What NBA teams(fans) want for #13
by RipCity on Jun 2, 2008 3:28 PM PDT
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PrintI went to all NBA teams sites and some of them are interested in our #13 pick. I know that its no proof of what the GMs will do, but we can speculate. This is all we do is speculate and predict (unless KP comes here under the name of Mortimer) what will KP do to get us a PG, and some vet help. Here are all of the teams(fans) that are interested in our #13 pick; Houston, Cleveland, Atlanta, Chicago, LA Clippers, Memphis, Orlando. What can we package with our #13 pick to move up the draft? Or maybe some of these teams have a vet that we can steal, if they want to rebuid? I know that there are people that know more about other teams and what they would be willing to give up, so I would like to see a proposal. Im just too tiered looking thru all the other teams posts.
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the 13th and Jack to Chicago for...
the 1st and filler. Jack has not hit his stride and would benefit from a change of scenery. Portland is the only place for a Rose.
I guess the same could go to LAC or Mem to grab their pick if Gordon, Westbrook, or Mayo (probably not) are there. We may have to add in Webster or Frye, but to grab a Gordon, Mayo or Westbrook (less so) would be a great move.
Jack and 13
might work for the Clippers pick because they could use a PG, but Memphis doesn’t need a PG and there’s no way Chicago gives up the 1st pick for that bad of an offer.
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
-T.S. Eliot
sarcasm?
It’s gotta be sarcasm if you are writting that the Bulls would give up #1 overall for #13 and Jack. THat is ludacris, they would have to WANT TO LOSE to make a trade like that.
I am thinking the best value we can get out of #13 to move up is to package the pick with J.Jack AND Channing Frye to move up to #6,7, or 8.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 2, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
They're just starting to tank for next year already.
So that they have a better chance of winning the 2009 NBA Draft Lottery.
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"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus
I wonder
Is a team like Memphis intereted in the 13th pick in addition to their own or do they want to trade down? I think that’s an important distinction.
I’ll make an attempt at potential trade targets with those teams.
Houston: Battier for D or Scola for his rebounding/hustle
Cleveland: Actually, I would avoid them. Can anyone think of an asset they have we might want?
Atlanta: Childress if he’s a restricted FA
Chicago: I sincerely doubt they trade the Number 1. A lot of people like the idea of getting Hinrich. I think Indiana might want Hinrich as well, though.
Clippers: Their pick puts us in Gordon/Westbrook territory
Memphis: Similar to the Clips, maybe look at Connely
Orlando: I have no clue
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
-T.S. Eliot
Cleveland: Actually, I would avoid them. Can anyone think of an asset they have we might want?
I can only think of one.
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus
I suppose I could have specified an asset that we want and could actually get.
Do you think they’d take Jack and the 13?
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
-T.S. Eliot
Only if he had his legs amputated.
On a side note, as someone who celebrates milestones, I have just made my 1000th post on SB Nation (994 on the Bedge!). 
I’ve changed my avatar for the occasion, inspired by TominHawaii and his piece of toast.
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus
Congratulations. 1.000 and a new avatar!.
And we can talk to your avatar. I use to talk to my PC but I only get to hurt its feelings. I´ve have heard in a TIH´s fanpost that Macs are less touchy, perhaps I should cha*`”?Ç´.,#,4€º.
"If OJ Mayo falls to the 2nd round We should risk one of our 3 second round picks on Mayo". Mortimer.
You should
I’m thinking about starting a Mac cult where we live off apples and apple pies.
Life is like a cherry tomato; it tastes like chicken.
I don´t know what kind of prayers a Mac might like.
My clonic PC understand all Asian prayers, so I can work any problem out with Shintoism and Buddhism, neither I need switch it on nor I need software. Are you sure a Mac would be better?. I might marry it.
"If OJ Mayo falls to the 2nd round We should risk one of our 3 second round picks on Mayo". Mortimer.
I don't know yet
I’m still in the honeymoon phase. The Mac might start to gain weight and talk about it’s mother too much and make me regret not buying an IBM.
This monkeys gone to haven
Just be sure to go out and show it Hawaii.
I don’t want to hear stories down the road about how you guys never left your room.
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"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus
I don't know
Have you ever seen those folks who are basically doing the, “Hey look at me, I have a Mac or a big laptop,” in public? I don’t want to be one of those kids.
This monkeys gone to haven
Sweet
I actually have Buddy Christ glued to the dash of my car. I used to have a parking angel and sweet Madonna on the dash of my last car. When I got the Thing, I had to kick it up a notch, so I got Buddy in a comic book store. In my next car I plan to get a sweet Madonna, dressed in rhinestones, sitting on a pedestal of abalone shell.
Life is like a cherry tomato; it tastes like chicken.
With Orlando i would look at Jameer Nelson
if they were willing to part with him
Whats your ring size? 2010
by Gregory Roy Aldridge on Jun 2, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
wow, i totally did not see majikj0n's post
sry for stealing ur idea, lol
Whats your ring size? 2010
by Gregory Roy Aldridge on Jun 2, 2008 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh.
No problem. Hardly an original idea, in any case.
Nelson’s got one of the highest PER ratings among PG’s not named Parker, Paul, and Williams.
He is a bit short, which the folks here seem to not be a fan of after watching Damon for so long.
Hey! I know! How about we just re-sign Damon as a free agent? Bet we could get him cheap!
Wherever you go, there you are.
#13, Jack and Travis to Orlando
For Jameer Nelson.
I hate to give up Travis, but this solves our PG long term, and lets Orlando get a high-flyer to go alongside Howard (Travis) a stopgap PG (Jack) and a pick to use on somebody like DJ Augustin, or Westbrook to develop at point long term.
Think they’d go for it?
Sigh. Neither do I. Oh well.
Wherever you go, there you are.
Not even close
Jameer is about 10 times better than jack. He can shoot and actually passes the ball
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 2, 2008 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you ever watch Jameer?
He’s just as turnover prone…....but he can shoot a little better. Oh, and he’s shorter. No thanks.
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He can shoot a LOT better
Is a better leader and while he has turnovers, they arent dribble off your foot with time running out bad.
Also since when is height an issue? I swear I don’t get. I want a kid who can PLAY. I dont care how tall he is. Its that short BS that got us Ha Seung Jin. Ohhh hes tall, he can play. No. You draft ballers, regardless of height. And he is what 2 inches shorter than Jack. Big deal.
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 3, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Damon as our PG
I don’t know about you, but I hated hated hated having a short PG who can’t defend every other starting PG in the league because every other starting PG is bigger and stronger. Nelson is strong, but being short is definitely a hindrance in the NBA at every single position.
You draft Ha Seung Jinn on a lark, but height enters into the debate for good players. A good player can overcome height, but it is rare and we aren’t talking about a great player—just an average one.
2 inches is big. It matters. If Ime Udoka was 2 inches taller he wouldn’t have had to wait till he was 29 to find an NBA home. If Oden was 2 inches shorter, he becomes an athletic PF who might not be big enough/skilled enough to be a post scorer. If Roy is 2 inches less, he’s too small to play SG and too slow to play PG.
Height matters. Obviously it isn’t everything, but it makes a difference.
I don’t know if Nelson is a better leader; he clearly has better shooting percentages. He’s been benched a few times in favor of whatever PG veteran they had, or Carlos Arroyo. He isn’t a bad player, but he isn’t really an upgrade. In the year Jack started, Jack was a better player.
Isn’t Jameer a flat 6’0”? Jack is 6’3”. Now, THREE INCHES, that’s astronomical!
Mortimer
Bayless is overrated
He’s got no D. He tends to float on offense, sometimes getting lost. When he stays aggressive, he’s a great scorer, but there’s no way he’s better than Mayo, especially at the NBA level.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
Why not just draft Augustin
Will be quite a bit like Jameer. Shorter guard. Excellent shooter. Pass first point guard
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 2, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Travis Outlaw > Jameer Nelson....
Our PG situation isn’t bad enough for us to do this….
We’d do better just drafting with the pick or moving up a few slots to get best Guard available.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 2, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Its a terrible trade
But I wouldnt mind getting nelson for Jack and a 2nd rounder
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 3, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if anyone's noticed...
But top-quality point guards are getting rather scarce around the league.
A lot of that, I think, has to do with the rules changes of recent years that have made it much harder to stop penetration when your PG has that quick first step. Guys like Parker, Paul and Williams are making out very well because of this, while larger points like Billups and Kidd are put at more of a disadvantage.
Nelson benefits from these rules, too, despite his size. He’s something of a proven commodity at this point, and Orlando is going to want something special to give him up.
Really, that’s the problem with the position Portland finds itself in when looking for an upgrade at point. A lot of teams are going to want more than true market value for their medium-quality PGs because the market is high on them right now. Even the short ones.
Wherever you go, there you are.
They would go for that
I think Jack is BETTER than Jameer Nelson, and Travis is better than both, and the #13 pick could EASILY turn into someone better than Jameer Nelson. However, I think Jameer Nelson kinda sucks. He’s signed until 2012/13, and while not overpriced for a starting PG he isn’t a very good starting PG.
Plus he’s undersized, looks like he wears eyeliner, and isn’t very good. Okay, saying he ‘sucks’ may be strong, as he shot over .400 from three point land last year, and dished out 5.6 assists. I have just never been very impressed with him, and I don’t see him as a real upgrade over Blake or Jack (and Jack put up Nelson’s numbers when Jack was our starter, as well), and definitely not worth adding Travis Outlaw or the #13 pick. We wouldn’t be Pritch-slapping ourselves, we’d be Pritch-murderalizing ourselves.
My biases: I am against short PGs, scoring PGs, and short scoring PGs. I think Orlando would love to upgrade their PG spot anyway they could, and get out of his long (but affordable) contract. I don’t think Orlando has ever been THAT happy with Jameer Nelson or Carlos Arroyo, and PG is the position of need just like us.
Mortimer
Jameer Nelson always tried to show up Telfair
Because Nelson thought he should’ve been drafted higher than Bassy
We could have had him
but we picked ‘Bassy. Silly Nash.
I will say it before anyone else does
I am not in favor of trading for a vertically challenged point guard….especially for Outlaw
"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss" Robert A. Heinlein
Not even Augustin?
as a pick? No I wouldn’t trade Outlaw for Augustin either. The only way we should include Outlaw in any trade package would be for a top 5 pick or for a proven vet PG (not named TJ Ford).
by LMA on Jun 3, 2008 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Augustin will be a damn good player in the league
Thankfully blazer fans arent KP. He knows that its the game that matters not the measurables.
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 3, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
But height matters just a bit too
In their NBA preview SI tried to answer the question “Who’s the best at every height?” SI’s top 4 for 5’10” (which Augustin was just measured at):
1) Slater Martin
2) Damon Stoudamire
3) Red Holzman
4) Nancy Lieberman
I think that it is probably fair to say that DJ’s ceiling as a player falls somewhere below those listed above.
they dont want the pick nessecelery
they want to steal one of our building blocks—namely, Travis Outlaw- and its not going to happen.
If you dont talk to your cats about catnip, who will?
Mmmmmm........nessecelery
I love it with Cheese Whiz….or peanut butter
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#4
Chad Ford is saying the Okies may be shopping the pick. What about our 13, and Martell to slide up to #4 and get Bayless or Mayo? Not sure if it is possible like that, but I do wonder how much they’d want…
by GhostFacePryzbilla on Jun 2, 2008 6:19 PM PDT reply actions
Ohhh
Bayless.. Now THAT would be a solid move for KP
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 2, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Bayless isn’t the defensive PG for which many have been looking, but he has many of the other skills for which we’ve been looking. He’s more of a scorer than a PG should be, but we could always give the ball to Roy in the halfcourt or sub in Blake. It’s going to be a few years until Oden can develop reliable go-to post moves (look at Howard), which means we’ll still be a jumpshooting team. I, for one, wouldn’t mind having a ridiculous amount of offensive firepower.
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
-T.S. Eliot
Wait what?
Bayless is a STUD defender. Thats really one of his major upsides. That and his ability to shoot from anywhere and get to the rim. His weakness is the same weakness that Russell Westbrook has. Inexperience at the point. However Jerryd’s ball handling is Miles better than Westbrook. I am with you though, if we COULD do it, we SHOULD do it.
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 3, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Rather have Mayo
and I’d swap Travis for Martell in that deal. Bayless is cool though too. Mayo will be a much better defender in the NBA.
Heat seem to be very committed on Mayo, though
Unless Paxton passes on Rose, the Heat’s gonna have a bit of Mayo on it. Mmmm…
Guards in the Draft that I would move up for....
Not counting Rose.
1. OJ Mayo
2. Eric Gordon
3. Russell Westbrook
4. DJ Augustin
5. Jerrod Bayless
In other words, Bayless is a player that I think is OVER-rated. His stock really boosted up out of no where. Eric Gordon and DJ Augustin are guys who have been big on NBA scouts radar for a long time.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 2, 2008 6:38 PM PDT reply actions
Gordon did have the wrist injury which hurt his draft position. I like that he plays good D but I don’t like how much he turns the ball over. Assuming Jack is gone and sergio continues to get zero playing time, we only have two good ballhandlers, Blake and Roy. I don’t know if I like having Gordon and Rudy as the other ball handlers.
I haven’t really looked into Augustin’s game but I don’t like undersized guards. I might be blinded by that.
I’d go:
1. Mayo
2. Westbrook
3. Bayless
4. Gordon
5. Augustin
which is a combination of their projected talent and what we’d have to give up to get each player.
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
-T.S. Eliot
Interesting
I would go
1. Bayless
2. Mayo
3. Augustin
4. Gordon
5. Westbrook
Im a big fan of production in the college level. Not too many stars in the league were second fiddle in college. Westbrook didnt even crack the starting lineup.
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 3, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Bayless is Overrated
He’s got no D. He tends to float on offense, sometimes getting lost. When he stays aggressive, he’s a great scorer, but there’s no way he’s better than Mayo, especially at the NBA level. And I’m a big UofA fan.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
Yeah
I love Gordon, but I’m not sure how he would mesh with Roy. I don’t see Mayo falling past 3 but who knows.
by GhostFacePryzbilla on Jun 2, 2008 6:49 PM PDT reply actions
Aaron Brooks from Houston
I’d trade Roy, Jack, and the 13th pick for him.
Life is like a cherry tomato; it tastes like chicken.
Brooks?
We could probably get him from Houston for Von Wafer and a bag of chips.
by LMA on Jun 3, 2008 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions
What kind of chips?
Salt and Vinegar Kettle Chips have tremendous upside potential. Let’s trade the Cheddar and Chives Pringles. I think Morey will bite, if you catch my pun, which you most certainly do.
BLZRS FRVR
by nightbluefruit on Jun 3, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Try-outs
Aside from vets, if you look at the try-outs, the Blazers left all of those projected in the top 7 or 8 out. Rose, Bayless, Gordon, Mayo, Gallinari etc are not coming. However, they are bringing in players like Augustin, Westbrook, Alexander, Donte Green, etc. all lumped around the #10 – #16 or so spots. Then, they’re bringing ih a number such as Hudson, Forbes, Lawson and Burrell at PG who are rated well below #15.
If the try-outs are an indicator, it would seem that the Blazers may stand pat or trade up a few spots – which isn’t likely to cost them that much. However, they don’t seem to be looking to trade up into the the top 8, which would cost them more.
This doesn’t, however, stop them from doing their homework on all the players in that #8 or #9 and up, while also looking to see if they can upgrade by getting a vet. Right now, they have to set up the board for the #13 and 3 #2’s, downstream they can begin to deal. Still an interesting play.
Not a good indication
I remember 2 years ago the Blazers commenting after the fact that they wanted to get the top players in the draft to come in and work out but they wouldn’t come as we had the #7 pick. We then traded to get the #2, and #6 but the players didn’t know we would. Every team would love to get an individual workout from the top players but there is not enough time, so the players simply accept offers from the teams that have the picks in the range of what they are projected to go.
Sometimes I feel like I'm going in different directions...
Yes
I remember watching LMA’s workout and thinking he looked like a Gazelle.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
here is the LMA draft workout for the blazers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czA8N8yVajo
Beaver believer!
The year we got Roy and LMA...
We had the 4th pick originally (the worst possible place we could draft at because we had the worst record).
We drafted Tyrus Thomas with pick #4. Traded it to the Bulls for LMA, who was chosen #2.
We traded Telfair and Ratliff to Boston for pick #7. We drafted Randy Foye.
We traded Randy Foye to Minny for Brandon Roy.
We brought in all of those guys for workouts, because we had the #4 pick. Any of them felt like they could have been drafted there. LAST draft season, when we had the #1 pick, was when we couldn’t get anyone in besides 2nd rounders and Oden/Durant.
You’re right though, the players will usually only work out for the teams that have a pick in their expected draft range. Unless the team tells the agent that they made a deal, it is unlikely to see, say, OJ Mayo, work out for someone like Portland with pick #13. And if that player worked out for a team like us, then everyone would know a deal was made and then etc etc etc.
But in 06, we had a ton of lottery players come in and workout, with the exception of Andrea Bargnani, who expected to go #1, and Sheldon Williams, who was promised to Atlanta at #5 (though I might just not remember them coming in).
Mortimer
Follow Up
I agree I was reading too much into that. However, of at least some interest is the fact that the Blazers have only Augustin scheduled for the 18th, Wesbrook and Lawson for the 12th, and Arthur and Randolph will also be a twosome. Since on most days they schedule more players than one or two, you have to wonder if they’re not taking a very good second look at these players. The concensus draft has Randolph at 9, Augustin at 11, Westbrook at 12 and Arthur at 14. Lawson showed up well in the combines, and is small, but perhaps a good practice fit for Westbrook. In any case, with the exception of Alexander and Green, both scheduled together with several others,these are the players grouped around our pick. And Portland could, if it wanted, probably move around without too much cost to get any one of these players. Augustin is small, but he is a playmaker and with Oden, Roy, Aldridge and then some size at SF, we may be able to live with his size – if he has everything else.
Trade?
With the OKC Sonics?
Travis Outlaw, Jarret Jack, #13 and Cash
for Donyell Marshall and #4
Seattle may lose Wilcox to a player option, and they need an athletic 4 to replace him. Outlaw would do the trick nicely. Jarrett gives them a larger stronger PG to play with Ridnour or Watson. #13 would put them out of the PG race, but if they are willing to take it we should. Cash considerations never hurt when youre about to get sued by everyone for being a Dbag.. im looking at you Bennett.
Portland would lose Outlaw which is a big deal. While its not something I would prefer to do, in this case it would open up the time for James Jones and Martell to get more minutes and possibly Fernandez if we went small. Losing jack isnt a big deal. He can be replaced. With the #4 pick, hopefully we can choose from either Mayo or Bayless, whoever fits the bill (although if we are counting character, Bayless gets the pick). We receive Donyell Marshall as a piece coming back. While he can only shoot the three at this point in his career, he has 6 fouls he can use ala Raef, and LIKE Raef, his contract expires at the same time. More cap room the merrier. We need it.
Now the tricky part about this deal (according to ESPN Trade Machine) is that Outlaw is a BYC player, so his 4mil salary is only worth 2mil in trades. I am sure there is a way to balance it out with cash considerations and maybe an unsigned pick. I will leave that to Penn. But I would seriously consider this
How bout you guys?
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 3, 2008 2:40 PM PDT reply actions
Nuh uh.
“Cash considerations” cannot be used to make up salary differences.
However, I believe Travis’ BYC compensation status changes on July 1, and he will be easier to trade at that point. Of course, that’s AFTER the draft, so The Blazers would have to have a deal in place with the Sonics ahead of time, and then consummate the deal afterwards.
Even so, I don’t see the Sonics doing this. Travis has too many skills similar to Durant’s, and they need a PG even more than we do. And they’re more likely to get their pieces in the draft at this point, whereas we need veterans.
Also, with all the uncertainty regarding the move, I honestly don’t see many deals getting done with the Sonics until they’re in a more stable situation (however and wherever that ends up being.)
Wherever you go, there you are.
#25
What did Oden say to the stork?. "Admit that you have got lost". amlmart1
"There is no good reason on Oden’s green Earth for a human to shoot a basketball like that, let alone a NBA player paid to play basketball for people’s enjoyment." Mortimer
Hows about....
Rasheed could be bought out, we get Stuckey, and Detroit gets rid of Rasheed’s contract, a serviceable backup center in Raef (Maxiell can start for them) whose contract will also expire after next year, a decent backup in Jack, and a draft pick to get some young talent for.
We get Stuckey, who’s got more upside than any of our current PG prospects. We also get to keep that cap room in ‘09, get something back for Jack, and clear up a roster spot or two.
Wherever you go, there you are.
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