 & #27??? Heck, take Lee out and I would still do it in a heartbeat. This cant be real…
RUDY > MJ
This could be a last minute deal
If all the players the Knicks really want at 6 are gone they might do this deal. Plus, the article said something about Lee not being good of D’antoni’s (sp?) system and being up for a contract extension soon (Lebron sweepstakes!).
I like this move for the Blazers, plus, Lee seems to have some value around the league, maybe number 6 plus Lee and Webster/Outlaw/Frye can be used to grab a veteran or a top 3 pick. It also helps with the minutes crunch.
The street lights is on.
I don't even think I have to make a joke here, anyone can hit this pitch.
"You boys sure found a way to make the time pass up there. Twist, you guys wasn't gettin' paid to leave the dogs babysittin' the sheep while you stem the rose." - Joe Aguirre from Brokeback Mountain
I wake up to something wonderful every morning.
Her name is Theresa.
Of course the day goes downhill from there, as I realize I still haven’t won the Lottery and have to go in to work.
I GOT IT, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING TOMORROW
Using my deductive logic and thinking outside the box, I have come to a plan that the Blazers SHOULD do tomorrow to get the best player in the draft.
In 2006 we traded the #7 and cash to Minny in the Roy/Foye deal, so we should just drafting up one pick and adding $3mill to each pick.
“Charlotte trades the 9th pick to Por for the 10th pick and $3mill”
“Mil trades the 8th pick to Por for the 9th pick and $3mill”
“LAC trades the 7th pick to Por for the 8th pick and $3mill”
“NYK trades the 6th pick to Por for the 7th pick and $3mill”
“Mem trades the 5th pick to Por for the 6th pick and $3mill”
“Sea trades the 4th pick to Por for the 5th pick and $3mill”
“Min trades the 3rd pick to Por for the 4th pick and $3mill”
“Mia trades the 2nd pick to Por for the 3rd pick and $3mill”
“Chi trades the 1st pick to Por for the 2nd pick and $3mill”
“With the 1st pick in the 2008 NBA draft the Portland TrailBlazers select: Derrick Rose from Memphis”
It really is THAT simple people.
KP git er done.
;—|D
by SpyderRyder on Jun 26, 2008 12:01 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Brilliant
Pualo suggested this a couple months ago.
The fact that someone already thought of it doesn’t make it any less brilliant.
The dropoff between 2-3 and 3-4 is pretty significant in this draft, though. Might have to toss in a second rounder here and there, or even a #27 pick. Or even one of our scrubs. So what?
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
Can't we just give $27 million and the 13th pick to Chicago for the 1st?
I doubt it but it seems easier.
"You boys sure found a way to make the time pass up there. Twist, you guys wasn't gettin' paid to leave the dogs babysittin' the sheep while you stem the rose." - Joe Aguirre from Brokeback Mountain
No
Real reason: this way is better because then we can gloat to the fans of all those other teams that their owner sells them out while ours is cool.
Boring technicality: the max cash allowed in any one deal is $3 million.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
+1
... all kidding aside though, KP is light years ahead of Whitsitt in terms of shrewdly using Paul Allen’s money. These deals leverage PA’s $ without sending us into a salary cap stratosphere.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 26, 2008 12:11 AM PDT reply actions
I have a source
that says we’re doing this trade with New Jersey tomorrow. Don’t shoot the messenger.
Jack + 13 + 33
FOR
10 + Maurice Ager
Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy=Dynasty. Believe
In case I'm wrong that is.
But I’m fairly confident in the source.
Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy=Dynasty. Believe
That's wrong.
I heard it from a Blazers insider before it even came out on ESPN.
Apparently it’s going down today.
Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy=Dynasty. Believe
Pshhh
Then man with the link is the man with the truth.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-32-362/Almost-Draft-Day-Trade-Talk.html
... the Blazers are talking about moving up to No. 10 in a deal with the Nets that would send 13, 33 and Jarrett Jack to New Jersey for 10 and Mo Ager. The Blazers’ target appears to be Augustin. I think the farthest he will drop is Cleveland at No. 19.
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