Blazers buy 27th pick from New Orleans.
by OdenRoyLMA on Jun 24, 2008 8:43 PM PDT
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3459658
I can't see us keeping this pick, It must be part of a bigger trade. Don't see why we would need it otherwise. We don't have room.
But more importantly, Pritch is on the prowl!
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hmmmmm
very interesting. Yes, more trades must be on the way, or Pritch has someone he wants to stash away…
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jun 24, 2008 8:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
^^^Good point
Maybe Rudy Fernandez part.2?
Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy=Dynasty. Believe
by OdenRoyLMA on Jun 24, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's my guess
I think it will be a Euro prospect.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jun 24, 2008 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
love it
one more asset. Paul Allen is the best owner in all of sports. Now we need to sit back and see what KP will do with it.
by parkinglotj on Jun 24, 2008 8:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Two first round picks might allow you to trade up in the draft
without having to send too many players in the deal.
by raoulduke on Jun 24, 2008 8:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
The stockpiling continues…
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jun 24, 2008 8:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oooooooo
This makes me so excited.
"My, that is a handsome fella. He must be the offspring of a Greek God!" - Bill Walton calling a Clipper's-Laker's game as Luke Walton checks in.
by JTDuck22 on Jun 24, 2008 8:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Paul Allen
He plays for keeps.
Except with his money, which he plays for fun with.
I think at this point, we should come up with a plan as far as “Recs” for these news fanposts. I think we should tend to “Rec” them because they convey important information, but as I see several of these types of things happening shortly, I don’t know how everyone feels about that. Thoughts?
by rmcdougall on Jun 24, 2008 8:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
IT HAS BEGUN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG108e-uJUU
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Jun 24, 2008 9:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
KP already Jockeying position....
You know, I have been reading the espn.com, hoopshype.com and many other NBA draft rumor boards and there are said to be at least 6 or 7 teams who have mentioned plans to try and trade up in this draft. It shows good great hustle on the side of the Blazers and KP to act fast and get a deal done with one of those mid 20’s first round teams this early, good doing business wiht you New Orleans. Out-bidding the other offers with COLD HARD CASH, making the deal New Orleans couldn’t refuse is why Portland was able to pull this off especially since there a other suitors to acquire this pick. Really good work.
Portland must have plans for this pick. #13 + #27 + ??? can move up for sure. This pick acquisition also give Portland a chance to keep one of those second rounders for a Draft-N-Stash prospect to keep our International pipeline full. It is already getting excited.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 24, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm calling it now
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Jun 24, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great call... I can see something like that working out...
#6 New York (I don’t know if New York wants to really move out of this deal, unless it is sweet)
#7 LA Clippers (I could see them really liking Jack and/or Webster and adding depth of two first rounders as they have few players signed.)
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 24, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collins or Conley?
If you mean Conley, than this trade would be a major major pritchslap.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jun 24, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's basic
13 + 27 = 40. Not sure why KP wants another second rounder….
by Diesel10 on Jun 24, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When we get too rec happy
the old dead posts that got tons of recs linger at the top of the list long after interest has passed.
I say, rec only when the post really warrants it.
It might mean some duplicate posts as stuff drops off the list but I can live with that.
by raoulduke on Jun 24, 2008 9:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Patriots
I know people have strong feelings about the New England Patriots, but this sort of thing reminds me of their strategies. They always seem to be a step ahead in the draft, always stockpiling.
I think this is the last draft for a while in which we’ll need to make picks, so trading our picks for other teams’ would make sense for us too.
by rmcdougall on Jun 24, 2008 9:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
anybody thinking jj hickson?
portland did have the guy in for 2 workouts…. maybe they really like him! but i’m still going with the euro prospect, either ajinca, tomic, ibaka, or batum even.
by futurenba23 on Jun 24, 2008 9:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You were reading my mind
If Frye is traded, the Blazers will need a back-up at the 4 spot. Hickson could be a Mislap, Landry type.
by PoliSam on Jun 24, 2008 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might be the French PG?
Trail Blazers are really cool
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jun 24, 2008 9:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh!
Thank you! I bet we draft him next year then.
Trail Blazers are really cool
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jun 24, 2008 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess
would be Nicolas Batum. He was expected to go mid 1st but got dropped because of some health issues. I would assume that the Blazers don’t think he will make it to the 2nd round. Of course, chances are I am completely wrong.
by Stumptown Doug on Jun 24, 2008 9:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think your right...
that was my first thought also.
"My, that is a handsome fella. He must be the offspring of a Greek God!" - Bill Walton calling a Clipper's-Laker's game as Luke Walton checks in.
by JTDuck22 on Jun 24, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum has said he won't play overseas and want's to be in the NBA...
With there not being a lot of minutes to go around for young, undeveloped SF’s on our roster, I don’t think that Portland will take him.
by PtownJake on Jun 25, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum can say what he wants
I think if the team that drafted him tell him to stay overseas he won’t really have the choice (looking at his frame too by the way)...
by Blenzer on Jun 25, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you guys...
... ever feel bad that we always buy picks? It is a huge advantage that seems almost Yankee-like. It’s amazing it took the Blazers this long to figure out how to SPAM wisely.
Good times are ahead, but I almost feel dirty.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jun 24, 2008 9:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not at all
It’s not like the Blazers are holding up these teams up at knife point or something. Plus, what’s stopping other teams from doing the same thing? Sure, PA is super rich, but it’s not like the other owners are hard up for $$$.
If buying picks is wrong, then I don’t want to be right.
by Furious Styles on Jun 24, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
LMAO
I hear that my friend! Love the closer…rec’d
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on Jun 25, 2008 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did the L*kers ever apologize for Gasol? Let the rest of the league weep.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Jun 24, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with ya.
ONCE, it seems pretty cool, but what if we bought 5 first rounders? Or 2 every year?
by begottenson on Jun 24, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, this is more like Moneyball then the Yankees
This is exploiting market inefficiencies to build a team. Late first round draft picks are undervalued by GMs for how much they can give in return. Since they can be acquired for small amounts of cash, its a good team building strategy to use. What the Yankees did was pay way over market value for every good player they could get their hands on, which is fundamentally different.
by joof on Jun 25, 2008 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can also give you a role player
at a very low hit on your salary cap.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jun 25, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know baseball
at all, could you tell me what did the Yankees do/did ?
On a side note, I feel a bit like you, I’m happy but I’m also affraid some might come in our face with success coming that it’s been too easy for the Blazers as they have the richest NBA owner thus truncating the competition…
by Blenzer on Jun 25, 2008 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steinbrenner
The owner is often charged with ruining baseball (and by extension all professional sports) by kicking off the whole ‘paying players exorbitant salaries’ thing. He’s usually criticized for ‘buying’ championship teams instead of ‘earning’ them.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Jun 25, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like
Portland did with Whitsitt and more recently the Knicks ?
Turned out to pay big dividents, isn’t it ?
by Blenzer on Jun 25, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, you asked. I’m not saying it’s great.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Jun 25, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not making
any sarcasm at you of course !
I’m just relativizing the notion that you can ‘buy’ championships…
by Blenzer on Jun 25, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way awsome.....
I can see a great trade move coming….
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 24, 2008 9:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ha-HA!
He’s winding up… and… YES!
I don’t know what’s happening on draft day, but I predict KP gives the NBA the Pritch-slap of a lifetime.
Trade Freeland!
by rockingharder on Jun 24, 2008 9:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Delicious
and I couldn’t agree more. I’m thinking we’re going to #5 and then to #3 after that who knows…
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on Jun 25, 2008 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do
Rose.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Jun 25, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, Baby
Gotta Go for The Rose.
"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow
by Lizzy Lowblow on Jun 25, 2008 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great news
Now you guys can afford to ship us one of your bajilion second-rounders.
by Ben Q Rock on Jun 24, 2008 9:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nope
we’re drafting a bajilion Euros – at least one of them has to become the next Ginobili!
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jun 24, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We already have him...
...and he’s > MJ
Trade Freeland!
by rockingharder on Jun 24, 2008 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll give you two of them
for your first round pick. Get your guys to agree, and I’ll send KP a fax and let him know.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jun 24, 2008 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade a bunch of picks + Jack for Baron Davis
the dude is a competitor. what i like is that at appropriate times, he takes his game to the next level
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 24, 2008 9:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
window culture fit
too old, not a chemistry guy, not a good fit next to Roy…......
by WarEaglePDX on Jun 24, 2008 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not suggesting he's the PG of the future...I'm just saying next year he'd be great.
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 24, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose my biggest question.......
is how would trading for Baron Davis help the Portland Trailblazers win a championship?
by WarEaglePDX on Jun 25, 2008 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE trade him for someone better...
like rose.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Jun 25, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diggin' da Goal
Gotta follow yer Dreams.
I want to see if we have The Power, Guile and Resources to make it so.
"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow
by Lizzy Lowblow on Jun 25, 2008 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit rumor
Baron Davis could be going to the Pistons…for Sheed and Chauncey
by two4larue on Jun 25, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, Broy...
... for “the truth”. Baron is a vet, one of the top-ten points in the league, and ultimately (despite the mirage that is Golden State) he is a team player—exactly what the Blazers will need in ‘08-09. There aren’t many good vet points that are truly available. BD can be the missing link to this team.
by blazerwizard on Jun 25, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Missing..
as in.. out with ‘injuries’ while he rides his million-dollar contract into the sunset, I think.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Jun 25, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I could not agree more strongly. +1 to sharkie.
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 25, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
For once and for all (and for what it’s worth).. here’s my B-Dizz take:
I like him. A lot. As a basketball fan, though; not for our team. The beard’s nice, the clutch 3s are nice, the roller skating video is nice. His attitude is probably not so nice, but I definitely wouldn’t put him in any sort of a ‘problem child’ category (though I wouldn’t really argue if others did).
That said, I think he would be absolutely, incontrovertibly and undeniably terrible for this team. He’s a big star and an elite player, but I could see just that status rending our team chemistry in two (or more!). Were this the Jailblazers, I’d say “great, get him. That would be entertaining.” But dazzle shots and AK47 dunks do not a championship team make. And that’s exactly what we’re most likely looking at in a few years.
Which brings me to my next point: we’re not looking to win now. Under any circumstances. Oden’s still a cub, and everything I’ve read says players – good players – take ~5 seasons to begin playing their real game. To put it in perspective, we don’t even have 5 seasons with R/O/A COMBINED. Even if they’re on a fast track, it would be a huge disservice to heap pressure upon a youthful and developing team by placing an All-Star in the mix with a ‘win-now’ expectation.
I actually DON’T want to win now. I’m really enjoying seeing this team progress, and consider myself fortunate to be along for what is almost definitely going to be a long and incredible ride. Let’s take a note of warning from the Celtics one-and-done experience and a page or two from the books of some of the all-time dynasties. I don’t want a Happy Meal, I want a three-courser.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Jun 25, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seven course meal
my friend, this ride is going to be way better than applebees.
by bartender77 on Jun 26, 2008 3:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baron Davis
is not a Blazer culture guy.
by BrewDude on Jun 24, 2008 9:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
totally agree
not the guy who would complement BROy well…
by futurenba23 on Jun 24, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he's hard nosed, runs the break, plays point, and is a vet....
plus his contract comes off the books a year from now, when we try to go after the real pg. CP3….
I dunno, maybe it’s just me but we need some grit…and if we could get it at the point gaurd position, all the better…Am i the only one who watched the Goldenstate v. Dallas series a year back. The dude can play…Also, with all of our character guys, sometimes its ok to take a chance
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 24, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly, i don't think there's anybody who could help us more next year..besides LBJ or CP3
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 24, 2008 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we don't need help next year.
we need help in two years and on.
Next year will be feeling the mix and dropping what doesn’t work with a slight tweak and evaluating.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Jun 25, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would welcome
Baron Davis….....and I’d say a short prayer that he doesn’t get hurt.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jun 24, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome though he may be
He’s a YouTube sensation. And a playoff sensation. But he’s not right for this team. I’ve heard people mention Gilbert Arenas too, and he’d be gettable for the right assets, but we don’t want him either. Its a good time to be a Blazers fan when were’ saying “nah” to a bunch of All Stars.
by rmcdougall on Jun 24, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baron is not like Gilbert. He is a real pg
in the playoffs against dallas, he averaged something like 8 assists, 25 points, and 5 rebounds along with a couple steals. Plus, he’s the kind of guy who’ll beat you up. We need that….If i was KP, and didn’t have to give up Trout, Martell, Rudy, or any of the big 3. I would make it happen
plus….don’t discount the guy. He led his team to a fifty win season. And he did it without a big man. Think what he could do with Oden..
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 24, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check the predictions
I called Portland getting the 27pick in Dave’s prediction page….I Rule…I predicted we would get Mario Chalmers with this pick…Only time will tell my friends…If i truly am a basketball genius.,,that will one day be making these choices for your Blazers…my blazers…Seattle’s Blazers
uwe blab
by midget on Jun 24, 2008 9:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Portland.
Trail Blazers are really cool
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jun 25, 2008 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing...
when a team trades a first round draft pick for cash.
If I was a Hornets fan I would be extremely unhappy
right now.
I’m glad we have an owner that cares about winning
first and foremost.
by FeelTheLove on Jun 24, 2008 9:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Just look at the last 3 drafts. We get Sergio for Cash. We get Rudy for Cash (yes, there were other components that happened first, but we got the pick itself for cash). Now we get the #27 for cash. I think we got Petteri for a 2nd rounder and cash. Same thing with Freeland I think.
Are all these Euros going to pan out? Of course not. But at the end of the day if the only thing they cost you was cash, then even if you only hit .25% on them, it’s still a huge advantage in this league.
And a couple years from now when our roster is loaded and we are picking in the late 20s, I don’t think we’ll be selling our picks for cash. We’ll be continuing to build our future European pipeline and just keep reloading.
by douglast on Jun 24, 2008 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Allen should buy a Euroleague franchise
And play all our stashed players on that team, under the watchful eye of KP and Nate. That way Kopponen, Sergio, Freeland, Tomic, Batum and Ajinca can all play together for the West Barcelona Blazers or something. This would be far more appealing to Euros than playing in the D-league, with a view to someday playing in the NBA once their game develops.
by LMA on Jun 24, 2008 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know, that is a darn good idea...
by raoulduke on Jun 24, 2008 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would win all the time...
It would basically be a European All-Star team.
Can I buy you a fish sandwich?
by silkybrown on Jun 25, 2008 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been saying that for a while
back when people were saying we should buy a D League team. Europe is better.
It would probably break some rule somewhere.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jun 24, 2008 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you weren't
Admit it.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jun 25, 2008 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he might have been
I am 99% certain I’ve read this idea on this site at some point in the past. I don’t remember who wrote it, but that means it’s possible it as jscot, who is certainly a very frequent contributer here.
by douglast on Jun 25, 2008 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm totally joking
and know he’s a contributor….....
Besides, the idea is pretty awesome. We could potentially be the WORLD CHAMPS by winning the NBA title and the Euroleague.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jun 25, 2008 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Being the ruler of the world means you never have to prove your claims.
But check the third response on this thread:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2007/7/15/737/26180
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jun 25, 2008 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's like pretty super rad
I can’t believe you actually DID call it…....that’s funny stuff.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jun 25, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that
I’m egotistical enough to take the time to go find the proof.
I’m also egotistical enough to remember what I posted a year ago on a sports blog. That’s, like, serious evidence that something is way wrong.
Oh, well. Enough introspection. When I rule the world, it won’t be ME that has to worry about my ego.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jun 25, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just means
you don’t drink enough alcohol or smoke enough pot.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jun 25, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually don't do either at all
I’ve never really known many people who do who ever think they do it enough….
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jun 26, 2008 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know,
maybe if it was like Phoenix where it happened year after year, but New Orleans is pretty loaded with young players who need and deserve time, and on its own its not like the #27 is going to get you a great player.
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
by wjb1492 on Jun 24, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possible move for Hickson?
North Carolina State’s J.J. Hickson appears to have made a strong impression on the Blazers. The 6-foot-9 forward was back in Portland on Tuesday for a second workout, during which the team wanted to see him run through a different type of workout and get “another set of eyes on him.”“He’s a guy that has impressed us,” Pritchard said.
http://www.columbian.com/sports/blazerBanter/#entry1
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Jun 24, 2008 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Frye may be traded if Hickson is the target.
Hickson + McRoberts battle for backup PF minutes.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Jun 24, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
McRoberts is done as a blazer IMO
At this point I don’t know what is happening, but he may have to battle 2 or 3 draft picks just to keep the 15th spot.
by tweener on Jun 24, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rather than just seeing him waved at the end of the preseason...
I would rather that McBob gets packaged in a trade and KP can glean at least a little value out of the Duke D-Leaguer.
by PtownJake on Jun 25, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would trade for him
knowing they can probably get him later when we waive him?
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jun 25, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't count him out yet
We have no idea what strides he has made in the last 4-5 months, all I’ve heard is that he’s been working hard, that he has transformed his body and is a true athlete now. Only the Blazers staff knows what he has to offer next season.
by Kelsoballa on Jun 25, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, actually
I’m not saying he won’t stick. But since, as you said, it would only be the Blazer staff who knows, he is likely to have virtually nil trade value. Cap filler in some cases, maybe, but it’s not like he has a big enough salary to matter much in that respect.
I think he’ll either be cut, or stick. I’ll be very surprised if he’s traded.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jun 26, 2008 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is this all leading??
All of these young backup players & prospects will eventually turn into one “A” type player.
Hornets have just pritch-slapped themselves. Don’t they know we are going to battle them for the next 5-10 years?
by tweener on Jun 24, 2008 10:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it be funny
If the player KP takes with the 27th pick ends up putting the nail in New Orleans coffin one of these days?
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jun 24, 2008 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This pick will be one of two things
1. A Euro, probably this Tomic or whatever his name was mentioned in the original article (mostly because I think the second rounders are getting traded) or;
2. (and most likely) included in a trade with the #13. Maybe something like #13, #27 and Outlaw for Devin Harris and the #21. Then the #21 is either Hickson or Brandon Rush if he falls that far.
by DrivetheLane on Jun 24, 2008 10:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
for this
we would have to add another 3-4 million to the deal (Frye?). And it probably couldn’t go down until after the July moratorium due to Devin being between his scale contract and his new extension.
I like it though
by douglast on Jun 24, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see
I have next to no handle on the salary aspect and finer points of trades, so that’s good info. I’d imagine between KP and Tom Penn, they’d be able to figure something out. If they waited till after the draft and drafted the other team’s players then would the rookie scale contracts count? I’d imagine between the 13 and 27 picks there would be 3-4 million difference between that and the 21?
by DrivetheLane on Jun 24, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends
until they are signed, they count as $0 for trading purposes. If there was a deal in place, they almost assuredly would NOT be signed prior to having their rights traded. So, the deal (adding Frye, Marty, or Jack) would still work in July.
by douglast on Jun 24, 2008 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
??????????????
It baffles me how people jump on board with the idea of trading outlaw for devin harris. Nix all that other stuff we’re including, i wouldn’t make the trade just on that level…then at the same time people shoot down the idea of baron davis….seems crazy. Harris, to me, isn’t even proven.
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 24, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Harris is in the right window
Davis is not, and is also not a culture fit.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by Addicted to Quack on Jun 24, 2008 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we need vets right now...
he is a legit vet…..all im saying is if we dont have to give up a lot to make it happen, then make it happen…When we’re an immediate top contender next year, while still having our cap space for the year following, there will be no regrets.
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 24, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
naw we don't
we’re doing just fine without.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
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by ratbastird on Jun 25, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah, but Baron’s beard would dominate over our adolescent-filled locker room.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 24, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, the kids need to grow some hair on their chest...having him around would help
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 24, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Itd be like a shot of testosterone...
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 24, 2008 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like a shot of Everclear
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jun 24, 2008 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baron Davis+BRoy+Travis+Lamarcus+Oden…....................................That’s one intimidating line up
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 24, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if you guys remember that game earlier this year against boston.......
you remember, the one where KG talked all that trash…..if we got a dude like Baron, than that shit doesn’t slide….......maybe its good to have somebody whose a little more Alpha
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 25, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KP.....I hope you're reading all this
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 25, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
it took me a sec to realize that BroyTheTruth was the only one commenting on this idea…I vote no on Baron by the way, he’s a prim Dona and I don’t see him working well with Roy. however I do agree with you that we need some toughness especially with jack probably gone, I think having Priz as a backup where he doesn’t have to worry about fouling out as much, the rest of the team also might have a bit more testosterone when they know guys like Oden and Joel are there backing them up.
I love the emotion though, I just don’t like BD, I never really have, it reminds me of the way I feel about OJ Mayo, I feel as strongly about Mayo as you do about Davis, too bad neither are going to happen
The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down
by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 25, 2008 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
re reading that, I didnt finish nearly any thoughts, sorry about that
Priz will help toughness
I dont like Davis
I like Mayo
I appreciate BroyTheTruths passion
The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down
by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 25, 2008 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off...
thanks for the reply..I also like Mayo. To me, he is easily the best guard prospect in the draft. People, I think, get too hyped on Rose….Also, i like him as a fit for the blazers..From what i can tell of his style of play, he brings that same toughness I was talking about with Baron Davis. Something about him is hard nosed, like you can’t help but get the feelin, ‘maybe i shouldn’t F#@$ with that guy’. And from what i can tell he’s not too much of a head case.
That said, i question his ability to point guard. He has all the talent in the world. I mean really. But it doesn’t seem like his “thing” is making plays for other people..maybe i just havent seen enough of him….i mean, he does it. He goes to the middle with strength looking to finish, then kicks out when it’s not there. But he’s not like Chris Paul in that he doesn’t manipulate defenses in order to get particular players involved. That’s really the point guards job..push the break, and make everybody happy, meaning get everybody involved. Brandon seems to do more of making plays for other people..
Which kinda leads into my next point. OJ fits perfect next to Brandon. He’s like the ultimate combo guard. I think he can run the pick and roll, isolate individually, help run the fast break, and most importantly..finish…That’s what he needs to do. And he is quick and strong enough to play D. I guess that’s what i like best about him though is that he goes to the middle with strength. That’s how you draw fouls, and we as a team need that. We need guys with energy..He could bring that.. As for the rest of the time, Brandon i feel is an excellent facilitator. He operates at a slow pace, but really does play like a point guard. So if we put him there, it could work. However, I’m really crossing my fingers CP3 holds out on signing his extension, so we can get a shot at him..that guy is a genuine winner..whereas OJ, I just consider him a great talent
Oh yea, as far as Baron Davis. I too got some character questions. I just feel it would help our youngsters playing with a veteran of his calibre. And he is a competitor. Plus..he supplements the one position which we’re lacking..the point. Might not be the right fit..That’s up to KP. All i know is that next year sure is gonna be exciting..and with Baron we’d have more than a legit shot at winning the whole thing.
Anyway, I guess it’s all in managements hands..just thought i needed to get my opinion heard..Maybe KP is reading…..
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 25, 2008 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hyped on rose
I think mayo will be a better player than rose… however…
I think rose is a better fit for the blazers.
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by ratbastird on Jun 25, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and no.
I think Mayo has the potential to be a better player than Rose. However, I think he’s also much more likely to be a bust. With Rose, you know you’re getting a solid player, for better or worse. Mayo could be the next MJ or the next Harold Miner.
Trade Freeland!
by rockingharder on Jun 25, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree just about 100%
its one of those things where if KP signed off on BD I would say wow that’s great, I just don’t see it happening and right now I don’t like the guy, boils down to “In KP we trust” I guess arguing over who is better for Portland is a tad bit redundant between Rose and Mayo, however the argument and reason I give Mayo the edge is because of his defense. Mayo will be an all NBD defensive player for a good part of the next 10 years I believe.
The pictures kinda small, but Im giving the C's a big thumbs down
by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 25, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you remember the game against the Warriors
BD couldn’t have looked more embarrassed of himself sitting on the bench after playing the crapiest game of his career.
NO TO BD
by Kelsoballa on Jun 25, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
man...
this sure looks stupid at the bottom of eighteen replies
by bartender77 on Jun 26, 2008 3:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Between this move, all the talk about trading out of the #13 pick to get a vet, and Dave’s excellent analysis about the upcoming CSWOO (Cap Space Window Of Opportunity), I’m a bit befuddled. My wild guess that KP’s goal is to trade Frye, Webster, and Jack, and then renounce whomever he does not get rid of out of those three in order to fully utilize the CSWOO. So all of these trades are being done with the end goal in mind of filling any holes left behind by those three, as efficiently as possible.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 24, 2008 10:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty quiet over at The Hive...
Blazermania - It's not just for die-hards anymore.
by Blazerholic on Jun 24, 2008 11:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a phenomena that's happening all across the globe
The honey bees are just disappearing, vanishing into thin air.
It’s true. Mark Wahlberg said so in The Happening.
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 24, 2008 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could unreccomend that movie...
It was simply terrible. Terrible plot, terrible ending, just, simply, turrible…
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jun 24, 2008 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I went in expecting it to be horrible, and it delivered.
But I mean I was laughing for at least half of the movie, it was just hilarious.
Marky Mark: If we’re going to die, I want you to know something. I was in the pharmacy a while ago. There was a really good-looking pharmacist behind the counter. Really good-looking. I went up and asked her where the cough syrup was. I didn’t even have a cough, and I almost bought it. I’m talking about a completely superfluous bottle of cough syrup, which costs like six bucks.
Alma Moore: Are you joking?
[Elliot nods his head]
Alma Moore: Thank you.
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
by Dheepan on Jun 24, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wast
as bad as i thought it was gonna be
by raging WebTed on Jun 25, 2008 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was supposed to be B movieish
horrible was the point.
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by ratbastird on Jun 25, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they dont
have anything to talk about,.. they just lost their pick…. ha!
by raging WebTed on Jun 24, 2008 11:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Webmaster is on vacation for three weeks
That’s why you see nothing.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Strategy
by Eben Calder on Jun 25, 2008 5:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
#10
Wojanarski reported this morning that KP has a deal available from the Nets to pick up a bad contract and the #13 for the #10. The statement was that he hasn’t done this yet because “he thinks he can do better”. So let this get the creative juices going. #10 gets us ahead of Indy, and almost certainly to Augustin. If he thinks he can do better, and gets to #7, that gets us to Alexander and one or more of the other guards out there. Yes, it is getting interesting.
by Eben Calder on Jun 25, 2008 5:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nets contracts
1. VC $15.2 million – signed through 10/11
2. RJ $13.2 million – signed through 10/11
3. Devin Harris $7.8 million – signed through at least 11/12
either 1 or 2 would have to be for packages including RLEC and young player.
The Nets want to clear cap space for the LeBron sweepstakes of 2010. However, they actually have to have some talent on board for LBJ to even consider signing there. VC is old already, and won’t be any younger in 2 years, so I could see them wanting to dump him. RJ probably too. But why dump Devin Harris? He is the ONLY young-ish guy they have going for them.
by douglast on Jun 25, 2008 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
That’s a really interesting rumor. Is there a link to the source? You might want to put this one on the rumor page that Dave started.
by PoliSam on Jun 25, 2008 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this option
Picking up Augustin at #10 and a bad contract from the Nets, in exchange for our #13 and either Jack, Frye, Webster or Outlaw.
Then use #27 and 3 2nd rounders as pieces to acquire a vet PG or PF.
Or keep #27 to pick up CDR. He is a steal that low in the 1st round.
by LMA on Jun 26, 2008 3:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
another thought about the #27
The Blazer’s could be targetting a guy who could fall into the 20s. If we have the #27 pick, and the draft comes around to say, #22 and our guy is there, we can offer 27 and a 2nd rounder or two to move up 5 spots and grab our guy.
This move just gives us that option (along with a ton of other options).
by douglast on Jun 25, 2008 8:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
#27
i like CDR. he reminds me of a thicker rip hamilton. runs off screens and has a supreme mid range game
BLAZERNATION!!!!
by wiseblazer on Jun 25, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft Strategy: Acquisition is for a trade, not a draft pick
Though Pritch must, by definition, have a back-up pick in mind for #27, it makes no strategic sense whatsoever to advertise a need for a specific pick here; when you want a particular guy you go for him during the draft, not two days before. This means the only real value to this acquisition - in contrast to the late-1st round acquisitions in ‘07 and ‘08 - is to package it with other assets to move up (or far more likely) out of this draft in an effort to gain legitimately true talent.
by blazerwizard on Jun 25, 2008 9:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
this is by far the most likely scenario.
My other thought above is only really plausible if there is some other completely seperate deal that gets made that sees us sending out 3-4 players+picks in exchange for 1 or 2 guys back. We can then use the 27 (possibly moving up slightly) to pick up a body to fill in the gaps.
For example, if we traded Frye, Outlaw, and the #13 for Devin Harris, then we can use the 27 to pick up a backup PF like Hickson (using 33/35 and/or cash to move up slightly if need be)
by douglast on Jun 25, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is such a bad trade propostion.....
don’t even trade outlaw for devin harris..from what i’ve seen, nothing he has done has blown me away.
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 25, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im not proposing it, thought others have
I’m illustrating the point that if some deal like that went down, we could be thin at the backup PF position (or backup SF if Jones opts out, and Martel is moved).
This move to 27 could then be utilized as a way to get a rookie who can fill our a roster spot and compete for backup time at the 3 or 4.
by douglast on Jun 25, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's all fine and good....just leave outlaw out of it. He has 10x the potential of harris
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 25, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade
Harris for Outlaw in a millisecond. Absolutely…...
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jun 25, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess you didn't see Harris get owned by Baron Davis in the playoffs a year back..
fact is, Harris can’t hang with bigger guards. I don’t understand how everybody is touting his defense…Deron Williams will own him…CP3 will own him….he is not the answer….Is he serviceable? Sure..But he is not the point guard of the future…So why trade outlaw for him….....I’m sure KP knows this….
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 25, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait...guess we're on the same page
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 25, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, we're not
I want Harris in a Blazer uni…......he’s perfect for our team.
Oh, and I watched that entire series and Harris absolutely wasn’t the problem with the Mavs.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jun 25, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I estimate that 95% of Blazer fans would trade Outlaw for Harris, and 75% would trade Frye, Outlaw, and #13 for Harris
Including Kevin Pritchard on both accounts.
Outlaw seems to have reached or has come close to reaching his potential.
Harris is an elite Point Guard in this league.
Outlaw’s offense isn’t as impactful as Harris’s halfcourt game and defense.
I could go on and on, but when it comes down to it, if offered Harris for Frye, Outlaw, and the #13, I would think hard about it, but in the end I would take Harris
by Kelsoballa on Jun 25, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a bit of a stretch....
....trading outlaw would be a sad day. Me, and all my friends would be upset..even if it was for devin harris…
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 26, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said you'd wouldn't be upset
Fans may be sad about it, but they’d still do it. Maybe less than that now that we got Bayless
by Kelsoballa on Jun 27, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Paul would own chris paul
Kobe Bryant owns other players.
You’re talking elite and elite players don’t get shut down.
Which one could then argue if Kobe was elite. I’d argue back that the Celtics have a better sense of team. I have a little more mercy for them shutting down LBJ now. I was pretty harsh on LBJ for that.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
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by ratbastird on Jun 25, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Baron Davis is the answer to guarding CP3???
The facts are that Harris is a much better defender than Baron and is one of the better defensive pg’s in the league. Harris is also a much better fit here in portland than Baron. Davis is a glorified chucker that looks really nice when playing Nellie ball. I like B-diddy a lot, but not on our team. Boom Dizzle’s main strength is scoring, the blazers dont need any more 20+ scorers.Aldridge, Roy, and eventually Oden should be plenty. We need a pg that does some of the other things, like defense. Please oh please KP, can we get Harris? That is option #1 in my book…
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jun 25, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Forget this Baron Davis nonsense. He’s not even an all-star.
Trade Freeland!
by rockingharder on Jun 25, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zing!
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by T Darkstar on Jun 25, 2008 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harris getting beat
By one of the best PG in the league on a team with no help defense means he’s better than Outlaw? I recall Outlaw getting owned by much less than Baron Davis.
by PoliSam on Jun 25, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KP IS SUCH A G!
I have said it all along
:)
-Sophia
That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic
by BlazerFan1 on Jun 25, 2008 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With the #27th pick the Portland Trailblazers select...CDR!
You just got Pritchslapped!
by RoyDrexler on Jun 25, 2008 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One of Many Pritchslap Formulae
(SPAM + (New Orleans-27th Pick)) * (CD-R + (Teabag – Oswegian Pride)) = PRITCHSLAPPED
FOIL it out, yo.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Jun 25, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
If I could hear, just ONCE, Mike Rice say “Smile, you’re on a Pritchslap!” during the draft it would do a lot for resolving the cringe I get when an old man talks smack like a 9-year-old playing NBA Live.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Jun 25, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First Outer Inner Last
I can dig this.
"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow
by Lizzy Lowblow on Jun 25, 2008 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the 27h pick
why wouldn’t we believe that KP has another European player in mind ….. one who is not expected to last into the 2nd round? Not much different than the Sergio and Rudy thing. That makes sense since if we ended up having no roster room ; just let him marinate overseas for awhile.
by TwoDeep on Jun 25, 2008 2:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to think
we won’t be seeing a whole lot of late first round euro picks anymore.
The problem is, if they are good enough to be in the NBA, they can demand a lot of money in Europe. A LOT. But if they were picked in the late first round, they can’t get much here. Which means that there is a huge financial disincentive to coming over.
Some, like Rudy, who are sure they will make it, will come anyway, and he’ll get rich in a few years, and in the meantime make a lot on endorsements, perhaps. The guys picked higher, like Gallinari will be this year, will still make a nice chunk of money. But at 27, the salary is so low compared to what an NBA-ready player will make in Europe, that a lot of them will probably never come over.
Picking a Euro at #27 runs a huge risk of completely throwing away the pick because the guy simply won’t come. Much better to grab him at the beginning of the second round, so you can actually pay him what he’s worth.
I think we can expect to see some really quality Euros picked early in the second round, because the risk of getting them at #20 or later will discourage teams from going that route.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on Jun 26, 2008 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone in mind.
Ibaka will be gone before 27. So will Ajinca. However, there are other players, and just as KP found Fernandez at 25, he’s probably got someone in mind. At that position, everything is a matter of scouting.
by Eben Calder on Jun 26, 2008 6:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I assume the pick is part of a trade, but that KP has someone in mind whom he can grab if things fall through. Remember, GMs don’t value picks – they value players. There is no reason to trade unless you’re targeting a player and going after him.
Trade Freeland!
by rockingharder on Jun 26, 2008 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any idea what they did with the pick?
<-;-)
by tominhawaii on Jun 27, 2008 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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