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Travis vs. Martell ...........

I have realized that there seems to be a growing support for Travis Outlaw to start at Small Forward next season. Why? I'd like to know why Outlaw would be a better starter then Webster. For the record, I rather have Martell start and Travis come off the bench.

1) Martell started last season and did well not great but a good start.

2) Web have already begun to develop chemistry on the court with Roy and Aldridge.

3) Plus we're going to need Martell's 3pt shooting to spread the floor for our post game. Travis is not likely to become a good enough shooter over the summer to help spread the floor. Not like Martell anyway.

4) We need Outlaw's scoring ability OFF THE BENCH alot more than we need it in the starting 5. Webster still isn't good enough to do that. We can't count on Rudy for that yet either.

5) And lastly, Webster should start over Outlaw because he is a better perimeter defender. He's quicker and a more determined defender.

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Travis can shoot

Travis can hit the corner 3 as well as Martell

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by HurraKane212 on Jun 20, 2008 5:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

...

He can hit the corner three, but Marty’s three is much more consistent.

by alexfoster on Jun 20, 2008 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marty

He sure isn’t the shooter i expected (I’m sure others as well) him to be. Especially if he’s wide open…......he seems to me to be very inconsistent, especially for a so called pure shooter. I agree, his shot is pretty, but pretty doesn’t always get the job done.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Jun 20, 2008 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish they could award half points for style or something

if they did that, there’d be no question that he’d score more. However, outlaw takes some stylish shots as well. Stylish because they’re retarded and he still makes them. It’s Mission Impossible stylish.

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by hobobob on Jun 20, 2008 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Outlaw scares me sometimes. I’m constantly screaming “What the f…......oh, he made it”.

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by iDea on Jun 20, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Outlaw hit a higher 3pt percentage than Webster.

Isn’t that what consistency is? It’s not as if Outlaw was shy in shooting them either.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 20, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually,

he did seem rather shy about shooting 3s. He didn’t shoot any in the first half of the season, only started to later after making a few shot clock forced shots.

You’re right. He did hit the higher percentage, and I think he’ll be a good three point guy in the future.

3s are all about the clutchness, right? Who’s more interested in making those big shots? Who’s more afraid to take them?

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by hobobob on Jun 20, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is a case of stats not telling the whole story

Sure, Travis shout a slightly higher percentage in this one past season. But he took 1/3 the attempts as well, which factors in. At the end of the day, I think you gotta like Martel’s chances at being a consistently more accurate volume 3-point shooter than Travis is. Travis is not a spot-up shooter, and does not have a classic 3-point stroke.

by douglast on Jun 20, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But not as good as Webman

Outlaw hit 40 3’s and Webman hit 123. That is a huge difference.

by VinnyB on Jun 20, 2008 6:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't matter who starts...

.......................... I’d keep both of them in heavy rotation. Who meshes better with Pryz on the white unit, that’s the key question.

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jun 20, 2008 8:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But we do know who FINISHES at SF...

.................................... Tell ‘em AnntheFan.

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jun 20, 2008 8:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

#25 :q

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jun 20, 2008 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what's funny

Is that I love Travis as much for his made baskets, as I do for his missed. He has the best missed dunks on YouTube. It’s funny to me, because it would never happen as the game winning shot, and it is funny that he keeps missing dunks. I love that.

PTLAPTA

by tominhawaii on Jun 20, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Outlaw can start on a regular basis

due to his asthma. When he did start a few games he became very tired.

I like him coming of the bench and finishing games.

by TallTimber on Jun 20, 2008 8:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That was at the beginning of the season

and he was out of shape compared to the other players.

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by ratbastird on Jun 20, 2008 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He started a few games late in the season...

and played well. But then for some reason he went back to the bench. Either Nate likes him coming off the bench better or he couldn’t sustain playing 35 minutes a night. Don’t me wrong, I like him alot. I just think he fits better coming off the bench. I grew up with the wheezing of asthma and will just always wonder about his stamina.

by TallTimber on Jun 20, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy

Rudy will most likely come off the bench, at least for a while. He’ll take Travis’s spot as the go to scorer in the second unit, which is why I think Nate liked having him off the bench, to provide the punch. Rudy will free Outlaw up to start possibly.

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by iDea on Jun 20, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leave Outlaw on the bench

and start James Jones at the 3. Problem solved.

by hiccough on Jun 20, 2008 9:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Webster

REasons:

1.) I he’s a shooter and helps spread the floor.
2.) He’s better at defense and we’ll want that as our pg and sg aren’t goign to be star stoppers.
3.) Travis didn’t do well as a starter and his low BBIQ could hurt us.
4.) Off the bench travis is a KILLER! He can back up PF and SF and lets us mix things up while keeping the second unit offensively strong. His low BBIQ doesn’t hurt as much.
5.) Off the bench Travis has more energy to expend in the fourth quarter letting the blazers dominate and close out games where other players are tired.
6.) Outlaws offense makes up for Pyz’s lack on the second unit.

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by ratbastird on Jun 20, 2008 10:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is what I think too

Even if Webster remains the same, I am much more confident in his BBIQ and how he FITS the 1st unit than I am Travis. Travis has never shown the ability to play with others who need shots as well, and until then, I wouldn’t make a trade that forces Outlaw to start.

This could be a mid-season trade, but not now. Outlaw has never shown he has what it takes to start and play with LMA/Oden/Roy. Martell, even if he never improves and just gets more experience (which I think is very unlikely), fits them a lot better.

And Outlaw’s asthma does bother him. I got his same asthma—he’s getting asthma attacks out there when his mouth is gaping open and he’s trying to breathe. It may bother him for a long time, and prevent him from playing more than 30 minutes a night. He’s SO GOOD off the bench though, and I don’t mind his negatives because he is great as a 6th man scorer, like the Microwave Vinny Johnson.

If Travis shows that he can play as a starter and mix well with our big 3, we can do this trade later on.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 20, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Even if

Webster remains the same, I much more confident…to start”.

This is the reason I like you, Morty. You take my thoughts and elaborate them over an 800-word treatise that leaves no room for disagreement (not that this is a particularly good example of the 800-word treatise point but still). And then I can sit there and wave a pom-pom and cheer without even having to type out my own thoughts because you are nicely transcribing them. That is greatly appreciated, sir.

by BlazersOrBust on Jun 21, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outlaw is a black hole that plays no defense

He’s wildly overrated by our fans.

Webs has an all star game or three in his future.

by BlazerD on Jun 20, 2008 10:44 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I completely agree

Hopefully one day Outlaw will realize that an “easy shot” is worth the same as a contested, fall-away, turn-around, one-hand, no-look jumper.

And for God sakes would he just dunk on someone already!!! He’s got like a 300” vertical or something, he’s 6’9” and has a good wing span. Why so many jumpers??? He should be throwing it down every other play!

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by Earl on Jun 20, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a bit harsh, but...

I pretty much agree. He’s a pretty good option as the primary scorer on our 2nd unit. His black-hole nature and low ability to find the open man don’t look so bad. But put him in the starting lineup, and they are a disaster.

So, unless he improves his BBIQ immensely, I don’t see how his game fits in with our team long-term in any way other than a 6th/7th man.

by douglast on Jun 20, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vets at SF Available.

Not if they got Gordon from Charlotte, who is apparently shopping him around. Right now, Prince, Gordon, Jefferson and Josh Howard are being mentioned as possibly trades. Not a bad group.

by Eben Calder on Jun 20, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who is Gordon?

I’m not quite sure who you mean, and I’m not trying to rip on ya…

Gordon the Bull, the SG? Gerald Wallace the SF/PF for Charlotte? Jason Richardson?

Am I forgetting another Gordon besides Ben or Eric?

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 20, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

O oh ohhh

I see. You mean we won’t need SHOOTING if we got Eric Gordon in the draft?

Sorry, was confused.

Morty-durr

by Mortimer on Jun 20, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

y'all are crazy....

what y’all don’t realize is Travis is a future all star in the making. there’s just no answer for a guy you can’t gaurd.. so far, i haven’t seen any one put a lock on him. Martel though, can’t say the same…

by BroyTheTruth on Jun 20, 2008 12:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Um

Yeah. No.

Travis might very well be a future star, but nothing he’s done yet makes that inevitable.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jun 20, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most the time

thay dont even really have to guard trout, he ruins it for himself. And do you really think he is that unstopable, for most the game he matches up with the bench, and they dont put their better defensive players on him. He is really the SF/ skinny version of Z-Bo…. a blck hole. always looking mostly for his own shot.

by raging WebTed on Jun 20, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with some of your assumptions so it's hard to

agree with your conclusion.

Martell hasn’t proven he can shoot yet, period.

Martell hasn’t proven he can guard anyone yet, period.

On the other hand, Travis hasn’t proven that he’s a reliable scorer yet either. Both of these guys are still huge projects, I’m not sure why we’re in such a rush to hand EITHER ONE a starting spot.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jun 20, 2008 1:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I really think

Trading either of these guys is a bit premature. I think we should wait and see how our team plays together with Oden and Rudy before we start trading away our young prospects. We may not need to bring in a vet or point guard, we have Roy. Regardless of whether Roy plays most of his time at the 2 or 1 the ball is usually in his hands either way. I don’t think playing him and Rudy together would hurt us for not having a “true” point out there. Roy is smart enough and learning the NBA game so quickly that a vet might not be needed. These young guys will get plenty of play off experience down the road, and I think we should do what the original plan for this team was and let them grow together and not rush it.

As for Webby and Trout, Webster to me seems like a much more suited starter. Not because Travis has a lack of talent, but because of their styles. Webby seems like the more “by the book” style player who can support the big 3. If he works on his defense he could be one heck of a player who may see an all-star game or 2. Travis brings the energy we need off the bench. I see him as the leader of the 2nd unit, sure he has holes in his game but the energy and willingness to play hard off the bench is something that can be hard to find. Travis wants to succeed, he is going to work hard no matter what and always play the best he can. Plus he’s probably the most fun player to watch on our team. His crazy shots always make me curse at him then praise him in the span of 2 seconds. In short Travis might not be the most skilled player in the world but he’s a player who’s not easy to replace.

by Bskey on Jun 20, 2008 2:44 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree completely.

It is really not the time to trade away the young talent we’ve got until we see how they work. It may turn out that one (my bet is on Jack) fits perfectly with Oden and Rudy, It mat turn out that another fits very poorly. Trade them at that time. It’s not like the league will forget how good they are if they don’t play. And even if their value dips a bit, it’s not a high price to pay to see if we’ve got the perfect fit already.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 20, 2008 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martell should start

Purely on Martell’s superior defense, and he won’t clog the lane and be a dead end on offense like Travis can be at times. Outlaw’s shot selection both frustrates and amazes me…

We don’t need more offense on the starting 5, which the only thing Travis offers, something which he can bring on with the white team.

Speaking of white team, I can picture Jarett on the break from a Joel rebound and outlet, with Travis and Rudy flying down both wings and Frye on the trailer.

Dang we have depth.

by LMA on Jun 20, 2008 8:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

excellent point

about not needing more offensive on the starting five. Travis would be, at best, the fourth option in next year’s starting lineup. Considering that thus far he’s exhibited no ability to create shots for other players or play a complementary role on offense, I’m not sure that his “I’ve never met a two-dribble contested pullup jumper that I didn’t like” offensive style is gonna mesh particularly well with Roy and Friends.

I love Outlaw, but I love him as a sixth man who comes off the bench to be a conscienceless gunner. I don’t think he has the all-around game or the defensive ability to blend seamlessly into the starting five as our SF, and that’s why I loathe the idea of trading Webby. I saw an earlier poster float the idea of starting Jones and bringing Outlaw off the bench, but I don’t envision Jones as a starter playing 25-30 minutes on a championship-level squad at the 3…

I think that a lot of people - not just posters on BE or OregonLive, but Blazers fans in general - have a drastically exaggerated idea of how fast we’re gonna be in the championship hunt. All this win-now talk is absolutely preposterous. We’re not winning anything this next season—not the Northwest nor the NBA championship. There’s nothing wrong with having patience in bringing along a 21-year-old swingman who has shown tremendous potential. All the Trout defenders who are advocating jettisoning Martell now should remember where their boy was going into his fourth season: he’d shown a heck of a lot less than Martell has up to this point.

by BlazersOrBust on Jun 21, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love you man

Come help me celebrate June 26th - Flush The Trades Away Day.

by tominhawaii on Jun 21, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

You’re just joshin’ me. Link?

Come help me celebrate June 26th - Flush The Trades Away Day.

by tominhawaii on Jun 22, 2008 3:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woo

Good thing White Flies aren’t on that list. I’ve been killing them every day. They done infected all the plans on my lanai.

Come help me celebrate June 26th - Flush The Trades Away Day.

by tominhawaii on Jun 22, 2008 4:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Devious ones.

Come help me celebrate June 26th - Flush The Trades Away Day.

by tominhawaii on Jun 22, 2008 5:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You little devil and your infected plans

will finish putting Hawaii in the maps and making it a tourist place.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jun 22, 2008 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely Preposterous BoB?

Big words. Let me tell you a parable about a 24 win team that traded for two aging superstars, one with bad knees, added them to their other superstar and with group of seeming scrubs and a “so so” couch won the NBA championship. This really happened.

I think there are more folk on this list who are hedging away from believing us contenders than not. I am not one of them. After our 82 learning season I think teams will be hard pressed to knock us out of any 7 game series.

by Blazersaurus on Jun 22, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

I should have constructed that thought more carefully, but I was soliloquizing at two in the morning after two forties—ya gotta cut me a little slack. :) What I meant to address was the school of thought that the Blazers have to start competing for championships next season, trading away young players for championship-piece veterans or sacrificing valuable role players and cap space to make that big trade splash now.

If we organically jump into championship contention next year, that would obviously be the bee’s knees, but if that doesn’t happen (and I’m obviously not expecting it to) the season won’t be a failure. Neither do we need to make big moves to ensure that it happens at the expense of future flexibility, both roster- and cap-wise. We have a ten-year championship window opening up in ‘09-’10; we have the potential to be the Spurs of this past decade, except younger and more dominant.

That’s the point I was trying to make by saying that this “win-now” talk is preposterous. If we win, great. But in reality, adding two very big moving pieces (Oden and Fernandez) and likely a third moving piece (whichever player we obtain by virtue of a good old-fashioned Pritch-slapping) to our Blazers machine next year means that next season is going to be a learning season too. But come 2009, we shall unleash the full might of our assembled host, and those who dare oppose us shall tremble in fear and weep in mourning.

by BlazersOrBust on Jun 22, 2008 5:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Oden is Oden, like, early on

I could see us challenging Utah for the NW title.

HOWEVER, that is a best case scenario type deal and I agree with you pretty much.

I think some of us are taking Outlaw’s 13 ppg and exciting dunks and think you can just plunk that down into the starting lineup and expect it to compliment everyone else. Martell’s 10 ppg as the 4th option in the starting lineup might even be harder to get than Outlaw’s 13 ppg as the ONLY option in the second unit.

Not to take away from Outlaw’s improvements, and I hope we keep seeing them, I just don’t see how so many of us can be sure he’d suddenly ‘get it’ and be able to play with the starters. He isn’t a selfish person or player really, but his style is selfish, and so is the way he scores. It’s just how he is for now, and he could definitely learn how to be more than that.

But until I see it (because NONE of us have), I don’t wanna force him to be the starter—and moving Martell does just that, unless we think Jones and his knee are gonna be okay. Even if it is, he’s only a spot up shooter. A smart one who I like very berry much, and a smart defender, but not very athletic and won’t do much else. That is PERFECT in a spread-the-floor-bench-shooter, but underwhelming in a starter. He’d HAVE to start if we traded Martell though, because Outlaw just doesn’t fit in the slightest.

Chemistry, players that compliment each other, are more important than numbers. Whoever we got at SF has to compliment the Big 3, unless we get someone who is better than the Big 3 at SF. Perhaps it can become a Big 4, or even a Big 5 someday, but right now it has to be someone who can play alongside our main dudes.

I don’t wanna move Outlaw, but his main asset is scoring. Martell does more than that, and had some exciting plays in his own right. Worst case scenario (since I don’t think Martell will regress), Martell becomes too good to be the 4th option but not good enough to supplant one of the Big 3, and we gotta trade him. We’ll get a lot more for him then than now, and right now we got a perfect spot for him as the starting SF.

Just too soon to move either guy, really.

Starting Outlaw just will make his flaws shine and burn brighter than any flaw Jack has. I wanna love him for what he does great, not be annoyed with what he don’t do well. Off the bench, he can be loved by all.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2008 4:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what about their trade value?

If they have a high trade value, you have to do something with it.

Come help me celebrate June 26th - Flush The Trades Away Day.

by tominhawaii on Jun 22, 2008 4:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your plans to put end to trade talking

remain in your lanai testifying its failure.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jun 22, 2008 4:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're just jealous!

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by tominhawaii on Jun 22, 2008 5:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah!.

Spaniards are ferociously jealous. I can´t stand with you living two lifes.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jun 22, 2008 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not me

It’s just me. We have another guest from Portland so I don’t have time to hang out on the Bedge and read trade proposals.

Come help me celebrate June 26th - Flush The Trades Away Day.

by tominhawaii on Jun 22, 2008 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Today we went to the North Shore

And we saw a honu and another honu.

Come help me celebrate June 26th - Flush The Trades Away Day.

by tominhawaii on Jun 22, 2008 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sort of

We do the same thing each time we have a visitor.

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by tominhawaii on Jun 22, 2008 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same island, same visits, same work, same trades...

same website!, arrrggghhhh.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jun 22, 2008 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yucky

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by tominhawaii on Jun 22, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what my two cents are worth

(and it’s probably less than face value) here are my thoughts about the trade value thing. I understand that there are good arguments to be made for striking while the trade iron’s hot: in all likelihood, Jack, Jones, and one of either Trout or Frye are gonna see reductions in their minutes and subsequently their stats next season. If we know that those guys are more valuable than their current and anticipated future production for us would seem to indicate, then it makes sense to move them at an opportune time (like now).

But here’s my take on this: I think that we have one of the best GM’s in the league. This isn’t revolutionary thought by any means, but I think its import tends to get lost on people cuz of the riffraff we’ve suffered through for the past 10-12 years. I am convinced to the marrow of my bones that come next off-season, KP can take the players whose roles and numbers were reduced and package them for something valuable.

Even if their perceived value drops somewhat between this season and the next, I’m unconcerned about it for two reasons: one, like I already said, Pritch is gonna find somebody to slap with those players regardless; and two, I think it’s much, much more important to figure out how all of our supporting cast fits in around Oden next year than it is to begin clearing out a potential minutes crunch next season.

Greg’s gonna be the center (literal and figurative) of our team for the next 12-15 years. The Blazers, and us as their fans, are in it for the long haul. If a few players lose some of their value next season, that’s fine by me. I’d much rather make a trade in 2009, getting 80 cents on the dollar compared to what we could have received in 2008, but being 100% positive that the players we’re trading are the right ones to trade away. And I don’t think that distinction can be made this off-season without seeing how everybody plays with Oden as the centerpiece.

by BlazersOrBust on Jun 22, 2008 5:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

I think I should write a diary of each Blazer’s trade value.

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by tominhawaii on Jun 22, 2008 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can´t, you are a sentimental man.

It could be something like:

Blazers´ trade value:

Webster: like to trade your brother.
Jones: like to trade your father.
LMA: like to trade your wife.
Roy: like to trade your son.
Oden: like to trade your grand grand grandfather.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jun 22, 2008 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear that

We need to sell high. Do you realize Oden’s trade value?

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by tominhawaii on Jun 22, 2008 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, well, well.

It was more Oden´s face value.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jun 22, 2008 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade High Yo!

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by tominhawaii on Jun 22, 2008 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like the winner here

is Martell Webster! I’m glad that I’m not the only one that feels this way. It just seems more ridiculous now to suggest starting Travis over the Webman. While Travis is the better scorer, the Webman is more suited to start than the Trout. i.e spider over fish.

by VinnyB on Jun 21, 2008 5:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I was going for the Sin City look, cause that is what I see when I look at this picture. Turned out more like last seasons cartoon intro.
Great Night
Roy is a combo guard.
Claver's team wins again.
Blazercentric SS&R Post

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