Rumor: #13 + RLEC for #5 + Cardinal

by kennetha on Jun 23, 2008 10:51 AM PDT Comment 60 comments

Chad Ford floated this one in his mock draft today:

Blazers send the No. 13 pick and the expiring contract of Raef LaFrentz to Memphis for No. 5, Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins.

This would essentially kill our cap space next year as Cardinal's contract is one year longer than Raef's.

Pick #5 would sure be attractive (Bayless?), but wouldn't we rather give up some combination of Travis/Martell/Channing/Jack instead of RLEC? Especially in light of Dave's post today.

Let's discuss...

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Do this deal?

Yes

84 votes

No

50 votes

Yes, but trade young guns instead of RLEC

15 votes

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No, that works better

The FAs are very unappealing for the capspace period. If KP gets the players (can we stop calling them pieces to a puzzle, they’re actually players of a game), why would we need that space? Who else should we be getting? This way, we can sign or cut the three in Dave’s post without any added pressure.

I like this trade. Cap space is lame. We have our players already, and if we can add the PG in the draft, I’d be happier than a trade or FA signing. FAs suck after they get their contract anyway.

KP is a master drafter (Aldridge, Roy, Fernandez, would have been Paul)

His trades haven’t yet been as good (Frye, Wafer, Francis, yes I realize we got better, but not Roy, Aldridge better.

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by hobobob on Jun 23, 2008 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Frye

The trade to get Frye was seriously addition by subtraction. Zbo was a poison for the team, and now that he’s gone, the PTB are so much better and more fun to watch. He had to go. This was my favorite trade in all of history.

by 50backflips on Jun 23, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

and I still maintain that Frye is a “LOOK OUT” player in the future. He was untouchable in new yuck for a reason.

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by ratbastird on Jun 23, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would rather trade Webster than Frye.

Sorry, but that’s just how I feel. How hard is it to find a slightly above average SF in this league? There are probably 40-50 guys who would do as well or better than Webster in his spot. There might be 20 guys that could fill Frye’s shoes.

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by Winchester on Jun 23, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree Winchester, Frye has more value than Web in this scenario

dont feel sorry for saying what you think or feel. I got your back too.

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by bow4meow on Jun 23, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We also got James Jones...

and my favorite spaniard, Rudy Fernandez. Frye, Rudy, and J. Jones for Zach, Dickau, and F. Jones is looking better and better as time goes on…

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Jun 23, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Remember

remember, remember: the Ny trade got us an exception which we used to take James Jones off of Phoenix’s hands, which was why they sold us the #24 pick, which we used to get Fernandez. If Fernandez blows up in this league, than this trade will have made us Roy/Aldridge better. Players are also only one way to look at it; cap space is equally important, and moving Zach was the cap equivalent of landing the number one pick last year.

In fairness to the Von Wafer trade, that was to shore up our shooters, and Green was the most expendable, given the number of PGs we had.

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by supremepuntiff on Jun 23, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We traded for a pick

which is why I want him to trade for a pick. KP is magic in the draft. THAT IS WHERE WE GOT FERNANDEZ

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by hobobob on Jun 23, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Without the New York trade last year

We don’t get Rudy. This trade could be seen as one of the best trades in franchise history.

I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

by JAB21 on Jun 23, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here is all you need about the

Randolph trade:

NY has talked to Philly to give them Randolpoh and the 6th for Reggie Evans and the 16th. So in order to shed his salary and get him off the team NY is willing to slide 10 places in the draft in order to do so. The best part is that Philly declined the deal as they did not want to take on his contract.

by SpyderRyder on Jun 23, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This makes so sense at all.

“KP is a master drafter (Aldridge, Roy, Fernandez, would have been Paul) His trades haven’t yet been as good (Frye, Wafer, Francis, yes I realize we got better, but not Roy, Aldridge better.”

Umm… Bear in mind, we didn’t draft ANY of those guys. Aldridge was drafted by the Bulls, Roy by Minnesota, and Rudy by Phoenix.

Actually, ALL of our good pieces have come in trades, save Oden (which was luck, not KP).

Wherever you go, there you are.

by Majikj0n on Jun 23, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

All in draft related trades

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by hobobob on Jun 23, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You can't have it both ways...

You can’t say he has a poor history of making trades, and then hold up examples of players that all came as a result of trades. Yes, he recognized that the players were good, and would have drafted them. But without the trades that gave him the picks, that recognition would have been moot.

I think this says he’s pretty good at BOTH tasks.

Also, I saw no mention of James Jones, who DID play for Phoenix before we traded for him. He’s worked out pretty well, IMO.

Wherever you go, there you are.

by Majikj0n on Jun 23, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

also, how many NBA games did Aldridge and Roy play

before they were Blazers? Did he recognize their veteran talent? Am I saying to draft with the #5 pick without making a trade? That makes no sense. This scenario is EXACTLY like the others.

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by hobobob on Jun 23, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is not really how it works

my understanding is that the trades are in place before the pick and then the team who wants the pick tells the team with the pick who to draft. This is all to get around the not trading picks in consecutive years rule.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 23, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Frye trade

netted Frye, and a trade exception which enabled the james Jones deal, having got james Jones, KP was able to use cash to get Fernandez.

He also cleared lots of cap space.

It’s a mistake to see that trade as Randolph for Frye, it was much more than that.

by raoulduke on Jun 23, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

someone already else made these points,,,should read everything first....

by raoulduke on Jun 23, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No more picks

As much as I enjoyed playing GM while the Blazers rebuilt the team, it’s time to stop getting more talent to develop and start developing the talent we already have, or trade some of that potential talent for proven ability.

Even if we picked at #13, that player would never get a chance to sniff the floor this season. The same would likely be true of the #5 pick. Add to that the dead-wood Cardinal & Collins) we’d be taking on and I’ll pass.

By sending out our #13 pick and a couple players, we should be able to acquire proven veteran ability, easing the rotation burden, and allowing our core group to accelerate their development.

by Steve The Hedge on Jun 23, 2008 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Depends

on whether or not someone really caught KP’s eye in the draft. Not knowing what other deals are out there, IF there is a player he wants and we need to move up this far in the draft, I could see this trade happening. Yeah, we bring on Collins and Cardinal, buut… Collins comes off the books at the end of the year, and Cardinal is only 6.7mil next year, which is his last year, making him an expiring contract. One angle not discussed yet in terms of us signing free agents is a sign-and-trade scenario; most assumptions I’ve read talk about straight up bidding. Cardinal’s contract might be useful as a contingency (though I’m not sure what scenario plays out where this happens, but it is worth noting, I think). Essentially, it is LaFraentz for a possibly useful trade chip/not too enormous expiring contract (less space than an RFA, if anything) to move up 8 spots in our last high picking draft in a while (barring a saavy/lucky trade). Again, it depends on if there is someone we absolutely want, but it sounds like a good deal.

ALSO: keep in mind a #5 pick would be a great trade piece, and could be an intermediate step to get what we want from someone else, as we probably could not snag a quality/veteranish starter with Raef and #13, but may be able to do so with #5 and one of the other young guns (Jack, Frye, etc.).

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by supremepuntiff on Jun 23, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is crazy.

I just can’t see why people are not voting for the deal as is:

If KP could pull this off we would be set for our dynasty. I hate the fact that Ford even mentioned it as once Memphis fans get a hold of this they will be up in arms about it. In fat read this:

http://grizzlies.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/880608174/m/6881039552

It would of been better to of kept it quiet and announced it on the day of the draft so that no one could think about it and change their minds, granted it has not been official, but this is a steal of Gasolian proportions.

1. We are moving up 8 spots for a player who plays less than either Cardinal or Collins and the 13th

2. You are right in the fact that we have no use for the 13th pick so we ship him out and get a player who has a far greater chance to come in and contribute off the bat, Roy was a 6th pick.

3. We do not need immediate help as we were a borderline playoff team last year and we will still have Blake to work him through the rough spots.

4. Collins and his $6.5mill expire the same time as Raefs, subtracting only $6mill off our capspace play which is bunk anyway IMO

5. In the post a while ago about RLECs value, we need to hit it right now, while there is percieved value, as when the trade deadline comes there are some many out there, teams will have their pick and it will dilute the value of the EC, which would make it more profitable to move it early rather than wait til the last minute.

by SpyderRyder on Jun 23, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

you nailed it

i can’t believe only 55% of the people here voted yes. This is insane. This deal is a no brainer. If this is on the table, we should do it now.

by douglast on Jun 23, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If this is for real...

the league will be so mad at the Grizz GM. First helping the L*kers become a contender for 4 or 5 years, then helping Portland get another piece to start a dynasty.

If KP has someone picked out to be that difference maker, he’s got to make this move. I do think that there is another move out there for a vet. And maybe one of these contracts are part of the second deal to make salaries match.

by parkinglotj on Jun 23, 2008 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

LINK?

Please link the article you are referrencing.

by usmcr3049 on Jun 23, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

ESPN Mock Draft 6.0

http://tinyurl.com/65abft

Read the commentary under the Blazer’s pick.

by kennetha on Jun 23, 2008 11:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think it kills the cap space

I’m not 100% sure but isn’t RLEC about 13 million next year, whereas this Cardinal fellow is making the same, but over 2 years. So it would be 6.5 million per year assuming its evenly distributed.

Grabbing the 5th pick might be the only sure way to get Westbrook at this point and that might not even be enough. Seattle may pick him at number 4.

I’m reluctant to do this trade.

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by Magnum on Jun 23, 2008 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Collins $6.5 expires the same times as Raefs.

Cardinal only subtracts $6mill from the CSP.

PEOPLE WE ARE ONLY LOSING RAEF AND THE 13TH HERE FOR A SHOT AT A HIGH TOP 10 PICK!!

We only lose $6mill in our CSP, we get our pick of Westbrook, Gordon, Augustin or possibly Bayless, and we still have Jack for trading purposes.

Why is everybody freaking out abou losing a measly $6mill in cap space next summer while adding a top 5 pick?

I have been against adding another max contract person anyway as that would blow our chemistry out of the water. “Max” as he will be known will come in ripe with a brand new $16mill contract and either 2 things will happen: he want to show that he has earned it, or he will just take his $$ and play the best he can, either way that does not bode well for us as

1. He will come in and try to do too much disrupting the chemistry that we have fought to cultivate for so hard the past few years, scoring 20ppg, and 10apg or rpg.

2. He will come in and not disrupt the chemistry and he will score 12ppg, 5rpg, 5apg and will be getting paid $16mill to do it, making him vastly overpayed.

So either way to me it is a lose/lose situation. Better to bring in a suler role player at about $7-9mill, a guy like Battier who is a D specialist who can shoot. He will come much cheaper, fit in with the team better, and work out better in the long run overall.

Remember people we tried the “lets get a bunch of stars and throw $$ at them and they will win us a championship” plan and it got us game 7 2000 WCF. We need to grow this team from the roots up with players that have been schooled in the Blazer mantra of culture, if we do this right we will have a dynasty rather than a team that chokes in game 7. We have stars in place and we simply need someone to fit in with what we are trying to do so even if we burnt all of our cap space I would be fine with that if we could get a good pg.

by SpyderRyder on Jun 23, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Yes!

Thank you for keeping our collective feet on the ground. I agree this is a great deal. Which probably means it’s not true.

by kennetha on Jun 23, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we trade for Cardinal

That 6 million he is getting should be going to Webster or Frye. That is why this deal sucks. We end up with a skank sitting on the end of the bench and all we end up with is a dumb rookie with rookie head lice. We also lose someone we care about, while some loser takes up a roster spot of a true Portland Trail Blazer. Everyone thinks draft picks are the second coming of Christ.

This deal is not a Pritchslap. It’s KP being dominated by Memphis. If he did this deal, he’d have to take Dave’s e-mail address and Chris Wallace would have to get one that is blazerdom@yahoo.com.

Come help me celebrate June 26th - Flush The Trades Away Day.

by tominhawaii on Jun 23, 2008 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

IMO Webster should be traded,

he has not improved at all over the past 3 years on a per 36min basis. I do not feel that he fits into our team and will never be an important player. Frye will probably sign a cheaper contract than Frye and since when has PA ever held back on paying his players? We have both of their rights anyway and it doesnt matter if we are over the cap.

KP has shown time and time again that he is the best drafter out there, and with a top 5 pick he can set the precedent and control the draft and get any player that he wants. No one thought that Roy was going to be as good as he is, same with LMA. The 2006 draft is supposedly shaping up much like this one as there are a few great prospects and the rest of the lotto picks are all ofer the place.

We got the two best players i the draft in 2006 and you have seen how far they have gotten us, and if we have the chance to get a 5th for chump change, I have full faith in KP that he can find a player that will be able to come in and provide us with a great player. Yeah the darft may be a “weaker” one but that increases the need to get a higher draft pick, so that you can get that impact player and dictate who you want to get, rather than sit back at 13 and wait for our turn to pick a player who is not what we want.

by SpyderRyder on Jun 25, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well then

Can someone explain to me how KP has been preaching about cap space for two freaking years and then he’s going to waste it on Brian Cardinal?

Hey free agent, join our team to play with Brian Fricken Cardinal.

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by tominhawaii on Jun 25, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Memphis is talking to everyone

Under the Memphis pick Ford wrote “The latest buzz has the Knicks talking to Memphis about a deal that would send David Lee and the expiring contract of Malik Rose to Memphis for No. 5 and Cardinal.”

He also wrote that Portland has tried to get the third pick – I wonder who they were targeting at that spot. (Or would they have used it in another trade – say to Miami who apparently would be happy to take Mayo at three?)

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by jorga on Jun 23, 2008 11:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Sorry

I didn’t realize that the 3rd pick discussion has already taken place (and fallen off the first page.) No need to rehash…

If it keep on Tradin', the Team gonna break - BlueBooYay 6/21/08

by jorga on Jun 23, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This latest mock drtaft

really changed things up.
I think it would be crazy for Seattle to take wetbrook, i would take him, but not that high, it will be a bad decision, just like conley at #4 last season.
If we dont get westbrook, im not very intrested in other guards like bayless and augustine. I would prefer to go after a vetran like Hinrich.

by raging WebTed on Jun 23, 2008 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

maybe the sonics draft Westbrook

just to sting us one more time before they get jettisoned out of the PNW

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by bow4meow on Jun 23, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

My bad, didn't see this fanpost

Pasted from a different post:

I say do it now. I think having the #5 pick is better than what we’ll get on the free agent market with cap space. Plus, Jason Collins can’t hurt for some fouls and rebounds when Oden and Pryzbilla are hurt or in foul trouble. We can hope that terrible contract would be worth something when it becomes BCEC but we’d probably just have to take that hit until it expires. Just one more year. We wouldn’t be in great cap space position that symmer but we won’t need to be.

by amitp06 on Jun 23, 2008 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

This trade would rock.

We’d get the player of our choice in the draft (likely a PG), and we would still preserve most of our cap space. Cardinal is only on the books for 6.75 million in 09-10. If we wanted to renounce some of our free agents this next summer like Dave said, we would still have plenty of cap space to sign someone. Furthermore, we could still put together a package of young talent (Jack, Martell, Frye) to go after a true blue chipper at SF. This trade would be a coup.

Like I said when the Blazers announced they turned down a Memphis offer awhile back for Outlaw and the #13 … I wouldn’t be surprised to see something happen with them. Trade rumors usually aren’t correct when it comes to specifics, but they’re usually based on some truth that teams are talking to each other, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this had legs.

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by bfan on Jun 23, 2008 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh ... and having Cardinal around ...

Would make it easier to stomach trading Frye. Outlaw could be LMA’s primary backup, and Cardinal would bring some grit and hustle to that end of the bench position. He played Big 10 ball at Purdue and isn’t afraid to mix it up. You certainly don’t want him playing big minutes, but better to send him into the game when you want to send a message than Raef …

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by bfan on Jun 23, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If this trade happend

I’d ban myself from BE out of disgust over a crappy trade and the betrayal of KP’s trust. It won’t happen because there is a reason it is a rumor. It also won’t happen because everything KP has said to us, up to this point regarding cap space and culture, would have been a lie.

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by tominhawaii on Jun 23, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

do we have the roster spots for that many guys?

we still would have the 3 second round picks…

We don't NEED the draft. -Mortimer 6/18

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 23, 2008 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

the 3 2nd round picks don't need roster spots

they’ll either be traded, used on Euro-stash, or never make the team.

by douglast on Jun 23, 2008 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pass

Why do this? Because the #5 pick in this draft is assured of being a star? Um, no.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jun 23, 2008 12:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Actually there is a 38% chance.

Add to that we are trading a player that only plays 7mpg and the 13th pick whick has a 21% chance of becoming a star. In fact of the lottery picks the 5th pick actually has the 4th highest likelyhood of becoming a “star.”

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Eight-Rules-for-Draft-Night-Success-Let-History-Guide-2934/

by SpyderRyder on Jun 23, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't believe Memphis would do this

They are sabotaging their own team. NBA would kick them out of the league.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Jun 23, 2008 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Yep

This deal is so onesided, that I assumed Ford left something out… that some other Blazers HAS TO BE involved. If the Grizzlies would actually do this, Oh My!

by PoliSam on Jun 23, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If KP was sure he'd be getting the "next Brandon Roy" at this spot

then I would say go ahead and do it. Here’s why:

1. Who wouldn’t want the next Brandon Roy?
2. We will still be at only 36.5 million for cap space in 2009, plenty far under the cap to still sign somebody (see Dave’s post on main page).
3. Draft day excitement!
4. Pritch-slapping excitement!
5. We still have Jack/Web/Frye trade pieces.
6. We can buy out Collins’ last year if we need the roster spot.

I also thought RELC can’t be traded until after July 1st, so the teams would have to draft for each other. Per RealGM:

“LaFrentz is in the last non-exercisable year of his contract and cannot be traded. However, next season is currently an early termination option and if is not exercised, then the player can be traded.”

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by Blazerholic on Jun 23, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Take the deal

This would be the Pritchslaps of all Pritchslaps. Wow.

We could take a player at five… or trade up to anywhere in the 2-3-4 range to get whatever player we have targeted, sans Rose.

Then, we could take Webster, Jack, and Frye, and along with our picks, turn them into another lottery pick… The second round picks could become a first and we could buy a first… Martell + 2 mid-late firsts = late lottery?

We could conceivably add Bayless, Westbrook, Alexander, Mayo, Gordon, etc, for a six million dollar difference in cap space in the summer of ‘09.

This would be a steal.

by bleedingblackandred on Jun 23, 2008 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

RLEC?

Raef LaFrentz Exhumed Corpse?
We can TRADE THAT?

by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 23, 2008 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I like it but

who do you want at 5? I guess we could reach on westbrook a little, but it seems we are too far out to get my favorite in Mayo, but it seems like good value none the less

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 23, 2008 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

That's easy...

5 + Webster for #3
;)

by kennetha on Jun 23, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wha?!

I don’t want to fan any flames, but check this out…

Henry Abbot says “I’m getting e-mail from readers in Portland every few minutes claiming this is already done, but am assured that is not so”.

Who are these people emailing him? It wasn’t me!

Here’s the link:
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-32-345/Monday-Bullets.html

by kennetha on Jun 23, 2008 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I really hope

This goes thru so we can get Bayless..
Rose, Beasley, Mayo, Lopez/Westbrook

I also really hope we dont draft Westbrook. I am not sold on him at all. I see a solid role player.

by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 23, 2008 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think if they go that high, they'll take alexander.

Dunno why, just a hunch.

by raoulduke on Jun 23, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry: it won't be Raef

I do not believe that this trade can go through with Raef. It works fine under the collective bargaining agreement even though their is an enormous disparity in contracts due to the Griz being under the cap. However the reason for this trade is so that the Griz can save money. I don’t see how they save money by trading someone with 13 million over 2 years for someone owed 13 million next year (Raef). Since they are already under the salary cap, I don’t see why they would be doing this to clear cap a season early. What this leads me to believe is that either Travis Outlaw or Steve Blake will be in the trade as both of them have expiring contracts of approximately 4 million dollars with team options. As the Griz already have 3 young promising point guards I have trouble seeing us trading Blake to them, even though that would likely make since for the Blazers if Bayless, Mayo, Westbrook, or Gordon is the pick. I see it being Travis Outlaw, who would be an improvement over Warrick, and would give them two super athletic front court players (Rudy Gay at the 3, Travis 4). It would also make more sense from a talent standpoint if we were trading Travis to them as it would be a more even trade that way. Another thing to keep in mind, is in this theoretical situation of the Blazers trading Travis, would that mean that the target is Joe Alexander? It will certainly be interesting to see what the Blazers do this draft whether it is this trade or something totally unexpected.

by TFan on Jun 23, 2008 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I may be wrong

But my understanding is that Cardinal and Collins EACH get about $13 over 2 years. So Memphis trades $26M for $13M.

by kennetha on Jun 23, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope that is how Mem see it

as that is not true

Collins: $6.2 in 08-09
Cardinal: $6.3 and 6.75 in 08-09 and 09-10 respectively

But I like where your head is at:

Pssst pass it on, we can start an internet rumor that this is a good deal for Mem…....

by SpyderRyder on Jun 23, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was wrong

Collins is expiring. So Memphis is trading $19M to get $13M back.

by kennetha on Jun 23, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the mock draft

In the mock draft Ford only says Cardinal, so I am not sure where Henry Abbot is getting his information. I am sure that he has a much closer relationship to Chad Ford and other sources than my non-existent one, but I was just writing from the Ford rumor. If Collins was involved it certainly would make financial sense for the Griz without effecting the Blazers cap space too much.

by TFan on Jun 23, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs