Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Knicks Beat Lakers With Familiar Strategy

Ridiculously Stupid Trade?

I know that a lot of us here are glad we didn't draft the 'stache,  but what about trading to get the 'stache (and the number 9 pick)? 

In reviewing Ford's Mock Draft, he indicated that the Bobcats are looking for a big man who can play some center.  I know Frye played the 5 for some periods during the summer.  What if we did this:

Traded to the Bobcats:  Jack, Frye, and #13 pick.

Traded to Blazers:  Morrison and #9 pick.

It seems like a lot to give up to move up four spots and makes us a bit heavy on the SF (wiithout really establishing a dominant player - just a lot of potential).  If we drafted a PG, we would have 4 on the roster so another move would need to be made. 

That might allow a secondary trade of say Jack or Sergio for Seattle's second first round pick and a trade exception (they have several).   Thoughts?

Comment 27 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Morrison: "And when I get to the NBA, more people will cry."

He didn’t know then that he was talking about the Bobcats owner, GM, and fans.

"I woke up this morning, Barbosa and eggs in my bed." --BlueBooYay

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

pretty fair

the contracts match up… and the picks do too. the only question is whether Westbrook or Augustine will be there at 9. DJ most definitely will, but Westbrook might go as early as 6 or 7. but if Westy falls to 9, I’d totally pull the trigger on this trade.

by futurenba23 on Jun 22, 2008 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

DJ i snagged by the knicks

no way he is there as he’s the second best point in the draft.

We’ll see. I’ll eat a whole bowl full of ice cream if I’m wrong. I’m that sure.

"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned

by ratbastird on Jun 24, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

The ‘Stache is useless until proven otherwise, so we better be absolutely in love with someone available at #9 to make this deal.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jun 22, 2008 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Bobcats

would not do this though, they are probably not ready to give up on morrison who was injured all last year, just like were not letting GO go. And they probably wouldnt even want Frye that much.

by raging WebTed on Jun 22, 2008 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

True, it doesn't cost them much to keep Morrison this year

and see what he’s got. The problem is that the Bobcats saw what he had in his rookie season, and it wasn’t pretty. If they could get Martell as a replacement, I’ll bet they’d jump at it, unless they are more in love with one of the lottery draftees.

"I woke up this morning, Barbosa and eggs in my bed." --BlueBooYay

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

That trade is a huge gamble.

Adam Morrison has already been labeled a bust by anyone who knows anything. Of course, no one knows as much as they think they know, and everyone has been wrong before (I was even wrong once). moving up up four spots is not that big of an advantage for playing Russian Roulette with an automatic firearm (to pun AmMo horribly and distastefully).

Sure Westbrook and Augustine look pretty good, but dang, not that good. Westbrook is overrated, in my opinion, and Augustine is too short. And as they say, you can’t teach height. I’d rather take a flyer on Chalmers, since we wouldn’t have to give up any of our actual players to get him. I hear Orlando wants some second rounders for their first….

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

Chaplain of the Jarrett Jack Fan Club

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on Jun 22, 2008 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

No, Darkstar!

You shouldn’t have said that you’ve never been wrong, because up to that point, you weren’t!

"I woke up this morning, Barbosa and eggs in my bed." --BlueBooYay

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

There was one time.

Just once, but it cost Jscot his entire budget for ruling the world.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

Chaplain of the Jarrett Jack Fan Club

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on Jun 22, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

How does that make you wrong?

Whoever we draft may turn out to be the REAL #1 pick. It will take a few years to know. That’s good, because it means if you can’t be proven wrong, then no one can say you are fallible.

I don’t see how your being wrong cost jscot his budget, but don’t explain it to me. I’m afraid of the links TiH might post.

"I woke up this morning, Barbosa and eggs in my bed." --BlueBooYay

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

As usual

he’s overrating his importance.

Besides, world rulers don’t actually need a budget.

The only thing it cost was his dream of making financial secretary in my administration. In my compassion, I will never put someone in such a position who makes mistakes. I hate liquidations, and would not want them to be made necessary….

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jun 23, 2008 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I didn't overrate my importance,

it is unlikely that I would have any at all. And not having any steps all over my fragile ego. I greatly prefer to assuage myself with grandiose aspirations, and as a result, I will continue to believe that I am your financial secretary whether or not that is the reality. Some may call that insanity, but I call it job security.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

Chaplain of the Jarrett Jack Fan Club

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

You might believe that

but faith without works is dead. Until you can actually figure out a way to act upon this belief, your fragile ego (what a load of hogwash!) is likely to be stepped upon repeatedly. It seems about as likely that your poor ego will break as it is that mine will.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jun 24, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont get the bust label

He had a poor to mediocre first year and then was injured all of last year. I dont think he will ever outplay the like of Brandon Roy, Randy Foye, and Rudy Gay, but I think he has a good chance to be a Korver or a Kerr in this league. Dont hate on the player hate on the hype machine that tried to sell us the next Larry Bird

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 22, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Augustine will grow his afro

no one will see over him.

His long arms make up for his other height issues…. and then he rocks the league.

"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned

by ratbastird on Jun 24, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

MHO

Aldridge might turn out to be injury prone (though I hope not, knock on wood). Frye looks like he’s ready to break out. Frye likes it hear and is willing to come off the pines. To me that equals = DON’T TRADE FRY.

by Blazersaurus on Jun 22, 2008 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I like this trade if we send Martell instead of Channing

Dave’s already explained in his Friday post about the contract situation with Martell. If they want to make room for an impact free agent next summer, Morrison’s rookie contract is cheap and will expire this summer with a team option to extend it one more year.

I’m with Blazersaurus: I like Frye!

My only concern about the #9 pick is whether Augustin, Westbrook, or Alexander will still be around by then.

"I woke up this morning, Barbosa and eggs in my bed." --BlueBooYay

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2008 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

But against me in that I'm not sure I want to trade Webster

I want one of them saucy point guards but I just cant see riding out Martell one more year to see if he really starts to gel as an NBA player. If he’s giving 110 and doing what he’s asked then… well let us open our Blazerbibles to chapter 12 verses 7-9. “And so did Traitor Bob send away young Jermain for an aging all-star just beforeth he could showeth his promise. And he, so recently signed to an inexpensive long term deal, did become one with the heavens himself in the Eastern Conference sky with many All-Star appeaarances of his own.”

Verily I say unto you, shouldeth we trade our youngling well bodied child just three years after drafting him?

I have yet to be convinced.

by Blazersaurus on Jun 22, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen Brother
8

"Always Willing, Ever Able" - rivbike.com
"If you don't want to get banged. Don't go in there" - Van Gundy

by BlueBooYay on Jun 22, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here here

Preach it!

I am the master of my fate, I am the Captain of my soul. - Charles Wesley

by Earl on Jun 22, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Martell's and Jermaine's situations have little in common

Martell is turning into a solid player, which is probably his ceiling. Jermaine was busting the other bigs on the 1999 team in practices but couldn’t get into games because that team was so deep with star veterans. He became a star in Indy. Martell’s ceiling is probably Mike Miller or Matt Harpring.

Trader Bob deserves heat for a lot of things he did, but he really had no choice about trading Jermaine, who was beginning to grumble publicly about his lack of PT. That team had enough PT issues with everyone else that the last thing Blazers management wanted was Jermaine adding his voice to the chorus. Besides, Jermaine deserved a chance after five years with Portland. It was the right thing to do at the time.

Again, read Dave’s Friday post, Option 3. KP may have no choice but to deal Martell.

"I woke up this morning, Barbosa and eggs in my bed." --BlueBooYay

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do people criminally underrate Mike Miller?

Mike Miller v. Martell Webster (2007-2008 Season) ...

Player Efficiency Rating: Miller (16.18) > Webster (12.07)
Net On-Court/Off-Court +/- Production: Miller (+3.4) > Webster (-2.1)
Net Points Per 100 Possessions: Miller (+3.3) > Webster (-3.4)
True Shooting Percentage: Miller (62.5%) > Webster (54.8%);
Assists Per 48 Minutes: Miller (4.7) > Webster (2.0);
Assists Per Turnover: Miller (1.32) > Webster (1.08);
Rebounds Per 40 Minutes: Miller (9.1) > Webster (6.7);

A deal in which Webster, Channing Frye, Sergio Rodriguez, and Josh McRoberts are traded for Miller would, without a doubt in my mind, vastly improve the Portland Trail Blazers—and that’s that!

by AK1984 on Jun 23, 2008 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't say Miller is a bad player

He’s a solid player and starter, which is what I see Martell becoming someday. Maybe that’s exactly what we need him to be. It’s just that I think if we have a chance to grab the next Chris Paul (Ausgustin) or Gary Payton, it’s worth giving up Martell.

"I woke up this morning, Barbosa and eggs in my bed." --BlueBooYay

by MiledAnimal on Jun 23, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

82games

Is Ammo even on their stat site?

http://www.82games.com/0708/0708CHA.HTM doesn’t show him as being a member of the Bobcats at all. Strange. If we lost Webster in the trade, we’d have Outlaw starting at the 3. He’s a bit over-sized and Jones isn’t the player we want long-term, so that’d create a different problem.

by rmcdougall on Jun 22, 2008 10:09 PM PDT reply actions  

So long as Brook Lopez is still available with the 9th pick, the ...

Charlotte Bobcats wouldn’t make that trade. A frontline of Lopez and Emeka Okafor - who, for all intents and purposes, will most likely re-sign with the Bobcats - would create an outstanding defensive tandem down in the interior. Nazr Mohammed and Sean May would form satisfactory reserve frontcourt, too—especially in lieu of being starters.

Anyhow, the Portland Trail Blazers need to focus on solidifying the small forward position via a trade during this off-season. Martell Webster, Travis Outlaw, and James Jones are all role players - no matter how much hope some of y’all have for Webster and Outlaw - thus, they’re not the collective answer for a ballclub with title aspirations.

A trade whereby Webster, Channing Frye, Sergio Rodriguez, and Josh McRoberts are dealt to the Memphis Grizzlies for Mike Miller - who’s an amazingly efficient shooter, skilled playmaker, and solid rebounder for his position - could solidify the Blazers’ current quandry at small forward. Plus, it’d alleviate potential salary cap issues next year.

Regarding the point guard position, Kevin Pritchard must attempt to trade up for Russell Westbrook. Westbrook, who’s a lockdown perimeter defender and a versatile combo guard, would form a well-rounded backcourt alongside Brandon Roy. While Westbrook is a bit raw on offense, his deficiencies would be compensated by Roy.

However, it’d probably take something like the Blazers offering Outlaw, Jarrett Jack, and the 13th pick (e.g., Brandon Rush) to the Los Angeles Clippers for Tim Thomas and the 7th pick (i.e., Westbrook) to seal the deal. There’s worse backup power forwards out there than Thomas, though, while Outlaw is frequently overrated by several folks.

by AK1984 on Jun 23, 2008 5:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

The ultimate coverage and analysis of the Portland Trail Blazers.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
The Blazers Future Regarding Free Agent Signings
Small
Thunderous Manboobies
Img_0878_1__small
Why do we hate LaMarcus Aldridge?
Small
Oregonlive "journalists" 2 new posts...same old drivel
2474796688_7cdc78828f_o_small
Greg Oden Suffers Life-Ending Injury; Gets 3-Year Extension

Recent FanPosts

Small
The Blazers' Future Regarding Trades
Small
WHAT TO DO WITH NIC BATUM BECAUSE WE WILL LOSE HIM IF NOT TRADED.
Small
Trade that helps us out now and the future
Small
How can the All-Star game be more fun and competitive?
Small
Earl Boykins!
Small
LaMarcus Aldridge about to become the 10th highest scorer in Blazers franchise  history
Small
New trade that gets us a new point and a three point shooter
Small
Portland getting.....
Small
The Sun Behind the Clouds: Blazers still on track.

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recommended FanShots

It's pretty clear that the season is over already ;)
Double rainbow of sadness:

1) JBay is getting shorter
2) We never got to see him with a mustache

I miss you tiny raptor man.

via The Basketball Jones http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2012/02/09/things-of-note-for-february-9-2012/#more-34561
Blazers Broadcasters Mike Barrett and Mike Rice re-enacted NBA referee Scott Foster's controversial goaltending call on Portland Trail Blazers forward LaMarcus Aldridge, who was defending Oklahoma City Thunder All-Star forward Kevin Durant, during this week's edition of Blazers Courtside. Remarkably, no one was injured during the taping of this segment.

Original video of the play here. 
Quotes from the players and coaches here. 
The NBA admitting it got the call wrong here. 
Dave's  extended thoughts here. 
BlazersMakr's FanShot: Major Vegas action on OKC prior to tip here. 
Audio of Chad Doing of 750 AM The Game going HAM on Foster here.

OK, that should just about wrap up the goaltending discussion.

Courtside video via Blazers Broadcasting cameraman John Curry.

-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
In 2008 Tim Donaghy indicated that Scott Foster was a ref that also fixed games
Blazers Owner Paul Allen Ranked No. 3 American Philanthropist In 2011

Recent FanShots

Bill Simmons: Deron Williams To Dallas 'Is A Lock'
LaMarcus Aldridge Needs Support Around Him
LaMarcus Aldridge Finds Out He's An All-Star With His Teammates
Congratulations to Portland Trail Blazers forward LaMarcus Aldridge, on his first All Star selection.

As seen on www.trailblazers.com
AWoj: Aldridge an All Star
CRAZY stat from Houston game
NBA MVP Rankings... LMA @ #10
Celtics interested in Rondo - Gasol swap? ...

+ New FanShot All FanShots >


Editors

Kitten_small Dave

Headshotsmall_small Ben Golliver

Lead Moderators

Getfuzzy-satchel_small Timmay!

Bucky3_small Cablinasian

Authors

Plainlc_small Storyteller

Moderators

Lamb_small T Darkstar

Small douglast

Terryporter_small prezofdeath

Small usmcr3049

Lrg_magpie_small Corvid

Wallpaper_small geoffm