Rasheed's Legacy
Having watched the Eastern Conference Finals this year, even in a somewhat cursory manner, I couldn’t help but come away with a thought: Boy, the Pistons sure could have used Rasheed Wallace this year.
“But wait,” you say, “’Sheed is still on their team!”
I know.
Watching Rasheed’s career wind down, seeing him limp into the sunset more than ride gloriously, knowing what kind of player he was in his Portland days and how close we were to maybe doing something special, you can’t help but wonder what could have been. You also wonder what Rasheed’s legacy will ultimately be as a Blazer and in the league overall.
Though he never averaged 20 points at any time in his career, ‘Sheed played some amazing ball for a handful of years with the Blazers. That late-90’s team had so many big names on it that it’s easy to overlook the fact that he was the straw that stirred the drink. Rasheed’s tantrums and drama obscured some of the most bankable playoff performances this franchise has known. Whatever else you think of him, the guy could play. He was had one of the best all-around games of anybody who has put on our uniform.
Rasheed’s desire to get out of town and his willingness to provide bulletin board material for
This is not to count Rasheed out entirely. He’s 33 years old and next year is a contract year for him. I would not be surprised if he had one more spark left in him. I’m not hopeful about the next contract he signs, however. It will almost certainly be both his last and his least productive.
Looking at all of this you wonder…did it have to happen this way? Could Rasheed have remained a Blazer, for one thing? What would it have looked like? And what will his final legacy be in this league? He did a fair amount, but it’s hard to believe that he truly reached his outer limit of success. Perhaps most importantly of all for some team, does he have anything significant left to give or was this for all practical purposes his last hurrah?
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
P.S. You can also read Zuul's diary to the right for more thoughts on this subject.
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Wallace
I am glad we got rid of him. He was good, but what I remember was that he didn’t want to stay inside but stay outside and shoot 3’s too much. He is a symbol of those teams from 99-01 that should have won the ring but didn’t because of lack of character. I am more concerned about where the Blazers are going, and I want to forget about the “Choke” era.
by PABroncofan on Jun 2, 2008 12:54 AM PDT 0 recs
Sheed was like a rock star
A rock star who could make #1 hits any time he wanted, sell the most albums, but decided that being that popular wasn’t cool so kept his music more obscure. That is fine if you are a rockstar, but so damn annoying if you are so extremely talented as Sheed was, and an athlete.
Athletes are supposed to want to be the best and win. THAT is what’s cool. Sheed just wasn’t about getting the most out of his talent.
A telling quote from Sheed from the beginning of this season was about how he worked out for the first time this offseason, EVER—running, lifting weights, etc, to compensate for his age. The fact that he had played so well for so long without having a real work ethic or drive to be the best showed how talented he really was… and how frustrating he is.
I agree with Charles Barkeley… Sheed coulda’ been the best player in the NBA if he wanted to. He didn’t want to. Blazers’ management was mistaken to think a guy with that much talent would grow into the role he SHOULD want, but alas, Sheed is a rockstar and trying isn’t cool.
I got a soft spot for Sheed, even if I know I shouldn’t. He’s a tough guy to figure out.
His legacy will go down as a popular player, winning a title will really help, but ultimately he is a disappointment. He coulda’ been a lot, lot better. I wish he’d regret not getting the most out of his ability, but I don’t think that’ll be the case. He seems okay with being less than he should.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jun 2, 2008 2:50 AM PDT 0 recs
'sheed had a big talent but bigger insecurities
He masked those with bravado and all the conspiracy talk (re/ the officials, the “Man,” etc.).
In a way, I think ‘sheed’s championship with the Pistons was a fluke. Because he joined them in midseason that first year, they didn’t depend on him. That was his ideal situation: as a glorified role-player on a strong team. Once a team begins to lean on ‘sheed, they’re in for a fall. Fortunately for the Blazers, LMA has all the gifts and none of the baggage.
P.S. Typo alert, Dave: “He was had one of the best all-around games.” Also, I believe ‘sheed only won one championship with the Pistons (you have it plural).
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jun 2, 2008 5:11 AM PDT 0 recs
I think Wallace had the misfortune to play for Portland
during the transition period. The Blazers were losing their “old school” veterans and Wallace was suppossedly expected to step up and fill their role. Except Whitsett ended up bringing in new veterans, Pippen, Sabonis, Dale Davis, Kemp, Schremp, Steve Smith.
How much that contributed to Rasheed not wanting to be the centerpiece of the team, I can’t say. But it seemed pretty obvious that the Blazers were not a cohesive unit. (Trading away Brian Grant certainly didn’t help.)
Personally, I did not have as much of a problem with Wallace not wanting to be the “star” of the team. You either have that drive or you don’t. Instead I preferred to focus on his willingness to play any position asked or to come off the bench rather than insist on starting. I only wish he would have had a strong role model. Perhaps had we kept Buck Williams and Terry Porter a couple years longer, that team would have had the rudder and keel it needed.
I believe Wallace’s legacy will be, in part, a reflection of that of Tim Duncan’s legacy. One of the two most skilled and talented big men in the game, with Wallace being a pale light in comparison to what Duncan accomplished.
by timg56 on Jun 2, 2008 7:44 AM PDT 0 recs
I think that's why 'Sheed did so well that first year in Detroit
Wallace x2 was essentially another version of Wallace + Grant (which was probably the best that ‘Sheed played in his career). ‘Sheed was able to be a ‘finesse’ player while Ben (or Brian with PDX) did all the garbage work and banging.
by DonkeyShins on
Jun 2, 2008 9:38 AM PDT
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The Interview
I’ll never forget the interview ‘Sheed gave to the Oregonian, the one where Sports editors needed to warn readers that they had not cleaned up his language nor toned down his crazy talk about basketball players being modern-day slaves.
I loved ‘Sheed as a player, sometimes. And Ioved him as a person, sometimes. But man, what a downer he could be. What a selfish brat he could be. What a … what the hell is this commercial for a dating service doing here?
Back to the point. I still where my #30 Blazers jersey around the house, but more with Portland pride than any real fond memories of Rasheed Wallace.
A tormented soul, he always seemed.
RipCity's a state of mind
by Y5k on Jun 2, 2008 8:09 AM PDT 0 recs
The Rasheed story is always the same
When he’s the front-runner he’s solid and he meets adversity he reverts to a spoiled child.
Rasheed was somewhat successful as a basketball player, but he never made it over the hump as a person. I think that about sums it up.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jun 2, 2008 8:38 AM PDT 0 recs
Also
Rasheed should be ashamed of his career rebounding numbers. Not one season over 9 rebounds per game. A 6.9 career average in 34 career minutes per game. For a guy with his size….ugh. Pathetic.
“Other than perhaps Clyde Drexler, the Blazers have likely not traded another player with a better game at the time of the trade. “
Arguably Zach Randolph was better than Rasheed at the time he was traded. Zach, despite being shorter than ‘Sheed, actually rebounded a little.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on
Jun 2, 2008 8:44 AM PDT
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Statistically true, but
Rasheed actually made other players around him better. Zach was the black hole that dragged the team down.
by DonkeyShins on
Jun 2, 2008 9:40 AM PDT
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umm, what do you think about LMA's rebound numbers?
Some guys are just perimeter oriented. Rasheed was fine when Detroit had Big Ben to clean up the boards, I imagine Oden will do the same for LMA.
by spikex on
Jun 2, 2008 11:09 AM PDT
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Power Forwards need to rebound. Period.
...................Rasheed Wallace was a more athletic Channing Frye on the court. And unlike the charming Frye, off the court, Wallace was…........... Rasheed Wallace.
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"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on
Jun 2, 2008 11:45 AM PDT
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Even Rasheed's title is tarnished
The Pistons didn’t win that series so much as the Lakers lost it, with Kobe sulking about Shaq being The Man and Shaq ticked off at Kobe. It irks me that Rasheed nonetheless has a ring that he loves to flash whenever he plays the Blazers in Portland. That’s why, whenever I think of Rasheed, folks who know me call me Irkle. At least, I think that’s the reason…
Zach better than Rasheed? Some games maybe, but who would you rather have on your team? Rasheed’s teammates have always loved him, and he has always been a solid second-tier player. Too bad he couldn’t have had someone like Brandon Roy to play with in Portland.
If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball.
-- Phil Jackson
by MiledAnimal on Jun 2, 2008 9:42 AM PDT 0 recs
Sheed is what we wanted...
He doesn’t sugar coat anything. He is who he is. MJ only wanted us to see the good things – the gambling, cheating, and drugs MJ did he tried to cover up and keep on the down low. Kobe and others work very hard to try to keep their images clean, despite their weaknesses. Sheed never did that, and when Canzano and others whine about why athletes are too afraid to show their true colors, and then they do nothing but rip on Sheed’s behavior, they are being hypocrites.
by Benjow on Jun 2, 2008 9:43 AM PDT 0 recs
I think you forgot part of a sentence
Whatever else you think of him, the guy could play.
should read
Whatever else you think of him, the guy could play, when he wanted to.
by grimc on Jun 2, 2008 10:02 AM PDT 1 recs
ZBO and Sheed..
Without a doubt sheed is better than zbo. Everyone likes a big man who can shoot, that has flare and vivid temper, and despite the whole showing his pistons championship ring to the portland crowd, he is always fun to watch. Sheed does make others around him better, that is why he hasn’t breached the 20 ppg mark. Take a look at the pistons this year, they had 4 players averaging over 12 ppg, but aside from that he is a great player, hardly turning it over, and playing solid defense. Some have said his defensive game is slowing down, but if you look at the numbers, he is still top ten for blocks, and top 40 for steals ahead of our very own BROY. (all numbers from this season) I am anxious to see the NBA Finals next year, Blazers v. Pistons. Enough said
by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Jun 2, 2008 10:34 AM PDT 0 recs
Sheed might have been better overall
because of his defense…
...but don’t say that he wanted to make others around him better and that is why he never breached 20 ppg. Sheed and Zach’s assist numbers are very comparable. The reason that Sheed hasn’t breached 20 ppg is because he isn’t as assertive as Zach offensively. It’s a liability, not an asset, to have a guy that passive. Zach actually passes the ball more than people think. And I am no Randolph fan, in the least. But let’s give him credit where it’s due. He’s way more effective offensively than Sheed ever was.
by jamon51 on
Jun 2, 2008 11:25 AM PDT
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It makes me laugh...
..................... how much vituperation many Portland fans pour upon Randolph and what a free pass is given to Hashweed.
Randolph played within himself, night in, night out. Wallace—you never know what you were getting, other than the fact that he’d throw up a few ill-advised long jumpers every night.
Wallace was a much better athlete but a worse player.
CTC, baby, CTC!!!
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"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on
Jun 2, 2008 11:35 AM PDT
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That is fair
you are right, i just think most people are selling sheed short. And am starting to agree with other commenters that sheed is selling himself short too. Still, i would take sheed over z bo anyday. Even if he is playing passive and waiting on the perimeter, at least he is spreading out the defense. I would take sheed in a one on one against z bo.
by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on
Jun 2, 2008 2:35 PM PDT
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Rasheed was like a woman
twirling to show some leg, beautiful and alluring and constantly teasing but never putting out. He so often flashed his dominance and so often withdrew when we really needed him. Never dominating even lesser players at the worst moments when needed.
I think for Rasheed it was/is a personal insecurity problem. He is very intelligent and hates hypocrisy, which he saw at every turn. His memorable soliloquy, calling out the league, has awoken many and yet his own play is a hypocrisy in that he seems to play for CTC and not for the love of the game or the competitive fires within. I am sorry to say but Rasheed is a prime candidate for after-league troubles. His temper and tantrums will not be tolorated in society and without basketball he may look for an outlet to vent that inner rage.
All that said I liked the guy until he aimed to hurt Ruben Boumtje Boumtje. That is the ugly side that incident made me want to back away and have no more to do with him.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Jun 2, 2008 11:26 AM PDT 2 recs
I just recommended your post...
“Rasheed was like a woman twirling to show some leg, beautiful and alluring and constantly teasing but never putting out.”
I just plain love this comment!
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!
by LaMarvelous on
Jun 2, 2008 12:34 PM PDT
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Wow. I had forgotten Rasheed beaning Ruben Boumtje Boumtje.
I guess I thought the towel in Sabonis’s face was so egregious that it drove that incident out of my mind, until now. Ugly indeed.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on
Jun 2, 2008 5:28 PM PDT
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(OT) only you'd understand
oh yea, your post was spot on again. so today I stop for lunch at local S-town deli and some guy says somebody just lifted something out of my vehicle… so the blankety blank blankety blank blank blank hooked all my fishing gear which I had in a tool bag. That punk swiped all my tackle including my fly box.
i am still thankful I can come home and get the Bedge and … stuff.
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by bow4meow on
Jun 2, 2008 5:47 PM PDT
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Hmmmm? I'm sorry someone stole your fishing gear. People can put a lot of time and work
into tying or collecting flies and they can be very beautiful. Too bad to lose that.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on
Jun 2, 2008 6:55 PM PDT
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the towel
I gave up on him when he threw the towel at Sabonis in the huddle. Unbelievable.
by bartender77 on Jun 2, 2008 12:55 PM PDT 0 recs
Same here
It was the equivalent of Zach going to a strip club while away from the team on bereavement leave. What classless, idiotic moves by both of those guys.
by lyleleander on
Jun 2, 2008 3:43 PM PDT
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Yep, me too
I was a Sheed fan until that day. It’s sad because he’s always done a lot in the community and seems to have a big heart.
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by iDea on
Jun 4, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
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The "Towel",BTPH & the Yellow Hummer !
Sheed has to be one of my favorite Blazers of all
time, but the Towel to Sabas was the first time I really
saw him get into a teamate. I always hated his constant
beefs with the refs, but felt that he respected other players,
especially his own players. As a long time athlete and
coach, nothing in my opinion is worse than showing up
your teamates/coaches.
Sheed’s major triumphs came from his well rounded
coaching, which taught him that beautiful “Top of the reach”
jumper, ball movement and superior defense. In his
early years, he frustrated me with his reluctance to be more
aggressive with his shot & rebounding. That being said he
proved game after game to have a wonderful grasp of
team and a developing ability to move his game away
from the basket. With the rivalry developing with the L@%^&s,
we saw him develop that low post turnaround game to answer
Shaq’s power game. Was anything more beautiful than watching
Sheed turn on the low post for the fade away bank shot, then
post again to hit the rolling left handed hook. Amazing. He kept
us in most of those playoff games because nobody could stop
him. He even took his turn guarding Shaq and played him
as well as could be done. Million dollar player, One nickel
attitude. Oh, what could have been.
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Jun 2, 2008 1:52 PM PDT 0 recs
I heard
Sheed is behind the whole Comcast debacle.
Life is like a cherry tomato; it tastes like chicken.
by tominhawaii on
Jun 2, 2008 3:27 PM PDT
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but the Towel to Sabas was the first time I really
saw him get into a teamate.
And let’s not forget the story Jason Quick recounted, of him throwing a basketball
right into Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje’s nuts during practice, seeing him fall down in
pain, and laughing at him with Bonzi Wells.
You wanna talk about revealing your true character.
by lyleleander on
Jun 2, 2008 3:45 PM PDT
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Fannation starting Trade Sheed speculation
http://fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/52474
The first three fan comments on that page are hilarious.
If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball. --Phil Jackson
If you meet Greg Oden in the lane, drop the ball and run. --MiledAnimal
by MiledAnimal on Jun 2, 2008 2:27 PM PDT 0 recs
this one is scary
“The LAKERS will trade Mihms for Wallace, straight up.” by Jabril1217
If Sheed replaced Odom, they would be so freaking good.
Life is like a cherry tomato; it tastes like chicken.
by tominhawaii on
Jun 2, 2008 3:29 PM PDT
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Sheed replacing odom
this would be bad, the lakers already have shooters, and gasol can shoot decent too, they need someone like odom who needs to be closer to the basket to crash the boards. Besides, odom is really good for a big guy, handles the ball well. Hard to come by
by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on
Jun 2, 2008 3:40 PM PDT
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This one was my fav
“When he is focus he is a monster. I don’t think the Pistons use him on the blocks enough.”
I am quite sure the Pistons have told him to get his butt down on the block, but alas he continues to loiter out at the 3 pt line
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by 92wastheyear on
Jun 2, 2008 6:41 PM PDT
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My Sheed memory...
I went to my first game on November 26, 1999. That was the first game Pip played against the Rockets after leaving them. Two Sheed images remain with me. The first was Sheed putting his hand between two Rockets’ hands as they attempted a high-five. The second came in overtime when Steve Francis stepped to the foul line. Charles Barkley came over to talk in the rookie’s ear. Sheed mirrored the gesture by talking in his other ear until Chuck shoved him.
Sheed was certainly unique.
by lama on Jun 2, 2008 4:59 PM PDT 0 recs















